mod6: Getting a way from bdb will be a huge long term scalability effort. And we've had some very interesting ideas suggested for replacement. So I think that'll be a whole part of the Ideal Bitcoin probably. Right now, tickets 6, 7, and 8 are on a disconnected graph, but could be easily joined to the greater "Ideal" effort.
shinohai thinks it is nice to finally read a Bitcoin development conversation that doesn't include the term `Segwit`
mod6: helping you (among many other end users), have a better/easier time with the wallet is a huge win.
mod6: *nod* it's on the short list for sure.
mod6: It'll be a challenge, but good for all in the end.
mod6: In all reality, now that we've gotten through the immediate build issues, now the real hard work begins.
mod6: Another long term goal is to possibly get some more unit tests written for trb. Might not even need to be something in the perm source base, but something as an overlay to give us confidence when we make critical changes down the road.
mod6: So right now, the import/dump priv key is being reviewed/reground/updated/tested. Next, I'd say we take a hard look at maybe the rawtx one, or maybe even some of the log cleanup ones? There were a whole bunch submitted by polar_beard.
mod6: I suspect the long term plan will come into better focus as we start to dig into some of these short term ones though.
mod6: Well, short term, I think the current goal is to get through some of these vpatch submissions as we said we would. Hopefully get through a bunch by year end. (Jan 8th) However, the longer term goal is to work on Ideal bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: what's the longer term plan, gonna try and tackle wallets ? dbs ? stick to general cleaning bit by bit ?
mod6: Perhaps you can see if there was an error. I didn't get a bounce message, yet. Will let you know if I see anything on my end.
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !~later tell jurov I tried to send the State of Bitcoin Address email to the ML, which deeded just fine right now, but nothing seems to have shown up in the ML archives yet.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:48 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560716 < it may be that CLIM itself sucks -- but the implementation is 100% common lisp and is easy enough to mechanically alter if you have problems with it. Should tmsr~ decide to strip whatever features from CLIM and alter the spec, at least we have a codebase and spec to argue about and something working to us
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:40 phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560997 << this is exactly how it goes, on one end of that : everyone has his own boxes / his own process for acquiring boxes. you can't buy them boxes and mail them over, not really, and if you could it'd be a specialized job and wouldn't work like this. and this isn't even the only angle, people are also variously allergic to divers proteins involved etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:32 gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm just selling them by hand at the moment in the bay area (going to google for a scheme meetup to hawk product here in ~.5 hrs)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560978 << this is pretty fucking rad... homeless dude stalks wizards on google to sell them his handmade msdos.
mircea_popescu: ie very patient tech support for people who have no business touching tech in the first place.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you know where there's the src and everyone sane can ftjam it into a working binary within 20 minutes except you still get o spend your life telling people things ?
mircea_popescu: i think it's a very bad idea to misrepresent this (here) as "selling the box" because it'll cause you nothing but frictive grief.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:34 gabriel_laddel: I've been charging $200 on top of the price of hardware, but as of today (and an extended navigator that indexes all symbols and their types) - 300
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:30 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560469 < would you mind reviewing arsttep? I'm shipping it with each machine as part of the manual and would like for others to be able to understand it.
BingoBoingo: *Destro << ben_vulpes stahp using their vocabulary.
ben_vulpes: the distro looms
trinque: fwiw ben_vulpes already had a cl-V in the works
gabriel_laddel: Noted. When I get a chance I will look into V. This means _after_ the world replication works. Which, for whatever reason, produces a linux kernel that kernel panics on startup.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:48 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560716 < it may be that CLIM itself sucks -- but the implementation is 100% common lisp and is easy enough to mechanically alter if you have problems with it. Should tmsr~ decide to strip whatever features from CLIM and alter the spec, at least we have a codebase and spec to argue about and something working to us
trinque: you observed certain cultural hazards inherent in the way shithub works
trinque: the same was contemplated for trb; it doesn't rule out use of V
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:14 trinque: I'm irritated he didn't genesis v-patch the thing
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560799 < the only way to distribute CLIM using CL codebases IMHO is as a "world" that is a livecd + the ability to install itself on another x86_64 machine, with all the sources.
gabriel_laddel: have you seen the *new* *improved* defsystem layout yet?
