Framedragger: i've stayed away from keybase as it had that creepy (and useless) hipsta vibe, but if true, then it's actively malicious.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: what do you mean, "slightly different js"? is there any point in time where you need to entrust your privkey to local js? i thought it was just a matter of giving it pubkeys and sigs?
asciilifeform: (in one variant; always; in another - whenever they feel like serving up slightly different js to the chump)
shinohai: I'm not entirely unsure this won't be the case in future, since last time I checked she had started using keybase.io
asciilifeform: i have nfi, could be that both were named for same tv character or the like.
trinque: meant the neurons; seems to me the right virus would yes, make the perfect creatures of idiocracy
asciilifeform: the liberasts' wet dream.
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik it ~produces~ them..
asciilifeform: greedy algo ~worx~. but it leads to the question of what the 'thinker' needs all of those extra neurons for. a dozen would suffice.
asciilifeform: btw i once went to an 'alt-right' thing in dc. (with herr handle & co.!) -- and iirc literally everybody in the room was some form of j000
trinque: wouldn't be pomo enough otherwise
mircea_popescu: trinque maaan... that's pathetic.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the problem is that if indeed the later level half-sh reward is not worth getting, THEN therefore the early level full level reward is also not worth getting.
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk << who could've predicted the flamboyant voice on this... heh, I dub them alt-boys.
diana_coman: that sounds to me like the perfect expression of monkey-brain: no instantly visible result means not worth doing
mircea_popescu: "oh but we are dedicated to not telling people what to do" "and your mother's a whore."
mircea_popescu: how the everloving fuck can someone write THAT rather than "DO NOT quaff level pots at low level" ? it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: ove the teens the character is often looking at the difference between 500,000 and 1,000,000 XP, neither of which are likely to be realized through normal adventuring, so blessing the potion makes little difference."
mircea_popescu: t there is little point in blessing a potion before quaffing, because it's likely the only way you will level up is via potions and wraith corpses. For example, a 5th level character who drinks an uncursed potion would be set to 6th level at 320 XP, versus 480 with a blessed potion. The difference to reach 7th level is 320 (if uncursed was drunk) vs 160 (if blessed was drunk) which is an attainable goal. On the other hand, ab
mircea_popescu: holy shit, wikis rot the brain. check out this doozy from nethackwiki.com : "If attempting to gain experience levels, blessing potions of gain level before drinking them makes more sense earlier in the game than later, because at high levels the number of experience points needed to level up through normal adventuring is so high that it's rarely done. At higher experience levels, the number of XP between levels is so huge tha
mircea_popescu: somebody with a lot more time than sense should probably make a libertardwiki, explaining all the things that ARE TRUE!!! such as you know, the nazis were this historical group of white men who didn't believe global warming is caused by internet trolls.
trinque: if that's not the connection, I'm out of ideas
trinque: http://www.dvdizzy.com/images/p/theproducers-03.jpg << nazi standard issue chin. it checks out.
mircea_popescu: dun tell me, let me guess, the jews are going to tell everyone what's what as part of everyone's effort to get rid of them ?
asciilifeform: me neither.
mircea_popescu: uh never heard of this guy, what "carefully crafted face of the so-called alt-right" ?
mircea_popescu: the sheer antitextuality of somebody playing kampchen's stuff STRAIGHT is worth it just for itself.
hanbot: asciilifeform> write to 'funker vogt' then... << why not wumpscut too lol
Framedragger: (may take a while for her to get back to me, so don't have super high hopes - will let you know either way tho!)
asciilifeform: i had nfi they even had this
mircea_popescu: and their german site redirects to facebook
asciilifeform: i cannot picture this piece in anything but their lead's voice, must confess
asciilifeform: write to 'funker vogt' then...
asciilifeform: maybe pete_dushenski then
mircea_popescu is half-considering actually paying someone who isn't fucking christoph holzhofer to sing this thing. with a manly voice and proper arrangement not whatever the fuck that beseeching woody allen-wannabe voice + pothead "feminist" guitar drang.
asciilifeform: l0l!! they had mircea_popescus in de
mircea_popescu: ah there, Schmier die Guillotine, schmier die Guillotine, schmier die Guillotine Mit Tyrannenfett.
asciilifeform: well yes. was hoping to find whole picture of the variant.
mircea_popescu: there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: standard heckerlied does not appear to contain the magic phrase.
asciilifeform: ( quasi-related historical q for cultured folk: do the lyrics to mega-teutonic-marvel 'Wenn das Judenblut vom Messer spritzt' actually exist on the net? or is whole item a fabrication..? )
mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't.
asciilifeform: see also : https://archive.is/gp9At >> 'The event was held at the Northwest Washington restaurant Maggiano's which issued an apology Monday and told the Washington Post that it would donate $10,000 to the D.C. office of the Anti-Defamation League.'
