phf: it follows the existing naming convention of thing-genesis with "genesis" reserved for trb
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/the-honorable-royce-c-lamberth-of-the-us-district-court-of-washington-dc-declares-end-of-united-states-sovereignity-for-representing-a-moral-depravity-that-knows-no-bounds-having-no-place-in-civilis/ << Qntra - The Honorable Royce C. Lamberth of the US District Court of Washington DC declares end of United States sovereignity for representing a moral depravity that knows no bounds, having no place in civilised society and deservi
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: there is
Framedragger: is there a tmsr keyserver, in the sense of one being able to link to a gpg fingerprint known to WoT, as a permalink?
mircea_popescu: the judge ate it, of course, but let it be pointed out this is so fucking ridiculous as to defy any reason. there is NO information privy to the USG that is secret from the world, except by case of obscurity.
mircea_popescu: the usgians of course don't want him to be released, so they have this parole thing where he can't leave the us "for five years" and "can't use internet or give interviews" etc. the stance was challenged a few months ago on the correct basis that "nothing he stole or could have stolen 30 years ago is still secret today". nevertheless clapper chose to perjure himself by swearing for the judge that on the contrary, the usg actu
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : jonathan pollard, a guy who stole and sold (to israle, and to others) all sorts of holies of the usg (including the nsa's utterly ridiculous 5k page manual on "how to conduct signals intelligence" - no part of which is actually useful in practice much like satoshi's bitcoin miner code is not used by any actual bitcoin miners) was released in 2015 (with much gnashing of teeth, because back whgen he was conv
mircea_popescu: in other news, holy shit the white house interiors are an abomination. there's flea markets more tastefully arranged by the process of randomly unloading vans what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: and in other great fence news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/84691d46a821b7caeaad28352f05878a/tumblr_obyaswxJoV1s3k2n4o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590744 << what about it ? (it should perhaps be pointed out that at the scale involved, "visualising" is not necessarily a meaningful concept, not all the processes make any sense visually.)
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why the barriers in front of them are only going up. because seriously, who could POSSIBLY not want anything to do with idiots this idiotic. who! who!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-26 06:07 pete_dushenski: naturally, the deal is being sweetened : ""All those who invest in Bitstamp on the BnkToTheFuture platform before midnight 1 January (UTC -12) can now get 12 months of anti-dilution protection on their investment!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590742 << and in typical fashion of the utterly imbecile "average joe", the idiots wish to opine about the viability of mpex, where no issuer EVER diluted, and say nice things about pure and simple scams with free dilution a la twocan exchange.
pete_dushenski: naturally, the deal is being sweetened : ""All those who invest in Bitstamp on the BnkToTheFuture platform before midnight 1 January (UTC -12) can now get 12 months of anti-dilution protection on their investment!"
pete_dushenski: https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitstamp << shitstamp now at $700k/$1.6mn crowdscamming round valuing twocansandstring(tm) at... $81mn
pete_dushenski: holy fuck are they cheap too. boxes that were $8k a decade ago are now cad$100. basically free.
pete_dushenski: they're often either too sweet or too buttery but can be made to be quite tasty by savvy bakers.
phf: (i remember there being a standalone sha256 (?) version for sbcl, but i can't find it now. everything crypto that's coming up re lisp is ironclad.)
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2014/12/29/ironclads-history.html in case you were wondering "how the fuck"
mircea_popescu: (in principle the off-bits versions, 299, 511, whatever monkey numbers should be merely truncated versions of the immediately above hash. but who even knows by now.)
mircea_popescu: also if they "publish" it in klyngon, or in cuneiform, or etcetera. published means it works on computers.
mircea_popescu: check that out, there's no actual fips 180 past 1 published online. because why the fuck would there be. anyway, i can't source this "The SHA512/384 spec says that the final bit length of the message is to be stored as a 128-bit (!) integer at the end of the message." assertion. as best it can be determined the blocks are either 512 (for sanity) or 1024 bits (for 384 hmac etc)
mircea_popescu: bah im reading the old one.
mircea_popescu: n processed by the SHA-1 as n 512-bit blocks."
