diana_coman: another can of worms
mp_en_viaje: there ~is~ a way to accept posting via email, however, if that floats your boat.
mp_en_viaje: (this is universal problem of http "login", hence the "push to 2fa" and other such bs "security" theatre)
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 19:26 diana_coman: hm, does anyone around here know a good way to allow WP logins for non-admin users from any IP while still keeping the admin restricted sanely?
diana_coman: I guess I'm doomed to do it first manually and then cook up an automation of *that* process
diana_coman: that's the thing: that after logging in, they need access t wp-admin which is iffy to give because again, same trouble; and yes, ofc wp has roles and I wanted to use them but that's not enough
BingoBoingo: Well, mp-wp also has all of the dashboard including living in /wp-admin as well including the page for making posts.
diana_coman: though logically speaking the solution would be to automate *that* part, hm
diana_coman: hm, I suppose it should be possible to just make a different login page in the root dir but then they'd need at least another page to actually submit the text too and it all circles back to similar "offer the piece there"
diana_coman: I wanted a less hands-on approach, since I'm planning to run a class there, not holding their hand at such level
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm describing the way Qntra does it. Submitter offers their piece over p.bvulpes and Editor logs into the wordpress to publish and attach the byline.
diana_coman: hm, does anyone around here know a good way to allow WP logins for non-admin users from any IP while still keeping the admin restricted sanely?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 09:58 mp_en_viaje: because yes, the fucktards broke the eulora build chain like 3 times to date.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923968 << this was exactly my experience as well. "motherfucker, each time I pin another frog leg down, it grows three more"
asciilifeform: lulzily, orig. text was maybe 3 para; what got shat out by the end is some 100kB, reads like usg penal code.
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform can burn in the higher temperature circle of hell, where ken thompson is!1
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform goes to snailmail box and in it, a spam, 'buy gold-plated plaque of yer patent!'. a:'wtf' , goes an' loox, sure enuff, there is one, d00d who ran (long-defunkt) salt mine where asciilifeform was conscripted to write one, apparently kept payin', and so got shat out.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: left a comment with a solution to the selection inside of links issue. apologies for the multiple copies, it took a few tries for me to get the formatting right
asciilifeform: well iirc he was headed to visit mp_en_viaje other day
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 19:57 mp_en_viaje: do you recall that arguably famous-er pic of the guy on the er table with hips turning cyanotic hugging a telephone pole up his ass ?
asciilifeform: tangentially, what's http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=Phf&e=tree#select about ?
scriba: Logged on 2017-04-27: [02:14:22] * mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 15:05 mircea_popescu: i guess i reconstructed the http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170427/from:34/to:46#34 format on the basis of logs.
mp_en_viaje: as to the multiline thing, i recall my trying to spec a multi-line selector with framedragger just prior his disappearance. iirc he got it working, maybe lift that ?
asciilifeform: well my current one (linked above, cribbed from gnat built-in htmlizer) dun even put anchors on the individual lines, atm can only link subroutines
mp_en_viaje: i daresay that when it comes to code, lines written in such a way that line count index is insufficient and one benefits from in-line linking as with the javascript is ~therefore~ broken
mp_en_viaje: imho in a piece like that the correct approach would be the same as we do for logs : have the line numbers hyperlinked.
asciilifeform: from my reading of item 3 , 'The disadvantage of span is that, being an inline element, it will not cross paragraphs (or <li> borders for that matter)'
asciilifeform: doesn't it mutilate the text ?
mp_en_viaje: can use div if you''d rather, that'll go.
asciilifeform: aaa ok nao they all work.
mp_en_viaje: try the link in the very article, following http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=interests,&e=,%20it#select ; and the one it links to ( http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/?b=The%20alpha&e=The%20female#select ) on the republican thesaurus page, as cannonical examples
asciilifeform: hm http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/?b=manalone&e=y#select appears to work..