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 13:53 mircea_popescu: "gotta have taint! its how the world works!"
trinque: that being - as far as I can tell - the only belief of that sect.
trinque: this weird preoccupation with "say the words" seems like it came directly from protestant christianity.
asciilifeform: '"These people aren't kooks. They're a dangerous, racist, anti-Semitic group of people who are attacking the core values of America... [Trump] has an obligation to all Americans to stand up and denounce this group."'
Framedragger: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/5MB.jpg << avian transportation of 5 megabyte disk (~1965) (probably IBM 2311?) - i just like to imagine myself that the javascript "libraries" of a simplistic "modern" "website" alone often weigh more than that. ties into the whole website obesity crisis thread.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the circus, https://archive.is/vcQlA >> 'While President-elect Donald Trump has yet to denounce the alt-right by name, CNN's Chris Cuomo says he should. "It's about being a leader," Cuomo said on "New Day" Tuesday. "You denounce things that are wrong. That's what leaders do."'
mircea_popescu: well, some uppity av may warn about that, so best keep it in the past few years
asciilifeform: very much. considering that there is no need at all to find fresh 0day, you can ship any flashplayer exe you like
mircea_popescu: aha. and takes ~0 effort to put together.
asciilifeform: btw tactic of 'bundle stock flash player + dancing-lolcat-cum-exploit-for-same' is clever in the sense of avoiding whatever av
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd suspect this is actually the main entry intake for botnet chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: the economics are simply unavoidable, 1% is "undetectable" and also utterly sufficient.
mircea_popescu: anyway, given the mechanics of the retarded user and of viral infection, i would suspect 100% of these download-things websites selectively scam their users.
mircea_popescu: the retarded boys and girls club.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 14:46 asciilifeform: speaking of the Profoundly Speshul: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q4/490
mircea_popescu: and in random fuck this shit : if you're downloading a bunch of fonts and end up with a humongo pile of spurious folders because hey, people are special, the pill is find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -I file mv --backup=numbered file . (followed, probably, by for file in *; do mv "$file" `echo $file | tr ' ' '_'` ; done because special people are THAT FUCKING SPECIAL)
shinohai: 'tis in the logs
trinque: phf: could I get a URL endpoint on btcbase.org/log which redirects to the first line spoken by a nick?
trinque: the !!ratings one is a bit unclear as to which direction
asciilifeform: https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/eichin/common/perl/pkey << in other very very vintage lulz.
Joshua-I: Thanks for taking the time to give me your input. Have a good night
asciilifeform: aha. and in light of the 'coarse error of pilotage' seen here, i am not inclined to reinstate it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22rate%22+joshua-i << apparently you had a courtesy rating from asciilifeform back in the summer ; which he took off recently (iirc he did some cleaning out of stale ratings).
Joshua-I: He has some issue or another using his key
Joshua-I: mircea_popescu I work with gabe running the business side of things
mats: generally frontloads with foreign policy, bidness, then some fluff, tech, and the cover story somewhere towards the end
mats: ya, i like the print format
mats: i don't know anybody else that regularly reads the atlantic
mircea_popescu: the atlantic can't break 10k views anymore ?
asciilifeform: but i like to imagine that the thing ended up on the sidewalk for a reason... (probably thrown from window, vs from moving car, looks to be pretty clean)
asciilifeform: b00k will go to the d00d who buys this crud from me
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform went for evening walk and found, on the ground, b00k purporting to be autobiography of karl rove, signed by same
BingoBoingo: "Despite uneventful Q1 hour cold calorics, weekly MRIs, a record breaking 1,500-hour continuous EEG, and a clinical exam consistent with unquestionable brain death, the patient remained a full code at the wishes of his power of attorney. The patients family insisted that he has always been a fighter."
asciilifeform: shamir was coopted in '14 . why not also adleman? is the d00d dead or wut.
asciilifeform: 'There are reasons for concern. According to the director of national intelligence, the leaked emails ... .... [buncha claptrap snipped] ... Russian hackers attacked ... A full manual recount of the paper records would be definitive, but that’s unnecessarily difficult, expensive and time-consuming ... There’s an easier way: an audit that manually examines a random sample of the ballots'
mircea_popescu: well, standard whatever. i don't have it, they don't supply it, story ends neh ?
