Framedragger: also, i may want to re-run the base ipv4 ssh server finder at some point, i'm sure i'll get some more keys :p
asciilifeform: Framedragger: jurov posted a quite working one earlier, i used it for the amd keys recently
jurov: Should have converted them to gpg, as Framedragger did.
Framedragger: jurov: i have a trivial python script based on your openpgp-generator to convert arbitrary numbers of e,N,comment into pgp if interested (but you prolly have something of the same - just in case)
asciilifeform: there it is.
mircea_popescu: cool then.
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates than a 2year phuctor fuel supply. (i guess.)
jurov: iirc 10millions. they're still in e,N,comment CSV
asciilifeform: jurov: if you have them in ready format, send'em over.
mircea_popescu: somehow i was under the impression we're just about running out
asciilifeform: jurov: i can slip'em in after the current batch of Framedragger keys is digested, a few wks from now. otherwise - april or so.
mircea_popescu: o, those are still waiting ? i thought they were in already for some reason.
jurov: i have the github pubkeys
jurov: mircea_popescu: to actually connect, client keys must be cracked. asciilifeform: when can i expect the hopper to free for these?
asciilifeform: (and not, as naively one might expect, to their ~actual~ customers as such)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 02:09 asciilifeform: 'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.'
asciilifeform: admin/[blank] interestingly, most common on the current set.
mircea_popescu: though "admin" and "12345" usually carry the day
asciilifeform: (the remainder - also can, with manufacturer's backdoor pw, which i simply do not happen to know)
mircea_popescu: more a case of "locate the maniacs" than anything.
asciilifeform: though i will point out that i do not conclusively know this about ~all~ of them, only all of the ones that are still alive at the ip where they turned up in june...
asciilifeform: this would be a slightly more interesting imho exercise if the popped boxes were not all routers/webcams/etc where no one hangs on shell
mircea_popescu: now, whether anyone has actually done this who's also in our set is of course dubious
mircea_popescu: Framedragger 1. open cpanel session 2. generate ssh key 3. export it 4. import it into another. see a connect to b.
Framedragger: well for one ssh client keys normally have an email/ID associated with them, not sure if ssh agent would like an ssh server key. in theory, yes, sure
asciilifeform: i presently know of no system that ships with remote-login-with-key-auth enabled by default. does not mean that there isn't such a thing.
Framedragger: i mean in practical terms, of course, theoretically, but as in, would a canonical ssh agent eat it up
mircea_popescu: ie, generate key on server, have it spit out the priv/pub pair, register it into another server, done.
mircea_popescu: a key's a key, there's no "server key" as such.
mircea_popescu: could be ? my dear alf, i'm willing to bet there is, on the strength of experience to date.
asciilifeform: aite, somewhere, there could be a maniac who configured his box for ssh ~login~ , and with same key as some such in phuctor.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, you can now mitm whoever tries to connect to compromised box. HOWEVER there's no rule that someone coouldn't have made one of these boxes admins on other boxes.
asciilifeform: breaking these ssh keys doesn't get you in anywhere
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone bothered to gather all these factored ssh keys, reconstruct their privkeys, and then try connect to the whole internet using it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still have nfi why deedbot repeats'em, the rss page itself, notice, never repeats.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ << Trilema - They're not progressive, they're just lazy - a practical exercise
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: What did you get pinched for?
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up the_scourge
BingoBoingo: Just like night train/thunderbird/et al. They are a societally necessary sort of thing.
asciilifeform: ( naturally i did not live long enough to drink these, know of them mainly from memoirs of folks from past 2 generations )
asciilifeform: these typically were made by admixture of 3rd rate fruit juices (sometimes spoiled) and ethyl.
BingoBoingo: I doubt they will ever cease to exist.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://agriculture.by/upload/News/144102_31-vino.jpg << they still exist in belorus. with marks like 'merry carousel'..
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would not be surprised at all. These things find a way.
asciilifeform: at least the rotgut from BingoBoingo's 'night train' article, is cheap road to complete catatonia
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the appeal.
ben_vulpes: well it's /fermented/ on the downstream side
ben_vulpes is pleased that coors is now the republican "murkka beer"
asciilifeform: and they hate, yes, even music, in so far as it pertains to the non-beetles, rather how proverbial vampire hates the crucifix
asciilifeform: protest 'unthinkable' dissent from the 'consensus' of the beetle-men who, it turns out, really won in '45.
mircea_popescu: in other news, as trump prepares to repeal obamawarming, the libertard senate seems set to repeal godwin's law.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/vsMXn << not, as appearances might suggest, wholly unrelated: derps froth at the mouth that anyone might dare to play german conquest marches, 'I hope someone will inform their music authorities', 'I am usually very moderate about showcasing of the original information, but I don't think new performances should be encouraged!', etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's so funny how much can change in a mere coupla decades. from clinton's "boy, i wish i could say the same" to obama's "i solemnly promise & swear trump won't be elected".
