mircea_popescu: no i mean the max.
mircea_popescu recalls publishing the correct value somewhere (it's not exactly 21mn "bitcoin", it's a satoshi count.)
mircea_popescu: more's the point, notwithstanding we got a reprieve from "get it done by summer", we still don't have actual alternative we're happy with, so... what's the rush.
asciilifeform: true, wouldn't want to knock out the stool from under the gavin until the noose is properly on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's in "give them rope" phase of my give them rope to hang themselves with procedure.
mircea_popescu: it also doesn't work for any individual transaction, just for the whole windows abomination taken together.
mircea_popescu: by tallying up the segwit inputs and outputs. well, sure, but it can be verified is the point.
asciilifeform: only by tallying up the circulating coin, neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can deterministically verify that segwit doesn't create coins without accessing their proprietary binary blob.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, for so long as we continue to count gavinistic payments as actual coin, and forgo 'trace to coinbase', there is a hole wide enough to drive a tank through, for conjuring coin from thin air
mircea_popescu: tracing all payments to the coinbase will be useful if/when we decide to not accept "segwit" payments.
mod6: my vpatch essentially utilizes this function, which exists in the vpatch that was already sent to the ML:
mod6: i don't love this feature as it introduces complexity and an edge-case that mig-pilot needs to be aware of in the first place. but i'll consider it based on the idea that the complexity can be contained.
asciilifeform: probably. i imagine the use case for this knob is simple, 'i want to know if i've been paid, and the counterparty has no time machine, so it'll happen some time after $lastblock'
mod6: however, this requires further code changes than are actually necessary.
asciilifeform: (which could indeed take you through the entire history of the universe, but chances are -- it won't)
asciilifeform: mod6: as i understand it, the cure is to scan backwards until the search tree terminates in coinbases for all branches.
mod6: There are some cosmetic changes I may still make to the handling of the parameters of this function, and further testing, auditing, and validation are still required by third-parties.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do they pump white smoke off the chimney if his dick is on the right side ? << Election by Throckmorton's Sign!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-10 19:49 mod6: This edge case being: If pub/priv keypair A, have been sent 1.0 bitcoins on say, tx 123456789, on block 200`000. Then sent 0.5 bitcoins from pub/priv keypair A to pubkey address B on block 250`000. If the uesr only scans back from 300`000, the balance in the wallet may not reflect the 0.5 output still there for that pubkey (from keypair A).
mod6: An update on progress towards the privkey tools feature added [ import private key with scanning from a specified beginHeight ]: I have proven out the edge case previously mentioned, twice, as expected. It can be resolved by doing a -rescan at any time. So far at least.
asciilifeform: interestingly, it is used only in the miner.
mircea_popescu: its not altogether a bad idea to do this ; on the contrary, it is the sort of thinking process that denotes a healthy, functioning intellect.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 16:00 asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, you need a 'binary star' system of two lan nodes for either to actually mine
mod6: and if it is required to be attached to at least one other node, then that may be a problem. We could still test on a lan, but you'd have to have two trb nodes on that lan to get past that line of code.
asciilifeform: can anyone tell me how the union here can possibly not result in rubbish?
asciilifeform: ok i'ma quote this atrocity in the l0gz, because so far as i can tell, it works only by accident, and is an epic wtf:
asciilifeform: and if not -- then it is broken and needs fixing.
asciilifeform: i killed the 'testnet' crud because wtf, why did it use variant rules from main-net.
mod6: totally worthwhile. but the exant code appears to still work on main-net anyway. but agreed, more testing/auditing/investigation required for sure.
mod6: that i do not know. but indeed a good test. set diff to 1, then generate
asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, you need a 'binary star' system of two lan nodes for either to actually mine
mod6: i've run it myself since then for sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, you were referring to 'spin up trb node from 0 on real-life blockchain'. which more or less everyone involved has done, multiple times. his current thing appears to be the 'lan testnet' scenario i suggested a while back. where one pretends that the year is 2009.
asciilifeform: y'know, to see if trb miner actually works. and if indeed the thing can be put on alpha centauri.