Framedragger: (because there shouldnt be need for java iirc)
Framedragger: (oh that may be for the pack. sorry for spam.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger pretty sure the system is 64 bit but anyway
Framedragger: "Try downloading the 32-bit version from the All Versions tab on the Dwarf Fortress download page. "
Framedragger: "This error means that you are using the 64-bit edition on a 32-bit system.
Framedragger: that's mainly because the two brows live off of stable donations by their dedicated community, i think. :) but then the community has high expectations and are (in a wishy-washy) sense kinda-shareholders.. so yah, heh.
shinohai: What can I say, the game likes punishing me for taking so long to jump on board.
diana_coman: they are* /to even consider looking*
diana_coman: my xp with the (very few) df players I know is that they are either so dedicated to df or so comfortable with it that they totally unavailable/unwilling to even looking at something else
diana_coman: iirc I *did* mention dwarf fortress some time ago precisely because of some similarities; I think mircea_popescu left a message on their wiki/forum/whatevs but nothing/nobody materialised as a result
mircea_popescu: oh this is the pixel thing.
mircea_popescu: actually : current lead dev started life as frustrated eulora player who wrote a bot to automate the insanity.
ben_vulpes: players wrote their own dwarf mgmt software because the builtin mgmt tools are famously inadequate
ben_vulpes: dwarf fortress is a game you play in spite of the game's best efforts to stop you
ben_vulpes: rather deep crafting tree, roguelike + 4x
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 17:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw speaking of "i don't understand what this does therefore it's secure" - you know the rogue rnz ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the gyn, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6b0ee64afff2c64d2733de8527378830/tumblr_mst7eqLoVV1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: 'The WordPress culture, for those who are not aware, prioritizes higher adoption rates over better security.' << gold.
asciilifeform: 'At no point lower in the automatic update process is a cryptographic signature verified. The update server is trusted explicitly and implicitly by every WordPress website online ... They are aware of this issue, and have been for years...'
mircea_popescu: the alive is great again!
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6rUNOcA1Y << much better thing. that is A MAP at the beginning.
Framedragger: there's dcss https://crawl.develz.org/ which you can play using webtiles, or via standalone executable with gfx (iirc), or via terminal / nethack-style. i haven't played a lot of it but it's nice.
mircea_popescu: but nah, demise was advanced, actual paper dollies like the might and magic series.
asciilifeform: i always wished for one of these rewritten with 'zzt monster zoo'-style graphics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was a pretty cool dungeon crawler (demise) which i loved and always regretted they didn't properly implement it as a roguelike with gfx.
mircea_popescu: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/mZ67We9gkjk/a23fqBHah6kJ <<< there
asciilifeform blew countless hours in childhood on these but never met'em as anything other than 1player msdos gamez
mircea_popescu: at least a decade ago they kept track who ascended with what and when and etcetera.
asciilifeform: there was a ~community~ ?!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ?
mircea_popescu: and in other migs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/66784611eb667ce113c960769ed9bf70/tumblr_mst7jwaORy1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
shinohai: It appears db4.8 doesn't really care how large the field is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, there's a reason trilema has to be this fucking big.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: a good dose of the clap ?
phf: also i've been mostly quite in the past two weeks, because i'm sick. i should be back to the regular schedule programming in a week or so
scriba: responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] <mircea_popescu> ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:26 Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571887 << this is exactly why humans run the wot. there's no machinable replacement for answering this type of questions. this is no small matter, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: the wot is to be based on judgement about the past ; not on projections about the future.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:16 asciilifeform: in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 15:24 asciilifeform: there is also the elementary fact that ratings take up space.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571886 << and the even more elementary fact that ratings are an open invitation to be asked about x. which one may or may not want to offer.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i used to hold get togethers, we did iirc three.
asciilifeform: ( http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/barmaley-korney-ivanovich-chukovsky << engl. for the uncultured folk )
asciilifeform: now, when they make installing winblowz (or for that matter 'africa', and crapple) on a crown comp a punishable offense -- Then! news.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 14:33 mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody cares about, https://archive.is/lh93u << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571816 << betcha they're still 100% winblowz shop tho.
trinque: I'll have the page updates being fired via db trigger. I just don't do this "lets regenerate every page of this book every time the page is read" anymore.