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that item is actually discussed as such in the comments (under "operator error"). but yes.
asciilifeform: 'Inca under the color of delivering your own interests, it one&e=y#select>separates youi even as it seems to feed you.' and uncoloured
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-130031 << and try nao.
asciilifeform: (left comment earlier, apol. for the duplication)
mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-advancing-paternal-age-and-bipolar-disorder-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Advancing Paternal Age And Bipolar Disorder. Adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-diagnosis-of-schizophrenia-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia. Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 01:57 asciilifeform: iirc at one time mp suggested this, 'there oughta be ONE genesis'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923925 << there absolutely ought to. in the general. it's not clear to me this is also mandatory ~on every system~. basically a "light node" debate is upon us.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 03:59 mircea_popescu: the name for software that changes with the user's pubic hairdo fashions is USERLAND. why the fuck am i... o look at that, there's 1.9 GB to download! the OS!!!! is two gigs.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923917 << there was also a s.mg attempt where diana_coman tried to preserve all linux (in the manner of trb, naive speccing at the time). also fucking died, over explodig complexity (basically, there's no way to control for repetition, end up having to store GB-size^2)
ave1: Ah, I see (I always hate this missing dates on other blog and I had noticed).
mp_en_viaje: ave1, tjhe fact your blog doesn't have a datestamp under the title makes working with articles like this one harder than it needs to be.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923917 << i do not see that any of this was avoidable, or is useless. i think mostly you just got pissed off upon discovering there's a redoubt behind the redoubt, "motherfucker, there's not a full strength regiment behind these three surviving dudes" be
mp_en_viaje: something that takes the filter of "i want trb, eulora but not blogotron" our of the long list of all things available and creates a local-tree out of the world tree, just for you. which is STILL a complete tree, and presses and string of vpatches and all ; but it is merely an aspect of the omnitree.
mp_en_viaje: ie, the problem here in correct abstraction would be that trinque worked on the "phantom' tree (how to go from ONE TRUE ROOT -> ALL THINGS) whereas everyone else started on real tree of ALL THINGS, and well, there's a disconnect there.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 00:24 asciilifeform: if can solve this cleanly, can then be rid of portage, even, in principle
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923909 << likely end up either re-using or re-implementing it ; hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923650
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 00:21 asciilifeform: there's no fucking point to that, if we keep genesis of orig
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923902 << this is true, but i rather like the - + explicit format.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 00:18 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923622 << the whole rest of history then requires this multi-gb genesis long after the resultant item has been carved to however many mb
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923892 << so it does ; because yes, patches are additive, even the "substracting" ones.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923886 >> the warning being, "this shit is not seaworthy, take it to bed" ?
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/096-hunchentoot-ii.html << The Tar Pit -- Notes on Hunchentoot architecture
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ << Trilema -- Proper html linking : the crisis, the solution, the resolution & conclusion
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 20:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so your idea is, recursive search ? user selects "duck" in abcduckefg, the script tries "c" sees if unique, if yes uses, if not tries bc, if unique uses if not abc etc ?
billymg: i.e. to make a new shareable selection, user selects text, js constructs url with appropriate ?start=x&end=y for server to return content with highlight wrapped in <span> ...but if DOM varies then these values will be different depending on the browser making the request
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 20:07 mp_en_viaje: selection thing works by counting dom elements, and, guess the fuck what, different browsers build the thing differently, resulting in different counts.
billymg: but the part i don't understand is how you get around http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923759 even with server side url variables
billymg: then js can additionally do the selection thing (now trivial, because wrapped in <span>), or the text is simply "highlighted" with css (though not actually selected)
billymg: the way i understand it, client makes a request to url?start=5&end=7, server pulls content from mysql and returns with <span class="highlight"></span> injected where start/end indicate
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923822 << why is the #selection piece necessary for the server side version of this?
asciilifeform: mipsism is a half-solution, of sorts, in that can build a mipsistic gnat and then will execute anywhere you can port the 12kB emu to
trinque: I'd be surprised if that stone doesn't haul in all the rest
asciilifeform: iirc at one time mp suggested this, 'there oughta be ONE genesis'
asciilifeform: trinque: the obv. toothbreaking stone is gnat.
