mircea_popescu: i seem to recall early modern ru having one of the lowest capita per area of all the world.
asciilifeform: sit 'round smoky fire all winter long in windowless hell, you, mother-in-law, and the livestock.
mircea_popescu: such bizarro notions. really, because dork can't think it then follows that mp can't be right and nature will go out of its way to accomodate ?
asciilifeform: ah i oughta add that he was praising the traditional ru peasant hut. crowded lowtech.
mircea_popescu: there is no crowded low tech.
asciilifeform: iirc it was re 'potential' to exist in crowded, low-tech hovels without complaint, or the like
mircea_popescu: because why, the only pick-up line he knows comes from dunne ?
asciilifeform: fwiw i think he enjoys playing the circle of idiots he 'works' in meatspace. (the funkenstein_ types).
asciilifeform: because mother gaia cries.
asciilifeform: aha. cast out them devils. but also don't forget to cast out the pennies in yer pockets, your reactors, diesel engines, and give'em all to $huckster.
asciilifeform: (it contained the familiar ~deliberate~, not at all a result of intellectual sloppiness, conflation, of 'genetically modified' and 'monsanto')
mircea_popescu: it's funny how each little churchlet of the "reason&science" persuasion has a very carefully not named devil or two.\
asciilifeform: i will omit the 'genetically modified evils' chapter, to preserve appetites
asciilifeform: the nyt-made alt-stalin. but approx., yes.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no source of energy available in any sense outside of that.
asciilifeform: folx from whom 'the sense of being stolen from was stolen', develop these peculiar leprosies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: usg came up with idea of hiding the tax burden under spurious headings, dorks imported it somehow. then ten years later "obamacare is not a tax". sa mori tu ?
mircea_popescu: what's with all the idiots counting "regulatory cost" as a thing in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: at issue isn't whether they're systematic or systemic ; but whether they're projective.
asciilifeform: (the organized-deindustrialization thread)
mircea_popescu: there's intelligentsia and intelliglantsia. both equally bankrupt pseudointellectual endeavours, although on superficial examination "opposite". therefore, lettuce teach the controversy!
mircea_popescu: afaik it spawned actually straight out of the whole "hide caches of $stuff in yurp" programme.
asciilifeform: it is interesting, more so they made it for ~themselves~ than even for the orcs. you go to a 'hip' washington b00kstore, and 'russia' section, 100% gulag, with a few ivan iv.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's impossible to hide the albright from any of this. but then again they don't specifically aim to hide it from us, secure in the knowledge that the orcs it's addresses to entirely lack the receptors in the first place. which is true.
asciilifeform: aha, the voice synth thread
mircea_popescu: turned being the operative word.
mircea_popescu: well, it's complicated. and obviously nonsensical on the face of it, which is why it's being approached very gingerly. and also why the poster child of the whole movement, its sam altman if you will, is this ex physicist turned "philosopher".
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the gambit would be described as "knowledge is evil in that it bestows power, only through neutering the power element may it be rendered pure", something after this fashion.
mircea_popescu: not exactly ; there's a particular vein of competent orc being developed here.
mircea_popescu: re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains.
mircea_popescu: a decade ago this shit used to be a bad joke at best. now it's all the maga that's left.
mircea_popescu: the same fucking BEIGE. everything gotta be beige, that's how you know it's the future. the same inept fucking "actors", the same literotica-level scripts, the same blergh.
mircea_popescu tried to watch "her", which supposedly is a movie. it is not. it's a fucking "movie 2.0". it's like these contemptible imbeciles agreed everything in cinema must have rounded corners now. the same inept muzak, a dude on a cello or a piano or a single instrument going SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE. this is now music.
asciilifeform: eal work (the servo engine), and meets the necessary criteria of being a strongly-typed, non-GC’d, safe, bit-level language that supports generic programming.'
asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
asciilifeform: nce every few days, to ask the family he had once provided for : “Bread ? Is there bread ?”'
asciilifeform: e bed and collapsed. This former interbellic country gentleman – vineyard owner and horse breeder in the foothills of the Leaota Mountain, denounced by a friend, arrested and beaten by the Securitate in the time of Dej because he had hidden some “cockerels” – had now exhausted all his energy for the sake of a bit of meat on the bone. Later, struck down with sclerosis and bedridden with semi‑paralysis, he was to come round o
asciilifeform: 'In one queue (assembled by the well known false alarm of “the meat lorry is coming,” which used to bring people out from all over the place, causing them scurry about like ants), my seventy‑five year‑old grandfather stood for twelve hours : on the street corner from six in the morning until six in the evening. When he got home, with an empty bag (that day, the lorry had not turned up), he started to feel unwell, leaned on th
mircea_popescu: "why didn;t they do it sooner!" "cuz they didn't feel like it!" "but why did they do it at all!" "cuz they felt like it!"
