lobbes: heh, that was the second thing I did after learning how to view a directory in non-winblowz (this is even in logs!). Not hard, but laziness most likely is the problem of Gaboose. For all we know, he is a literal dog with a smartpohne, never to be aware of this conversation
mod6: cool! thanks for taking the time to work on that. :]
ben_vulpes: !!up Gaboose yo get a connection that stays up, would you? the join/part spam is entirely unnecessary.
asciilifeform: 'Consideration is taken for possible conflicts of interest. Financial holdings and sources of income must be disclosed.Any conflicts must be remedied by divestiture, the creation of special trusts, and other actions.' << lel
BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/101050/3-reasons-why-you-should-apply-for-a-job-in-the-trump-administration << OMG these people are way behind us on applying for Trumpreich appointments
BingoBoingo can't await the coming of vintage "protest candles"
phf: BingoBoingo: i'm sure some people sourced it that way, but bulk of k came from india, straight out of factories, because at some point it was unregulated there and class whatever here
asciilifeform: and bread - from the baker, lol
phf: at least that's where the bulk of ketamine came from during the, now looks like mostly over, ketamine years
BingoBoingo: Who makes counterfeit marijuana as mentioned http://qntra.net/2016/11/st-louis-homeless-overdose-on-fake-weed-as-the-great-again-looms/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. Okcupid used to be a waste of time then, OMG run mp scripts and then datez.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You meet them in Florid
phf: well, the result of staple tmsr exercise of "let me grind these lens myself, oh, wait, turns out the `sand` they use is actually cow shit"
asciilifeform: i was quite unable to do ANYTHING reliably on the thing when it lost fan control (from the linuxbiosification). possibly was just my unit ? though it had virginally clean fans, fresh grease.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569973 << Seriously real domain. Tis where the Trumpreich appointment application lives.
asciilifeform: phf: pretty much all of the ones mircea_popescu mentioned having
mircea_popescu: "the college debt is worse than you tihnk", aka girls being 2/3 overweight, living together, no degree after decade of "work" and obviously, all this paid for by promises that can't be kept.
mircea_popescu: needless to say, the most usg will ever collect on that is as many bullets as its agents can carry.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570400 << /me currently holds a few girls who allegedly owe for their ustardian education.
mircea_popescu: basically they're trying to get a "social emergency" declared, and have free money thrown at people "because they need it" somesuch.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're all excited because something or the other with paperwork, various union heads finally deflated their heads enough to fit in same room or such.
mircea_popescu: gimmicky as per usual. cgt affair. really more in the vein of 7-800 ppls but w/e.
asciilifeform: 'The Bitcoin community and, especially, miners, now face the most important decision in Bitcoin’s existence. They are to choose between two fundamentally different visions for bitcoin’s future. Segwit, a centralized capacity increase from 1MB to around 1.7MB, or Bitcoin Unlimited, a decentralized mechanism for on-chain scalability decision making. ' << sanity not, according to this thing, on the table ..?
asciilifeform: 'A representative from Bitbank, in response to the same question, responded by linking to “A Statement from Members of the Bitcoin Community,” which announces a $1.2 million grant fund for Bitcoin protocol development. ' << lel, wai so miserly, if gonna bribe folks to shoot self in the head, oughta offer more
mircea_popescu: o hey, they're finally going away ?
shinohai: oh the `it's`
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, i paid a grand via paypal for like 60 btc back in 2012. back then bitcoin was still enjoying the benefit of not having been popularized.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/#comment-78740
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/still-another-fork-digs-into-overcooked-ethereum/ << Qntra - Still Another Fork Digs Into Overcooked Ethereum
BingoBoingo: Oh, attention for Phuctor asciilifeform mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/#comment-78713
mircea_popescu: not sure i want to put this in standard, but if people implement then maybe.
mircea_popescu: maybe have !*daddy implemented across all of them ? "I am owned by ."
Framedragger: i proposed. bot for bots. up the metastack we go
Framedragger: ohyeeeeah. shitty mod. no disagreement there. right.
mircea_popescu: well before that they did this stupid thing where they were going to have "standards" and whatnot ; with that rank imbecile gmaxwell in charge of "moderation".
