Framedragger: right, right. and also the whole "incompetence ~= malice" thing.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the way hannoboecks work is that they will pick a trivial but 'glamorous' problem to 'solve' and score 'cred' with rubes thereby
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess all this gives a very interesting answer to the "how does tmsr gpd compare to fiat states gdp". apparently they produce 2 gpgrams/year/capita, and consist of what, 1k of the herbivores ? meanwhile ben_vulpes 's thing deals in what, dozens/day ?
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy piece; somehow the species of insect was quite apparent imho from 1-2 paragraphs of merely the style of the text !
mircea_popescu: that's kinda what they do, whenever something moves without hitler they try to barnacle on it.
mircea_popescu: notice how he glued himself to heartbleed (which, unlike the normal hanno bockian crap, was a surprise to the empire).
mircea_popescu: hurr durr, they were doing pgp subversion research and picked his hanno bock to publish some results.
mircea_popescu: schmucks really came a long way from the 80s. srsly, consumer-mentality based fud "oh noes, i worry about my key! government should come and give me certainties! putin influenced elections! guns kill people!"
shinohai: Their "Crypto Expert" or whatevs
mircea_popescu: oh, he's trying to sell whatever other nsa altpgp. myeah, whatever.
mircea_popescu: "I never ever ever successfully used the WoT to validate a public key." ie what we do here multiple times a day ?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-11 20:26 mircea_popescu: no, i'm implying that nobody in plato's cave knows how badly the cave sucks until someone comes in riding a pegassus
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-11#1554678 << In practice dragging someone out of the cave usually results in temper tantrums.
mircea_popescu: trinque apparently this was the first time you commented under that name. i dunno, i thought i saw you before. anyway, should go straight through next time.
mircea_popescu: Ehrsam wrote: "There is nothing that bitcoin can do which Ethereum cant." << aha. bwahahah. how about not falling over every week ?
BingoBoingo tried a couple drafts on the fake news about pedo pizza being "attacked" and decided not to spread unconfirmed rumours and innuendos about what smells like a false flag
asciilifeform: kfree(). We then have a use-after-free... '
asciilifeform: '... we can change the packet version to TPACKET_V1 with packet_setsockopt() after init_prb_bdqc() has been executed and before packet_set_ring() has returned. ... When the socket is closed, packet_set_ring() will not delete the timer since the socket version is now TPACKET_V1. The struct timer_list that describes the timer object is located inside the struct packet_sock for the socket itself however and will be freed with a call to
asciilifeform: ' The bug was introduced on Aug 19, 2011: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f6fb8f100b807378fda19e83e5ac6828b638603a '
asciilifeform: ^ a bit unusually, appears to have actual attribution of the shitgnomancy
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/vk30h << in other noose, ohnoez, fake noose, fake noose! d00d fires into ceiling of pedopizza.
ben_vulpes: does the lispy lordship have opinions to share about cl extension libs like "alexandria" and "metabang-bind"?
trinque: right re: immutable, hence there is no extensibility proposed
asciilifeform: trinque: the fundamental question i want to answer, and which the linked piece was an attempt to answer, was whether signatures naturally fall into equivalence classes.
asciilifeform: trinque: v was a solution to the 'shared mutable'
trinque: as I pondered the thing it also brought from the dark recesses of my mind the "semantic web"
trinque: asciilifeform: what benefits are reaped by having these be computable, rather than http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-1.txt
asciilifeform: imho many of these hazards come from scalar-sig
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/05/the-sentiments-of-grass/ << Ossasepia - The Sentiments of Grass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the tor enthusiasts will buy fuckgoats.