mircea_popescu: london sewer was not by any means first in world ; but how do you distinguish between the l1 of london building sewer and ben_vulpes making me slut bot ?
asciilifeform: ( re 'public good', the removal of the 'great stink' from 1850s london, by the construction of the -- very costly -- sewer system, finest at the time in the world, is imho instructive. they DID first try every possible method of 'eliminate the problem strictly for mircea_popescu !' -- parliament soaked curtains in lime, folx walked around with cloth masks, etc. but eventually queen barfed when sailing in pleasure boat, and that was t
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602276 << lol. they're FACTORIAL not exponential. plox to be serious here, no exp can match this.
mircea_popescu: the price for its light is a definite limit in time ; it will eventually grow hot.
asciilifeform: if it will happen just the same if not paid for , then does not match condition 'must be paid for'
mircea_popescu: well... you will need a new definition then
asciilifeform: so these are not 'public goods' as contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, whether mp alone is repsonsible for half us live births this year, like it works in africa / oceania ; or not -- live births there will be.
asciilifeform: sunlight is ~the~ good but also not problematic, because it dun give a fuck whether anyone asked for it or not, and there is no credit card slot to pay into for it.
asciilifeform: forum! another publicgood.
mircea_popescu: which brings the problem back home : most of the problems you discuss have a huge language externality.
asciilifeform: sorta like how monkey troopy divvy up the jungle, neh
mircea_popescu would pay to see in practice the equivalent of salic electoral law, considering how lulzily salic inheritance worked irl. enough of this angevin bs. you vote in electiosn, then each side gets half the country. and so going each 4 years.
asciilifeform: if you can properly and surgically cut it, and sell piecemeal, then it is not 'public good' but normal workaday commercial good.
mircea_popescu: (i beg forgiveness if i just snap yoru words to classical discourse on the topic, it's for the greater good)
asciilifeform: well you can't , afaik, set up world where the payers get to live obummer-free but the cheapskates get another 8 yrs of him.
asciilifeform: clean street, or dead politicians, etc. remain 'working' for the nonpaying folx.
asciilifeform: it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of.
mircea_popescu: which is somewhat counterintuitive. so i was examining if you're going to stick with the definition or redefine in face of it.
asciilifeform: if shit could talk, it probably would not want to be flushed either.
mircea_popescu: yes, except the rabid weasel does not seem to WANT this public good.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more in the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shooting thieves in the street, or rabid weasels, etc. definitely 'public good' -- they remain dead for all the misers who hadn't paid for exterminator service aha
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense it's impractical to not shoot them, but still the bullet is produced.
asciilifeform: perhaps: item that is impractical to withhold from freeloaders, but nevertheless must be paid for.
mircea_popescu: ok so then. stop using strings for concepts. what do you mean by "public good" ?
mircea_popescu: this is also how banking works, "you can have all the money you don't need you could wish -- but don't ask for money when you need it!"
mircea_popescu: (qs i will remind stands for quantum sufficit, or else satiem. satiem is the word that gave sated. the presumption here, etymologically-amusing as it is, is that something can be qs only if there's no "black hole" of appetite. mmkay.)
mircea_popescu: this is a fiction, which may be convenient for personal reasons. but nothing is like this. note above : we have an infinity of chatlines, literally, avaailable each day. nevertheless, the bot is vaguely constrained.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'available ad libitum to those within the walls' << this means there's an infinite supply.
mircea_popescu: there are known from history many numerous models of cities.
asciilifeform: or the water.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
asciilifeform: where, yes you can run >1 proggy on 1 box, but there are very real costs.
asciilifeform: imho best thread re same was the 'unix vs msdos' one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho at some point we oughta pick up again the 'big city' thread, because the engineering tradeoffs of, e.g., gc, (esp. on hardware that does 0 to help) are very real.
mircea_popescu: but the teachers were still petrified.
mircea_popescu: i showed up for ~40% of classes. which was about the most either me or the system could carry.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu only show up for exam day or the like
mircea_popescu: you laugh ben_vulpes , but consider that a 15yo mp, much more imperious, much less sexually and otherwise pacified, had to go to school. PUBLIC school.
ben_vulpes: you only need a phf to teach noobs if the noob is you
mircea_popescu: phf if you feel like it, you can do a weekly lisp class by appointment, look in the log when there's usually holes and intersect with your schedule and there you go.
ben_vulpes: the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc than i did a week ago...
phf: asciilifeform: just look at the chainstate log. that's how it was. but on one hand it became impractical to prefix every time. and the other reason is that c*ndi_lustt is not a repl bot by original design. "BRAIN" function supposed to take arbitrary text, and process it. in order to actually get to repl you have to use "c*ndi_lustt eat <url>"
mircea_popescu: both wanting a clean channel and wanting a repl bot are legitimate wants, neither necessarily has to yield to the other, we see how it goeth.
phf: asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea is for this to be a toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE THING YOU DIE" coda.
asciilifeform: why not have the thing answer to its own name strictly
candi_lustt: The value "no good" is not of type number
ben_vulpes: if you want a default that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam that in there
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can it only retort if its name is on the line ? otherwise this will become problematic
asciilifeform: parentheses ??
candi_lustt: The variable is is unbound.
asciilifeform: i keep it in the work room.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no good chem solution for your problem as it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just wait. your skin exfoliates naturally, they will come off.
BingoBoingo: then try lava soap
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yeah, got most of it off with wet sand, still remains the conformal crud.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo what the hell does one use to get gap-sealing foam off skin ? my hands look like 'advance leprousy' after two dozen washes with 4+ solvents..
mircea_popescu: could set the footnote to arbitrary anything, but meh. and i see no good way out of the comment thing, because it ~is~ stuck parsing the comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform comments don't allow < semantically because it's the start of a html tag ; articles have problems parsing (( and )) because it's footnote convention
mircea_popescu: fixed footnote. lisp dun mix well with the footnote system
ben_vulpes: anyone with eval permissions could register the nick, so may as well do it yourself.
asciilifeform: in re shannonizer lulz, http://www.onthelambda.com/2014/02/20/how-to-fake-a-sophisticated-knowledge-of-wine-with-markov-chains/
ben_vulpes: so i guess in five minutes or so i'll restart her when freenode wakes up to the dead socket?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 20:13 candi_lustt: error: #<sb-int:simple-reader-package-error "The symbol ~S is not external in the ~A package." {10070E98E3}>
candi_lustt: The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: #<sb-impl::string-input-stream {1007504E23}>
ben_vulpes: also http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-3947.0-4087.77 would be worth preserving whitespace in to make the point
trinque: ben_vulpes: if you princ that error iirc it wont fart out the format string
candi_lustt: error: The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: #<sb-impl::string-input-stream {10071B3B53}>
candi_lustt: error: #<sb-int:simple-reader-package-error "The symbol ~S is not external in the ~A package." {10070E98E3}>
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : ben_vulpes would you join candi here and set everyone in l1 to its eat list ? i deem you've satisfied contractual obligations re support ; if you'll be kind enough to bring it back within a day or two should it get knocked off that's entirely fine by my lights. and everyone else : have fun with the lisp repl, but don't abuse.
jhvh1: thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <jurov> http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/13/mothers-and-fathers/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Mothers and fathers.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that places like oslo, bangkok, etc. with draconian auto tax, still have jams.
mircea_popescu: ironically, i'd make the auto tax 100x yearly average income.
asciilifeform: it so happens that i read all of the material from the naggum archive. and apparently d00d lived in oslo, a very strongly socialist hellhole, and hated it for all of the right reasons.
mircea_popescu: naggum evidently intends restrictions as to shape AND USAGE. this you don't see because you opt to, but in his world, as constructed from his words, it is legitimate for someone to come and tell you "this isn't a proper use of the public service", and it is illegitimate for you to retort "tough"
asciilifeform: 'available ad libitum to those within the walls'
mircea_popescu: but in any case there's absolutely no progre monopoly on civilisation. on the contrary.
asciilifeform: 'public service' does not necessarily mean 'communist', just means that it is available to folks within the walls. can have price of admission, as in medieval germany, it is not specified how 'public road' is paid for.
mircea_popescu: this is a generous read to the point of wishful thinking, i suspect.
asciilifeform: actually from my reading naggum's 'city' is simply 'place where the mains sockets work, the roads are smooth, and vehicle can be mercedes and not necessarily mule'
mircea_popescu: "big city" is very specifically NOT the big city where naggum dreamed to move, as depicted in sex and the city.
mircea_popescu: which is the point, somewhat.
asciilifeform: are we talking of same d00d? because the phf i recall sleeps in a tent, in arizona desert, surrounded by 48 virgins
mircea_popescu: it doesn't shock you, the man's delicacy ?
mircea_popescu: so no, civilisation doth exist irrespective of "follow the road and wear breeches"
mircea_popescu: phf for instance, is shockingly delicate, specifically because he's more from russia than you. and the japanese folk, ESPECIALLY back in the days when misspeaking to samurai == beheading, were remarkably delicate also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is NO RELATION between civilisation and impotence.
mircea_popescu: much like his "car going off road is bad mkay" made my skin crawl. why the fuck would i ALWAYS go anywhere there's a road, what am i, too young to grow a beard ?
asciilifeform: this goes back to the 'tallest tower' thread.
mircea_popescu: there is no future, for the record, for the "big city" understood as rules of pronounciation, high taxes and "public services".
mircea_popescu: this makes me loathe lisp and prefer c.
asciilifeform: 'Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two. You're not in Kansas, anymore. C is the language of the poor farmer village where the allocation of every seed and livestock matters, where taxes are low and public service non-existent.'
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html << possibly related, re the 'resources' thing
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 01:12 phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is that they give you some guarantees about access time, space utilization
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, anyone recall the link to the big array/list discussion cuz i can't fucking find it
a111: Logged on 2015-11-09 04:39 phf: which brings me to the point that i have folders for all but "make new hardware" item in that list of b-a scope in various states of disarray, and it would be great if there was some prioritization, like it was the case with eulora "oh we need this done, you do it".
mircea_popescu: digging through the logs to find a point of reference for " phf that actually goes back to a thread long time ago" i found http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-09#1320422 instead. how did the proposed solution work out for you phf ?
mircea_popescu: i guess they're mostly going to be double bangs from now on huh.
mircea_popescu: nooow then, let's continue with this lisp thingee.
trinque: asciilifeform: they were doing an update on your mitmtron, all done now
BingoBoingo: lol, ben_vulpes spent all the effort ridding himself of disposable VPS constructs, and now has problem which suggest leaning on them again
mircea_popescu: aaand happy fri the 13th
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point is mostly block timing / discovery. you can compare when various anon nodes see blocks to evaluate both the network and any hostile activity.
asciilifeform: i.e. dulap will occasionally drop zoolag! and there is currently nothing i can do to force it not to
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this.
mircea_popescu: so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy.
asciilifeform: file under the 'laptops suck' thread.
asciilifeform: the model airplane you glued when you were 5, was harder.
pete_dushenski: you set the bar here, not me. i'm genuinely curious what alfatronic 'remarkable build' looks like.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ?
asciilifeform: where was he in the 90s
pete_dushenski: for the ignorant, what is remarkable build ? lispmachine on iphone ?
ben_vulpes: ya fuck 'em, get in the wot
pete_dushenski: but that still leaves a lotta jews w/o blogs who have no dentist in the fam!
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh. my father in law too. girl idem ;)
asciilifeform: ended up with a thing ~= the size of a breadbox.
ben_vulpes: father in law
pete_dushenski: lol! ok, let's hear it. why is it bullshit ? because you know an indian guy who will do it in the back of his dirty van ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i am on my own perversely enjoyable swim through the filth atm
asciilifeform: (unless the year is 1995 and it's a 'tadpole sparcbook' etc)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i just built a heathentron box with very similar specs, for roughly 1/4 the cost
ben_vulpes: lol detachable numpad wtf monstrosity have you unearthed pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: in other other strange that should've died two decades ago but lives, anyone missing their old apple 'portable' now has a latter day option : https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-predator-21x/preview/
pete_dushenski learned about wiki hyperlinking in the process. it's... different.
pete_dushenski has updated eulora ubuntu wiki with danielpbarron's archived site now that foxybot is part of the stock downloaded package
ben_vulpes: i am now more completely aware of the question's stupidity, thank you all.
phf: ben_vulpes: it's a silly convention, because count(anything) would've returned the row count. select count(42) from foo would've returned the same result
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: ah thanks very much, there's another newly documented command `getarchive` in there, could you include that too, please? :) (no hurries tho, it's not like they're super essential anyway heh)
ben_vulpes: the really funny thing is that i ran a similar query against a table with one row
pete_dushenski: "Trilema hurt my head on-and-off for Nearly a year.Then it hit me like a ton of bricks-shit." << what chrome thinks my en quote would sound like if it were ro then converted back to en.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: fuck that guy, he left the only usable visual git client for os x to rot without releasing the source.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd one has a proper source, maybe just read the original ? it's a for-romanian-tards discussion of an english piece
mircea_popescu: i cant believe i've not translated the two girls one ?!
pete_dushenski: speaking of romanian bits, thanks to the latest trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ and http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ could use translating imo
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : romanian census 1930 was mostly paid for by the soros foundation of 1930.
mircea_popescu: from ancient tomes : "organizarea actuala a Serviciului Statisticei Demografice, destinata a fi una din realizarile cele mai perfectionate existente in prezent, s'a putu face in primul rind datorita concursului acordat de catre Fundatiunea Americana Rockefeller, care, prin conventiunea incheiata cu Ministerul Sanatatii, asigura timp the patru ani insemnate fonduri banesti, pina la un procent de 44.39% din totalul fondului de
mircea_popescu: they're not terribly expensive, if you have an automated process can get 10-20 up at all times with a lifetime no longer than 2-4 weeks for less than 1btc/year. experimentally that's the lower margin of enough.
mircea_popescu: gets around the whole "enemy knows who it's talking to" thing.
mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
whaack: ty! I just finished setting up a bouncer. Re the last time I was here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550381 my ultimate solution was just clearing my .bitcoin I believe and running it again and it did not get stuck. I never figured out why i was stuck
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/gtrl-or-gtfo/ << in other great agains from before the great great again.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "the community"
ben_vulpes: who is the monoagent in webtech? i see a zillion "dev", "companies" etc
mircea_popescu: right, the soviets had the same issue, their ideology became ever more windingly complex.
ben_vulpes: yeah or why every day i come home there's some gorgeous new socialist propaganda to scour off the walls
mircea_popescu: re the "research project" : the data's there. if anyone cares, can go use it ; if not cares, not cares. either way problem solved.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 14:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599758 << i have trouble reconciling the obvious correctness of this statement with the ballooning of complexity in eg webtech
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 19:32 ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601941 << this is a useful record in that one can take the list of mimisbrunnr , which exists timestampted in chan, and compare to list of blockchain.info for instance, see what dt is involved. sum it up over 10k blocks or whatever
mircea_popescu: maybe they should shoot some flaming ice for a change.
ben_vulpes: in other usg scientism: https://www.elgaronline.com/view/journals/roke/5-1/roke.2017.01.08.xml
asciilifeform: in other cases collisions need some form of structure to be useful, but this is only mild consolation.
asciilifeform: (consider one especially disastrous meltdown: in the merkle tree variant of lamport's signature scheme, you are hashing over RNG output. so if ANY collision whatsoever can be found, the enemy can forge signatures at will.)
asciilifeform: otherwise it reduces to a fancy crc32.
asciilifeform: if you can find ~any~ collision, the hash is broken.
asciilifeform: (to use the nomenclature in mircea_popescu's piece strictly)
asciilifeform: when you look for a hash collision, your goal is to find ~some~ M that produces the particular desired R.
mircea_popescu: but you have neither S nor M.
asciilifeform: from the output with which you want a collision.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't have a proggy written, but the general idea is not monumentally arcane -- you simply work backwards
asciilifeform: information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15 ...'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in völkischer beobachter , https://archive.is/Xztp7 >> 'In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections. ... Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence
ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah, yeah. less than useful i suppose then if it's mostly an indicator of node state.
asciilifeform: then again, traditional hash algos 'solve' (i.e. pretend to solve) this by 'every sub-op of hashing affects all output bits' which is largely promisetronic.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu while sleeping i had a thought re http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function and my earlier attempt thereof likewise : that the thing may not in fact be ~collision-resistant~ (it may not be so difficult to take an arbitrary desired output and find a tape that hashes to it.)
trinque: https://www.rt.com/viral/373450-robot-kill-switches-status/ << in other delusional jackoffs
asciilifeform: but only the familiar blackhole-catchup-blackhole-catchup cycle.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aaaah, so there were not necessarily any blox mined in 3sec.
trinque: incidentally mats, catch any of the mattis confirmation hearing? sounded to be about 50% "but what about the womens and gays?!" before I turned it off.
ben_vulpes: there is some lag between when it learns about a block and when it reports it to irc, as it dumps and parses blocks, but it reports the logged timestamp accurately to the best of my knowledge.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes how does mimisbrunnr compute the tslb ? (is it the time block was received on your box ? or some other..?)
asciilifeform: in late 19th c. usa, the land of p.t. barnum & co, there was a (one of many) mass-hysteria crackpotteries, an obsession with 'properly chewing your food before you swallow it.' complete with maxims such as the unforgettable 'nature shall castigate those who don't masticate!' the hayek, rand, etc. folx reminds me of nothing more than of this.
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