Framedragger: ah - was the latter the whole story? if so, fair enough. stateful vs stateless, right?
mircea_popescu: no fallout really ; you mean why the bots split ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: btw, i later wasn't much in touch and didn't follow your fallout with nanotube much. maybe there's a trilema article tho?..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not disputing the claim, just, now reading my otc logs with a highliught on your name lol
Framedragger: and the latter is what i meant
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there isn';t, sadly, no.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the prognosis for loper-entrants seems to be a lot worse than for trilema entrants. as gabriel_laddel points out, you're unhinged.
Framedragger: speaking of which, *of course* there's no working WoT visualizer right nao, right? ...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's this phenomenon multiple people confessed to (inc, famously, pete_dushenski ) whereby trilema takes a while to read but then clicks. that while is months. getting someone to read it for months as a deliberate act seems beyond the feasible.
mircea_popescu: in a sane country like say 1800s turkey we'd just go to the slave markets and buy the kids who washed their eyes in preference of their mouths.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570161 << i actually hate it that the emotional intensity of my frustration was much reduced by this timing! on the constructive side of things... how can one, well, streamline this? "we have the technology!!" maybe more loper-os / trilema education/outreach.. :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the ftp repurposing is why i originally imagined he's got a web server replacement.
ben_vulpes: trinque: they're noisy and have ~0 to do with anything
gabriel_laddel: And they are v good.
Framedragger: " Achievements Identified and prototyped the first realistic solution to the education problem. " << nice
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:00 gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc.
ben_vulpes: "omg its the only way to get unbrainwashed girlfriends"
ben_vulpes: cant imagine life is still viable at 22 these days though
gabriel_laddel: at least the ones I keep running into.
gabriel_laddel: all the women out here are involved in "social justice" bs.
trinque: someday the addiction matrix will align!
gabriel_laddel: eg, people with blue eyes like the alcohol photos.
gabriel_laddel: I thought it was BS, but there appear to be some correlations.
mircea_popescu: judicious for the scene.
trinque: so the fitness function is having compatible addictions?
gabriel_laddel: and the correlations I've encountered thus far.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: then inform them off the "Without explaining the images, they had shown the book to their patients and asked them to pick a favorite. Every single one of them chose their drug of dependence, with 100 percent accuracy. Even the secretary who only ever drank coffee chose caffeine."
phf: or rather gouache projections
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I then ask people if they want to participate in a psychology experiment, have them select their favorite 3 photos from the 22 I have.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is nice and all, but sounds too romanticized for my tastes. "be practical, get a gpg key on a machine that *is* connected to the net, and *later* get a proper one" is imho a sane approach at this point in time.
phf: that's actually pretty cool, reminds me of the 60s mylar art..
gabriel_laddel: I have a CLIM application that has those photos + other photos of alcohol & cocaine.
mircea_popescu: o wait, did we stumble on the problem ? gabriel_laddel are you like all socially shy and weird irl ?
trinque: go to a yoga class and then talk to the teacher chick about how your chakras are all clogged or w/e
mircea_popescu: so get 8 for the room of 1, win-win.
mircea_popescu: which is the correct solution at his age ; hire a receptionist gf to handle the whole circus.
trinque: there is definitely some yoga chick to move in with in sf
mircea_popescu: i credit the hos.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: as i gather, you are trying to follow the example of mircea_popescu , who - famously - has never worked for pay, etc. but afaik mircea_popescu never had any problems receiving mail or having own comp.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, wot. but then... no wot.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the way I want people to get masamune is "have to know a guy"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he'd better have put his sword in some stone he can later get to, out of the jail.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: sure, but I'd be generating a key on something that regularly connects to the internet.
mircea_popescu: but ironically, YOU don't want to v until the code's done anyway and put it all in root. so...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure there's a better place to do something of the scale of "clim computer" than low security us jail.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the republic isn't poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied.