trinque: had brand new mcclim on another dev machine
trinque: points to the alert reader who understands why this took so long to notice
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:12 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560409 << guy looks like he's still trying to scrape credits out of the empire
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560792 < ben_vulpes sorry what? I didn't post that in here because it was strictly for defunding the McCLIM idiots.
trinque: it turned out that I was using some ancient mcclim from a copy of their old CVS on a particular dev machine
gabriel_laddel: e in the interim.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560716 < it may be that CLIM itself sucks -- but the implementation is 100% common lisp and is easy enough to mechanically alter if you have problems with it. Should tmsr~ decide to strip whatever features from CLIM and alter the spec, at least we have a codebase and spec to argue about and something working to us
gabriel_laddel: Since then all he has done is play around with fonts to try and make them "cross platform" or something.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up.
trinque: not like I don't want the source, but you understand my meaning
trinque: and the "free" can be an excuse to not produce a complete tool
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 02:50 asciilifeform: where is the mega-profit he boasted of having from his worx ??
phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware
gabriel_laddel: The inspector needs to have Isearch across all inspected objects, the graph walking facility needs to be integrated into the GUI..
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm working on completing the whole CLIM environment, but am not there yet. Still have to tie all the new logic for reflective search for generic functions specialized on arbitrary types, lambda lists of length, and return values of type to the navigator.
trinque: and more than you said there
gabriel_laddel: translates js to parenscript and parenscript to js, integrated with the conkeror web browser (has same keybindings as emacs)
gabriel_laddel: trinque: as for what is included: McCLIM integrated with: macsyma, femlisp, MJRCALC, a manual, nope.js and more-or-less broken prototypes of everything else on the splash screen screenshot.
gabriel_laddel: I've been charging $200 on top of the price of hardware, but as of today (and an extended navigator that indexes all symbols and their types) - 300
trinque: that "free" can run counter to the "life is less shit"
gabriel_laddel: When my life is less shit I'll be setting up a method by which in-WOT people can get it for free. You all, of course, will be able to sell the same product I am.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm just selling them by hand at the moment in the bay area (going to google for a scheme meetup to hawk product here in ~.5 hrs)
trinque: where are they going to be sold, what's included, how much?
phf: oh i guess you pulled all the masamune material on account of selling it? i remember there was a bunch of dedicated content, that's no longer there (arsstep being one of them)
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 04:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, the linked github is like the first laddel piece over a few dozen words that nevertheless made sense from end to end.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560469 < would you mind reviewing arsttep? I'm shipping it with each machine as part of the manual and would like for others to be able to understand it.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 03:33 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560415 << lol, I'm under the impression that gabriel_laddel trolls logs for highlights with a script, or would've provided better context
asciilifeform: none of this 'there are 203 updates ready to install' lunacy.
asciilifeform: want new kernel ? pull out this here thing an' stuff in this here other.
asciilifeform: but my objection is to the ~principle~ of the thing, 'what the FUCK are you doing for three whole minutes that msdos didn't need to do, and IT DIDN'T, you can't unhappen this'
asciilifeform: phf: l0l aha! somewhere in there is my 486...
phf: meanwhile at asciilifeform's original landing site, http://www.darkinthedark.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/spacewreck-DSCN7480.jpg
mircea_popescu: that was the lulz of all time with systemd coupla years ago, the "selling point" of "faster boot times. for servers."
asciilifeform: and my (few, and brief, admittedly) excursions into the code, did not end with walking away impressed with the workmanship or engineering quality of the edifice.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560716 << see also. when i hear 'delegates' i 'read for the luger'
trinque: "I am doing the smart thing by using Lisp; what blemishes?"
asciilifeform: i do not point finger at trinque , this is here for the record strictly.
asciilifeform: the 'new realities' can be taken to someone who cares, in any and all cases.
asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch.
asciilifeform: understand, i have nothing against proggies that are slow because they are overly ambitious, common lisp on 386, 'quake' on 486-dx2 (i played, 5 frame/sec, yes), etc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Naturally there is *no way* that this introduction of the "baked in" line's introduction could have been coordinated." < << ty fxd
trinque: to restate, and then I'm bored of this, getting no perceptable lag whatsoever between firing events to the event queue and seeing the screen redraw.
trinque: quote the line?
asciilifeform: aaaaha, lolk, it was what i read, what was actually there was proof of fermat's conjecture...