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, asciilifeform got a small thermovisor as bday gift, and it sorta worx, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_shitter.jpg << shitter tank water clearly visible; http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_taps.jpg << hot vs cold taps
pete_dushenski: so it was an unseasonably balmy 0C here on saturday and now it feels like... -27C with wind and humidity. this is a Good Thing. feels more like xmas time when bundled up, drinking tea by the fire, shoveling walks, or driving slowly through the ice and snow.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/vT63P << other other from same : "Microsoft is working on a patch for a bug or feature in Windows 10 that allowed access to the command line and, using a live Linux .ISO, made it possible steal BitLocker keys during OS updates. The command line interface bypasses BitLocker and permits access to local drives simply by tapping the Shift and F10 keys."
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 Start Height a success, will report results with African and further key imports later
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/IdkiM << in other intel wonders, the reason your 'uberfast intuhnet' is laggy is becuase of 'high-priority maintenance tasks hogging the processor, causing latency to increase by at least 200ms' in the puma 6 (atom x86) equipped boxes, eg. Arris Surfboard SB6190, Hitron CGNV4, and Compal CH7465-LG
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:04 asciilifeform: the folx who got 100MB/sec from /dev/random were the mac people, and it leads me to suspect that theirs is in fact == to /dev/urandom
asciilifeform: for instance, it demands RDRANDtronic quantities ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577952 ) of rng, and -- if only finds a traditional linux /dev/random, the kind that weeps a few bytes/sec -- complains loudly...
asciilifeform finished, afaik, swapping all of the mpex links on nosuchlabs to new .biz
mircea_popescu: what, countries on the internet ? seriously ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who would be idiotic enough to use "country" domains like .uk (afaik you can't even do that, gotta get subdomaons off their holy site "co") or .ro etc.
asciilifeform: Nominet suspends domains when law enforcement agencies tell it the domains are being used in crime. No court order is required and Nominet rarely refuses a request.'
asciilifeform: from same rag: 'Statistics released today show that the .uk registry suspended 8,049 domains in the 12 months to October 31, compared to 3,889 in the year-ago period.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Nonsuch Palace - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsuch_Palace>; Henry VIII's lost Nonsuch Palace recreated 300 years after it was ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050919/Henry-VIIIs-lost-Nonsuch-Palace-recreated-300-years-destroyed.html>; Nonsuch Palace - The Epsom and Ewell History Explorer Website: <http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/NonsuchPala
mircea_popescu: in other lulz
asciilifeform: 1 sc4mz0r to rule'em all, and in the darkness BIND'em, etc
asciilifeform: 'A buffer overflow occurs in zipinfo (part of the unzip package) when the compression method in the central directory file header is greater then 999'
mircea_popescu: k and the rest to malacca. hence ~dutch~ east indies and british north america.
mircea_popescu: to insanely stretch comparison : it could be said the sovereign prince of orange was a sort of stalin to dewitt's lenin. yes, both soviets, but not very equal soviets - one somewhat cooler than the other ; and so the brits picked the one which was closest to their capacities and aspirations, which is to say the uncool one ; and similarly the products of the dutch republic split their energy - the shittier ones went to new yor
mircea_popescu also doesn't think the bovine new world female, with the big face, ugly fat lips and tiny eyes is particularly attractive.
asciilifeform: wai newyork in place of newamsterdam then ..?
mircea_popescu: ie, alligned with tmsr and generally righteousness ; rather than the "equitable" imperial idiocy then embodied in the brits.
mircea_popescu: the dutch-british comparison is actually very apt and very instructive. two samples : at the time of their war with the united provinces, the dutch could outproduce the british about 6:1 ; at the time the tulip craze blew up, dutch courts told all aplicants "sfyl" quite literally.