phf: presumably he doesn't have a key, because there's no openpgp implementation in common lisp...
mircea_popescu goes to get the larger rub-in-er
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but he gets the postbox first.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel make a corp already ; it's like fiddy bux, can be done online, then you can be the officer get bank accounts deposit cash get warehouse rented sleep there.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i hear ya, i'm interested to take a peek at the thing, tho.
phf sold a handful of asterisk + sbcl boxes in the past
asciilifeform: from one pov was a titanic waste of time, from another - best education asciilifeform ever had.
phf: people that i know who own property in sf are of deep imperial alignment, they would be proper horrified of tmsr and its rhetoric
asciilifeform: but to return to subj, asciilifeform also owns 0 land. but has a motherfucking POST ADDRESS omfg
mircea_popescu: appartently not the right ones
asciilifeform: the wrong, apparently, set!1111
mircea_popescu: i literally know no one in sf who owns real estate it turns out. this is mindboggling, how the fuck can the land values be so high! fucking chinese own it all ? aliens ?
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for others, but i disapprove of only two details -- 1) the solution of problems using wordplay & redefinition, the characteristic 'millenial' sin, e.g., 'this ftp daemon is TMSR WEB!', this can of cig butts is lisp machine 2) failure to maintain elementary self-hygiene -- have a hut with locking door, and FOR FUCKS SAKE, MAN, a pgp key
mircea_popescu: apparently all he wants is coding support and the extant lisp curmudgeons disapprove of his (evidently adolescentine) technological choices.
mircea_popescu: he's the executed kind.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it isn't particularly near where i live, but i've been there, it is one of the few habitable / clean / civilized towns i've visited in usa
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
gabriel_laddel: phf: the "bright CLIM future" doesn't have html/css/js/ any parsing at all in it.
phf: well, yeah, i'm sure it bitrotted by now, but how much work is it to revive? i kind of have it in the back of my mind for the bright clim future..
gabriel_laddel: phf: anyways, I only think we'll be using the browser as a tool to suck information out of into CLIM in the near future.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/JbnqA << in other housing news, home of "world's first cyber security education center" now under construction near asciilifeform's house.
gabriel_laddel: phf: what, the compiler?
mircea_popescu: fucking loony tunes collection over here. that guy doesn't trust anything or like anything ; that other guy wants to cook while running around the streets of mosul. isn't there anyone in this god damned republic that is sane ?
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: if you want to do something useful, build the CLIM web I've described inbetween here and gossipd.
mircea_popescu: yes but this situation is not stable. either you get out of there or you get credit cards and whatnot.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the infrastructure needed is somewhere to put them though. I have machines sitting in stanford's graphics lab (cameras everywhere) that will eventually host the IRC channel, but have nowhere to put them that isn't USG.NSA.YC.
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: possible to ship x220's to US for you? not that i'm committing as of now. there are nice refurbished ones here in UK
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: 1. he can fly 2. he can do something useful for tsmr~ == get the CLIM-web thing up and running inbetween here and gossipd
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how does this relate to having someone drive all the way from canada to hand you laptops ?
gabriel_laddel: anyways, that's pretty much it. I fucking hate all the companies out here and won't capitulate == me has to sell masamune and do one-off jobs for cash.
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: also, apologies for not checking logs. the question naturally springs to mind, so to speak
mircea_popescu: uh. so then why would he come over ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you don't buy them off amazon ?
gabriel_laddel: you are not getting any younger, and unless you want your healthcare running on intel/windows -- masamune is the only way forwards.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that there isn't any serious "bitcoin invoicing" thing. you can have a "take customer;'s bitcoin and give me fiatola", there's 500x of those. there's NO "take customer's fiatola and give me btc"
gabriel_laddel: speaking of infrastructure, and the lack of it, one of you who isn't doing anything useful (eg, pete) should come out to CA and give me some boxes to work with.
Framedragger: trinque's invoice thing may come useful. but then, there's more space to bridge, such as the vast gap between person who wants to buy useful item and person spending coins from trb so can pay invoice....