Framedragger: maybe i'll get the opportunity to organize a party in the next 20 years. would be grand.
Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_4_53927 <\
mircea_popescu: Let's also note that such a thing as "the direct trust" of X for Y can not even be noted down in the first place, it being entirely a subjective determination of X, and consequently wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen applies. "
mircea_popescu: "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer's confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four.
mircea_popescu: lettuce quote doctrine at the youth.
asciilifeform: imho one's wot ought to be kept, ideally, clear of 'who-the-fuck-is-that'-s.
asciilifeform: which none of the above folx do.
asciilifeform: the one case i can see for keeping 'corpses' around is if they have sigs, that still stand somewhere from your pov
asciilifeform: in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, regarding whether a gpg contract was broken, and by whom. but i guess since he doesn't seem like being motivated to present his story in one take, instead of passive-aggressively reminding people of the story by hints, it's a bit derp.
mircea_popescu: apparently microsoft gets institutional contracts through bribing the local politicians, who could have guessed.
mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody cares about, https://archive.is/lh93u << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: since i'm fiddling around with postgres for work anyway, i'm curious, if you find a moment, could you maybe send me the postgresql.conf file on phuctor's machine? i'd take a look (it's very possible you know much more re. what's needed there, but i'm just curious about a coupla parameters, doesn't hurt to check)
mircea_popescu: ah these are exciting times
trinque: nodes in the svg are hyperlinks nao, thickness indicates rating value
BingoBoingo: It'll be like Elliot and the staircase on a mass scale!
BingoBoingo: OMG concrete dust on THESE jeans!
mircea_popescu: with what money, with all their apple stock that could buy russia ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd totally see trump go on tv first day of term and say "all us college degrees are utterly worthless anyway, so nobody should have to pay back anything to anyone for them."
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : total student debt in the us is 1.25 trn. ie - more than bannon's trillion.
scriba: responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] <mircea_popescu> ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the
mircea_popescu: which is how the whole "jews invented sluttery so hardworking redditards don't ~get~ a^H THEIR woman!"
mircea_popescu: mkay, so working class usians want the us to be more like argentina, ie, poor and stupid but monolithic in the poverty of stupidity. "they'll be happier".
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: not horribru, but it totally seems like they had a decent idea and then didn't really know what to do with it.
mircea_popescu: in other news i watched blackmirror.nosedive.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was just a campus. << There are cities named bloomington in Illinois and Indiana, both bloomingtons have campuses. neither are anything special
mircea_popescu: in which sense, of course they're at least scared of trump. and of course he's "the rapist". forcing change in the passive subject, irrespective of said subject's spinny ruminations - intolerabru!
mircea_popescu: they wish not merely to be personally insured against the situation where the owner of capital forces them to subjectively change - they wish for this to not happen, anywhere, ever. because if it doesn't happen anywhere ever, it's not even that they're retards (literally, infantile minds trapped in adult bodies), but "just how things are". the normalisation of neoteny is the fundamental point of regulation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571699 << and incidentally, this is also the deep font of all that love for "regulation". it's exactly what ballas correctly identifies as defense against change.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re public fucking - it's good for the soul, what's to be "into". public fucking, public speaking, public dying, it's all human nature.
asciilifeform: 'choose,' said the chieftain, 'death, or bunga-bunga.' (tm) (r) (somewhere)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, the old idiocies 'xt' and 'classic' were simply renamed
asciilifeform: waitasec i though he was ~author~ of the segfuckery
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as liberal narcissism.
mircea_popescu: see, booth WAS a liberal. these dorks are conservative.
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they didn;'t shoot him amirite.
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/zw2bw << lulz from above fishwrap. mr.t's vp goes to theatre, is heckled ~by the actors~ )
Framedragger: heh. labour theory of value for reddit: i spend hour at reddit while you spend hour at reddit at work - why we unequal
asciilifeform: and american-style liberasty is simply the indignation of one set of redditors that the other is paid, while they - not
asciilifeform: (and often there is considerable time on literal reddit etc. involved.)
Framedragger: i do see the general parallel, sure..