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, nigel farage is utterly furios that notwithstanding he's the only brit with a trump pass, nevertheless may & friends won't come kiss his pinky ring.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, bannon makes chief of staff.
mircea_popescu: i suppose they are farmed, yes.
asciilifeform: eh if farmer dies and cows escape into the desert, they will remain == as stupid as before, but ~undirectedly~
mircea_popescu: no, they are dumb because they are dumb, like iron is ductile because it is ductile ; any possible identified witches are scapegoats
mircea_popescu: they're not dumb because the evil witch of the west tells them to, and when she dies they'll all wake up from dumb like from a spell.
mircea_popescu: the key point however, is that it's also not "directed", so to speak.
asciilifeform: at this point anyone with 2 neurons to rub together , i'd suppose, grasps this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the money shot is : "dracut is ALSO vulnerable, like initramfs is". because no, none of this is accidental, not anymore than castrated hipster's support for hillary is accidental.
mircea_popescu: why are all ubuntus the same ?
asciilifeform: 'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.'
mircea_popescu: 7,8 huh. one of these days it's gonna blow up innit.
mod6: ah yes. i recall these.
mircea_popescu: oh and to round off the lulz, http://trilema.com/administrator/components/com_jnewsletter/includes/openflashchart/php-ofc-library/ofc_upload_image.php?name=magic.php and http://trilema.com/components/com_jnews/includes/openflashchart/php-ofc-library/ofc_upload_image.php?name=magic.php.pHp because ofcourse.
mircea_popescu: there's also, i kid you not, Microsoft MSN Search
asciilifeform: wasn't it made default in firefox when the latter was colonized?
mod6: so the 'morse fist' was a guys ability to send error free and 'style' of the transmission of the message
mircea_popescu: truth be told the anglos had this "crypto dun werk" outlook throughout.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) << did the su radio guys have all the otp's for the day there with him or what not?
mircea_popescu: (most of vietnam cinematic footage is one of these artillery reporter squads. works well for the needs of the camera.)
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno that as late as vietnam they had that many forwards like that. generally even the artillery reporters were small squad with co machine gun 3-4 rifles etc
asciilifeform: dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down)
mod6: well, prolly each squad/platoon has one in the forward position, relaying stuff back to other radio guy next to co in bunker. but, ya.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc) << oh no doubt. that's a rough job. like having a damn bomb on your back. next as bad is probably the radio guy.
asciilifeform: let them say why not.
asciilifeform: bonus for using it british-style : douse 1,001 derps, then ask 'why not light match?'
mircea_popescu: (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc)
mircea_popescu: it'd even suit their inability to aim something fierce.
mircea_popescu: incidentally alf : why don't ANY of these fucking idiots doing "mass shootings" like EVER read a fucking training manual, figure out they're supposed to carry ft not ap small arms ?
mod6: yeah, if those were envogue in the early 90s, the cheap aks were by the end of the 90s for sure.
mod6: Oh, maybe it wsa for the sax joke. Didn't see that.
mod6: pete_dushenski: hey, glad you got a prize, I did like the yugo joke.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 00:39 asciilifeform: from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal
mircea_popescu: the retrospectivatron
shinohai: Still avoiding the question of what those "training keyz" were generated on.
mircea_popescu: let the dumb bitch work her ass off three seasons first, what the everloving is this "anything is acceptable" bs.
asciilifeform: police d00d looks like he would rather be literally anywhere else
mircea_popescu: well, if they didn't maybe someone'd give a shit.
mod6: they s/buttlifts/netflix/
mod6: i liked the pumpkin heads
jhvh1: asciilifeform: TEC - 9 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9>; Tec 9 , Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxkZlO7hVTfw>; intratec tec 9 All For Sale - GunBroker.com: <http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx%3FKeywords%3Dintratec%2Btec%2B9>
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9 << TEC-9 - Wikipedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZlO7hVTfw << Tec 9, Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube | https://csgostash.com/weapon/Tec-9 << Tec-9 Skins - CS:GO Stash
asciilifeform: it , iirc, was banned after folx discovered easy conversion to auto , and the postal was a pretext
asciilifeform: from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal
ben_vulpes: also on an ancient thread, horses are allowed on many oregon roads and highways, because this place was barely a place before the sixties. there are a pile of questions in the drivers exam here regarding how to behave around horses, even.