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "here's the shopify page, now it's legit to pay 700" ?
gabriel_laddel: for some reason they can't comprehend things unless it comes on top of js/shopify/something familiar
gabriel_laddel: here is the link, but give me cash
gabriel_laddel: the lisp environment runs parenscript, so you can sorta-kinda drive it with CL.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: and it is integrated into the lisp environment via a socket connection.
mircea_popescu: this guy needs a girlfriend stat. preferably a ho that comprehends the points about infrastructure.
gabriel_laddel: the new comcast boxes are shit and I can't even connect to them from linux whatsoever.
gabriel_laddel: it is the only place I have quality internet.
gabriel_laddel: stanford remotely reset the computer I was using..
Framedragger: (wait there's an x220 with 'tablet' / screen-turning mode?)
gabriel_laddel: lol, I'm selling them as we speak. It works.
mircea_popescu: this is actually not altogether unmarketable.
mircea_popescu: lol welcome to the future finally.
gabriel_laddel: the shopify thing is just so I have something to point confused sillycon valley people to.
gabriel_laddel: I may have to cancel your order because I cannot ship to Ar, but nevertheless.
gabriel_laddel: anyways, no they can't use snapchat, whatsapp or any mobile applications, but yes, they can youtube, gmail, and all web stuff. There is an xterm available via the splash screen for those who need it.
mircea_popescu: check out the latest kardashian ass pics, do the yoga routine, cheezburger, foodporn, etc ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so it actually is ho-level complete replacement of ipad whatever, they can do on your item whatever they do, snapchat, whatsapp, whatever ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lmao. it's the real deal.
gabriel_laddel: anyways, the point of this scheme is that it can be implemented in all of a week for someone who has some spare compute sitting around (ie, not me right now)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic.
gabriel_laddel: oh, then yeah, sure.
pete_dushenski: https://www.greatagain.gov/news/president-elect-donald-j-trump-selects-us-senator-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-lt-gen-michael.html << in other hos, latest trumpenreich appointments : sessions for attorney general, pompeo for director of cia, flynn for national security affairs. (link won't archive).
asciilifeform: and i can make 'mazeratis' so long as they are of cardboard.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the point is, swapping whatever backend out is easy. If you want sockets, fine, just switch. It isn't like programming CLIM is difficult.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much a mistake. i was going to say something derisive about the % but then i passed.
Framedragger: (ideally, i would guess, it'd munch datagrams, too, because gossipd is to have no stateful connections of the tcp kind.)
gabriel_laddel: trinque: because I've had issues with sockets in lisp every single time I've used them, whereas irc works fine every time.
mircea_popescu: he prolly had the code.
gabriel_laddel: ^ exactly. then we just wait for someone to get annoyed enough with the backend that they swap it out with gossipd.
Framedragger: asciilifeform linked to that phoronix thread, and there were in point of fact good replies on that thread, who acknowledged significance of phuctor, but of course asciilifeform chose to focus on the stupid kiddos there.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually a problem i'm always easy to be set off on a stupid rant, but it's harder to be constructive etc. not that this is a unique trait. and there's a superficial connection to the whole rant-y nature of things, that is:
gabriel_laddel: The way this will work: an invite-only IRC channel with a +v voice model is used to send s-expression strings between networked CLIM applications.
gabriel_laddel: The web is nothing more than networked graphics. CLIM supplies graphics, but no networking.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel is this cl-fpt an apache replacement then ?
gabriel_laddel: ^ patch the lastest CL-FTP with that ftp.lisp and it'll work
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, there's that..
trinque: iirc 4th quadrant, some others
Framedragger: they invite student interns to write stuff, too, and afaik it's high quality, too. again, just good selection i guess. but also - interest to participate.