mircea_popescu: h of a padded message a multiple of 512. The SHA-1 sequentially processes blocks of 512 bits when computing the message digest. The following specifies how this padding shall be performed. As a summary, a "1" followed by m "0"s followed by a 64-bit integer are appended to the end of the message to produce a padded message of length 512 * n. The 64-bit integer is l, the length of the original message. The padded message is the
mircea_popescu: "The SHA-1 is used to compute a message digest for a message or data file that is provided as input. The message or data file should be considered to be a bit string. The length of the message is the number of bits in the message (the empty message has length 0). If the number of bits in a message is a multiple of 8, for compactness we can represent the message in hex. The purpose of message padding is to make the total lengt
mircea_popescu: i see the link. i suspect variant sha512 implementations.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why it was even specified other than a love of bloat. all the bs 224 384 blabla does not belong. either you word allign or go away.
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: the former
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck uses sha512/384 already
a111: Logged on 2016-12-26 00:00 ben_vulpes: in other hashing bafflements: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xaEPR/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, this is the reason for what ?
phf: ben_vulpes: according to master this is the reason http://glyf.org/tmp/ironclad-sha512.patch unsigned for obvious reasons
phf: re "liberty with whitespace" there's something else going on. it's doing everything through unsigned-byte 8
phf: asciilifeform: for the record there's not a single line of ffi in ironclad. we've had this conversation before
ben_vulpes: well that'd be in stark contrast to the claim i remember
Framedragger: (and don't use 'adopted storage' in android in the future. it's stupid.)
Framedragger: if the latter does *not* work, you first make a noncommittal vow not to deal with android in the future, swear, drink a bit, and then proceed with aes key extraction as per http://nelenkov.blogspot.lt/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html ; you need to root phone, which may reset and wipe the device, so check if that's even possible to do; don't forget to drink. cloning worked for me. don't forget to drink.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590417 << ok for posterity: the way you deal with this is, you just dd all of it to PC; then you dd again and compare checksums; if they don't match, drink, else, proceed: dd it to a new sd card, mount, and smile
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nah, it's in the logs, have an auto dld of links
mircea_popescu: "I knew Obama was looking to take sweet revenge against Israel and Netanyahu. Since he was elected in 2009, he was hostile to settlements and Netanyahu. He revealed his true face with an anti-Israel decision but Netanyahu and Israel will defeat him." << they very likely will, too.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu are you referring to the time-honoured "put some irc logs into deedbot" practice? :D (that i'd seen)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger we do also have a scheme whereby we save the plain data and deedbot under consideration, but meh.
BingoBoingo: and the qntra remains
BingoBoingo: links are a courtesy, if html soup dies then it dies
mircea_popescu: the problem of saving html soup well is hard ; phf announced working on it some time ago but i dunno how it goes.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no argument there.
Framedragger: unrelated; such heavy reliance on archive.is by qntra, irc forum et al. scares me. it seems to be doing ~fine and i like the owner's attitude (http://archive.is/faq), but 'someone' should make another one
mircea_popescu: anyway the jewish thing is proceeding nicely, israel no longer funding un bodies ; israel ministers no longer allowed to visit countries or meet officials from 14 list.
Framedragger: :( re. the ensemble
mircea_popescu: what is with the tu154
ben_vulpes: it is a small but worth-noting difference between "put yer patches in this here directory, your signatures in this other, and your pubkeys in this third".
mircea_popescu: now, there's entirely nothing "promisetronic" about people providing seals named as their patches are named. if they fail to do this - their patch won't work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea is maximum power for the user. a scheme whereby i am forced to check all seals for each patch dispowers me ; a system whereby i can always resolve each patch in at least 1 checks or however many i feel like doing empowers me.
ben_vulpes: the naive o(n^2) calculation is to say "there is a signature for this patch" and not giving a shit about which signature, provided it corresponds to a key in .wot .
ben_vulpes: also that mothers know which baby is theirs and a signature can't tell me which patch it belongs to
mircea_popescu: (and please don't tell me your idea is that the reason room-fulla-puppies isn't how maternity wards are ran is because cunt runs on perl and most kids therefore fit to most teats.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno how either the current method adds complexity (show this ?) or the alternative isn't rank insanity. why should i have to look at >1 seal to verify a patch ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. suppose you ran a maternity ward, would you go "adding nametags to the kids adds complexity, just send the mothers naked in a room fulla puppies let them pick which fit to their teat" ?