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i say "don't have these problems but others" i specifically mean as evident in sexual behaviour (cue that "scandal" when sarkozy took some random woman to random event and the london-based journo-hos had a collective aneurism and kept blathering about how they'll bus supporters over)
mircea_popescu: (it should be pointed out the french blackened many times before)
asciilifeform: because 0 thefrench left
mircea_popescu: seems on the balance of things more likely to be fallout from the haphazard "quick, create an ideology to back up this dude's wan to get a new hussy"
asciilifeform: last i heard, 'the french' are blackening and eating Moar Kouskous
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not, because incredibly enough the french actually don't have these problems (but others)
mircea_popescu: the simple notion that i shall read the string X as /y" rather than /z" because the entity labeled X "knows how their name is spelled", for instance, is exactly of the nature of "you must include X in your item because Y law" ; or of the "sexual harassment" ; or of ALL OTHER THINGS.
mircea_popescu: the whole perceptible structure of perceived reality, actually.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar the reader is with early us colonial history - but the british uniquely pretended that all trade must go through british warehouses. in london. they kept laoding and unloading things. so they can be taxed. exactly like the notion that an imaginary "right" of someone to something may require me to do specific things. ie, the fritz chip.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the point remains - it could be argued the actual driver for currently perceptible idiocy is not sin (ie, redditards, 1993 aol, etc) but apostasy (ie, "ip", british notions of what the crown may do to commerce, etc)
mircea_popescu: there exists no permanent effect in nature.
asciilifeform: what was the permanent effect of this victory ?
mircea_popescu: (but there is also the case of the dutch raid when they literally burned down london - except in a strange case of premonitory japanese misbehaviour, failed to bomb the right thing. this is in the logs.)
mircea_popescu: it can then be said that what exactly " brave Landeskinder sein" means is chiefly driven by what/who is "mein König und Held".
mircea_popescu: once there's a "king", in the english tradition, who can do patently idiotic stuff such as require "bonded warehouses" (look it up) and "control trade" (please, do look it up) then "property" of a sort emerges. by contrast, in dutch world, where no such king and no such layered idiocy thereby, also property. but substantially different property.
mircea_popescu: and now, on the thread of this analytic approach, i may present the theory that the problem aren't the idiot consumers, but very specific opression of the english sort upstream.
asciilifeform: kreinin's piece is imho quite relevant, it is about the consequences of the ~wrong things being cheap~. and i cannot help but wonder if gutenberg did the same thing to the written word
mircea_popescu: this very neatly mirrors the pub, drunks observation, and for very much the same reason. the driver's the same oppressive attitude upstream.
mircea_popescu: (vaguely related, mp's grandmother once recounted the observation of one of her highschool classmates, who pointed out that they (the girls in school) should be more respectful of the prostitutes, because if it weren't for them (the prostitutes) none of them (the girls, in school) would be (girls, in school)."
mircea_popescu: i mean i've been toying with it in pieces such as "what's the tmsr gdp", which is very much exactly the same thing as discussion here, but anwyay.
asciilifeform: you get the cost of mircea_popescu's dinner. as per the thread. where 'idiot rube cannot buy mircea_popescu's dinner, prepared by enthusiastic harem, for any moneys'
mircea_popescu has been on a "pricing in tech" mental kick for the past half hour, so i was looking at that angle.
asciilifeform: which is why i said 'martian tech we'd like to know about.' so, if mircea_popescu knows how to 'undo vlsi' and mass-manufacture individual transistors again, instead of cpu, and put'em together how he likes ~later~, and have result resemble pentium more than univac -- then, for instance, yes, cultural form
mircea_popescu: "the place where you drink" or "the public house" aka "brothel", ie, the place where disorderly (as per anglican/puritan definitions of order) is tolerated, ie, a tolerance house ?
mircea_popescu: so : if you change the convention, your objects become undefined. what's "a processor" ?
mircea_popescu: the removal of drunks doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with "pubs" and also "a drunk" is not the same drunk.
asciilifeform: ^ the charitable interpretation might be that some of its operating costs are externalized
mircea_popescu: in the russian world, where drunks do exist, but the drinking place (which is NOT a pub, even if translated as such because what you gonna do) is supported by a social conventionthat has nothing to do with drunkedness
mircea_popescu: in the english world, where drunks and pubs exist, and the observation re pubs existing because drunks, not because sunday drinkers holds, there are a number of objects defined, such as the fact that a pub is really a public house (which is relevant if for instance you wonder why it should need or want a permit to exist).
mircea_popescu: let's work on the drunk dudes in pub construction.
asciilifeform: i disagree. if you remove the lolcat users, you get 10,000x unit cost. unless you have martian tech we'd all like to know about.
mircea_popescu: it could be cpu costs a dime or a testicle, the issue of price is ulterior in this discussion, makes about as much sense as "the utilty of the sun"
mircea_popescu: and this is broadly the point - to transition to better culture.
asciilifeform: re konsoomer, dan mocsny had analogy involving a pub, where the 'normal' folx mock the drunks, without realizing that the pub could not exist in anything like its present form without their open wallets
asciilifeform: i'll point out that konrad zuse built a very acceptable comp out of junk discarded by nazi germany, in mother's kitchen.
mircea_popescu: nor is it clear that without the konsoomer the field would be asciilifeform-accessible anymore than hillary's hairy snatch or the satellite launching programme.
asciilifeform: the 'konsoomer' wrecked the entire field, and it is not clear to asciilifeform that it can be unwrecked with current tech.
mircea_popescu: the probnlem of pricing in technology is indeed large.
mircea_popescu: you skipped the good part, which is : "If you are indeed a chip maker, this is when you find out why fabless chip companies are worth so much more than the equally fabless vendors of "IPs" such as CPUs and DRAM controllers.".
asciilifeform: 'A chip can have 2 processors with 8-byte buses each, going to a DRAM giving you 16 bytes per cycle, through a shared 8-byte-per-cycle bottleneck. This interconnect is the handiwork of some time-starved dude on the chip maker's team, armed with an interconnect-generating tool. Even such an idiotic issue will manifest on some benchmarks but not others, and might not get caught at design time. And if you think that is stupid, I've hear
asciilifeform: probably the board, or the boot code programming DRAM-related components in a way that doesn't work on this board.'
asciilifeform: '$100 says your DRAM chip works. The DRAM chip is a mindless slave implementing precise commands by the DRAM controller on the master chip, without any feedback - there are no retries, no negotiation, no way to say you're sorry. And no software will run properly on faulty DRAM. Faulty DRAM isn't a marketable product. Your board is definitely buggy. They told you they checked signal integrity, but they lied. If DRAM malfunctions, it's
mircea_popescu: (or in other words - the notion that unicode invented shitsoup is nonsense ; we had idiots before we had water pistol glyphs)
phf: i believe that was around the time i started reading asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: anyway at some point drop the link to the actual yosefk article you wanted to reference asciilifeform .
phf: erc also parses the url incorrectly, but ' is a valid character in url..
asciilifeform: btw the 'array of fpgas' thing is getting made, as soon as i'm satisfied that lattice 'ice' is ~actually~ reversed. and not simply 'kicad'-ed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of "won't run". your gf runs in the bedroom just as well as woman runs in gangbang party.
mircea_popescu: yes but the bitch is you can't actually know.
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: ie, how much and what kind of violonist is involved in the hardware making of future.
asciilifeform: see, there is considerable 'violinist' work involved.
asciilifeform: and besides wtf you route them in SECTIONS
mircea_popescu: anyway. management considers the solution available no sort of solution.
mircea_popescu: the problem of pcb routing will be solved by cow brains in jars or your own brain in jars. pick.
asciilifeform: or rather, cow-sized amoeba turd
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, the conceptual item solves two major open questions here in tmsr forum : a) "why is this proggy 100mb ?!?" "because it has 100mn datapoints in the ai massager, let it be" ; b) "why does this proggy want to call home ?" "because whenever you accept a design and put it in production, all other installations want to review the datapoint, it's valuable."
asciilifeform: ('deepblue scan' does not mean 'human committee played'... means that the playing was done the same way as asciilifeform does pcb autorouting.)
asciilifeform: *when they asked
asciilifeform: other pro players have been indefinitely delaywanked when asked to play afaik.
asciilifeform: INCIDENTALLY afaik the thing ~WAS~ a 'deepblue' scam
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: google (or rather, the firm it bought) had 0 original ai. it was 1990s-era techniques, they simply licensed the code and threw iron at it
asciilifeform: so i have nfi, perhaps the published designs were made with megatonnes of compensatory undergrad sweat...
asciilifeform: phf: i put in the sweat, actually learned to use geda, it is imho an acceptable design, and i found plenty of complicated items purportedly having been designed with it, but it is BROKEN, the autorouter blew open polygons
mircea_popescu: fror bonus points - steal google's go playing ai and modify it. the problem of routing is grid-discretizable.
phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.
mircea_popescu: ation of you know... all the "Solved problems" that aren't.
mircea_popescu: because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
asciilifeform: and for the motherfucking gui to NOT REDRAW CORRECTLY ON LINUX unless PRESS REFRESH KEY!
asciilifeform: and for the outputs to be unsynchronized.
asciilifeform: it is meant to be a tool in the hands of a man, is not a man-replacing robotic thing
asciilifeform: it is trash in the sense that it is physically impossible to autorout 100% of board
phf: same, though i was told by experienced cad people "autorouting is trash" early on, but soon discovered that they mean "for the purposes of my giant multiboard layout" not "everything that you'll be touching for the next 10 years of your learning"
asciilifeform: fucktards, for all of the man-hours on gui idiocy, SOMEONE could have implemented sane autorout?!
asciilifeform: iirc it itself was a holding co. and bought the proggy elsewhere.
asciilifeform: in fact, we had thread a while back re: how certain industrial equipment is now also 'subscription-only', has satellite dish and gets fresh firmware from mothership each day etc.
mircea_popescu: (and no - there are no whore exceptions. anyone involved in "open source" etc is a whore.)
asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)
asciilifeform: e.g., they bought (probably to annihilate) cadsoft, the maker of the ONE usable electronic cad proggy for linux
asciilifeform: way from selling perpetual rights to use a specific version of software, Autodesk will continually innovate and improve products and supporting services that customers subscribe to, allowing access from multiple devices at any time, making them easier to deploy and manage, and reducing file compatibility issues.' ( http://damassets.autodesk.net/content/dam/autodesk/www/campaigns/mfg-perpetual/end-of-perpetual-customer-faqs.pdf )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a
asciilifeform: they measure with analogue amperemeter, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'engine crackpots' such as they are found today, typically have not even heard of such a thing as calorimeter, because it is not sold in 'home despot'
mircea_popescu: or in the original greek, ὦ νέοι, ~ἀλλὰ μάχεσθε~ παρ’ ἀλλήλοισι μένοντες,
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: and so never actually got this passive "common trunk" "common sense" sort of knowledge about their chosen profession.
mircea_popescu: but they... they went to utah or w/e the fuck, and so never actually went to school,
mircea_popescu: which illustrates the fundamental problem with "self taught" or otherwise ignorant practitioners - every single fucking kid with an undegraduate degree from ro would have told the idiots that "oh, calorimetry ? and you got an outlier ? lolzk."
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 06:08 mircea_popescu: the odd truth is that electric engines are much better at small and high loads. the combustion engine has it's niche, but it's strictly car sized.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577534 << the petrol engine is not well impedance-matched with anything, even auto wheels on asphalt ! hence the 'hybrids' thing
asciilifeform: i collect stories like this, incidentally, because it is the #1 occupational hazard of inventing -- to 'fall in love with idea' and end up a sad basketcase, pons&fleischmanning your way into the bottle
asciilifeform: it is rather like to say 'i will light match and convert energy of petrol to heat 100%)
asciilifeform: (and the thing vibrates and destroys anything you might mount it on)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.niquette.com/books/sophmag/bourke.htm << for the engine-vs-thermodynamics afficionados. you surely heard of the famous bourke engine (2 two-stokes placed in a cross, with a double scottish yoke driving the shaft).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577526 << iirc if you were to actually measure OUTPUT horsepower on the shaft, the performance is about that of a steam engine...
asciilifeform: the folx who got 100MB/sec from /dev/random were the mac people, and it leads me to suspect that theirs is in fact == to /dev/urandom
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 23:38 mats: oops, this is actually the one i was looking at https://m.alibaba.com/product/60555752827/ESP8266-ESP8266EX-Wifi-Chip-with-SDIO.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.5.p7nmiv
mircea_popescu: no i mean, the "hiding" can't be done well.
asciilifeform: if you want to reverse the chip, theoretically 10,000,001 units of same chip and a microtome, is enough
asciilifeform: when 'moore's law' finally croaked, they switched to 'improvements' like this.
asciilifeform: they are used by well-funded reversers to do equiv. of 'cut this-here wire'
asciilifeform: and somehow put the top layer back on after that...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what means 'localized' ? it's the usual nsa core on cpu die
mircea_popescu would pay for an apu2 board to be destroyed if anyone wants to drill the fritz and report what happens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have that one in the room where i am now, it actually has the working cpu
asciilifeform: apu2 also theoretically boots with coreboot (there is no, incidentally, any other kind of bios available for it ) but it has a fritz chip and you cannot switch it off
asciilifeform: (forget who made the latter)
asciilifeform: anyway there were two and afaik exactly two makers of pc-compatible boards with the last, magical, amd g-series, and shipped full schematics.
asciilifeform: it is theoretically still in production, but every vendor i know of will attempt to bait-and-switch and spuriously substitute the 2015-and-post revision that will NOT.
asciilifeform: walter: afaik the last chip that worked 100% correctly on 'coreboot' was amd G-series 'APU'.
mircea_popescu: walter the scheme here proposed is that a project (linuxbios) which was useful on account of actually having drivers for extant hardware was killed by hardware maker conspiracy. on its now useless ruins, as it's dead, an idiot with a "sexual identity" political agenda tried to build a grassroot activism thing called libreboot ; and some unrelated packrats with a penchant for software try to build a cluttered warehouse called
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 12:52 mircea_popescu: in other news/lulz, http://www.lincolnks.org/Housing.html << apparently a lot of places in kansas and around kansas that have this free housing plots giveaway thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577727 << this is actually not uncommon in usa. the catch is that typically such 'freebies' come with encumberments.
asciilifeform: for all i know, d00d specifically wants the attempted infector in that rar!!111
asciilifeform: it's the whole thing iirc.
asciilifeform: but lol, why didja think i posted the ami.rar.
asciilifeform: if there was such a thing, asciilifeform never saw it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am pretty sure that the one actually had cache and the other had more than a dozen items last i looked. but that was a while ago.
phf: which happened when people born close or on 1990 became sufficiently aware to start wrecking havoc around 2015 or so, outside of their 2005 ghettos (like myspace, etc.)
asciilifeform: '3rd wave' will be when they get subsaharan africa on the net via 'google translate', perhaps
phf: was also sort of a lul after adjustment and recovery from the eternal september, i.e. aol of '96 and yahoo of '99. i think we are now in the aftermath of the second wave of the eternal september
walter: cannot download anything from http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.jetway.com.tw/CODE/ because it links to the original FTP server
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 << also 2005 (if you search the logs knowing what you're looking for) is a stand in for "decade of tail end of somewhat sane computing". linux on desktop hasn't wrecked the ecosystem yet, apple is selling unix boxes (and not phones), ibm is selling professional laptops, no reddit, no smartphone culture, no facebook, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're telling me ? i was in the phuctor team that found weak ssh keys back in my youth!
mircea_popescu: actually from the period also, iirc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, like the old finnish ftp search
mircea_popescu: though with the whole "transsexual" derpage, i dunno how much anyone cares.