asciilifeform: trinque: thinking about it, 1 possible answer to the puzzler is to make an entire orchestra as 1 vtree.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: is actually all i got atm in the mips thing -- busybox
trinque: might as well say what I'm doing with my time lately, which is related. I'm horking down bitcoins by the $10k, what
trinque: asciilifeform: the point being yes, we can be rid of portage, but where are the steps between there and here.
trinque: see, I'm this perverse fellow that knows the scripture even.
trinque: this I think correctly runs afoul of mp_en_viaje's "there is only one fucking tree, and it does not loop"
asciilifeform: if can solve this cleanly, can then be rid of portage, even, in principle
asciilifeform: imho this is the real open q in the thread -- how to represent relation b/w nominally separate proggies
asciilifeform: there's no fucking point to that, if we keep genesis of orig
asciilifeform: nao what i'd really like is to ditch the idjit unixdiff's reversible deletions
asciilifeform: it's the same thing, imho, the cost of being able to trace the history to birth of universe, is having to keep it around
asciilifeform: i meant the blox, trinque
trinque: asciilifeform: the vtree for bitcoin is not and never will be 300gb
trinque: rather than having a perforation point which can be torn off, preserving the references for whichever historian that cared, but *not importing the shitwad into the future indefinitely* was the point
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:52 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923552 << exactly. it is marginally better than merely dropping portage on their head ; and it is ideologically defensible because guess what, if they don't like the genesis they don;t have to either patch on it or press it.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923622 << the whole rest of history then requires this multi-gb genesis long after the resultant item has been carved to however many mb
trinque: and I don't fault mp_en_viaje his ideological rigor. not in the slightest.
asciilifeform: i.e. it's a theoretical (if somewhat burning) q, rather than 'ohnoez, trinque Did It All Wrong'
trinque: at any rate no, I'm not doing a man-month of rework on the thing any time soon. not standing in the way of anyone else doing it either.
trinque: I started from an item that was 900mb and that was just the ebuild tree.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923536 << yes, and "cuntoo" would've contained it if I took the wad-of-shit-in-genesis approach.
asciilifeform: 'new shithouse will be built from bricks of the one we blew up'(tm)(r)(lenin)
mp_en_viaje: now ima tell someone "look what weird shit we found, USE IT" and they won't dare say "why"
mp_en_viaje: tjhis, incidentally, is EXACTLY how tower of shit was even built in the first palce
asciilifeform: ah so if the page renderer asks for url, it dun see foo, bar ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, admire the weird : http://trilema.com/2016/44/pili and trilema.com/2016/44/32/21/11/pili/ respecrtively
asciilifeform: e.g. trilema.com/rubber/ducky/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/
mp_en_viaje: eg, trilema has implicit search, if you type in trilema.com/pus you instaget http://trilema.com/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/
mp_en_viaje: in theory you could possibly htccess script-fu something like domain/a/b/c into domain?q=a&w=b&e=c ; HOWEVER, the problem is the domain space is currently narrow.
mp_en_viaje: as things stand, the ~only~ way to have user think url is "trilema/pili" while url really is trilema?p=65 or w/e it truly is, is via htaccess, which is like javascript written by monkeys in 1980
mp_en_viaje: i mean obviously one could modify apache to be less fucked in the head, but ...
mp_en_viaje: the ~only~ way to have that indirection layer, is to use htaccess
mp_en_viaje: well, here's the thing -- IF you move the "extract data from uri" into php, you lose... url replacement.
asciilifeform: the proposed format aint mathematically ambiguous, i can write it as regexp say. but whothefuckknows what the programmatic liquishit getting in the way might be.
asciilifeform does not know how, exactly, so will have to leave it there
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly they dunwork ~now~ , but could be made ?
mp_en_viaje: so does http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441222/ ; however neither http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441/222/ nor http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441-222/ work
mp_en_viaje: consider some simple examples : http://trilema.com/pili works, takes one to http://trilema.com/2016/pili/ which is the cannonical form. http://trilema.com/pil also works
mp_en_viaje: afaik the name's hacked into an article via htaccess, which is yet another pointless and poorly specified scripting lang atop the shit tower
asciilifeform: why would it matter what's after the 2nd / ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why's that ? name is what's b/w the 1st 2 / , neh ?