asciilifeform: also imho ben_vulpes has a very spiffy project here and it deserves more brain cycles, he is actually testing the 'bitcoin on alpha centauri' scenario! i.e. replay of time, from genesis and up, in parallel universe, on trb.
asciilifeform: (specifically, cpuminer thread will sleep forever if there are no peers in the peer table, or if it - through braindamaged heuristic - decides that node is in 'initial block download')
asciilifeform: in same rag, https://archive.is/pGDLS >> clitlerists go after the 'heil tritler' d00d's mother. his fans - fight back. 'oh noez localhaust'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck you'd do that is beyond anyone's comprehension, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: the same species that can glossaly grade nafta dies from antifreeze ingestion. fucking diversity of mankind already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you gotta be a serious 'alconaut', and accustomed to swallowing strange, to get there
mircea_popescu: how. how the fuck. how do you drink antifreeze it's like the most objectionable thing in nature.
asciilifeform: aha that's how they do it
asciilifeform: the electoral college thing isn't public
asciilifeform: speaking of trumplincton, the actual ceremony is apparently today.
mircea_popescu: "the golden age of all the games suck but we finally don't feel threatened by pgp anymore"
mircea_popescu is particularly annoyed because tried to play torchlight, total clone of diablo ii with ~half the ideas. i'm not sure anyone born after 1980 can even comprehend what a fucking insult to human reason that statement is.
mircea_popescu: ie, the same idiots who thought clinton can win actually think they got the platform sufficiently under control.
mircea_popescu: consequently attwood pens excited pieces about how "the golden age of x46 gaming is now".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, because https & assorted crapola of "progress" made it safe to move the box on their pc. and it is cheaper this way.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ~hardware box~ is becoming less common. most of the derps are watching on comp now.
mircea_popescu: put on stage by exactly the sort of lazy, stupid and therefore unfuckworthy nitwit that used to be consigned to the margins of etsy craftsmanship and bad mary sue fanfic.
mircea_popescu: turned out to be unwatchable - the EXACT same imbecile substance.
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? bad media is becoming deeply universalized ; i made the mistake to try and watch "black mirror" because omsone said here, it's TERRIBLE from a cinematic point of view (the idiots can't act, can't block, can't speak, can't anyfucking thing ; the whole thing's a droned on ted talk, which is the point) and now i see it everwhere. last night tried to watch film with harvey keitel and michael cain, it
asciilifeform: but yes, i can see how it might work, given as most folx who have these get their ip connectivity from same place as the tv box
asciilifeform: these are becoming fewer in number, even among chronic tv users
mircea_popescu: so watever, tivo ? cable top box ? call it what you will, the official-media-consumption-toolkit.
mircea_popescu suffers from a chronic inability to distinguish the microsoft vermin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least media consumption data comes from their netflix boxes spying onthem
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 03:58 BingoBoingo: "One spark for Jorjanis missive was a short post on Leiter Reports, a popular philosophy blog, called Ph.D. in Philosophy From SUNY Stony Brook Is Also a Neo-Nazi. The blogs editor, Brian Leiter, Karl N. Llewellyn Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of Chicago, noted that Jorjani spoke at a recent meeting of the National Policy Institute led by white nationalist Richard Spencer. The meeting included a Hail Trump
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585532 << it wouldn't be so astonishing if in the process of 'heightening the contradictions', academitards who go against party line end up with revoked degrees. this was sop in the last reich, why not this one.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 14:15 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/stackoverflow.com << in other lulz, the merchandise&media consumption affinities of "independent", "scientific" and you know, "advanced-civilised-progressive" ustards are pretty lulzy
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 13:42 Framedragger: but also asciilifeform's; and if you google phuctor it's.. clear? hm. this goes back to the discussion of kindergarten kids stamping their name everywhere, cf. kids who don't
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585556 << i dun get it, is it at any point unclear to reader how to get in contact with the coauthors?? there is a big, fat 'contact' button, that is not enough ??
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/stackoverflow.com << in other lulz, the merchandise&media consumption affinities of "independent", "scientific" and you know, "advanced-civilised-progressive" ustards are pretty lulzy
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:44 mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ?
mircea_popescu: it's like the girl that naturally fucks on the first date, and demands to be fucked in the ass. yes they can exist. no they don't figure in anyone's expectations.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how software works. there's a very clear denied middle : it is either the product of a ~lone individual~, or else of a corporation. there is no multiple-people-work-without-usg-foundations-and-crap in most people's minds, because there isn't such a thing is most people's experience.
Framedragger: eh, whatevs. i redirect the masses to f.a.q. etc as needed.
Framedragger: but also asciilifeform's; and if you google phuctor it's.. clear? hm. this goes back to the discussion of kindergarten kids stamping their name everywhere, cf. kids who don't
Framedragger: (i clarified to him that it's not my project, dunno how he got the impression)
Framedragger: i think some sysadmins may want to be able to submit their ssh-rsa pubkeys themselves. and phuctor only accepts openpgp format, this needs to be converted (ssh pubkey -> gpg pubkey). so i'm adapting/stealing jurov's script and cleaning it up.
Framedragger: um, i was testing a script, and submitted gpg key to phuctor with luzly metainfo (http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F1646FA33357FBC152F66E66E297B4F11EF0C3B04438FDF3B254993C3A6F814).. erm, since those specific rsa numbers are already in phuctor db, it'd be safe to remove this one asciilifeform. or keep it for the luls
Framedragger: congrats on the shipment asciilifeform :)
BingoBoingo: moment, and the organization describes itself as committed to defending "the heritage, identity and future of people of European descent in the United States, and around the world."" << Brian Leiter is a notorious aspie
BingoBoingo: "One spark for Jorjanis missive was a short post on Leiter Reports, a popular philosophy blog, called Ph.D. in Philosophy From SUNY Stony Brook Is Also a Neo-Nazi. The blogs editor, Brian Leiter, Karl N. Llewellyn Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of Chicago, noted that Jorjani spoke at a recent meeting of the National Policy Institute led by white nationalist Richard Spencer. The meeting included a Hail Trump
phf: i think it's great if you only use twm/x11 to spawn a couple of xterms, so you can run your mathematica and write your Fortran simulation code. sort of a Dijkstra lisp machine, when exploratory interactivity is not the main goal. building this whole infrastructure on it was a folly
phf: unix also had a lot more of an organic decentralized approach, beyond mans i don't think anybody actual read anything on the subject of unix (a few key books, like k&r or steven's on tcpip). pretty sure people would just grab the source and learn by exploration
phf: i'm pretty sure that ai memos are enough to rebuild computing from scratch. has architectural descriptions, cpu design, fabrication, language designs, text editors ("emacs" before it was taken over by rms is described in one of the ai-memos, both as a standalone thing and as set of TECO marcos), various algorithms
phf: i think "ai research" is a mislabel, because the promise of ai was used to keep the funding going, and there is a lot of failed hacks on the subject, but the bulk of actual work was more about how to do computers
asciilifeform: (and i'm not even certain whether to count bell labs)
asciilifeform: 1958-78 or so, mit was one of the 2 or 3 worthwhile things happening in computing per se.
phf: mircea_popescu: csail (mit ai lab then) published "ai memos" from 1959 to sometime in early 2000s where they described a lot of "firsts" in computing in general. scheme spec was published by sussman and steele, lisp 1.5 compiler (first "self-hosting"), lisp machine architecture, etc. most papers are not so much ai as computing in general.
mircea_popescu: as much as we might like the (self-unaware) lords involved, it can't be seriously argued that mit actually did much in cs.
mircea_popescu: phf hey, at least unlike the 15-20 years of "ai research", this ~actually does something~.
phf: ""Polaris" system from MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab accelerates website load-time (34 percent faster!!1) by decreasing network trips." great new advacements from the famous CSAIL
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:51 mircea_popescu: also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and jaywalking.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the cat situation evaluates to worse quite explainably, because if woman misbehaves and woman is beaten then 1 norm is breached ; whereas if woman misbehaves and cat is beaten then 2 norms are breached. the way reptile brain works, the sum of two variables is larger than either one no matter what happens ; and larger by a fraction of the largest of the two, not by the smaller of the two.
Framedragger: one day i fear of mircea_popescu going into recursive loop by being outraged by wikipedia definitions, using other terms to show his point, and then finding those terms to also be ill-defined on wikipedia. :)
mircea_popescu: anomie is the collapse of names into meaninglessness.
mircea_popescu: anomie is NOT "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals". for one thing, because it's not a ~condition~, it's a situation. no, these aren't the same thing. for tyhe other, becaue individuals provide guidance for society, not the other fucking way around. the "individuals who are guided by society are called children.
mircea_popescu: nobody actually knows what anything is, do they. not anymore. just word word word word word noun verb adjective numeral whatever the fuck no meaning whatsoever to be found anywhere ; complete and total anomie.
mircea_popescu: ethics != morals wtf is wrong with these idiots.
Framedragger: and in other "socpsy" newz, http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797616673193 << "When given two scenarios: one in which an individual reacts to his girlfriend’s infidelity by beating her, and the other, by beating her cat, participants judged that the cat beater had worse moral character than the woman beater, even though the act of beating a woman was judged to be more immoral."
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if they weren't dipshits it might even matter.
phf: hmm if chatter wasn't just randomly spewing scripture it would be mildly entertaining if we had two competing fundamentalists with matching knowledge of their respective books
Framedragger: hm, i guess so. seems to be the case. apparently it's a US tech company employee thingie (with some springs of PR by the companies)
shinohai: There is but one god, and Muhammad is his faggot
chatter: to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
Framedragger: ^ (not saying it's not a lost cause while working for one of those "tech" "leader" companies, in the way that applying adhesive to a bursting pipe is not fixing a water problem)
Framedragger: << "We, the undersigned, are employees of tech organizations and companies based in the United States. [...] We refuse to build a database of people based on their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. We refuse to facilitate mass deportations of people the government believes to be undesirable. "
asciilifeform: every lisp is at some point in its life 'consless' (if the gc is written, as is proper, in itself; and prior to gc init at warmup)
trinque over here farting around in amd64 asm, wondering if the above is enough to say done with ASM, time to move up to implementing lisp atop the forthylisp
trinque: asciilifeform: curious, by "consless lisp" did you mean basically a Forth with parens? or in other words, sexps of funcs, params, and a stack, and that's about it?
hanbot: pete_dushenski belatedly it occurs to me the resolution (nearly three years in the making!) of the us courts circus research project (http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/) prolly deserves a spot in your year in review.
shinohai: Pink bike, she must be trying for the Amy Schumer Barbie look
phf: i'm pretty sure that look is permanent. i've seen it while they negotiate with a shopkeeper, while they cary bags, while they decide where to go, etc.
mircea_popescu: whereas scholarship will be i dunno, screenshots of "discussions" including no equations but a lot of "concepts" and lolpics. perhaps full of comrpession artefacts ot the point of unreadability.
mircea_popescu: anyway, turn towards fetishization continues. in another decade "hacking" will be collecting software tools which ~could be used~ to explore directorry structures in which commands ~could have been run~
mircea_popescu: to quote, "but my son and my daughter came out of the water and said papa, you promised you'd play!"
mircea_popescu: so much effort put into making the 30yo gorgons look like 16yo fragaria vesca
mircea_popescu: and in other randomness, let there be shed a tear today for the poor wedding photographers. i mean the expensive ones, catering to an "upper class clientele" consisting of women slightly uglier than the average with fathers slightly richer. dear god these poor people, they try. they ~try~.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, at least to me, the evolution towards fetisization. coupla decades ago, hacking meant that party a informatizes whatever system, say its satellite network, and party b hacked into the said system through the novel avenue ~and used it~ to i dunno, whatever, make itself a plate of french toast.
mircea_popescu: isn't this quite literally the definition of the term among the illiterate yet contemporaneous monkeys ?
Framedragger: this means that next time i provide paginated and nicely indexed access to relational data to a customer, i can call the feature "HACK THE SYSTEM"
mircea_popescu: in random lulz, "**UPDATE- 4/10 22:21 EST** I mentioned in this post that it was hacked, that was incorrect of me. The person who created the list simply exploited Fetlifes code to release information."
mircea_popescu: actually no, lessee. a try's about seven seconds, and then if something's found that's about another 10. you don't always find something, but if skilled enough you mostly do, so say you gotta make 4 steps a minute. each step calls for a random radian value, which meaningfully is about 9 bits but nevertheless comes as a double which iirc is 64 bits. so you're doing 256 bits ie 4 bytes/minute.
asciilifeform: and hey there it is again.
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/12/twitter-used-to-attack-journalist-kurt-eichenwald-triggering-seizure/ << in other lelz
a111: Logged on 2016-12-18 00:38 asciilifeform: https://medium.com/@thegrugq/the-great-cyber-game-commentary-3-a1ae9a70e399 << lulzy, yet another Great World-Famous Seek000000rity Researcher with a ...keybase
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-18#1585380 << grugq made a funny post at some point where he says that the notorious big's track "ten crack commandments" was all you needed to know about opsec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQ which i thought was cool in that phrack gonzo way, but otherwise he's yet another infosec personality with all the trappings
asciilifeform: hat way, auctioneer Knoch pocketed the money.'
asciilifeform: 'The Jewish Culture Committee wrote back to Adolf Martin advising him to accept the offer because according to their inside information, the Jew Artur Israel Pollak was scheduled to be deported soon to the Generalgouvernement (occupied Poland) and would probably end up in the Warsaw ghetto. Adolf Martin then agreed to the proposal hoping that, in the event that Pollak’s belongings were auctioned off he would finally get a lump sum an
asciilifeform: it's almost as if the 2014-15 tor busts neverhappened(tm)
shinohai: That's one of the biggest `Signal+Tor makes you invincible!!!!!` guys too.
asciilifeform: https://medium.com/@thegrugq/the-great-cyber-game-commentary-3-a1ae9a70e399 << lulzy, yet another Great World-Famous Seek000000rity Researcher with a ...keybase
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much what it says on the tin, you go out with tools and materials, find natural resources, develop them and get minerals.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 23:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda lulzy the barrett dude never showed up, seeing how we're actually doing all he aimed to do a lot better w/o really trying. but hey, such is the power of the inept.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585322 << the linked piece suggested that he was properly broken by the jailers, walks around terrified that even his usg-issued winblows comp is too much of a sin
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 23:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : actual usecase for FUCKGOATS in eulroa play : because the current mining software uses random to position the miner, the quality of the rng generator decides how likely you actually step outside of the coords you are. ie, if your rng is biased, you're more likely to go outside.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585299 << i was referring to the actual, meatspace phenomenon where a man lacking a compass in a desert will walk in circles and die, being as no one's legs are of precisely identical length
Framedragger: this was meant to be a reaction to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585136 - the dpaste link had been archived, this would help an operator to quickly retrieve that archived url.
Framedragger: oh, i know the issue. damn. basically as part of its "have i archived this?" check it greps through log of "i archived this:"; the "dev" instance was crawling through a 500K logfile, the production one however has to cope with ~220M logfile. not feasible...
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, the "uninterceptable" missiles go like that)
Framedragger: ah, i was probably under the assumption that the movement was already directional, i.e. that the next-angle-choice was infrequent...
mircea_popescu: just, wasn't the stated problem.
mircea_popescu: yeah there is that, in theory. in practice, you can't implement it anyway, walk/run toggle is all you got.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda lulzy the barrett dude never showed up, seeing how we're actually doing all he aimed to do a lot better w/o really trying. but hey, such is the power of the inept.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585299 << if you set a ratio, and then make steps of different lengths by that ratio, your guy will not move around an origin, but around a circle that stands in same ratio with the outer "bound" circle.
mircea_popescu: and yes, alt-client for emacs etc has long been desired. if you make it happen there's eulora riches for you.
Framedragger: you know, sometimes i'm tempted to write up some kind of graphics-less (otherwise it's not feasible) civ-style simulator with proper economics, including contracts, liquidity etc etc. maybe eulora is the place to explore all that hm :)
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : actual usecase for FUCKGOATS in eulroa play : because the current mining software uses random to position the miner, the quality of the rng generator decides how likely you actually step outside of the coords you are. ie, if your rng is biased, you're more likely to go outside.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it already tests the limits of common understanding, with good stuff like pricing, industry models, etc.
Framedragger: (which is doable and there are libraries for it, it's just slow of course)
Framedragger: maybe one day eulora will test the limits of common software when the exploration or quality determination during crafting or whatever requires infinite precision real numbers :p
mircea_popescu: course the error here is enough to drift the miner one full step in 1bn explore attempts, which is far outside what anyone ever managed to do in one run.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 20:29 Framedragger: actually, that last "5" should be a 6 because the digit that follows is a 9
Framedragger: (if you then draw path of person with enough datapoints (sufficient amount of choose-new-angle events), you'd get an arc/circle.)
Framedragger: in math terms, probably that when selecting new angle angle, there is a statistical bias towards one side from the current angle? so that if it were a person, one of the legs would be shorter, and the person would be inclined towards one side when walking somewhere.
asciilifeform: '“The bottom line is I do owe over $800,000 to Stratfor, Combined Systems, and the nonexistent law firm of Puckett and Faraj...'
asciilifeform: https://shadowproof.com/2016/12/17/prison-barrett-brown-recommits-agitating-existing-order/ << in other lulz
Framedragger: (just to be clear, there were two digits wrong (3.14159265_3_5), and the last one (it should go up by one due to proceeding digit). as phf said, math.h has that constant defined, but eh:)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/the-wail-of-our-democracy-a-holiday-roundup-xtend-special-edition-tmr/ << Qntra - The Wail of "Our Democracy"! A Holiday Roundup Xtend Special Edition (TM)(R)
asciilifeform: very easy to make a substitute for the current analogue board.
phf: yeah, knuth's literate programming style prefers own defines to things like that, when a define is a property of code, rather than artifact of environment
asciilifeform: btw folx may be interested to learn that the LM393 op-amp IS available from old soviet stock
Framedragger: actually, that last "5" should be a 6 because the digit that follows is a 9
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 19:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584977 << in other news, check out the danielpbarron code narrative style!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, it's there.
asciilifeform: eventually we WILL shoot gnudiff in the head.
phf: i can switch it to familiar format, but i only vaguely remember what the numbers actually mean. something about where the chunk is, and how many lines were dropped. etc.
phf: it's the equivalent of diff's @@ -0,0 +1,437 @@. i just dump whatever's being stored in patch's fields, without any special formatting
asciilifeform: phf: what do the items, e.g., '(0 . 0)(1 . 437)', in your v-viewer, do ?
trinque: yeah, this "they" is an unfeature
asciilifeform: btw in ru this construction does not exist, if you 'they' then you gotta point at ~who~, otherwise you cannot say 'they pissed in this lift', you must instead say 'this lift has been pissed in'
trinque: only insofar as "they cured cancer"
Framedragger: (in .lt it's translated as "they" which is prolly not very good)
trinque has a seething hatred of the mind that holds the hive as the bedrock of reality, can cause a strong reaction.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584822 << "das man" is heidegger's "the them", "people say you should wash your hands after taking a shit"
asciilifeform: i reread the 'mean girlz' thread ,mustbe 3 times now, and still have nfi
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say i'm a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the i-you subject as perceive
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584820 << reasonable. can be a waste to miss the case where dog already wants to learn.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584804 << dawg, this in-general commentary style is very confusing to me. parser fails pluriously and compiler identifies the following problems which for your convenience have been packed separately : a) the whole "[lowered into] pederasty" concept is used improperly. given alf's incessant usage this is understandable, but mind that alf tends to very finely abuse terms at the very edge of m
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584817 << could very well be that the habits of speech in RU and TX are so different as to cause severe friction. same effect happens between TX and just about anywhere in US, too. wasn't confused about what "lowered into pederasty" meant though.
mircea_popescu: (well, could, in this implementation doesn't bother to though)
asciilifeform: then can make each step 'cost' in proportion to the distance it puts between him and origin
mircea_popescu: problem is "keep sample locations tethered to this origin"
asciilifeform: either.
asciilifeform: (men walking in the desert)
asciilifeform: this also lets the owner test the functionality of his FUCKGOATS cpld and clock crystal SEPARATELY
mircea_popescu: now question for the mathematicians in attendance : obviously we know that if you want to "keep bot mining tethered to this point" the approach is to implement drunk walk. this however will result in a gradient intensity of steps, decreasing from the origin. now - how do we shape the intensity distribution so that eg the maximal intensity is in a circle around the origin, while maintaining the desirable properties of the drun
Framedragger: i see, hence the need to keep 'clock sync'
asciilifeform: there is no such animal in nature.
asciilifeform: the whole idea of 'digital circuit' is somewhat promisetronic
asciilifeform: Framedragger: short version of the story goes like this. our analogue rng is an analogue device, and is not synched with anything! so it occasionally violates the hold time constraint of any digital circuit it happens to be plugged into
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 17:24 deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ << Daniel P. Barron - The drunken explorer
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584977 << in other news, check out the danielpbarron code narrative style!
asciilifeform: Framedragger: correct, and the analogue rngs have to be sampled through a latch clocked by same clock
Framedragger: asciilifeform: for my education, so the way to make yoke test work is that the 'master' part outputs its clock via the reset pin? (this is prolly what mircea_popescu meant but it's new territory for me).
asciilifeform: and it isn't just 'the vpatches are available'
asciilifeform: btw in case there are folx who are not familiar with logic layout, this is not a comp proggy in the usual sense, it compiles to gate netlist
asciilifeform: i turned the 'reset' pin into a fuck-cloaca
mircea_popescu: "you mean the rng tool can't even keep fucking time ?" "aha"
mircea_popescu: dude wtf new process is this, they just bake 5mn and then filter out the working resonators out of a collodial suspension ?
asciilifeform: turns out, the clock crystals diverse after THREE MILLISECONDS, not 'hours'
asciilifeform: because initially i could not get the yoke test to actually work as advertised.
asciilifeform: about how i was a hair's breadth from concluding that we'd have to scrap the first set of boards
mircea_popescu: but in truth there's two kinds of kids in the kindergarten, those who go around writing their name on all the cubes and those who go around pointing at all the things and saying "mine!"
mod6: yeah, that could probably be a decent feature there. i do recall phf talking about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's something fundamentally visceral about the written page you're entirely inadherent to, as seen here and in the case of clearsigns etc. pass by reference is not the same as pass by value!
asciilifeform: phf: my sense of joke will come back when i'm done hand-testing the rng boards tonight and finally vacuum seal the last of'em
mircea_popescu: which i think he intends to do on his own once he's happy with the whole tower ?
phf: asciilifeform: i'm sad your schematic is missing the annotation. how will we know in thousand years time that it was indeed penned by the blessed leibowitz
asciilifeform: at compile-time -- only if the language is properly constrained
asciilifeform: at runtime -- only if the cpu is 'smart' , or if the compiler stuffs in the check every single time
mod6: Something just to start the thought of what to do about all of this. Maybe there is even some folding into a UCI with this, not sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so then. no such thing. it is ~impossible to machine anything useful out of code, if it were possible, it would be done by compiler and the ~language per se~ would include this intelligence.
mod6: I did that, as to not spam the channel here, and to try to think through what my entire thought might have been. If there is any merit to my thoughts, I'll post it somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the solrodar thread ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is there such a thing as an "ai code commenter" ? specifically, rather than the hard problem of "human speech" or junk of that nature, is there any machine approach to turning compileable code into literate code (kuhn) ?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.