asciilifeform: the implicit claim was that i am somehow 'unreasonably' expecting realtime interaction with comp.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't actually know about that, i gotta try it myself now :) i think we might've both tried it around the same time
asciilifeform: and i will use the old reality.
jurov: would be completely sufficient to say the reality - new cars with turbocharger have second lag from gas pedal
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi, will have to try the new clim, won't i.
asciilifeform: because you KNOW that there used to be cars that did not roast balls, or emit phosgene into cabin.
asciilifeform: you ask, quite reasonably, why all of this is there.
asciilifeform: phf: picture if your car gives out, a decade from now, and you walk into a dealership, grudgingly buying new one. there, you learn that all new cars emit phosgene gas, some of which leaks into the cabin, and you gotta wear a mask. but this does not help against the microwaves that slowly roast yer balls, from the new type of waveguide transmission they use.
mircea_popescu: phf in my head, if the algo is correct but the problem too hard, then the problem is just too hard ; whereas if the algo is wrong for the problem, or badly implemented, then there's that. i suppose you could say "linear sort is dog slow", though.
mircea_popescu: i dun think that's the common meaning ; but if that's what you use, fair enuff.
phf: so depending on what sort of algorithms are used (i.e. knowing how mcclim works) a "get a faster machine" might be a valid response to "mcclim is slow", or it can be invalid, if, say, there's combinatorial exposition in the component interaction, or if there's a polynomial behavior in large text processing (those are two usual suspects)
asciilifeform: unless he is an expert and malicious liar, the game is won.
asciilifeform: the counter to 'i don't feel any delays' is to sit the 'not feeler' in front of wordperfect on msdos and watch his face as he says 'this dun feel any faster'
phf: mircea_popescu: dog slow is same as intractable but applied to system design, solution that theoretically works but in practice takes too long to be useful. depending on the kind of algorithms involved dog slow has different solutions, like if it's a linear algorithm, then you can solve dog slow with a faster machine, but if it's a polynomial complexity algorithm, then dog slow might be solved by putting constraints on inputs
mircea_popescu: my call times out, thereby let us point out to phf that what calling something a term of art means is that you have a ready and perfect definition of the term in the respective context. no exceptions.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:09 asciilifeform: if proggy's job is to let me fiddle something in real time, there must be 0 palpable delay. you would not put up with a light switch that takes random(5,10) seconds to light, and to switch off.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560787 << considering what passes for light fixtures these days, lol!
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Naturally there is *no way* that this introduction of the "baked in" line's introduction could have been coordinated." <
asciilifeform: who the hell knows, until at least one pwned chump digs up the backorifice and posts.
asciilifeform: and the roi, by any 'sane' measure, is 0.
asciilifeform: but the more likely thing is that the money was spent on mercedes and coke, and - they run win98, yes.
asciilifeform: the winblows vista - painted on, for show, for us rubes.
asciilifeform: aha some don't walk. there was a photo leaked of a radar base, where they had one of the few completed elbrus. in the corner desk there was what looked like winblows. nfi, could be hangout, perhaps the 'indigenous base' happened, strictly in ru meta-nsa.
asciilifeform: and that the elbrusistic 'we'll make indigenous base' thing never took off.
mircea_popescu: odds are teh usg wrote its own imaginary emails in an outlook server, if you mean the recent thing.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to see them lose something expensive, e.g., the intel/amd microcode booby.
mircea_popescu: the us does not have the intellectual capacity to develop new tools in general, and computing in particular. all they have is inherited, and everything they lose is irreplaceable.
asciilifeform: poor sods will have to go on spamforum and spend another hundy to buy new chumpnet.
mircea_popescu: what this has to do with their failure to obey the republic will, of course, never be documented.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the guy has it, the us lost air superiority sometime in 2010ish and lost cyber presence cca 2015. they're on par with serbia today.
mircea_popescu: "CIA is cyber B-Team, yes? Where is cyber A-Team?" << i lollered. where, they're gone, locked in alf's basement.
trinque: that one might have to do that for both cases in the future granted.
asciilifeform: they're running obummer's uci.
asciilifeform: ' @GCHQ @Belgacom TheShadowBrokers is making special effort not to using foul language, bigotry, or making any funny. Be seeing if NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX is making stories about now? Maybe political hacks is being more important? '
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:16 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ym9JT << in other lulz, this just in
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3cvre/?raw=true << for the lazy among us, list of pwned boxen from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560808 .
mircea_popescu: btw phf the definition of that dog slow term of art ?
mircea_popescu: they're not speaking english. like you know, most females that a) ever get fucked and b) someone'd ever contemplate fucking
mircea_popescu: and in other bake-ins, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdh16x6y5v1rdpwp1o1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 asciilifeform: '... just over a week before the presidential election, top Democrats are demanding that he level the playing field and disclose what the FBI knows about Republican nominee Donald Trump’s possible ties to the Russian government.'
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:43 asciilifeform: '“I would highly doubt that they’re armed,” he said, “that poses a greater threat. Normally, standard operating procedure for the Secret Service is to never have armed security around our protectee—ever. Even working closely with sworn law enforcement officers around the protectee is a very delicate situation.”' << lel, no word on whether clitler and the monkey disarmed mr t's guards, but... we'll PRETEND! they did. appar
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560712 << the point is valid, however. armed escort is for armed lord, not for talk derps.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:39 trinque: "What's the matter Mr. Trump? We already provided you bodyguards!"
asciilifeform: in the tarball, list of pwned boxes, ip/hostname, creds for some usg proprietary backorifice-style client.
phf: trinque: it's a cyberpunk-ish theme hack from back when you could customize os x's look and feel
asciilifeform reads the linked item and mentally pictures it in 'hollywood ru' nonsense voice from 'red october', 'beautiful mind', and other lulgems of 'languages? we dun do these, school is for phootball'
asciilifeform: and what happens when i wanna plant the thing on bare vga later ?
ben_vulpes: i'm less up in arms about the vpatch than i am about continuing to lend credence to imperial operations like github et al. "dear mcclim donor".
trinque: I'm irritated he didn't genesis v-patch the thing
phf: well, mcclim layers things in a way that i thought was part of the spec, but turns out it was beach's decision (to among other things support multiple different backends). when i was trying to optimize the x11 backend last time, i was hitting multiple "independent" layers, that all demanded attention. there wasn't really an 80/20 solution, which made me conclude that there's not a single subtrate that you can optimize (the way, say,
ben_vulpes: fuck it. do it for tmsr~ the same way anyone else in the republic does it: because it's worth doing.
ben_vulpes: if the upside in the empire is 2k with diversity statements and safe spaces and codes of conduct...
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560409 << guy looks like he's still trying to scrape credits out of the empire
asciilifeform: only that i barfed mightily the last time i tried to clim.
asciilifeform: the 'inherent' thing was phf's observation.
trinque: your bare assertion that there's some kind of inherent lag in the redisplay loop does not meet my observations, i.e. right now on my desk
asciilifeform: if proggy's job is to let me fiddle something in real time, there must be 0 palpable delay. you would not put up with a light switch that takes random(5,10) seconds to light, and to switch off.
asciilifeform: is the point.
asciilifeform: these had 0 realtime display.
trinque: mkay. so the simulation part of your program has someting to do with how fast the display part runs?
asciilifeform: then it is fine if it wants to run for a month.
asciilifeform: it is one thing if the proggy's job is to compute molecular dynamics of protein in solvent.
asciilifeform: trinque can use whatever he likes on his box, but if i run a proggy and have to count '1, 2, 3,...' after pressing a key and before seeing screen draw, it goes in the shit bin.
phf: trinque: i don't think anyone's telling you what to do, but to honestly consider what you can observe, and compare it to what we can observe. asciilifeform is saying that clim is slow for him, i'm saying that there's something in clim design that makes it tricky to make it fast. it's a converstion.
asciilifeform: but in many ways the move to multiuser os on home comp was a bait-and-switch scam
trinque: the fuck, I'm supposed to develop for DOS now?
asciilifeform: trinque: i asked that you compare to a very factual 'yesterday', rather than imagined futures
phf: asciilifeform: inherent, because of how many layers message needs to pass through in order to do a key-press <-> render roundtrip. accelerator is not going to help there
asciilifeform: (but there first has to be such a thing)
trinque: phf: there's no suck fucking feels fast
asciilifeform: the example earlier, 'word perfect on msdos 5', has ~0 perceptible delays. and this was on the junkiest hardware ~ever sold as a comp.