vvande: my sweetheart just came back, so need to make coffee for her
ben_vulpes: changing them is politically fraught.
ben_vulpes: no expiration date, don't forget the passphrase
ben_vulpes: well then it sounds lovely
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually denmark is where the hot german chicks come from.
vvande: statism and autoritianism are not close to the heart of people who have experienced Hitler's regime
vvande: I live in BC Canada - just in from the coast now
ben_vulpes: "texas" then
asciilifeform: anyway the physical location of hitler is a q above my paygrade.
mircea_popescu: this is retrospective naming, the historical equivalent of wtf they call that graph worshippinbg bs
mircea_popescu: this is sloppy thinker - soros was a poor nobody, there's no bloodline there ; and the lulz of the mystical-rotschilds is periodically debunked every time you bring it up.
asciilifeform: one unfortunate bit is that afaik the gambit they used to stay alive last time, will work again -- a kilometre-thick ablative coating of nobodies to catch the gas
mircea_popescu: quite so, apparently the humanist's notion that he speaks for humanity is the sweetest delusion of all.
asciilifeform: they learned 0, because 'thief is never sorry, only sorry that he was caught'
mircea_popescu: so yes - is your own tail and the avoidance of your own fucking holocaust worth stopping and thinking a bit ?
mircea_popescu: yes, motherfucker. this is exactly it : your continued existence is offensive. either you desist, forget this "social justice" nonsense ever existed, and EVERYTHING to do with it - or else YOU will have started a war, with YOUR idiocy.
mircea_popescu: d to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if youd listened and thought a bit."
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the socialist retards (preaching over at huff po) : "My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50-100 year historical perspective they dont see that its happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lea
asciilifeform: it takes maybe 3 seconds to verify whether a page on phuctor is fact or not.
asciilifeform: btw d00dz who read 'p divides N...' and dun bother to go and, well, divide it, deserve to be tricked.
asciilifeform: i suppose walking away with the box cost'em actual moneys last time, and budget was spent on schnapps, or the like.
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose hijacking phuctor is a reasonably valuable thing now, get people to shit pants that their key's haxxed.
asciilifeform: in ogther noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ej6b/?raw=true , even 0day not spared on our humble box
mircea_popescu: in the land of the hanno bocks (ie, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) it is probably as unbelievable as it gets.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if nothing else - zee germanz have now verified that indeed, the phuctor is actually connected and works as described.
asciilifeform: 'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the better universities, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mahvs1avyk1qkbo3do1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: i have nfi, i did ping the d00d via email so as to rub nose in qntra thread, that's all for my end
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea where these shitheads think they're shoping for condescension, or why the fuck the 2nd hand peddler failed to inform them that i got exponentially more than available on the market at my ready disposal.
asciilifeform: re ealier, i have nfi whether herr nordholz is telling truth or nein.
mircea_popescu: o check that out, nobody wants the mulatto in chief. if he doesn't get to hang on to the wh he has literally nowhere to go.
BingoBoingo: From the Wall Street Pisshole "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said."
mircea_popescu: they had table index too short int, crashed when post count overwhelmed it
ben_vulpes: not in the slightest
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you have any conception of the total man-hours soaked into slashdot ?
mircea_popescu: it's hard out there for a pimp...
mircea_popescu: just put it in, then try, it'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: dawg, copy/paste doesn't copy the links.
BingoBoingo: And then can't verify sig
asciilifeform: there's a verbatim asc
mircea_popescu: there is one.
mircea_popescu: much like the whole "social justice" crapolade : "news for geeks, stuff that matters", "web's most important blabla", "slashdotted" and whatnot - then when push comes to shove, it ain't worth enough to buy a middle class home.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : consider slipping in, below sigblock, a link to the key on phuctor
asciilifeform: (if ben_vulpes or other wwwtronicist is ever bored, he oughta consider writing an aggregator called 'wrecker nyooz'..)
asciilifeform: *the
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares to put it in ... what was the shithole, reddit ? hacker news ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can put editorial commentz Below the sigblok
asciilifeform: the pgp sig
BingoBoingo: Ah, the "peace in our time was at bottom of screen. Forgot to scroll, fxing
asciilifeform: that sig needs to be there.
BingoBoingo: The defining national characteristic of France is "taking it"
BingoBoingo: Maybe when it happens La Pen will be chief of the DMV?