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so lost.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: most folx in usa working 'office job' are not doing anything considerably different, in aesthetic or even results, than reddit click
mircea_popescu: not a matter of easy or hard. a mater of separating vocation from avocation and your imortal soul from the fucking commerce spiel.
Framedragger: i'm sure that making say decent artisan boots ain't fuckin' easy at all. (sure, working as a knob in a large factory is another thing - though i'd like to see redditards sweat many hours a day at factory and not call for mommy)
mircea_popescu: they're UBERconservative, so fucking self-protective it boggles anyone's mind.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole fucking point. liberals ? NIGGA WHAT ?!?! nobody is a liberal, the last one died in siberia.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think money does it. they charge like 20 bux a head (yes, same for male or female, SAME IF ALONE etc!!1), but i think i'm on the list mostly because they're petriscared of me. it isn't open to the general public.
mircea_popescu: plus a few public servants, plus a few occasionals who have been bringing their WIFE who is also their sunday slave once a few months for years.
asciilifeform: roughly what sort of bag of money was needed to get in the door ?
asciilifeform: was showing up to this gig somehow 'expected', what, officemates in the dept. of derpland seekoority would make fun of d00d who didn't show ?
mircea_popescu: but back to the issue : they want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway AND STRICTLY THAT.
mircea_popescu: which bdsm sould be exactly about NOT, but hey, let common people get involved in things, the things will look like common people.
mircea_popescu: and herding animals will go wherever there's herding safe spaces.
mircea_popescu: because they're into herding.
mircea_popescu: he couldn't as much as take their fucking knickers off because omaygerd amarisho!!1
mircea_popescu: i could have told mine to jump off the fucking balcony. she would have.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with social hierarchies without social basis : they corrupt, fundamentally. the "leader" becomes the servant.
mircea_popescu: all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse.
mircea_popescu: mno. you'd think at the very least he'd fuck them, but... no. he... masturbated them.
Framedragger: or making girls fuck so he can observe them?
mircea_popescu: a dude "won" like three of the derpy adolescentine chicks, for an absurdly astronomical amount (literally, just his supposed bids overstate activity on that website by a factor of more than 100).
mircea_popescu: because hey, selling the dumbasses for actual money would expose a) their collective poverty and b) force change. so they use tokens, which supposedly come "from activity", ie like reddit gold, but in practice are a transparent ploy to enforce a social hierarchy without social basis. ie, EXACTLY ycombinator.
mircea_popescu: so yesterday i went to a bdsm vip party. this consists of about a hundred people in a hotel rented for the purpose. i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. i took up a loft, with a nice view on the people below, cropped her lightly, fucked her and had a good time. while all this was going on, in a different place they were having an "auction" based on tokens from some dumbass website they have.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea << linked here last night. i left a webirc thing in there. total: 1 click. and 0 words.
Framedragger: the thailand plan intuitively attracts more, true..
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh, i hear you, i've no love there. but some smart people still hang out there. but, yes, naivete of the youth, i submit that i've nothing to show until i've something to show
asciilifeform: the hn, reddit, etc. bots+meatpuppets collectively sum to 0 imho.
mircea_popescu: since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: what isn't clear to me is that we lose anything thereby
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you can try, our material generally lasts 1-2 hrs. there.
Framedragger: i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest.
asciilifeform: actually this may well be. and this train of thought has gone off the cliff of asciilifeform's very, very limited experience with the Expertly Sad demographic.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear the general population knows it's not edible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because even the dull know that bitcoin cannot be magicked out of the aether.
mircea_popescu: they could have sold fucking ebooks about how to make money, like all the other shit they do. what is an "infoproduct" and why doesn't this qualify ?
mircea_popescu: in one trip. with all the oversight of looking over two times over six minutes.
asciilifeform: btw the same folx who spat on eulora coin -- happily jumped through 1,001 hoops to participate in pyramids on tardstalk etc. because, i suspect, they are not actually stupid, and pyramid offers the dull an opportunity to ~scan next level down~. whereas they could not see where greater fool is to come from at eulora.
mircea_popescu: same thing could have been done by the built-in bot.
mircea_popescu: the few dudes who actually worked this dragged the fucking load BY HAND making DOZENS of trips. in spite of being told to read logs and read wiki.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this.
mircea_popescu: which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well".
mircea_popescu: but anyway - at issue is not what is claimed / appears to be at issue. at issue is that people want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway, and not, for any reason, njot ever, be paid to change what they do or how they do it.