diana_coman gave all computers around work to do for the next hours so she goes happily to sleep.
asciilifeform: ( down side -- would need the backend to search with ignoring of spaces, commas, etc )
asciilifeform: upstack: imho best form would be 100% plaintext, sumthing like trilema.com/article-title/rubber/ducky/ . then! can also ~select~ by hand crank, without jsism, if want , on box w/out jsism
mp_en_viaje: nfi either, but we find out soonish
asciilifeform: the thing already cuts into /-separated chunks, tho, neh.
asciilifeform has nfi whether this is trivial to implement , or headache
mp_en_viaje: and there's also no way to have trilema.com/article-title/?start=5&end=7#selection
mp_en_viaje: the internal representation.
asciilifeform: or is this in re the internal representation
mp_en_viaje: in continuing sads : /me attempted to spec the server side php job ; and it can be done, roughly, there exist primitives for, eg, "insert this after nth word and that after mth word". however : a) this interferes with the footnotes, because footnotes exist as z (( b)) and not as displayed on page ; and b) there's no good way to # and ? at the same time because of the way trilema handles title-urls.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 02:30 asciilifeform: aaand their reply .
asciilifeform: all of this may or may not be worth the effort. but perhaps worth to try.
asciilifeform: ( would do roughly same thing as presently, but munge the url in browser so when loaded, gives server-end selectified copy )
asciilifeform: and correct, if server-end munge, you dun need the displayer js at all
mp_en_viaje: the dom construction / abomination varies, but my articles are still mysql fields, unchanged
mp_en_viaje: local "select" behaviour is always defined, but afaik there's no exposed "make it look selected" call
asciilifeform: idea is, selector knows what the selection is, when it is made, ~that~ part worx errywhere
asciilifeform: ( after google bought opera & buried in cement, became 'de facto standard' microshit-style. nao behaves 100% like 1990s microshit, does whateverthefuck it wants )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so your idea is, recursive search ? user selects "duck" in abcduckefg, the script tries "c" sees if unique, if yes uses, if not tries bc, if unique uses if not abc etc ?
mp_en_viaje: this completely the fuck fucked me over thoyugh, 100+ links, hand picked all, now useless.
mp_en_viaje: what if i want to select the third duck in duckduckduck ?
asciilifeform: when i was sawing the thing apart , thought 'why not make selector search for start/end chars until finds unique, then sel displayer ditto' but did not get to trying this
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck am i going to do
mp_en_viaje: selection thing works by counting dom elements, and, guess the fuck what, different browsers build the thing differently, resulting in different counts.
mp_en_viaje: the fucking cuntheaded imbecile anti fucking human MORONS made it so you can't, actually, have in-page reference that works reliably.
mp_en_viaje: do you recall that arguably famous-er pic of the guy on the er table with hips turning cyanotic hugging a telephone pole up his ass ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 23:20 asciilifeform: grr i was gonna add that famous lathe meat-wind pic to this thread, but cannot nao find.
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, rotten.com is gone ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:43 ben_vulpes: and so the girlies shack up with other girlies, the boys retire to secular onasteries, and they all think it precisely tits.
asciilifeform: ( i dun think the particulars were ever detailed , but evidently salt mine that dun leave much juice left when whistle blows in evening )
mp_en_viaje: well, the reason i don't really know what's going on would be that... never said.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923618 << if i recall, they're sitting in same common grave / salt mine in tx somewhere, atm
asciilifeform: i usually end up searching for what the folx who were 'at home' had said in $thread .
asciilifeform: ( it was only then that even devised the algo, during thread w/ mp_en_viaje re 'trbi' )
asciilifeform: ( the O(1) tx store . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: frustratingly, i have the 'trbfs'. but grrrr gnat bugola
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:34 asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
asciilifeform: castro's payment for the rockets.
asciilifeform: apparently in su they were sold at one time errywhere, but sat on shelves, ~no one wanted, no one knew how to smoke'em properly
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha, i have a bunch of them ~same reason
asciilifeform: ( complete with 'danish butt', laugh if you will. i no longer eat'em, but gotta keep the screws, 74xxx, rejected FG components, ..., ..., somewhere! )
mp_en_viaje: the dom is not stable enough to have meaningful count!
mp_en_viaje: wh ythe fuck are our selections different ?!
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: this kinda thing aint a point of pride for asciilifeform , would rather sit in well-tidied workbench. but in fuckholeistan where real estate costs like on space station -- even commercial labs look same.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923572 << dood, nevermind the "yesterday" and dramatis persona generally. last i saw stuff from you it was A DIFFERENT YEAR. what yesterday ?
asciilifeform: there's a scene in 1 of mp_en_viaje's fictions where almost literally depicts asciilifeform's torture room
asciilifeform: guest: 'is that.. bear trap?!' a:'what's the problem'
asciilifeform: me neither
mp_en_viaje: good for them ; but i don't.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 15:18 mp_en_viaje: there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923635 << funnily enuff , asciilifeform's parents have 1 of these, lol
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04 trinque: but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923569 << ruins nothing, add it as a comment file "here's your blueprint". gets the incalculable benefit of proper tooling, can now reference meaningfully.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 12:25 asciilifeform: the incident where i glued together rk pilot plant, to only ~then~ find out that nobody knows when the fuck proper gnat will actually build arm binaries w/ working threading, was instructive.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
mp_en_viaje: was multi pronged, there's me having meltdowns over eulora not compiling either, and so on.
asciilifeform: then 'ada renaissance' and suddenly 'hey gnat dunwork' and so on
mp_en_viaje: at the time there wasn't the need. notice how all the destructoforks happened just about the time we announced v.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:57 mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923625 << was a sort of cheat tho, the genesis did not actually include bdb etc ~textually~ . so maintained illusion of 'trb is this 300kB of shitoshi'
mp_en_viaje: supposedly there's always to whom. but ... in practice...
mp_en_viaje: that, incidentally, is the worst stone to swallow, for me. say what i might about "oh, symbolics/whatever people were idiots", sure, why not. but these guys, they FUCKING TRIED getting math torch passed. and i know of no way it could've been done better.
mp_en_viaje: the gardner set's pretty much gone
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, Berlekamp bit it back in april apparently.
asciilifeform: ( for folx innocent of classical gentooism -- the main function of 'portage' is to walk dependency chain ~between proggies~ and build'em in correct order. )
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, part of the problem of this is that until we see it we haven't seen it.
asciilifeform: if accept '100MB genesis' , then most of 'portage' is actually redundant, and as i understand whole thing can be replaced with a slightly mechanized vtron
asciilifeform: at one pt i thought same re asciilifeform vs. trb . ( then mp_en_viaje unwedged me , he had bdb notes , '14 )
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:13 diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923610 << i admit even considered possibility that the orig gentoo is heavy enuff and fulla stones and trinque broke teeth trying to eat. but cannot say definitively .
mp_en_viaje: there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: i can see his pov too, the only problem is that he picks some utterly terrible approaches.