ben_vulpes: it costs in complexity, yes. could be argued that it is a very minimal cost, but i would still prefer to "pick any signature from .seals that verifies" instead of the by my read promisetronic "pick any signature whose filename contains the filename of the patch under verification"
asciilifeform: this is the only way where variant-wots work correctly, aha.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just have it silenty discard all patches that aren't sealed properly for the narrow definition of properly neh ?
ben_vulpes: any suggestions on where up the tree to nuke a branch and reduce complexity?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes to my eyes "the situation" ie, the developer's own private choice, illustrates the natural tendency of one to cruft up his workbench.
ben_vulpes: i was a bit surprised that sb-ext:run-program did not signal a condition when the program so ran exited with something other than zero.
ben_vulpes: i explicitly tested error code downstream of sb-ext. it's not that it "doesn't pass error codes" it's that error code is surfaced in the process struct that sb-ext:run-program returns
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it didn't pass error codes, how the hell did it work to detect if sig was valid
ben_vulpes: the situation's a good example of the tension between writing code that does one thing really specifically well, and fits-in-head, vs a larger program that handles eg conditions and the concomittant complexity
mircea_popescu: anyway alf has it - there's no need to handle what you list other than by not using them
ben_vulpes: 'tis the obvious characters.
ben_vulpes: mkthen
asciilifeform: the only error condition is cyclic graph
asciilifeform: this is the correct behaviour.
ben_vulpes: (in re http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/your-app-isnt-helping-the-people-of-saudi-arabia-1790198445)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: subject of "making things 1000x more complex" i embarked on handling various conditions a v might encounter (missing pubkey, unsigned patch, mismatched hashes after a press...) and i daresay the volume of code must increase!
mircea_popescu: it's hard out there for a cuck when tryina make da money for da lulz
BingoBoingo: OMG Have these cucks never lulzd?
mircea_popescu: yeah, you know, the professed liberals care!
BingoBoingo: What I have found interesting is that the professed liberals only began reacting to it when I posed the possibility after 24 hours."
asciilifeform: theoretical boost of 1.5x of bitrate, in exchange for making the debiaser 1000x moar complex
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's mildly amusing to watch internet people act under a very earnest notion that the portion of any one thing that they ran across has, grace to half a minute's meditation, formed a complete and useful image in their heads.
ben_vulpes: nono, the diqsux comment
a111: Logged on 2016-12-25 16:17 ben_vulpes: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill
ben_vulpes: "in other word salad"
mircea_popescu: disqus is a pos ; but if you give it a day and a half eventually it jumps to the spot.
mircea_popescu: "qntra the serene republic"
BingoBoingo: https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/what-the-hell-somali-american-goes-home-for-visit-to-somalia/
mircea_popescu: also looks like this is the first time anyone read that article since 2014. who knew nobody gives a shit about wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: ^ from the history. check out what isn't a reliable source. epic shit.
mircea_popescu: from now on it's "The webiste 'whitehouse' based in maryland".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha check out all the effort they put into it. "the website", really ?
ben_vulpes: i only really know what one of the courses is, am content to let the chefs work their surprise magic
ben_vulpes: i'm not even going to start on the five courses currently under preparation
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning. <- it gave me this fleeting image of a red-hatted mp with a huge jar going round the neighbourhood
mircea_popescu: it's somewhat regrettable we can't house visit and try these.
ben_vulpes: there's one shallot, one cheese and sausage, one mushroom spinach, and one more plain
ben_vulpes stares at the half gingerbread cake
mircea_popescu: how's tinned biscuits you ask ? why, you take a gingerbread round, put it in a jar lid, cover it in rum and there you go - tinned biscuit!
ben_vulpes: where 'convince' is something along the lines of "no seriously you have all the ingredients it would be a sin to not make it. also i want it. so..."
ben_vulpes: there are several dozens of eggs worth of quiche in this house right now, and myriad cakes
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "To all BNet visitors, due to unprecedented scamming on the BNet Forum, we have been forced to shut the facility down. We are looking at alternative systems that will allow us to restart the Forum under a much better security protocol. We hope to be able to restart the Forum sometime in the New Year. Thank you for visiting the Forum and hope to see you again there in the New Year. To all who had signed up, we
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the 19th century occultist came back ?
BingoBoingo: Particular example was offensive, but "sitting in a car" seems like its on its way to becoming the new "nailgun accident"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, it's particularly offensive because the dood was the stereotypical lush-with-hallucinated-war-stories.
ben_vulpes: in other nyooz, $offspring issued his first low-ambiguity ASL gesture this morning: 'food'
BingoBoingo: The stupidity that hits a critical mass and becomes "Hussein Bahamas presentes: How the World Works"
BingoBoingo trying to try to describe examples of the sort of infectious stupidity that makes losers hold up loser "heros" instead of actual heros
BingoBoingo: Where what is proper is that things in the bar get old because bar gets old
BingoBoingo: Or why bars get filled fake old crap just because one bar filled with old crap managed to open a second location back in the day.
BingoBoingo: Until those get the Zamac treatment too
BingoBoingo: Screw get softer, except some people make tougher OMGWTFBBQ wood screws for the purpose of framing more thing whish probably ought not be wood of wood.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They fail to point it out because they suck and their heros need to suck.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how the fuck all these mytologizing gimps fail to point out that loch ness' job was to bring down al capone, AT WHICH JOB HE FAILED ? he's like the che guevara of the gynecaeum i swear.
BingoBoingo: I mean in St Louis they also got governor elect's wife
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they do have a point, man at wheel is uniquely vulnerable, law doesn't much help.
mircea_popescu: phf ftr you definitely gotta see the recent triad if you haven't already.
mircea_popescu suspects the proper romanian expletive to discuss these dorks would be "sa-mi bag pula-n ei de figuranti ; ma pis pe ma-sa si-i dau foc."
phf: haha, well, we're on the same page. i have a soft spot for shoulder pads, because that's your 80s moscows, blade runner, so i just can't see them in terms of "hear me roar". but i think we had the whole sean young thread before..
mircea_popescu: heh. did this one also torture martians / rape baby seals or is he from the other side of the Great Delusion.
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah, now it is the "urban" http://qntra.net/2016/12/missouri-state-representative-elect-bruce-franks-robbed-at-gunpoint/
mircea_popescu: but hey, provincial towns gotta copy new york don;t they.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and has been, since at least the 70s. we used to call the 2nd area "the bronx"
BingoBoingo: BUt anyways, the US is divided into two areas. Ones where you can sit in your car, make phone calls, and smoke all the cigarettes you want in said car; and places where if you sit in your car too long after car stops a child puts a gun in your face.
mircea_popescu: so, predictably, they just parasithized it, because of the wanna-be-woman faggotry, some wanna be woman "as historical essence" and some "as current fashion", so you ended up with that wham idiot doing shoulderpads and girly hairdos ; and sir what's his face, the fat ugly one doing "historical hats like queen liz"
mircea_popescu: ie, "feminist" made not "political-identity-gay" made. mostly because at the time gay==faggot, there wasn't a "political-identity-gay" machine.
mircea_popescu: they did tend to go mostly with lion's made hairdos for womenz.
mircea_popescu: i thought shoulderpads were the first dry run of the whole "i r lion hear me roar!" thing.
phf: aah, i see your point, though i'm not sure about the definition of a thing in relation to "really into". a thing is a fad. gays started this particular fad, "everyone" was on board for a bit, until the aids epidemic. i think shoulder pads for example are androgynous, likewise a fad
BingoBoingo: Well, there are many deserts of stupid and only so much coal. Most of which goes into lighting the desert of stupid
mircea_popescu: it has all the cachet and all the panache of a "christian rockstar" - the result of a trainload of philistine running out of coal in a desert of stupid.
mircea_popescu: that whole "prohibition heroes" thing was, and is, an incredibly transparent, and screamingly lame attempt by the puritan wanna-be preacher apparatus ( https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fe/de/d0/feded087bb5b76da57473b6e7078ffaf.jpg << t5his guy ) to make up a socialist hero to go with the actual hero, the al capones, meyer lanskis and bugsy siegels.
mircea_popescu: it's not even deep enough, because not only "he's all tough and shit like lock ness monster" claim holds , but the fducking monster ISNT TOUGH.
mircea_popescu: how can i distinguish this story from "roger ver, who once had the most bitcoins of anyone on the planet, thinks thedaoattacker would make a fine bitcoin developer" ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more. << /me read it as old fart who was was befroe becoming old fart thought child robber would make good field operative. But the crime as I read is he doesn't figure that the child already is a field oe
mircea_popescu: once that went away, "the androgyny thing" that never was a thing to begin with ~if you weren't really into fucking boys~ also went away.
mircea_popescu: phf but my idea is... the "androgyny" thing only exists because gay dudes masquerading.
mircea_popescu: the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more.
phf: well, besson was making decade appropriate genre movies. new york new wave did the whole androgyny in the 80s, by the 90s everyone else caught up. plus there was gainsbourg paving the way with his épatage
mircea_popescu: i'm supposed to be impressed with some dork who ran around threatening "to tell" on everyone in the schoolyard for smoking because his mommy told him to, oh noes, prohibition agent / hero. ffs already.
mircea_popescu: he was sitting in his car. He told me that he was impressed by the kid's composure and thought he's make a good field operative..."
mircea_popescu: and in lafond lulz, "I used to work with Mister Bill, who was retired from Army Intelligence in the early 1970s. During the Vietnam War he tortured Viet Cong and NVA regulars at Fort Meadeno shit. he trained guys in field interrogations using real enemy. This guy looked like Eliot Nessused to intimidate all of is coworkers just by the way he smoked his cigarette and wore his fedora. A 13-year-old kid stuck him up while
mircea_popescu: one way to look at thw hole "gay rights" thing is, "the dudes who'd rather fuck boys really belong on their own reservation rather than flooding the market with dumb looking tomboys"
mircea_popescu: oblems; this isn't one of them."
mircea_popescu: Security specialist Bruce Schneier, for one, does not see any urgent need for better random numbers. Schneier helped create the widely used Fortuna pseudorandom-number generator, and says there are already many adequate sources. "In my world no one's worried about this," he said. "These systems already work" to provide secure communications when attention is paid to all of the other implementation details. "We have lots of pr
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, they get their tin womenz and we get ours, then we watch the catfight to end all wars.
mircea_popescu: she wasn't even hot in any sense, dear god, any highschool in the region could have provided two better in the same vein.
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno, the eastern european name is in my head taken over by that piece of furniture besson was infatuated with at some point.
ben_vulpes: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill
phf: i only saw him in that one movie, and it's my humorous goto visual metaphor for malignant narcissism. i sometimes think that he's only popular in u.s. because of his funny sounding last name, kind of like zizek. like there's a weird feedback loop between the last name and certain kind of social eccentricity
Framedragger: (maybe because the guy played is insuffeable, too..)
Framedragger: nice free association: there's a pretty lulzy but cool film called colour me kubrick. based on tru st0ry in which this almost-homeless alcoholic guy pretends to be kubrick thereby gaining respect, deals, fancy restaurant dining etc. played my malkovich, and it somehow works for me.
mircea_popescu: he's meanwhile run out of audience in the states, was mining buenos aires recently. POETRY READING!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-25 15:48 Framedragger: if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy...
mircea_popescu: the net effect being that it'd take three determined people a few weeks to reconstruct $usg.project's software.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger most of the usg corps steal foss and posture as a business strategy.
Framedragger: (ahh, maybe the key *isn't* on the card.. which makes it slightly less retarted; slightly)
Framedragger: but it seems that the encryption key is (of course) found on the card itself (one can just dd...), in a weird 'meta' part. it's just aes 128 bit. sek00rity
Framedragger: if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy...
mircea_popescu: how can he be ~this fucking blind~ is beyond conception, and then he talks of "state worshiping iyi". dude... YOURE ON MEDIUM.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-25 04:50 pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/opacity/no-jesus-was-not-a-nonwhite-refugee-who-would-have-voted-for-43779209eea4#.1ii46ja1m << pics of ancient stone busts, which really are the story here, don't archive
mircea_popescu: even the comintern knew better than that ; and the comintern consisted of random plow pushers taken to town last spring.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-25 04:37 phf: "... for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590397 << the lulziest part in all that aren't the various necessary insanities cribbed from the cold sweat of the other socialisms ; but the notion that "our allies". dude what ?! the regime has allies ?!
pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/opacity/no-jesus-was-not-a-nonwhite-refugee-who-would-have-voted-for-43779209eea4#.1ii46ja1m << pics of ancient stone busts, which really are the story here, don't archive
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/0WjCL << Taleb : "The problem with identity politics is that they are fully ignorant of, among other things, history. And they must be as blind visually as they are intellectually."
phf: oh right, they are not here..
phf: "... for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies."
mats: (Director of the NSA no longer also runs CYBERCOM)
BingoBoingo: phf: Then go to store get vitriol. The kind we (as opposed to ether huffers) deal in is commonly sold as "Amazing liquid fire" drain cleaner.
mircea_popescu: well you did read the police hting
phf: i don't think i can produce any amount of vitriol necessary for the subject
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BunnyFuxalot/status/793954128657412097 << in other lulz the twitter hate speech ai detector is working like a charm.
mircea_popescu: and in other red cups, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b8c5dcbb38fc96353b2f157093e8c64b/tumblr_nxvb818rJ11uqi6wxo1_1280.jpg
phf: asciilifeform: for serious, the utter wtf charging documents
Framedragger: but sometimes one may indulge and do the whole suspension of disbelief thing :) but yes, quite, hm
phf: "Upon his arrest, Katz told the officer that he was there to rescue the girl, and should have first called police, according to charging documents."
mircea_popescu: i wonder if sv investors carry 15yo cop insurance for their lead engineers by now.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem isn't "founding os projects" but quite orthogonal to that : ustards have a significant mental problem whereby they imagine they will separate funding and activity. the existence of a so called "foundation" is the usual macula of this sort of idiocy, much like chancre is the mark of syphilis.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principle espoused is sound - you want a client because you want to control the software ; the application involved however who knows,.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 14:23 mircea_popescu: ReutersEmily the real reason you want a client is that you can then install otr, which is a cryptographically secure plugin allowing you to have private conversations safe from any snoops. and that is good quality safety, not the sort of crud normally peddled.
Framedragger: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ << was planning to go to sleep easily and wake up with light christmas spirit. dreams will now be filled with automata
ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/fancy-bear-hack-of-ukrainian-artillery-fighters-shows-future-of-war << android apps distributed over forums is some great indicator of how the world works
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 18:01 asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590268 << funnily enough, in .lt there is that word, and it means something like "illegal taxi driver" (yes precisely that level of specificity). like microvans in the balkans etc. i have nfi how this happened :D
hanbot: lol. juuuust my pw for the coffee cache.
asciilifeform: the rifle MAY make an acceptable boar oar. but if it does, it will be purely by accident.
asciilifeform: (whether 'collision resistance' of any hash is a matter of demonstrable physical reality, or of imagination, is wholly separate subject)
asciilifeform: and this would not count against their collision resistance, which was the only property actually asked for by the designer.
asciilifeform: (for instance, it may well be the case that, e.g., sha2, or keccak, leak, say, the parity of the incoming bitstring into the hash. or some other property.)
asciilifeform: this came up in the rng whitening thread, but bears mentioning now and again
asciilifeform: and certainly not for other, orthogonal (or even, possibly, contradictory!) properties such as non-leakage and non-structurization
asciilifeform: and the hashes popularly in use are optimized for strictly one thing -- (perceived!) collision resistance
asciilifeform: this is discussed publicly even less often than the pseudoscientific nonsense of block and stream ciphers, but: hashes are necessarily voodoo. elementarily, by counting argument (input:output sets are not 1:1).
asciilifeform: y'know, sappers in popular imagination (and sometimes in life) actually clear mines, but just as often simply put little flat into the earth.
asciilifeform: (proved that there necessarily exists a hash boojum , for any given scheme that includes any hash of whatever kind, that makes the algo fall down.)
asciilifeform: in exactly the way i expected it would fall down on serious examination
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit earlier thread, i found an old piece by shoup that utterly demolishes the oaep nonsense. (unfortunately pdfized, and not convertible meaningfully.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loc == revenue' is simply this century's version of chinese/su 'moar steel, revenue!'
mircea_popescu: the notion that loc = revenue is not unlike the notion that fucking is something you wanna do. it's work, let the girl work for it!
asciilifeform: they are, to borrow from dijkstra, 'cost, not revenue, no matter how many people insist on writing them down on the wrong side of the ledger'
mircea_popescu: more like comparing "ast nodes". not the best and not the worst measure of complexity.
asciilifeform: rather like comparing 'lines of code'
asciilifeform: even then
mircea_popescu: nevertheless - the argument as to neuron count is not directly mass ; it is parts. one DOES compare transistor counts.
asciilifeform: nobody thinks of weighing, e.g., 386 vs pentium to learn which one bangs moar for the buck
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had thread about musculature of pan troglodytes, where many fewer cells in the muscle than a man's, but he can tear the man in half. so even for an ordinary mechanical 'strength', counting mass is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: (and "death" here means a rather complex thing.)
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the "100bn neurons" figure IS MISTAKEN. yes at any point you slice a brain you find something like that ; but neurons also die - yet their death is not automatically in vain now is it!)
asciilifeform: gotta teach the 'grind student' again, by rote, the rote responses to the counterattacks actual people almost immediately came up with.
mircea_popescu: well in this model man uses trillions of neurons to process many GBps. what's their tired flatworm brain to do with all of it ? http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ is prolly de rigueur.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: which is why we could properly qualify this complex as a memetic virus. it infects, and the host can feel it's infected, but can't prevent the infection.
mircea_popescu: it certainly is MADE to be persuasive for the sort of minds coming out of ivy league "colleges"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect on the face, "the difference between stupid 5k cell brains and smart 5k cell brains is in the yottabytes they looked at" is almost persuasive.
asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro
mircea_popescu: it's what "totalitarian" means, after all - everyone is the enemy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fate of the socialist empire in its eternal historical cyclicity is fascinating. so - nazis put everything on large tanks ; and failed. but then soviets put everything on a particular notion of industrialization (steel-per-capita industrialization, so to speak) and... failed. so the one socialist empire left standing is putting it all on "ai". and...
asciilifeform: usg has become such a loathesome and monstrous thing, that there is no fixed set of 'enemy', every earthworm in every step of ground it steps on, becomes enemy
mircea_popescu: but it's why the two week war isn't done after thirteen.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that the approach is trivially defeated in practice. they're relying on a ~fixed~, unchanging enemy. which naivite in the manner of 3yos and their modelling of environment geometries was previously touched upon.
asciilifeform: but the carrots begin to run out.
asciilifeform: afaik the structural diff is that usa traditionally relied on 'carrots' for the seekrit folx, more than 'sticks'
mircea_popescu: they're... not that kind of girl.
mircea_popescu: the criterion is not "optimal efficiency", but "optimal efficiency in the paradigm space".
mircea_popescu: "why would girl go to all thetrouble of pretending on facebook when she could just walk up to every guy in sight and go "hey, wanna feel my tits ?"
asciilifeform: quite likely there is an eight-figure golden toilet contract right at this very moment to attempt to roster, e.g., ts clearance holders who show symptoms of having used bitcoin. and the like.
mircea_popescu: and they expect to do it by pouring lots of gb in very trivial neural/expert systems.
mircea_popescu: it's in the more general form "detection of edges". they want to identify cars, and go winning strategies, and people who don't like them and everything else.
asciilifeform: the real megabux are, apparently, not even in 'data leakage prevention', as the earlier crackpottery is known, but in the yet (afaik) nameless ~detection of the turned~
mircea_popescu: the applications to eg banking are beyond lulzy. but they're willing to destroy the currency (currency ? what currency ? dollars don't pay nothing, it's notes from hitler if you want anything done) to try and prop it up because outside of usg.ai there's nothing
asciilifeform: hence ethertardium etc.
asciilifeform: their ancient dream, yes.