Framedragger: you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not to die, and to remain, as far as i can see it, a quality product still. both in terms of codebase, and in terms of the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su technical uni etc)
mircea_popescu: you can't simply take the pages out, photograph the miners in boudoir interiors and overwrite them with "IT LIFTS! AND IT SEPARATES!"
mircea_popescu: well, no. the objection is, in nucet, that you've not so far proposed a bridge over the gap of "the republic is about empowering people to matter in the world and the redditardisms are about assuring cattle that their play will have no consequences"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding the "let's do cicada" objection - there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is the main one basically what trinque said, i.e., it's a form of (dishonest, to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and the latter may not at all translate into what's actually useful?
Framedragger: "The third period, as we have seen, was prepared in 1897 and [...] was a period of disunity, dissolution, and vacillation. [...] by way of summing up what has been expounded above, we may meet the question, What is to be done? with the brief reply: Put an End to the Third Period."
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:39 mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569820 << heh, incidentally -- Что делать? is still on my reading list. at the very least seems to be a decent rhetorical piece. i mean, the ending is cool - literally the last words are,
mircea_popescu: 2021 ? you folks'd better provision, there's literally no telling what a bitcent means in four years
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmzm_NgpM0 << in other horizons, the owner of kim's ass, one kanye west, <3 Trumpenreich.
mircea_popescu: which explains why "a fascination with the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) : the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response to artist's renditions of galaxies has a very low tolerance to complexity.
mircea_popescu: in the end, the only difference between us and them is that we're not particularly impressed with the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep them. their computer only has notepad and it can't load bn line files.
mircea_popescu: "rather than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you the number 4 a thousand trillion times*"
mircea_popescu: apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate a thousand data points, the solution is to create a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a thousand trillion.
mircea_popescu: hence why any "discussion" of the global warming scam by the proponents starts and ends with a litany of... all the proponents that agree with this proponent.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible."
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantively making the data less comprehensible than the commentary. on the contrary, if you had to write a parser it'd be easier to write it for the data - the commentary is baseless and as such incomprehensible through sheer variance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even, it's more a matter of "but the wall meat is pink and his meat is purple. purple is better"
mircea_popescu: AND, observably, the recipes slowly diverge - it was 1 part wall meat to 3 parts cattle meat years ago, but by now it's 1 to 10 or elss
asciilifeform: eh the wall jerky is tough & stringy, but his own turd sausage is soft an' delish.
mircea_popescu: the model for the situation is roughly speaking that of a man caught in a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so thick he can't physically eat his way through - and his reaction is to raise cattle to make sausage.
mircea_popescu: it's a very interesting paradoxical effect this, from either a cultural anthropology or a gnoseology angle, that when deluged with first hand data the human brain reacts by secreting and seeking out... commentary, which is to say spurious text that's not even data.
mircea_popescu: never fear the FEARFUL!!!1 by consensus, what's awesome by everyone's agreement is always the magical wizard of oz, a hunchback old codger behind a mirror.
mircea_popescu: but he talks to the postmodern crowd, that's drowned in information it can't process. the same "public opinion" which snowden imagined will cause some sort of equivalent reaction to nuclear holocaust only bigger through publishing his data ; but then turned out to fizzle (exactly like the nukes)
asciilifeform: iirc we had ~300 cracked mods then
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:49 asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569826 << meanwhile read the source. phoronix forum lel. anyway - funnily enough, and predictably enough the dude plays the "commentary supersedes reality" game, and purports to handwave the... what is it, 1.5k cracked moduli with loose discussion of a coupla imaginary examples he came up with on the spot, notwithstanding that after all the whole fucking thing is published.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:42 mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569742 << in fairness, "trinque" as well as "mircea_popescu" is an account in the meaning here contemplated. you already have accounts.
ben_vulpes: obviously it weakens the automatability of your processing to open up a hole for contesting deposits
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569585 << not unreasonabru, wallet braindamage/taint stush/millions of other things weren't necessarily apparent in 2011
shinohai: Ironically, an individual with the name waffle_ shows up blue in my client.
mircea_popescu: even the quoted statement is a disguised tautology. "don't herd with the guy that's not herding with the herd." hurr durr, i totally needed a degree in something of the other studies to figure this much out!
mircea_popescu: the part where this is necessarily self-limiting, and always ends an "inexplicable hillary defeat" is out of their horizon.
