mircea_popescu: it's ever only used as a cheap mocking post, see. gotta frame the modern story in some sort of context,
mircea_popescu: kinda what "traditional society" actually means, if the term is used properly. and why derpage eg in the us re "traditional marriage" is so hysterical. really, TRADITIONAL ? mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mircea_popescu: which is why eg. the notion of "consent" is entirely baffling. what do you mean, ivan should ask natasha. ask her WHAT THE FUCK ?!?! whether she IS a woman ? he can damn well see that ?
mircea_popescu: in the world in which he lives, you ARE things ; you don't DO things.
phf: i'm not sure i get it. perhaps the idea is that the plot is constructed from conclusions backwards, rather than as a chain of causes and effects resulting in an outcome, then conclusion. so the setup is restricted by what actions hero must perform or what other kind of allegory
mircea_popescu: my idea is that it being an ontology (as distinct from and very much opposed to a technology) such is entirely out of the question.
phf: probably not, requires a descent/ascent into the cave for the development of hero's journey. so couldn't keep it in his private study or kept some complicated opsec routine with fake needles and multiple storages and rotations, because that would take it out of realm of mythical
mircea_popescu: phf asciilifeform as per your understanding of folk logic, could Кощей have kept the needle anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, we agree : hang in there.
mircea_popescu: r. it is STRICTLY because young people lived on the dole much more than old people ; and so believe more in dole. many of them for complete lack of any understanding whatsoever that "milk doesn't come from supermarket" and equivalent.
mircea_popescu: "Most people in the world are good, and want to be good to each other. Whether they vote that way or not, far more Americans believe in progressive, liberal, inclusive views than regressive, aggressive, conservative ones. Young people know this better than anyone, because young people are overwhelmingly liberal, even more than older people. Thats not because youre inexperienced its because youre right." << hur
mircea_popescu: leftards always go in general about bahamas. name the fucking item he did right, ever. what was it.
mircea_popescu: "but we did fix most of it" AHAHAHAHAHA omfg. name ONE THING mulatto-in-chief fixed. i wish to hear this wonder, the one item.
asciilifeform: hey that doesn't differ so much from rest of the shitware industry now does it.
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well".
mircea_popescu: that said, he does have stroing support in the sprawling i-wanna-be-a-writer collective, which may actually contain 10k who can part with $10 a year (if not the same 10k each year, still) ; and if he keeps a tight lid on costs it may well work.
mircea_popescu: such is the rule at say alphabet ; microsoft ; etcetera.
mircea_popescu: heck, if they LOSE money slower than the whole shebang loses money the people involved tend to be promoted
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/08/the-impossible-chances/ << Ossasepia - The Impossible Chances
phf: actually promisetronic to the max, since you don't even have to surrender the photo. something about the Polaroid part implies that you're not live streaming it to pornhub
mircea_popescu: the argument is not without some merit, legions of 1960s aspie hos were flattered by the "unique, just like you" gate to pornography.
phf: asciilifeform: they are popular at dodgy events, because "only copy"
asciilifeform: http://www.polaroid.com/products/onestep-600-instant-camera << holy fuq i had nfi these were still made. i have only ever seen'em at junk shops
asciilifeform: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-magic-of-polaroid-and-how-i-rescued-it-from-oblivion/ << linked somewhere from mircea_popescu's random
mircea_popescu: in other random, http://www.thejohnwilkesclub.com/2013/07/23/revisiting-the-essay-on-woman-scandal/
mircea_popescu: "In 2003, massive cabals of Enviro-whiners are suing petroleum companies for contaminating the global environment with methyl tert-butyl ether. MTBE was the "oxygenate" for which Enviro-whiners massively sued petroleum companies, demanding it be added to gasoline. MTBE is an EPA priority carcinogen. Enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly." << quite exactly how the bullshit works, and worked, in all parts.
mircea_popescu: i'm happy to report the auto-archiver works!
asciilifeform: (they, funnily, are all on the man's www, but not indexed, every time i grep the local copy and look for same filename on his www, it's there...)
asciilifeform: they are all pretty great imho.
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those west coast things that'll burn down in a final, desperate attempt of the participants to make the evening news, is it ?
asciilifeform: (that-there ad infinitum)
asciilifeform: wai am i looking at this-here set of nobodies instead of that-there
mircea_popescu: i have no interest in the misguided speculations of reddit as such, they're not a demographic as much as a random number machine.
asciilifeform: or how about the folx who bought into btc just in time to get nailed by mtgox
mircea_popescu: the discussion here was from the get-go limited to "engineering" "intellectual" "bright minds".
mircea_popescu: because... let this sink in, ~~~BECAUSE~~~ the alt-turds offered a ready, indefeasible excuse to NOT seriously invest, to the degree of starving the children.
asciilifeform: same reason why the bitcoinists bought $2/btc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same folx happily blew their money on $2 (etc) alt-turds
mircea_popescu: what sort of idle knowledge this is and whom it serves we shall not discuss ; but it does make them inept for life.
mircea_popescu: the problem with smart kids who have the misfortune to be born to english speaking whores is that they're taught to not want to rape anything.
asciilifeform: but i also see no reason to think that the mega-wealthy folk publicly advertised their stashes
asciilifeform: quite truly i have nfi what precisely happened before i tuned in ( and even during; the record is not so great )
asciilifeform: you mean the avaricious idiots who insisted on 'investing' in imaginaries ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ~none of the early bright minds are rich now.
asciilifeform: 'I wrote this email recommending bitcoins to Dmitry on June 18th, 2011, I hope he is rich now, since Bitcoins are up 4000% since then...' << a particle of lultronium from the comments
mircea_popescu: the dispute is "computable"!
mircea_popescu: not so. what if i happen to be running the first and you end up my main bitch ?
asciilifeform: the fitness value of getting into the first black van that offers the proverbial candy -- is computable.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's wrong re "negative survival value". the fitness value (correct term) of bovine behaviour is uncomputable, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579116
asciilifeform: some of the people who recently lost money when MF Global stole it to cover some private bets it had made. They licked their wounds, complained bitterly, and then...went looking for another financial company—to be taken advantage of again. '
asciilifeform: re 'trust', oblig orlol, ' Trust is transactional: a person needs a reason to trust you, and you need a reason to trust that person. There is, however, such a quality as trustfulness: this is the property of small children, tame animals and, most unfortunately for them, many regular, salt-of-the-earth, mainstream Americans. It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse. It is being exhibited for all to see by
mircea_popescu files the "mp again picked the right horse" and forgets "internet archive" even existed.
mircea_popescu: built on "trust", the non-crypto, anon version of trust.
asciilifeform: the sheer...
asciilifeform: d perpetually accessible. It means preparing for a Web that may face greater restrictions. It means serving patrons when government surveillance may be on the rise. The Internet Archive is a non-profit library built on trust. Reader privacy is very important to us, so we don’t accept ads. We don’t collect your personal information. .... [snipped bs]'
asciilifeform: 'Dear Internet Archive Patrons, We need your help to make sure the Internet Archive lasts forever. On November 9, we woke up to a new administration promising radical change. This is a firm reminder that the Internet Archive must also design for change. So we set a new goal: to create a copy of our collections in the Internet Archive of Canada. This will cost millions. For us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private an
phf: ben_vulpes: that archive has like dozen of access points, half of them regularly disappearing, a project for a lisp aficionado would be to archive it before it disappears completely
mircea_popescu: for instance, everyone thinks of theymos as "tardstalk owner", except that forum was made by sirius ; and was quite acceptable before it went to shit.
phf: but so that it's not just noise, here's one thing that i used as a jumping point, http://foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/diff-sexp there's also a cmu archive of differs, including a working common lisp diff implementation (with a different output though) http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/src_cmp/0.html
mircea_popescu: most of the honest (as oposed to gavinous) people originally involved with the project went away quietly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand plox re the 'expired knowledge'
asciilifeform: neither i nor afaik anybody else knows what satoshi did prior to posting
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 21:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579283 << ben_vulpes please consider posting the example of this you ran into
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579309 << the amusing observation lying in wait is that the difference between satoshi-style design and tmsr-style design evidently is that in the case of the former a prototype is hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost all ulterior ideas are actual improvements ; wheres in the case of hte later a prototype is similarly hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity the thelema doods didn't put a card spade inside their figure, it'd have been a great gypsy-like icon
asciilifeform: phf: one problem is that all lisps running on x86 have 'heathen' state
phf: asciilifeform: i've seen people diff sexps for producing semi-automatic patches of live system. so like if you want to replicate the image code state across machines, can rig up some not-for-reading dumper
mircea_popescu: rather than being chased into... intellectual pursuits.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diffing sexprs is an attractive idea for other purposes but it still gotta ~work~ with your lisp (and all conceivable readermacroizations thereof, which is harder)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103&cpage=1#comment-3946 so we click on the "recommendation", find a 404. ty so much for recommending expiring licenses.
mircea_popescu: moreover, v is about people and therefore it must work on the closest-to-people juncture.
mircea_popescu: "my mom as i knew her died the moment she hooked up with her old associates and went back to stripping."
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, it does say "AS WE KNOW IT". clearly it's a knowledge problem not a being problem neh.
mircea_popescu: (argentina being one of the few places where used machinery is valued above same machinery new, perhaps on a derivation of the medieval "woman with children worth more, proven functional cuntperl implementation", it might even have made business sense to sell it.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose people who aren't me complained ? honestly i was half expecting they're actuallyoffering to buy mine.
mircea_popescu: ostensibly they'll park theirs right next to mine, we can get a diesel generator burning tailgate party going
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, local power co notifies me that "in order to continue providing high level of services" etc they'll be installing a gasoline backup generator, which will result in two "very short" power interruptions.
phf: for all other cases it'll ignore the lines that have whitespace changes, but if you make a change that has whitespace change on one line, and then substantial change on another line, that relies on new whitespace, then yeah you get borked formatting
phf: well, it's fundamentally different things, but for your purposes it'll be different when there's information in whitespace. like say it's a form that has text in it, and you modify text inside that form, ec.
ben_vulpes: is there a difference between ignoring whitespace and only examining the forms that changed?
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, lisp image. fwiw if you're trying to ignore whitespace (since you're going to lose that information in a sexp, unless you preserve that information, in which case you will have to patch it same way), then diff already does it: it's called ignore whitespace (-b or -w or -B depending on usecase)
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise.
ben_vulpes: i have a vault of them!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought you sold proggies for these, and was forced to use latest os etc
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:31 asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 12:33 mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D
ben_vulpes: "you know, if you can squeeze a tenth of a percent of a performance increase out of their chips over the course of your career there, you'll be sitting pretty with that dumptruck of printolade showing up at your house every two weeks!"
phf: probably because the first one can be imagined and verbalized, where's the second one once understood for what it is already happened. doesn't allow for much action, with shooting and adventures and stuff
mircea_popescu: funny (to me) how often "destruction fo known x" is an ontological rather than gnoseological matter.
phf: well, it being a scifi series achilles's immortality is one of the ways in which "quantum probability" something something "destruction of known universe"
mircea_popescu: this isn't how the greek lehmer sieve worked afaik.
asciilifeform: his destructor never called, he sits around in the heap...
phf: i recently finished reading olympus/ilium scifi series by dan simmons, where one of the lines is Achilles becoming immortal (in the unable to die sense) because Paris is killed before he can deliver the arrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's in the log.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ ?
mircea_popescu: no it's right there.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-burial-and-the-impossible-object/ << Trilema - The burial ; and the impossible object.
BingoBoingo: That poor house is set to become something other than level in a period of time that depends on local rainfall.
BingoBoingo: Not pliers, piers! The stacks of brick holding up the steel beams set on concrete piles from which surrounding dirt has been washing away.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways interesting detail was the giant hole in the foreground right next to the piers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the one linked earlier, is yours ?
mircea_popescu: actually the taiwan harpoons are pretty good.
mircea_popescu: pity there's no hats with pickled gerkins.
mircea_popescu: meh, this is worst anthem. wtf.
trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions
mircea_popescu: the similarities are striking, but i guess no humanities scholars left.
asciilifeform: there, and now.
asciilifeform: they also liked 'control'.
mircea_popescu: because as it is commonly the case, the only people who should still be here are the ones who died already.
asciilifeform: why interfere with these folx.
mircea_popescu: "you'll die" "so will you" "yes but i'll die happy" "so will i". go ahead and settle the dispute, good heavens.
mircea_popescu: lf I've put weight on and it was the worst thing that I have done and all for making other people happy!! If people are happy to starve themselves or make themselves sick then leave them be we dont need petty sly comments of people who have no idea what they are talking about."
mircea_popescu: "People who have never had an eating disorder won't understand and yet they still feel the need to comment on people telling them they are wrong well no, we arent. I had an eating disorder and it was the most happiest I had ever been, the thought of not eating and not even being bothered was good, I was in control of something and things were how I wanted them to be, I was happy and now I'm over that I'm not happy I hate myse
mircea_popescu: in your own terms : the problem is hidden under the definition of "intelligence" ; now intelligent has been re-defined to mean "whatever it meant before + good response to the scale method"
mircea_popescu: well if it worked then you could install a laughmeter on their ipad and any complaint of unhappiness would similarly be referred to the graph.
phf: (i had a good result with a scale before. "here's a scale, write your weight daily in this calendar, in fucking killos, what the fuck" then every single complaint is brought back to the data, if actually intelligent start noticing disparity. "i'm FAAAT but the weight went down by a killo in the past two months, wtf" etc)
phf: right, the healers in the comments are basically happy inmates, telling her that everything's going to be ok as long as she sticks to prescribed pill regiment
mircea_popescu: it's just therapy is almost never successful because it is almost never willing to address the actual core of the problem - which is society, specifically, the impossibility of intelligent youth controlling things.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of this entire anorexia/bulimia thing : the subjective misperception.
phf: well, right, even if the practices are solid the "and see" part is not going to work, because seeing is broken
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/another-spam-tipping-service-emerges-to-fill-invisible-void/ << Qntra - Another Spam Tipping Service Emerges To Fill Invisible Void
mircea_popescu: but that said - the article is plainly indicative of psychopatology of the systematizing persuasion ; whether it's actually clinically relevant or subclinical will have to be decided by the clinician attending the case.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, when the fuck is it "try AND SEE what happens" a criteria ? no, the excuses are always there, "marks are so unfair" blabla.
mircea_popescu: phf yes but i ignore those. the "be naked eating and watch yourself" thing is the clincher to my eyes, because WHEN the fuck does empire advise nudity ? never, not in "feel your boobs" public literature even
phf: huuh two thirds of these ana recommendations are basic food hygiene, and how i've been eating for most of my life. the rest is a bit over the top, but doesn't look particularly bad
asciilifeform: i toured a '5 bedroom' where each was the size of a large phone booth
asciilifeform: and ~0 leakage save for the occasional machete hero
asciilifeform: lolwut, they have whole west half of country corralled off for it, neh ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski maybe they were confused as to how "kid lick ton" translates into chinese ?
mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that given indirection layer, cubical sphere is entirely possible.
asciilifeform: more subtly, they teach rubes to want certain impossible things -- 'central namespace', 'reversible money', 'transparent email crypto', various follies, that can only be satisfied with their particular dope supply
mircea_popescu: imagine, you're not allowed to pick up a woman and fuck her ; you're required to pay someone to pick women and fuck them and film the process and pass it to you!
mircea_popescu is persuaded the whole story with imperial ideology is the mandatory indirection layer.
mircea_popescu: in brunei, porn is forbidden, fucking your wife is not ; in the us porn is acceptable, "marital rape" is a thing.
mircea_popescu: THEY WONT FUCKING YIELD. exactly 0 approach for the actual issues involved, no you can't own your body, no you can't want actualities ; please consider THIS approach to a purely symbolic relationship with reality. oh, "imagining yourself as a 3yo" won't do it for you ? ok, ok, there's other layers of indirection available! pick one! YOU MUST PICK ONE!
mircea_popescu: http://thinintentionsforever.blogspot.com.ar/p/pro-ana-tips.html << check out the think btw. the deep carnal nature of the disorder/"disorder" (really, eat naked in front of a mirror ?) and the purely symbolic approach of the self-appointed healers in the comment section.
mircea_popescu: glod, evidently cognate, is "dirt" in romanian. not so much as the generative mud but as unwelcome dirt.
mircea_popescu: notice that apparently, the tit goes last.
mircea_popescu: and in other thinspiration / ana : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/%D0%94%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F.jpg
asciilifeform: dunno that any of these folx have seen, touched, smelled real money.
mircea_popescu: THE MOMENT you slate august 9th for lavish banquet at astoria, YOU THEREBY ALSO slate unconditional surrender in any other case.
asciilifeform: theoretically same 'nothing' kept germany from surrendering in '43
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it.
asciilifeform: 'yield' means to go to same grave today instead of tomorrow. who the fuck yields.
mircea_popescu: and as per the "Won't fucking yield" disbelief, they'll go to their shallow grave kicking and screaming about how great the reich is and how black women matter or some dorkage.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us still pretends it doesn't know who or what the icbc is, as discussed last year and etc
phf: "reduce group risk weighted assets by about US$290 billion" ... "we will be selling our operation in Turkey. We’ll also be selling our operation in Brazil, but plan to maintain a modest corporate banking presence to serve about 300 international clients in Brazil. We are actually going to keep Mexico" ... "So we moved away from the World’s Local Bank" ... "We’ve exited 15 countries, reducing from 87 to 73 so far, and whole lines of
mircea_popescu: nato reich gradually being ghettoized, i dunno who the fuck will swallow this theory whereby you actually want to move banking out of brunei. what, world's richest state ? mmkay.
phf: "This is part of the group’s global review of businesses and represents a significant step in HSBCs goal to optimise its global network and reduce complexity outlined during the HSBC Investor Update on June 9, 2015." "optimise and reduce" huh
mircea_popescu: eh who's letting the soviets in. no, no. bank of china.
mircea_popescu: do you know the "why are you pulling that string" ?
asciilifeform: (incidentally almost every single nuthouse joke in existence is only half-funny to programmers, who live in it, in all of them...)
asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????'
asciilifeform: 'didn't we explain yesterday, that you are not an acorn? it's ok to walk in the park'
asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask:
asciilifeform: 'Next-Generation Firewall Security on your terms, with enterprise-speed protection at the edge of your network. Unified Threat Management Maximum performance and security in an all-in-one appliance with built-in headroom.' etc. etc.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated EDLionX 1 << One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX 1 One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date.
mircea_popescu: the notion is not so unlike "what if we diffed asts". it's a bad idea because now you want the "encoding".
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level?
mircea_popescu: grandfathers knew it.
mircea_popescu: you always want to pay in silver and be paid in gold. that's the rule ; that "nobody knows it" has little bearing.
asciilifeform: why would they store it ?
mircea_popescu: that they picked a specialist which handles bitcoin storage is not germane ; the rat also picked a specialist which handles the fats cycle, called a liver. this doesn't mean the rat dun eat, nor does it mean charcoal is cheese or vice-versa.
asciilifeform: if they actually sold the coinz on the waterfall, and reddit chumpers have it nao, how would you picture them to disgorge it back ?
mircea_popescu: mno. all fiat companies are the same company, call it the united states department of business fronts.
mircea_popescu: oh wait, the divisibility fallacy ? "the rat doesn't eat because the mouth doesn't hold on to any food!" ?
asciilifeform: any btc they get hold of goes straight to waterfall
mircea_popescu: an; they know this.
mircea_popescu: good money drives OUT the bad.
asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy?
Framedragger: i mean, it does seem pretty pathetic... plus, yknow, pay-"call me / charge me back some time"-pal
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of worthless dollars sloshing around. what was that ? i didn't... try hard enough to find the real place where they don't have meat in exchange for rubles ?
mircea_popescu: there are, after all, NYMS SIGNED IN
mircea_popescu: hey, im sure they could buy lithuania
Framedragger: i've joined about the time you asked about ppusd, getting reminded via nostalgia. there was no interaction as of yet :p
Framedragger: (well, 'alive' as in there are nyms logged in.)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ << Trilema - Sad times in the Fiat Empire - apparently you can't give the dollar away these days.
mircea_popescu: passive niche support is what the game is all about, because indirect effects overwhelm direct effects in nature.
mircea_popescu: just like men clean up their kitchen to ensure their survival, just so fungi dirty up the kitchen, to ensure THEIR survival, and of the rats, cockroaches and other elements of the same ecosystem.
mircea_popescu: kinda the deep reason smart people are so very hesitant to join anything. which is all the better - a divided elite is how the plebs get to pretend they matter.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: related: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the_new_macbook_pro/
asciilifeform: welcome, ben_vulpes , to the dour world of amd opteron et al, where 'working box is moarprecious than gold, because gold is merely an element in mendeleev table and you can always get more, but there will only get fewer boxes, and quickly'
asciilifeform: they are no moar.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 09:04 ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578956 << recall, they stopped making these recently. i literally bought ghe LAST one (2, actually, 1 for a relative)
davout: #trilema, the temple of bitcoin finance
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578953 << theoretically v works exactly same with any diffing algo. but if you keep more than one type around, you gotta distinguish'em somehow, e.g., call your sexpr vtron's patches 'foo.lpatch' or similar
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D
jurov: "vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level"
jurov: There's also possibility I misunderstood ben_vulpes, ofc.
mircea_popescu: ok, and so then when it did you learned something.
jurov: if it works for you, cool. every time i tried to forbid somehing, turned out I was the fool.
mircea_popescu: isn't this fundamentally the work of intelligence ?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; intel knows him, "one of the more accurate predictors of apple's earnings" ; guy's been announcing "apple building new company" bla bla for a year
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who beil cybart is ; but the article in question is spun copy, a notch under of the conceptual value of fanfiction and about on par with wikipedia articles.
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd definitely like to see such thing. otherwise i don't get this obsession with marking stuff "halal" and "haram".
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: in the merkel article, s/Germans having been taking/Germans have been taking/ ? :)
ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level?
mircea_popescu: ok so there you go.
EDLionX: but its confusing the heck outta me
mircea_popescu: i've never seen more reluctant male even among the actual mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to know, apparently the "hello i am joe of clan moe" is no longer taught in primary school.
asciilifeform: and everybody knows there is no such beast as genderless cat !!
asciilifeform: is this another eulora dirt-digger or what were those called