BingoBoingo: Or their government
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything turning their language over to a socialist "Academy" and shit.
mircea_popescu: because what the fuck else would crown the retard more than the pretense that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ?
mircea_popescu: and of course, the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt to identify some of the problems inherent in a family of recurring technically naive proposals."
mircea_popescu: "but without our stupid bigotry there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure there would be. for you.
mircea_popescu: they built usg in not for any reason than because they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live.
mircea_popescu: other party. Such a condition rules out the ability to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once the communication moves out of the context of interpretation in which it was defined, the meaning of the symbol becomes lost."
mircea_popescu: (note that they quite exactly identify the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In the case of a public communications system this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened to that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation. This condition of uniqueness allows any party to initiate a communication that can be received and understood by any
Framedragger: well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
ben_vulpes: "gossipd? what dat. have you ever heard of i2p? what's an ethernet frame? shortwave?"
ben_vulpes: i suspect that i knocked their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: happy to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share them with you for the asking
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the party ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ebcb8404af38c91e5101398749ceaf3/tumblr_msctyza3xF1r81lgko1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: can't do all things at the same time.
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
mircea_popescu: sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody thinks much of the inhabitants.
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
mircea_popescu: all girls are gone to town, therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds to EAT ALL OF IT!
asciilifeform: other talks include 'smartphone honeypots'
asciilifeform: and they have some decent quality material published re probing mobile nets, fuzzing, etc.
mircea_popescu: tu berlin is the technische universitat berlin, their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is the "institut fur softwaretechnick und theoretische informatik" (ie the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab.
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to learn whatthefuck exactly is 'seclab', the site suggests some eldritch horror from the bowels of eu academia
asciilifeform: given as the key does not appear to have publicly signed anything, at least in so far as i can see with naked eye, there is no physical way to distinguish this find from an elaborate troll
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de << others -- yes on sks.
asciilifeform: no reply from the good doktor thus far, but it is evening in berlin
asciilifeform: by somebody or other.
asciilifeform: it was submitted manually the day prior to yesterday.
asciilifeform: i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are
asciilifeform: the resulting factor - is prime.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
asciilifeform: specifically, the one marked '2015' and '2016'.
asciilifeform: this recent find is an excellent illustration, it shared the factor solely with own subkeys
asciilifeform: it does not rely on writing down the formerly found factors
mircea_popescu: it doesn't also contain all other factors found ?
asciilifeform: this number gets thrown into the hopper every time phuctor fires
mircea_popescu: when mod pops when submitted, it's always the 8ball
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key..
mircea_popescu: and in random news nobody cares about, the "republic of moldavia", romania's to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high.
Framedragger: (for logs, http://chneukirchen.org/tmp/www.geocities.com/Athens/8926/Kharms/Incidences.html#12 )
Framedragger: how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush..
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more.
mircea_popescu: and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so there is that.
Framedragger: what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think.
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
mircea_popescu: and in other red cup news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5095bd456aec749aaffc506710e27e8b/tumblr_mvhxcaByeh1stjm8io1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other pumpkin attacks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8fe43e441d88ba6dd5667f1d2304721e/tumblr_mv2nmcRc1x1s0fmloo1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com
mircea_popescu: (likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc)
mircea_popescu: but if a patch is required then that's fine too.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no?
mircea_popescu: shows you the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ?
Framedragger: the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
mircea_popescu: what did you take http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567006 to mean ? (it being the 3rd or so pass at this)
Framedragger: up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so.
Framedragger: rather ingenious if i may say so!
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is the point.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER disaster of commons of the republican era is discussed on trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall that footnote.
mircea_popescu: it's a typical disaster of commons of the republican era - the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in the eyes of the present man than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years the choices so made become written in stone and the poor schmucks pay for them. it's sad but unsolvable.
mircea_popescu: at first, gossipd replaces the current "talk to servers to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and http-sessions.
Framedragger: and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess.
mircea_popescu: "but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings"
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort;
mircea_popescu: and of course we managed this situation where half the conversation is here hjalf on trilema to maximally confuse the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GET ANSWER THERE!111
mircea_popescu: there is EXACTLY ONE solution to "zooko's triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so.
mircea_popescu: moreover, how do you handle splits ? maybe "trilema.com" should be owned by mp in mp's shadow and by whoever in some other space.
mircea_popescu: i suppose, but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings. and well... talk over... what.
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e
mircea_popescu: also, the customization is the job of the client not of the server. "you wanna use this - here's the standard" suffices.
Framedragger: there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess.
mircea_popescu: and we're not playing the "bug for bug compatible" game.
mircea_popescu: there's no reason ~you~ should know aforehand what the dns servers will tell you to ask if you look for "string containing substring x" ; and the fact that you DO know who to ask for ".com" is just another sign of the above "some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago"