asciilifeform: fwiw i had a colleague who was in iraq and pointedly played 'call of duty: iraq' while there.
asciilifeform: it isn't that this is useless thing to study! but there is distinct flavour of 'why play 'doom', instead go to the recruiter post and go to afghan, die of scurvy and boredom'
mircea_popescu: nah it's safe, you get a trainer with you there.
asciilifeform: and generally done by folks who aim to buy the machine and have actual places to go in it etc
Framedragger: i don't know how it is in the .us and it's prolly *quite* a bit more complicated than that, also i had the lucky chance of having a relative who'd invite to fly with him and show me basic flight control stuff, but are you not able to get lessons as a total noob?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 11:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582462 << the other puzzler, where do i take space battle class !111111
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582456 << i sleep ad lib nao, thus far using it to make s.nsa output solidity rather than getting flattened in esoteric vehicles, but who knows, might go and do the latter also at some point
Framedragger: asciilifeform: except you're not paying for the full retail price of a harley, and you don't need to train for 10 years? :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << i can see this pov, 'instead of playing race game for a few hrs, i'ma buy harley and go to the desert and train for 10 years'
mircea_popescu: idiots keep giving new names to "the god who'll give me manna"
trinque: "I can create this smart-guy talisman and bless The People with my disembodied smart."
mircea_popescu: possibly the most amply researched stupid idea in the history of human science ; "is there life other than on earth" didn't receive 1% of 1% of the attention.
mircea_popescu: ? and the corporation ? and government regulation ? and ?" "dude go fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: kinda how the entire modern insanity came about. "oh, people are more productive when they THINK they're good, irrespective of how good they are" "yeah, but telling people who aren't good that they're good convincingly has a cost" "well, what if we try and arbitrage the delta-productivity from the first against the marginal-cost from 2nd ?!" "dude what" "no really, if we made all the tools really shitty ? and mass production
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for the novice in the sense of trying to lie to them about their inferiority, you are stuck with that lie and it gets ever more expensive to maintain"
Framedragger: the "UI/programming-language" juxtaposition is quite apparent when writing pl/pgsql. i dunno, it's a weird feeling.
Framedragger: "there are always leaks." yeah, i mean, no objections i guess.
trinque: when you try to design for the novice, you must leave essential parts of the problem out, then hope to hide it, inevitably failing.
trinque: the language was pulled in the direction of "user interface" by some, "programming language" by others, ended up neither.
Framedragger: (there's lack of general flexibility, it's full of baked-in developer-choices so to speak, etc.)
trinque: Framedragger: my criticism is that I specify what constitutes the relationship between customers and addresses each time I use the relationship.
trinque: rather than "select customers with addresses, ratings"
trinque: you make the view customers_with_addresses_and_ratings
Framedragger: can materialized views use joins in the way you want to? i haven't looked into them for some time, so dunno.
trinque: why the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik trinque is a great afficionado of the whole "db everything"
trinque: Framedragger: they are not equivalent
trinque: which brings me to my next point: no fucking seams in the internet db thing.
jurov: since the vim plugin is written in python, one needs to be wizard in both py and lisp to fix it
mircea_popescu: well by the time the libtards are done fucking emacs, it'll work better than it anyway.
jurov: asciilifeform: slime for vim is named slimv, i have tried it and it had almost all the functionality of emacs one... when it worked :( needs more eyeballs.
trinque: but it is what the web *ought* to have been made atop
mircea_popescu: and on this model, you can expose all the dbs directly.
Framedragger: as long as the 'check hash' operation is quick enough, otherwise DoS magnet (that's a very alf'y comment i guess)
mircea_popescu: this allows server to allocate all requests to hashes, and that's the "username"
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, auth should be handled via rsa. user passes api two variables : one is a request encrypted to its key ; the other is the request + a server-provided salt hashed.
mircea_popescu: mysql for isntance tries with their permissions model, but it's crud.
Framedragger: ^ just discovered this. "remove the CRUD", serve APIs directly from postgres. includes user/role/cookie management etc. pretty neat.
Framedragger: phf: thanks for pointing me in the right direction. scriba now reads log as byte sequence, tries decoding each line as utf-8, if that fails, then does latin-1. seems to be fine.
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
mircea_popescu: but if you think one's worth every penny, you prolly think the other's worth every penny too.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of routing, holy shit was the zx board a nightmare.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 04:54 asciilifeform: i also fucking ~loathe~ modal editors
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i know where he's coming from. all the kids excited about counterstrike gave me about the same impression originaly
davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
asciilifeform: davout: while you're awake i gotta ask, unrelatedly, re earlier thread! are decent joysticks for flight sims extinct? you're just the fella to know the answer
davout: some come built-in i think, some others you have to inoculate
asciilifeform: that being said, 'hell is other people's' elisp...
asciilifeform: i might like vi more if it weren't also associated in my head with the years i toiled as a sysadmin slave...
asciilifeform: i also fucking ~loathe~ modal editors
asciilifeform: and no decade+ of my elisp (e.g., hungry-arrows, why the FUCK should it take me >1 keypress to move across whitespace), etc
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 22:37 asciilifeform: it is an abominable editor, except when compared to the others.
ben_vulpes: 10.9 heathen beyond redemption utterlol
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582407 << i tried living in TECO at some point (they way i've done with a bunch of other text editors, like acme) and it was beyond even my patience. it's definitely an emacsism in a sense of "this part makes no sense, but that's how the elders did it, so stfu"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 01:35 ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582413 << they don't show it to me on 10.9, possibly because i'm now a heathen beyond redemption
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: have you thought about firewalling off the crapple upgrade servers ?
ben_vulpes: in other "shit rubros say"
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/tiimgreen/github-cheat-sheet#ignore-whitespace << because what i want is a diff program that doesn't show the whole diff
ben_vulpes: ('ooh it's 530 on a weekday and he's at the place where he last consented to upgrade xcode. maybe he's sauced enough to say yes this time!')
ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me
asciilifeform: http://www.finseth.com/craft << the actual megaclassic of the subj. i have it in dead tree, and did not know it were on www in proper text...
asciilifeform: though, reading the manual ( http://www.copters.com/teco.html ) it was apparently quite complicated, so perhaps -- not.
asciilifeform: mbers, punctuation, line feeds, control characters... Everything. But despite the utterly cryptic nature of it, it was good. It was very good. ...'
asciilifeform: 'A language designed to live in the paper-tape world had to have some major constraints. First, paper tape is slow. Really slow. And punching tape is a miserable process. So you really wanted to keep things as short as possible. So the syntax of TECO is, to put it mildly, absolutely mind-boggling. Every character is a command. And I don't mean "every punctuation character", or "every letter". Every character is a command. Letters, nu
asciilifeform: http://goodmath.scientopia.org/2010/11/30/the-glorious-horror-of-teco << in other emacsisms.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582084 << i was just thining about the happy accident that is mimisbrunnr spewing noise into the google hole
asciilifeform: the paper planescape?!
mircea_popescu has been playing planescape wiff gurl, cares not of the troubles of this world from his cloud o' bliss
ben_vulpes: antpool again with the weirdo block size variance
asciilifeform: esp. since they ~never move
asciilifeform: i dun need a 500MB process for keeping track of motherfucking windows.
asciilifeform: so far every alternative i've tried, incl. the author's later works, fell short.
asciilifeform: (even as text editor, i use it RELUCTANTLY, because there is literally no functional alternative for the sorts of things that i edit)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 21:44 trinque: the fuck is emacs going to do with *entirely blocking* threads ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582363 << same thing threads were supposed to achieve in bitcoin. idiot unix supplies such worthless nonblocking i/o system that threads in unix proggies (discounting actual number crunchers) exist largely so that they can sit, sadly, waiting for blocking i/o...
asciilifeform: and elpa! l0l! the 'your shitplugin has 1,001 shitdeps' repo!
asciilifeform: 'There’s unanimous agreement that Emacs needs better support for concurrency, and indeed over the last few years Tom Tromey (of ELPA fame) and others worked ....' << orly, unanimous
trinque: the fuck is emacs going to do with *entirely blocking* threads ?
mircea_popescu: phf the "now has!" "it's not clear what the thing it "has" is GOING TO do" is already 100% graham-retardation
phf: i'm curious about this accelerated rate of emacs shittification. it's like there's new of some or other modernization every other week
phf: emacs now has concurrency!11 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-12/msg00378.html there aren't many details on what it's going to do but there's at least one review article that's going "wtf" http://www.lunaryorn.com/posts/a-blast-from-the-past-the-tale-of-concurrency-in-emacs.html
phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
asciilifeform: (usb per se has absolutely imho lethal problems but i would count the horrid plug dead last on the list of these)
asciilifeform: (oddly enough, the hotel sockets ALSO fit ru plug !!)
mircea_popescu: eu style plug with the rounded prongs slides in by itself. this inept lamellar bs does not
asciilifeform: at least asciilifeform went there with australia adapter, and.. it fit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they use australian plug iirc
mircea_popescu: WHO DARES make the latter sort! ever! GAH!
mircea_popescu: and MOTHERFUCKING IDIOTS in this world! why the FUCK did argentina have to make "its own" power plug scheme, and for that matter why the fruck does usb exist! there are two types of connectors in this world - those who you can plug not looking and those who, no matter what you do, you CAN NOT plug not looking at them!
asciilifeform: from what i can tell, 'eagle' actually used a similar algo in their (surprisingly good) autoroute.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by things etc)
phf: right, you kind of run into the fact that you have to have a set of CAD primitives underneath :/
asciilifeform: the problem is not so distinct from vector graphics in general.
phf: a bus is a track (what i called route) that's reused by multiple components , and if track has coordinates for meanders and thickness you're there
asciilifeform: there are several hundred common sizes of drill.
asciilifeform: vias connect 2 or more layers together.
asciilifeform: (nobody wants to look at a 128bit bus as motherfucking 128 lines running in parallel!!!)
phf: to make a pcb out of a netlist, at worst case you need w/h of component, x/y placement of component, a list of x/y coords for each route (to indicate turns)? or there's something that i'm missing?
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : that's aaaalmost all of it. you also need, in especially large schematics, to collapse buses into single, thick lines (in 'eagle', normally blue, but it does not matter, so long as distinct) and the leadouts from said buses are normal nets, which are marked.
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route? <
asciilifeform: (think, recall children's game of 'help the mouse find the cheese' ? that's what a shit schematic looks like)
asciilifeform: so you want to lay the lines so min cross.
mircea_popescu: i mean... we pay $$$ to generate rng. how did the computer generate 5mb to pad what alf declares "minuscle" ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the source of complexity in all this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a related and important (to rsa) mathematical problem, of 'how many bits of modulus give your guaranteed polynomial factoring'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 16:28 asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582124 << the best home planetarium mahcine is a toy made by nintendo in the 90s for going ~~$2000 "why you need a pinhole sky projection, when you have ipad???11"
mircea_popescu: back to the much more interesting thing of "minimal helping hand" :
asciilifeform: trinque: ...not the titanic you wish you had!
trinque: you sink with the littoral you have
mircea_popescu: anyway. this whole "google finds thing" is very much of the nature of "i couldn't get dxf to print ON ANYTHING svg conversion IS IMPOSSIBLE" etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: no good, at least not as such, they are stored as strings of decimal digits.
asciilifeform: a very limited (functionally) BUT fully tmsrtronic fallback for imperial crapolade -- is the ticket.
asciilifeform: betcha i could finally demolish the 'dark matter' of weak-but-not-popped (by birthday-theorem) mods etc.
asciilifeform: one of the things i would like to do in phuctor (when?? in peacetime...?) is to actually sort the mods by levenshtein distance
phf: asciilifeform: this goes back to the books thread we had long time ago. in-wot solution should exist and be up to tmsr standards. but if you're going to search for books in irradiated library ruins you just have to accept that you have to wear a hazmat and that you might get raped by feral locals.
mircea_popescu: we're going towards it, what with the slowly growing log processing.
asciilifeform: that being said, some reasonaby standard way for wot folk to offer one another search of ~own~ wwwtron -- would be spiffy imho
mircea_popescu: that's the whole matter.
mircea_popescu: not even the point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you , in particular, could probably quite easily 'go knuth' or rms and use the net via courier.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants anything. the google i use will be l-distance based and that's all.
asciilifeform: if someone wants to show me a parallel world where they are all in my wot -- i'm all ears
phf: asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route?
asciilifeform: heathendom is where chip vendors, cad vendors, 1,000,001 things, live.
asciilifeform: fuckgoats is made of motherfucking search!
asciilifeform: phf: this is correct, but i will point out that schematic is easier problem than pcb -- schematic traces take up 0 space, and the crossing penalty is merely aesthetic rather than physical
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very possible dawg, just wot-index the web.
phf: minimal helping hand is the kind of stuff you would manually do to an autorouted schematic, i.e. explicit xy placement for some of the components. algo can simply unpin each component in order and see if autolayout still results in same placement, in which case the explicit coordinate is unnecessary
asciilifeform: phf: unsurprisingly. and the eventual model is chinese google
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:18 asciilifeform: then i suppose the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still the closest thing i know of to working search engine for www...
asciilifeform: let's approach the problem bottom-up, as gedankenexperiment. it is np-complete problem to draw a polished, readable schematic from netlist only. what, therefore, is the minimal 'helping hand' that would let the machine draw schematic from netlist in polynomial time. that is the necessary format, and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: myeah, there is that.
asciilifeform: and iirc clim has something of the kind (though i am the very last who would know the detail)
asciilifeform: there are sane ways to do vector graphics
phf: but notably colorforth CAD that chuck moore wrote is all discrete units for these very reasons (there's a writeup somewhere in the CF pile)
asciilifeform: they gotta line up.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, it is not as simple as simply throwing away 'after 3rd decimal place' or the like.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:25 asciilifeform: discretized the floats, round the thicknesses to 2 places, etc
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582015 << i actually tried one of those against the svg, and without netlist knowledge it gets funky (edges don't properly touch nodes, because rounding)
mircea_popescu: yeah, turns out they tried to do an "arab oil shock", didn't work out
mircea_popescu: i recall they had a bumper crop right ?
asciilifeform: then democratizers came and unbanned.
mircea_popescu: sure they were. from afghanistan to vietnam, all through.
asciilifeform: which is why usg fought the afghan war
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 04:43 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581929 << http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot not to make more work for you, but the smooshing of ircbot and logbot apparently hosed your pre-graph catment
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581952 << ircbot and logbot don't actually depend on each other in V sense, so there's not much i can do about it (unless i'm missing the issue)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the reason why crackdowns on 'prescription dope' is that it is not feeding hard currency to lizards, but fiatola to variably-connected fiatolists
pete_dushenski: thus all the fuss about fentanyl, which runs along the lines of "it's so potent and so profitable and killing all our youfs!", behind which the obvious inference is that only the state should be profiting and killing youths.
a111: 13 results for "the answer lies in the sewers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=the%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers
asciilifeform: mats: aha, see the mega-piece re 'autocolonization',
mircea_popescu: at least back in the day when it was called "british empire".
asciilifeform: when you cut away the noise, it's little else
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not yet, will take apart later. Perhaps it is the mispellings, however funny. Illiteracy is popular among spamzors.
thestringpuller: well the morphine and cocaine markets are more of a smuggling game......
asciilifeform: there are no cia jets full of aspirin.
asciilifeform: (cash cow -- would otherwise vanish.)
thestringpuller: well you could deal sneakers...but the market depth isn't very large
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should solidify the evidence that dope dealing is a great financier of the cash variety
asciilifeform: the mother of all 'unhappenings', it has been known to anyone who gives half a shit, with all the proof you could possibly ask for from a mafia op where 'talkative' folks with hard proof get plugged immediately -- and still 'never happened.'
asciilifeform: (and no, the figurehead officials, with their aol email accts, etc., don't have to be 'in' on it, wtf)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (re: the 'gigantic barrel' flight sims: there is actually an arcade of these at the american national airplane museum in washington, it's fiddybux for 5min. and worth every penny)
asciilifeform: they 'went apple'.
asciilifeform: so the hilarious bit, thrustmaster made a 're-edition', for something like 500 usd, that externally looked great (made of iron, etc) but inside -- 100% chinese plastic rubbish
asciilifeform: there's an outfit called 'thrustmaster', well-known name in game controllers, that made a princely joystick in 1990s, 'f-22'. it was used in 'adult' simulators, the kind where one studies for exams, where you literally can hang upside down in gigantic barrel, etc. and guess what, there is no way to make it work with win7+ short of replacing entire internal guts.
mircea_popescu: it's also ~when i stopped paying any attention. last time i played games as they came out was 1999/2000
mircea_popescu: then those dumbasses got impregnated, and delivered, and those dumbass offspring run shitsoup to play unicode.
mircea_popescu: it's actually when the true microsoft hatred started.
asciilifeform: the 2000s were almost ~defined~, microshitwise, by a massive 'purge' where folx were forced to retire peripherals (and, for that matter, whole comps) in PERFECT mechanical condition, to run new winblows
mircea_popescu: there's no "i have a rat infestation but my rats have only the front paws and left ear"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right. because usg always says the same thing.
asciilifeform: to program the buttons
asciilifeform: because they needed 2-way comms
asciilifeform: and, notably, the converter boxes don't work for high-end sticks
asciilifeform: other interesting tidbit about flying-sticks, apparently logitech et al conspired with microshit to have analogue 'gameport' support CUT from win7+. so that folx would be forced to buy chinese usb shitsticks.
Framedragger: (it's sorta-kinda seeing a revival, with folks doing HRTF etc on bare CPU without need for audio chip accelerated whatever, but i believe there's still a.. niche. for someone whoever realizes that graphics isn't everything, etc.)
asciilifeform: they were hydraulic, like a post-70s auto
mircea_popescu: ah they were all servo an' shit huh
mircea_popescu: lol get the mig one
asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...
mircea_popescu: (lasts, not because chickens will become xilinx fans, but because the last people who know how it works will die, and then their writings will... BE MOVED TO NEW DIRECTORIES. and that's that.)
asciilifeform: my deep suspicion here is that there are actually at least ~two~ sets of www; one with chickens, and one without; and if you are doing something that is largely confined to the latter, you can almost pretend that the year is at worst 2001, and search - works, and forums - exist, etc.
mircea_popescu: BAD DIRECTORY STRUCTURE. no, might and magic 6 is NOT HAPPY to find itself in a directory including spaces, ampersands and unicode's mother on a stick.
asciilifeform: and, for instance, also had to outwit the 'ai' in the thing to keep it from 'recognizing state machine' and ADDING GATES wtfomfgh
mircea_popescu: for the record, in my experience a good HALF of wine errors encountered in practice (man wants to play the games from the times when games were worth playing) are...
asciilifeform: but when xilinx's synth tool stubbornly refused to map the collective reset in FUCKGOATS to the global reset pin, i found the answer with, yes, a few hours of google.
mircea_popescu: (of course it's the videocard. IT FUCKING ALWAYS IS.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got it flattened into shape, but because debugging the videocard not because googling the web.
mircea_popescu: but this isn't my point. go ahead, search yourself, it's just a pile of the usual chickens doing their usual chicken crrr-crrrr-crrrrrkkkk!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ran into problem trying to get mm6 to run on wine ; error message search (R6034 !) yielded NOTHING USEFUL. just endless pile of imbeciles doing the usual imbecile thing "oh, you got that ? so did i. i heard johnny also did or had a friend who did hey have you tried washing hands?"
asciilifeform: the necessary detail is NOT found in my dead tree collection, nor in meatwot, nor anywhere else i could conceivably get to other than via bad old heathen search.
asciilifeform: with that in mind, neither 'rotor', nor fuckgoats, nor phuctor, would exist if asciilifeform had not been able to do ~10,000 google searches.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582034 << btw when i search for error messages, i generally find'em. granted this is 'moral hazard' and arguably makes for a substantially more turdalicious software ecosystem than if folks were 'shit out of luck' when seeing EGGOGs. but there it is.
asciilifeform: e.g., something claiming to be http://ahrefs.com/robot, but not obeying the 'off switch' specified there; and jumping ip ranges 10+ times if banned (i can no longer be arsed)
asciilifeform: bunch of other crawlers i've never heard of, also:
asciilifeform: they -- insists.
mircea_popescu: the tmsr situation is very much like, space ship landed on new planet, there's a few people and tech of unspeakable power, and otherwise a bunch of shamanic tribes on the surface. fuckable, but that's about all, their ooga-ooga language is fucking tiresome.
mircea_popescu: don't start too soon. we've not yet the manpower or infrastructure to do a google.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
mircea_popescu: "for banal www as long as i don't look for things anyone in the libertard camp may object to, conceivably"
asciilifeform: then i suppose the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still the closest thing i know of to working search engine for www...
mircea_popescu: No results found for "at any rate, talk to the old trotskyists, mats , they might help.". << via the web interface
asciilifeform: useful shit tends to live 20, 30 places into the list
asciilifeform: the google-from-bot i mean
a111: 2 results for "\"at any rate, talk to the old trotskyists, mats , they might help.\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22at%20any%20rate%2C%20talk%20to%20the%20old%20trotskyists%2C%20mats%20%2C%20they%20might%20help.%22
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: If the Trotskyists are on the march there's chaos ahead | John Harris ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/11/trotskyists-on-the-march-chaos-ahead>; Chapter I: Family and School: Leon Trotsky : Stalin –An appraisal of ...: <https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1940/xx/stalin/ch01.htm>; Trotskyism - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism>
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: strangely enough Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary: <http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/strangely-enough>; Strangely Enough - The New York Times: <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/magazine/surreal-photography.html>; Language Log » One comma too many: <http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/%3Fp%3D2339>
mircea_popescu: oh, but when i want stuff from the log i also don't google
mircea_popescu: whenever i actually want data i have to crawl myself but people go around saying "google is the only working search engine"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:58 mircea_popescu: so you know, they're doing their patriotic duty to pretend so as to create the aggregate dogvomit upon which "nobody could have predicted" in case there's any responsibility to allocate later.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582023 << it's the ~only ~working search engine, like or not. (and no, rubbish with 'maybe we crawl your page this ~year~ unless you're a major newspaper' is not a search engine)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 20:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i could readily reduce the svg if you wish, most of it is dreamweaver-style pointless tagging
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:24 asciilifeform: it occurs to me that one could write a 'garbage compactor' for these
mircea_popescu: so you know, they're doing their patriotic duty to pretend so as to create the aggregate dogvomit upon which "nobody could have predicted" in case there's any responsibility to allocate later.
mircea_popescu: in proper terms : even the empire figured out the incredibly tenuous position of google, who a) provides no useful service and b) survives exactly out of yahoo-style ponzi scheme (as described by paul graham, one of its architects pre dot com bubble)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Googles size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. Thats not a feasible startup, so lets say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
mircea_popescu: o wait, wasn't him. some other dork by the name alex clemmer, http://blog.nullspace.io/building-search-engines.html
mircea_popescu: some dork named danluu was raving on about how microsoft sucks because google got all the engineers that exist.