phf: trinque: "dog slow" is a term of art, and it's inherent in mcclim design, because of how it's layered. "feels fast to me" is the worst possible measure of it. asciilifeform is not being particularly precise with his terminology, but you will run into dog slow once you start trying out corner cases (long unwrapped lines, fast rapid draws, massive repl outputs)
trinque: this is much better than the Qt I used for this same application before
asciilifeform: i'm comparing it to motherfucking 'word perfect' on msdos 5.
trinque: release the system; I'll use
trinque: I'm comparing it to other tk
asciilifeform: trinque: 0 palpable delay between key and event was always the standard, and will forever remain the standard.
phf: asciilifeform: it's possible they sped it up since last time we tried it
trinque: I know the latency precisely
trinque: on ccl with their own clx
trinque: And former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page is alleged to have visited with two Russian government officials in a possible effort to open a diplomatic backchannel with the Kremlin, according to U.S. officials. << my god, talking with russians!
asciilifeform: ooh i almost forgot, on the cray i'll need a $10k payware lisp, yes
asciilifeform: (i'm still waiting for somebody to tell me which cray i gotta buy for it to work in MOTHERRFUCKING REAL TIME)
phf: in before asciilifeform's "clim is evil because athena"
phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
asciilifeform: '... just over a week before the presidential election, top Democrats are demanding that he level the playing field and disclose what the FBI knows about Republican nominee Donald Trump’s possible ties to the Russian government.'
asciilifeform: '“I would highly doubt that they’re armed,” he said, “that poses a greater threat. Normally, standard operating procedure for the Secret Service is to never have armed security around our protectee—ever. Even working closely with sworn law enforcement officers around the protectee is a very delicate situation.”' << lel, no word on whether clitler and the monkey disarmed mr t's guards, but... we'll PRETEND! they did. appar
trinque: phf: it's getting interesting right? it's not the final solution, but it'd be a step up from emacs if it works.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pro tip : you can still jumpstart cars today as in 1916 << Some German "innovashuns" are exceptions. Unless your bar for "jumpstarting" only carries to turning motor over then still true.
trinque: "What's the matter Mr. Trump? We already provided you bodyguards!"
trinque: the piece is a hit on his security practices
asciilifeform: 'Throughout the 15 months he’s been running for president, Donald Trump’s campaign has paid private security contractors at least $432,201' << this seems cheap
trinque: asciilifeform: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/12/11-private-security-firms-guarding-donald-trump.html << guy isn't stupid
mircea_popescu: (in the process benefiting him by exposing bugs he dun know about)
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: !~later tell gabriel_laddel have you considered putting ~everything~ masamune into a single tree, prepatched, so that instead of "load X, then load my patch-foo-for-X" you just have everything under single hierarchy exactly the way you expect it to run in production?
mircea_popescu: they all live closeby too, because dun wanna commute until they get blinkenlichten, and so double kill.
asciilifeform: incidentally here's a possible litmus: did mr t accept the 'free' guards traditionally given to candidates, or keep using own ?
asciilifeform: the last potus who tried to fire plum book folk got kennedied.
mircea_popescu: somehow they elide the obvious point that his right move, and his coherent with himself move, is to simply FIRE EVERYONE and then hire people as he perceives the need.
mircea_popescu: note in passing that one of the more substantial objections "people in the know" aka niggers raise to a trump presidency is that "he won't be able to staff wh, he could barely staff his campaign".
asciilifeform: i always wondered if the very sad infrastructure in washington, a kind of frozen-in-time 1970s theme park, is at least partly on account of the expectation that anthill will be leveled 'any day'
asciilifeform: sorta why potus since bush-II or so spends maybe 1 day in 20 in there.
mircea_popescu: as ~everyone with two neurons to rub together has been disabused of this notion, the next guy who wants to change.org might as well point a nuke to the white house.
mircea_popescu: people somehow bought into this "public opinion as an aggregate of the supposed opinions of irrelevant individual cattle MATTERS!!1", and so we had wikileaks.
mircea_popescu: which is not even without merit : the next wikileaks may not leak words.
asciilifeform: general ripper: 'take this thing to the garage and hotwire it' grunt: 'i dunno how to make new detonator, the old one melted when i popped the cover with 3 wrong passwords'
mircea_popescu: rather likely.
asciilifeform: and i picture that it is largely against meatheads from... own side
mircea_popescu: in the end, all this is an exact re-do of the "car ingnition control dun work" "hey it keeps the methheads at bay" "aokthen"
asciilifeform: u is quite common in the planet's crust.
asciilifeform: and if your industrial base is any good, you can refine own pu. with the 'forbidden' laser method.
mircea_popescu: but if your industrial base dun suck, pu pile is still the more expensive part.
mircea_popescu: yes, all "costs", esp in the sense that if your industrial base sucks, you don't get one.
asciilifeform: well yes, you win vs the mine, get pile of pu. which you now gotta machine (ever machine a pyrophoric ?), rebuild the explosive lenses, detonators, neutron source, get moar tritium somewhere (where?), etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that the deck is stacked so much against people. plutonium is like gold, inert chemically, very heavy, etc. it stands out in physical reality like a naked supermodel among a coder convention.
asciilifeform: but i suspect that the acid will win in mircea_popescu's case. nuke builder does not want to make the booby overly sensitive, killing himself
mircea_popescu: thieves generally win the safe-vs-thief game.
asciilifeform: mines generally win the mine-vs-sapper game. which is why modern-day minefields are typically cleared by, one way or another, setting them off, rather than digging up ww2-style.
asciilifeform: recall the las vegas casino bomb thread ?
mircea_popescu: you can't predict what i'll do, and you can't ensure against all the things i might do.
mircea_popescu: yes, but reality is more encompassing than engineering. so suppose i submerge the chest in fumaric acid and you lose.
asciilifeform: and if the 'found' pu is in a boobytrapped chest that noncritically disassembles itself and poisons a square km of your own warehouse if you mis-guess a bit, you have not won, neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw the idea was to make it cheaper to make own nuke than to recycle opponent's.
mircea_popescu: also i have nfi how they imagine reality works, but in principle it's true that "the random process of nuclear decay is the gold standard of rngs" FOR THE REASON that you can't use arithmetics to distinguish one clump of radioactive substance from "another" clump.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how they imagine physical security is to work in the hands of an adversary.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/t0uXi << in other 'olds', usg ministry of wunderwaffen has cryptocrackpottery directorate. entertaining.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the bird was even, some kind of crow.
thestringpuller: pets are the best work out buddies.
mircea_popescu: it made a bird friend! the bird would swoop in squaking, feet in front of the dog, who'd chase it like crazy, then once it's mommentum ran out the bird'd wingflap to the closest tree, rest a little and swoop again.
mircea_popescu: i watched yest the greatest thing ever. people took dog out to park, nice flat coated retriever. young, fulla life.
trinque: oh yeah, it's going mad in the house
mircea_popescu: phf no the backgrounds are different.
trinque: narcissist self-sustains; that thing needs pats on the head
asciilifeform: (i imagine that a pyro makes the same face into a fire, a zoophiliac - while pounding into the sow; etc)
asciilifeform: ah i just assumed it was the sop grin of narcissist staring into camera lens
trinque: he's talking about the cuckgrin and weird goatee, I'm sure
asciilifeform: phf: they're d00dz in their 20s, what do you expect them to look like, who else works in salt mines
phf: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/779574186201141249/WQTyhOtr.jpg ffs why do they all look the same
mircea_popescu: check out the boxxy fan
phf: that buttery-smooth-emacs was a torture to read. it's like a text equivalent of those "heeeeeeeyyy guys it's me i'm back with yet another!! hello!!" youtube videos
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-good-book-of-progrethics-and-moralssive-behaviour/ << Trilema - The Good Book of Progrethics and Moralssive Behaviour
mircea_popescu: well, i guess the livestream of my livingroom irl should count and that sorta thing. but i've not been following teh industry in just about a decade by now.
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that mircea_popescu cremated all of these when he moved out of ro
mircea_popescu: defo not prepared to cogently argue the whys and wherefores of software decisions over a decade old
mircea_popescu: aha. i have tons of these things, not touched for >10+ years etc
asciilifeform: l0l, i recall the thread, it was on an ancient mac wasn't it
BingoBoingo: mplayer, parole, there's a spectrum on non-VLC players
shinohai: works very nicely for streaming youtube vids without all the ad crap
asciilifeform: has separate modules for the raster output (including even an ascii one...)