mircea_popescu: the graph is walked backwards. they say what the audience expects. not schooled in any facts, it's all "consensus building"
asciilifeform: (the little entomological puzzle here being, how much are these folks schooled in the facts, so as to lie correctly)
asciilifeform: 0.22(bitlen(P)) rather
asciilifeform: 'Not every single output bit from then on, which is what would be necessary for his claim to be true, just those bits' >> gotta wonder, does this ninjashotgun know or not that you need ~0.22P bits of rsa P to break in coupla hours. or not.
asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' )
mircea_popescu: the "value" is that it has nothing to say ; from a certain perspective this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the intimate history of red radicalism is only familiar to dedicated entomologists.
mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger objection against the "we'll do a cicada thing".
asciilifeform: (or even mundane human problems like 'where to find a more decent flat' , because ~there~ , just as with fermat conjecture, there is no guarantee that you aren't facing brick wall, on account of personal inadequacy. whereas the crossword is guaranteed to yield to modest effort. it is sex with doll.)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:53 mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569777 << actually there is another destructive force at work, also. i once knew a very capable d00d who ended up quitting serious research (he was a biologist) to play 'world o' warcraft'. he explained it as 'the game gives steady reward morsels, my research was a possibly lifelong brick wall' (not his exact words, but this was long ago)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: objection against current republic outlook, or objection against being all snore-ful and despiseful while at the same time grumbling about republican efforts being slow and the republic being poor? :)
mircea_popescu: do you understand the objection though, or is it just so much nonsense ?
asciilifeform: (at a recent hellhole where asciilifeform worked, they marched in folx with perfect marks, many magister degrees in 'sciences', etc., who COULD NOT PROGRAM)
Framedragger: good luck with the whole recruiting thing. /sad
asciilifeform: where Official credentials are so heavy on arbitrary crapolade that they are ~worthless
mircea_popescu: then again that's exactly what we'd say, isn't it.
mircea_popescu: and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation to be believably made. that "nothing will happen". i can't make that, nor do i wish to (these two are related).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's the excuse du jour for the contemporaneous pothead. the gwern, the guy who "really believed in wikipedia", the guy who "really believed in ted talks" and "fucking loved sicence" and so on. the kid who is "investigating child pornizzerias in wash dc" via 4chan and "visual thinking"
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: e.g., the list of phuctor wtfs
Framedragger: i've seen attempts to post on bitcointalk, with the psychological safety of knowing that if it fails, "well it's shitty redditard forums anyway, who cares"
asciilifeform: sit in the tree, chitter ?
mircea_popescu: but tmsr will never do something like the cicada challenge.
Framedragger: so if tmsr did something like that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would turn up. i haven't seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but then, i've probably not seen enough.
mircea_popescu: so yes - more friction, the republic is all about "if you succeed things happen". this is poisonous, to the modern mind.
asciilifeform: y'know, the folx who at one point built rockets, skyscrapers. they had descendants, who are now writing poor quality php on 'fiverr' etc.
mircea_popescu: or just why intelligent motivated person looks for way to cicada rather than way to blow up the new york times building/
mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job"
asciilifeform: 'people' as broad class historically have barely been capable of wiping own arse. i was referring to the formerly sometimes-capable right tongue of bell curve, not to cattle.
Framedragger: there, as in say, in the challenge in question? i would imagine, curiosity, and a deeper need to do something smart and meaningful, and hoping that the people organizing this give such an opportunity. and folx are willing to spend many hours pursuing that.
Framedragger: but then you have very motivated intelligent people trying to crack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 - the latter being possibly a recruiting campaign - so maybe it's also a matter of outreach strategy...
mircea_popescu: i'm not terribly optimistic of that "healthy attachment" in the general form.
asciilifeform: was it tlp, or who, but wrote about how many folx growing up in the ruins of 'western civilization' are biologically incapable of forming healthy attachment of any sort
mircea_popescu: i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of the foss delusion. the data's pretty clear.
mircea_popescu: it turned out the guy was making shit up, and a well.