asciilifeform sees trinque's pov, many times was wedged on a problem where 'i have 95% of solution but for the remaining 5 -- ugliest turd ever seen' . but must agree with mp_en_viaje -- you can't get orig text from a hash, and can't vpatch if you aint got orig
mp_en_viaje: ego bricks around the house. this doesn't make them some kind of magic gurus, nor does it make your own understanding of the systems and processes involved somehow inconsequential. why does it constantly have to come back to this purely psychogenic, oh, nobody reads, oh, nobody can sit down a kernel, whatever the hell ? it's just not a way to go about things, nobody's achievement is diminishing your own nor does your achievement necessarily require
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << you keep struggling with this issue, and it's unseemly. looky, you didn't invent computers. you weren't there when ken thompson shocked himself on the pdp or when richie papercut himself with the unix manual or when etcetera. you're fifth generation, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. plenty of people hacked away at linux or at unix or at whatever the fuck else back when you were installing l
mp_en_viaje: ast-er, and nobody stores it all, quite deliberately, because everyone fucking hates it, not loves it like they love bitcoin.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923558 << hash reference is useless for this purpose, because of the very meaning of a hash -- you can't get the hashed source back out of it. the hash worked well enough for trb because ~everyone has ~all versions and so it's a narrow and well documented domain. the hash will not work (and, experimentally, in plenty of cases you weren't involved with, failed to work, because the domain is 2+ degrees of magnitude v
mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
mp_en_viaje: all discussion to shock and surprise aside, this is the fuck exactly how trb genesis happened, too. nobody wrote a good one, just picked an actual one and genesis'd that.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:58 trinque: mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into the genesis for our children to swim in
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923552 << exactly. it is marginally better than merely dropping portage on their head ; and it is ideologically defensible because guess what, if they don't like the genesis they don;t have to either patch on it or press it.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:45 mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j
mp_en_viaje: there's approximately 0 need of telling what work, and immense need of the actual work. if you'd like to shine, shine that way ; you can start for instance with a http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/#selection-11.0-23.54 ,to cover the seven month old http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 22:25 trinque: diana_coman: congrats. the next step would be to produce a vpatch which adds your curl ebuild atop the genesis.vpatch the bootstrapper produced.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923543 << aside from the apparent divergence as to what means what / what is implied by what / etcetera, you seem to be developing a more biting divergence in thsi signalling thing. i let pass http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922463 in silence, but apparently it wasnt such a wise course. what do you mean, exactly, "i told you what work" ? it's not apparent that's a priviledged function for some reason, you can't
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:51 trinque: my intent here was to have the vtree read as a history of the items as they have been understood, not as "here's the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923535 << well, i dunno, be specific as to where ? there's whole discussions as to how "make diff keys if you must", for instance.
diana_coman: fwiw, taking the above view, I can fully see his despair at "but why don't you have the sources in there?" ; the only puzzler is how exactly does he see the above as more practical and pragmatic than the plain "this wad of shit is what cuntoo is atm, worms and mud and all"
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11 trinque: yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:52 trinque: we agree the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree that gb genesis is the move
asciilifeform: ( imho 'makesnap' oughta also be considered, but admittedly may be of 'niche' interest )
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : hey mod6 , did 'who-gave' ever make it into flagship vtree ? ( i dun see it there ... )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << not sure i'd even include self in this number, of yet. ported kernel to 'machine' that never before existed ( the 'cpu' is mips1, but the 'periphs' naturally correspond to no physically existing irons, of yet.. ) and this was entirely new puzzler to asciilifeform ; but not yet ported trinque's userland, and of yet nfi where to begin there
asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
asciilifeform: thing is, trb is imho mature in re 'knobs' , the time nao is to ~cut~, slice an' dice an' replace with adaistic prosthetics
asciilifeform: and prolly i missed a few by other folx (e.g. mod6 had at least 1 in recent 2y)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:11 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 01:47 asciilifeform: meanwhile: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 20:42 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:50 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04 trinque: but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world
diana_coman: trinque: ftr there is no talk whatsoever of trashing the item you made, no idea where that came from
asciilifeform: trinque: sure. but you can't have vpatch w/out a genesis that actually puts the original on the machine, or what am i missing
trinque: asciilifeform: I really don't care what the perfectly preserved historic curl was, so long as the revised item passed through a single human head in my wot
asciilifeform: in fact, recall how trb 'chicken' genesis was a hand-cranked recipe, cuz had to delete binary gif turds etc and vtron of the time could not autodigest such deletion
trinque: I mean, if it's what's wanted, somebody else step up, and I'll trash the item I made.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje evidently also had nfi how, and so prescribed 'genesis the GB of shite'
diana_coman: as I get it, you want genesis to be only something-perfectly-understood; that is the perfection that is not possible and that nobody is asking for
asciilifeform: trinque: the root of problem is how to do the GB-of-shit to kB-of-food conversion w/out genesising the shit
diana_coman: and precisely what you are throwing back that "oh, but you want the shit in the genesis,no!"
diana_coman: the "perfectly" is your addition
trinque: from there, yeah, learn about curl