asciilifeform: walter: 'libreboot' was/is a fork where some parasite stole and rebranded the thing
asciilifeform: it is not, for example, the fault of gentoo authors, that rms became a living mushroom and lifted not one finger to keep emacs from demanding dbus
asciilifeform: if you remove 'portage', you have, magic!111, working gentoo. but it is then ~same as just generic linux a la my pogo build.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 14:24 mircea_popescu: also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577762 << gentoo is in the sad place where it is because of 'portage' (the thing that attempts to automagically download tarballs of source and build deps in the correct order) , and the decay of the entire ecosystem of buildables, which isn't strictly to do with gentoo per se
mircea_popescu: guy running the mmnt thing
mircea_popescu: which gives me the idea to email aygi.
walter: if the source was distributed to various manufacturers then there are so many possible leak channels
mircea_popescu: anyway ; what i linked above is a period scrape of the original website (the way this leak worked was the whole pile was found on a poorly secured taiwan server of jetway) ; the mmnt.net site generally has all sorts of useful things.
mircea_popescu: as in, you can replace their fw with your own
mircea_popescu: iirc it was the uefi signing key that leaked
walter: I mean the leaked bios source
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 << 1) they boot with 'linuxbios' sans blobs 2) no intel ME or other fritzchip
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at first it looked like possibly a stack smash somewhere in there.
asciilifeform: in other noose,
mircea_popescu: (alf would have liked this one, the rats live so closely packed they have cultural constructs re intramural participation in sexual congress - the woman is offended but subverts it as normalcy. OF FUCKING COURSE the "next door neighbour" would play music to go with our intimate discussions. this is soviet america and the walls are thin!)
mircea_popescu: total fucking casual-boner-archy that thing, and utterly unwatchable. i used to mock romanians a decade ago as "o populatie cu mize mici" ie, a population with low stakes. but lawds have mercy, the hopes, aspirations, projects and projections of the contemporaneous ustard (stanford grad & waitress-journaho) barely cover a used bottlecap.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this thing had drew barrymore playing a 31yo intern (who, of course, was also a stanford graduate, and worshipped the new york SENTINEL! under the pretense that the new york times is you know, more than http://trilema.com/2016/тошно/#comment-119992 ).
mircea_popescu: in which vein, /me watched a half hour of something last night, because i tried to do a christina applegate retrospective. holy shit that girl has been in all the shitty snl derivative crap. how do these idiots even live, how do they get out of bed ? that ben affleck imbecile, he's like baudoinia, blackening the walls of anywhere alcohol is customarily found. unfunny as cancer, stupid as broken shoelaces, ubiquitous as a sac
BingoBoingo: Up with the CasualBoner-Archy
mircea_popescu: down with the patriarchy.
walter: and then somehow to generate a key _properly_
mircea_popescu: normally freenote boots you off others' names.
mircea_popescu: anyway, register key, can then self-voice.
mircea_popescu: check it out, you weren't late to the party after all ?
mircea_popescu: i just don't grasp the logic is all.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ? << ty fxd
mircea_popescu: we really should systematize the "box verification" thing, with a view to actually certify hardware configurations.
mircea_popescu: also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
walter__: considering the horrible situation with x86 laptops I wonder if Asus C201 (again from the Libreboot compatibility list) is "the cure"
walter__: but that would be going even further back in history
walter__: my other guess was the idea was to hunt the last machine with a CPU without microcode updates
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's what "2005" means in this context, "when lenovo got the brand".
walter__: although according to asciilifeform Libreboot can burn the machine
mircea_popescu: which turns out to be a much higher bar than the general population realises, and experimentally reduces to the various thinkpads of the end of ibm / start of lenovo era.
mircea_popescu: walter__ the 2005 was just a reference to something i mentioned, iirc in a discussion with asciilifeform ; it's not an exact date (fwiw i use ts etc). but the idea is - a laptop which runs with no binaries whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: in other news/lulz, http://www.lincolnks.org/Housing.html << apparently a lot of places in kansas and around kansas that have this free housing plots giveaway thing
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/тошно/#comment-117990 << in commentary to the recent and inexplicable fire in sf.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ?