asciilifeform: given that contract is a thing only to the people in it -- sure.
ben_vulpes: there is no bar to presentation of previously signed documents at a later point.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only in heathendom
asciilifeform: quite implicit, the marriage was certainly not executed here.
ben_vulpes: in absence of counterclaim, is davout's wife then
asciilifeform: smoked the smallest cigs i ever saw
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616348 << do "marriage" and "divorce" even have much of a place in the republic?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what means "state to petraeus" then?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:55 mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000250.html
asciilifeform: hot, then, fusion, for this example. but sure.
asciilifeform: for the sake of properly massaging subj -- why not gas phase ?
mircea_popescu: but in any case the pressurizing of a gas won't yield significant caloric capacity to matter in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: point being, a gas phase lifeform is rather unlikely, and a solid phase one'd be utterly slow.
mircea_popescu: considering you're about 50kgs of water and 50grams of sweat, i hardly see the difference.
mircea_popescu: yes, so there's a latent phasechange heat of what, 17k or so, roughly 4 degree's worth.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other fluids, https://68.media.tumblr.com/74197ec1120e912f88282821bd2b55cd/tumblr_oj5xe2Vf2C1vaj9mco1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: aka heat required to raise a gram of the material 1c
mircea_popescu: veen if you bother to do the math you'll see there's actually pretty good reason to suspect life ~= water within three or so sigmas.
mircea_popescu: these more-than-order-of-magnitude differentials matter in engineering.\
mircea_popescu: your planet will either need large oceans of something else (what ? water ? then water-life will take over) or else will experience large temperature swings
veen: i'm no expert in the field of biochemistry, but i'm aware models have been proposed
mircea_popescu: understand that water is important because it does (at least) two pumps simultaneously. firstly the heat pump, secondly the synthesis pump. it is : a) an oxide (this means it doesn't burn -- not just "not in oxygen" but not in general, few elements are more reacrtive to substitute) which b) has an immense caloric capacity and also c) is a very powerful universal solvent.
mircea_popescu: even entertaining the zoological angle. what alternative pump do you envisage ?
veen: rule out metabolic pathways that spontaneously arose in oceans of methane and the search is ~guaranteed to come up dry
veen: i perceive the interest to be more zoological
ben_vulpes: the search for life that's more or less pretty much just like us, so far away as to provide a nice escape out of having to do anything other than write grants
mircea_popescu: well it's kind-of the interest no ? "can trump build hotel resort"
veen: https://archive.is/x57D1 << "NASA…has discovered a new solar system [with] three [planets] that sit squarely in the so-called ‘habitable zone,’ meaning that there is the potential for liquid water: the key for life on another planet."
mircea_popescu: and in today's dose of monster wtf : "<DicePower> So like, the 0.1.2b .tar.gz contains multiple files with the same name but of different case, i.e., EuloraV0.1.2\art\Graveyard~ and EuloraV0.1.2\art\GRAVEYARD~ which Windows wants to fix by overwriting one when the .tar is unzipped. What is the proper course of action to avoid later linking errors, etc.?"
mircea_popescu: and some weird behaviours in the mempool.
mircea_popescu: 4 blocks in the past EIGHTY MINUTES.
asciilifeform: the ping thing did some ill, and an unknown, possibly null, amount of good.
asciilifeform: in other noose, dulap is caught up.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/iOsua << in other lulz. Ur-fearing bitcoin, old lizard starts push of chumps into ye olde paperizable gold.
trinque: logic being, I guess, if I can't smell the fart AT LEAST I CAN SEE IT
mircea_popescu: "what's the ultimate in orgasms ?" "to come powder. out your ass."
mircea_popescu: that's the source of humour : that he's a walking stereotype and apparently unaware.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a42985808d79ae56347dae7105d9fab4/tumblr_olr2iiYWGU1u7ekixo1_1280.jpg
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes the alert messages said 'URGENT: Alert key compromised, upgrade required.' iirc this was part of prb's scheduled retirement of the alert crapola.
asciilifeform: either peculiarly broken clients have proliferated, or somebody's flipping bits on the wire...
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jJ7iS/?raw=true << on a traditional (zoolag) trb node. i never once saw these in past log readings, and now they are quite common.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it << thread was memorialized, apparently, on mircea_popescu's www
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:17 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?
asciilifeform: there is a dark heathen world of proprietary ada compilers, mostly for winblowz, but they are so rare, you will find them on no warez, anywhere.
asciilifeform: (same problem as gcc, but difference is, gcc will -- theoretically -- build on certain other compilers, though i have nfi when anyone last attempted this. but there are not and never were any open alternatives to gnat.)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'IN THE PURSUIT OF UNTHINK In order to let our collective curiosities be the ultimate guide in our journey to pursue the meaningful opportunities of tomorrow, we are always looking to assemble a talent pool, that is not just content with thinking differently, but thinks a whole lot differently. We like to call this phenomenon 'unthink' and Gaditek is 'where unthink is'.' ( http://www.gaditek.com -- runs a prb node. )
asciilifeform: 'The oldest version that was checked is 2.6.18 (Sep 2006), which is vulnerable. However, the bug was introduced before that, probably in the first release with DCCP support (2.6.14, Oct 2005). The kernel needs to be built with CONFIG_IP_DCCP for the vulnerability to be present. A lot of modern distributions enable this option by default.'
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in comedic theatre, https://archive.is/NvRz0 >> 'This is an announcement about CVE-2017-6074 [1] which is a double-free vulnerability I found in the Linux kernel. It can be exploited to gain kernel code execution from an unprivileged processes.'
asciilifeform: in other noose, the goodbye_pingers experiment is not a mega-success, dulap is 30+ blox behind
ben_vulpes: yeah, meatsacks shouldn't operate their own road ice.
mircea_popescu: see the pattern ?
mircea_popescu: well... it's a alright. the i...
mircea_popescu: they try.
ben_vulpes: aah. hey is the fed ai yet?
mircea_popescu: now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so...
mircea_popescu: for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima.
mircea_popescu: similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil.
ben_vulpes: 'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'?
mircea_popescu: much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day.
mircea_popescu: that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.
ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches
mircea_popescu: other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again.
mircea_popescu: how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior.
mircea_popescu: this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint.
mircea_popescu: in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised"
mircea_popescu: they need it, the wunderwaffen response to the http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ problem ; the republic does not, http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ etc.
ben_vulpes: to use it against other 'ai'?
mircea_popescu: yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work.
ben_vulpes: "Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to."
mircea_popescu: hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-ii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part II
mircea_popescu: "you won't like that other one."
mircea_popescu: "i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another."
trinque: in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!"
mircea_popescu: total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1"
mircea_popescu: The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that, Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYUs Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I dont know what the intelligence community can do about that.
asciilifeform: (starting with twatter inc, then moving on to pnoje carrier, os vendor, et al)
asciilifeform: the set of folx who can pump arbitrary crapola into it, is likely in the 100s, or 1000s
mircea_popescu: besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has.
mircea_popescu: "and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?"
mircea_popescu: that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao
mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
asciilifeform: (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.)
asciilifeform: it is quite equivalent to scrapping the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: (4) is unfortunately ultimately rubbish, it is really the single-threaded, polled socket handler of trb that is ultimately morally responsible.
asciilifeform: 1. 'blackhole.' 2. tcpdump on two blackholed trb nodes. multitude of peers emitting 'ping, ping, ping...' and soaking up sockets. 3. hypothesis: killing socket hoggers will dissolve blackhole. 4. 'socket-hogging prb is responsible for blackhole condition'
mircea_popescu: experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed ; 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools ; 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to leave dulap as it is , to see how this change affects blackhole, but it does carry some of the 'trucks of britain' problem (as described by mircea_popescu article -- 'trucks over 5 tonnes will experimentally drive on left side of road first!11')
mircea_popescu: "this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc.
mircea_popescu: you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment.
asciilifeform: to clarify: dulap is running the revised patch.
mircea_popescu: well, once they ping
mircea_popescu: that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal.
mircea_popescu: some blocks get through in the brief interval.
asciilifeform: i am rather surprised, i admit, that dulap is speaking to ~anyone~
asciilifeform: well the -revised ver. is.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack: in case this was unclear to anyone: goodbye-pingers ~breaks connectivity with stock trb~ and ought to be considered experimental/dangerous . it is not yet clear to me that the pill is an improvement over the disease.
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit.
asciilifeform: x11, or gcc, etc are easily 1000x the volume of shit. and successfully llvm'd.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush.
mircea_popescu: specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far.
mircea_popescu: we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, if fighting another civilised man.
mircea_popescu: the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in
mircea_popescu: which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make.
asciilifeform: there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho
mircea_popescu: "wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro"
mircea_popescu: take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency.
asciilifeform: the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes.
asciilifeform: because as it is, trb nodes (such as zoolag) are getting the hammer.
asciilifeform: (or rather, no longer emits pings. trb nodes emitting pings -- still banhammered)
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing
mircea_popescu: i'm sure about half the locker rooms in all highschools in history contained picture of most accomplished slut/jock in the class with words scribbled on it.
ben_vulpes: rather rude litte gnome isn't it.
trinque: in point of fact, I did bother to grep for ping.
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder whether anybody is even awake.
mod6: ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then?
mod6: im gonna build in your patch and deploy. see how it goes, thank you for your submission to the ML.
asciilifeform: mod6: dulap (with the new snip) is actually beating zoolag
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html << ok, thx!
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 104.199.165.17 << google spider . now attempts to connect to trb nodez.
asciilifeform: and then went on to 'it will take two weeks'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/qtwGu seems to claim that ru let city of new york autopsy churkin !
pete_dushenski to hit some e-notes (the music kind)
mircea_popescu: not the tibetansd.
asciilifeform: the chinese shoot in stadiums, with roaring crowds.
mircea_popescu: there's not going to be any stream in turkey.
mircea_popescu: if you simply aim to win, there's no marked benefit.
mircea_popescu: the impale thing happens when you aim to educate, which is what the display of violence without possibility of recourse is all about.
mircea_popescu: because the education of imbeciles is not on my budget.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in, e.g., erdogan's place, if you 'had won, and Still In Power, and They Will Never Leave Jail', would you secretly stow the defeated in some jail ? or impale on public square, where everyone can see'em ? why not the latter ?
mircea_popescu: the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset.
mircea_popescu: mno. by the time you have to resort to "in my village it rains apples, SO THERE!" you can "win", but it'll be all by yourself.
mircea_popescu: none of your business in which jail are they. suffice it to be said that they aren't ever coming out. and whoever feels uppity in usg "deep state" is very much next.
asciilifeform: hey even mr.t over here is theoretically still-in-power.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-15 20:05 mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt.
mircea_popescu: you're aware erdogan is still in power, and the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614142 "victims" are literally lost.
asciilifeform: in which jail are they
mircea_popescu: most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell.
asciilifeform: killing envoys was ~the~ act of war, since, idk, before hammurabi
mircea_popescu: no, don't slide. you were discussing "the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'".
mircea_popescu: this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him.
asciilifeform: to the point where usg can poison beloved ambassador d00d and 0 risk
asciilifeform: the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'
mircea_popescu: as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one.
mircea_popescu: whether it'll be enough or not, for what it aims to do or for something else, is an entirely different discussion. but the important point is that man has raeched that sad level of overpopulation where it assembles into meta-creatures.
asciilifeform: only in the cow-is-methane-vendor sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for this discussion, every inner city black thug who sits down to start his own brothel is (like, say, http://trilema.com/2016/hustle-flow/ ) is laying down a new cognitive capacity farm.
mircea_popescu: on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall"
mircea_popescu: and the list could go on.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha
mircea_popescu: so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 ; but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet ; or any kind of response to the chinese missilization ; or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east ; or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele
mircea_popescu: we were talking about cognitive capability ; not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway"
asciilifeform: very easy to say for d00d who uses 0 of these and can't even picture why anyone would.
mircea_popescu: are you talking about llvm or about the imaginary market for "Tablets" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well noshit, they did it once, how many times does what other company create product category from thin air, in which literally every other vendor remains trabant imitator
veen: > our scientism has shown these facts to be self-evident! such reasoning is sufficient to affect trajectory of body politic and clown car alike
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
mircea_popescu: back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will ; they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing.
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing that is even vaguely similar to that is the sort of deep-in-the-bowels systems engineering as to my mind best exemplified by the llvm thing and ~nothing else.
asciilifeform: wwwtronic idiocies mostly live in the former camp
asciilifeform: quite disjoint sets, for the most part.
asciilifeform: in my observations there are roughly 2 factions of technocrapolade -- 'microshit': crashes, 'meat-like' malfunctions, shit soup of 'why does this exist', shithubs full of gender-fix-commits, etc; and 'crapple' -- ipnoje that worx 100% of the time you push the button, while slowly recording; amazon's widgets; google's spamless mail; and similarly appealing, sweet and carcinogenic nintendos
mircea_popescu: but ars vita, longa brevis or how that went. very little space for actual agency in the wailing crowd.
mircea_popescu: same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is method. random js crapolade on some indian www may be monkey throwing shit against a wall. an item like 'amazon alexa' is not.
mircea_popescu: same thing that produced the above microsoft networking paradigm.
mircea_popescu: the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybody;s fault anyway so let's adapt.
asciilifeform: '- Where have you been, Dad? You can wait forever. You have to read the text through the polarizer glasses. Without them, all you’ll see is the ads! - What’s that for? - What do you mean, what’s that for? So nobody who hasn’t paid can read the book! Think, I buy a book, and someone who didn’t buy anything could read it over my shoulder…'
ben_vulpes: even having the lock on is pretty uncommon, people go to lengths to turn it off
ben_vulpes: or the ability to hand phone to friends and unlock it
ben_vulpes: foregoing oblique unlock is going to be hard to jam down the kids throat
mircea_popescu: that part is certainly coming. dreamers moving towards their vats as foretold.
asciilifeform: this is part of a slow, planned anal dilation of the luserbase.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point is not that it will work as printed on the box. but that the machine won't log you in unless it sees a passable room with passable face-like object in it.
ben_vulpes: heh veen and i broke apple's facial recognition on the first day it shipped. filed report, crickets.
asciilifeform: when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well america totally is built on that, no argument there.
mircea_popescu: how many mathematician-surgeons did you meet in 1987 moscow ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the d00d sees, or even wants to see, is the wagonload of cv padding, and the payola stretching bank acct to new decimal places every month
mircea_popescu: if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending.
mircea_popescu: because why, they teach nonsense ? how can he fail to see this ?
mircea_popescu: and he fails to see the fundamental connection between him supporting "science" and at the same time being postgrad at BOTH of these ?
mircea_popescu: lol fellow at both of them ?
asciilifeform: sity and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who studies renewable energy, to the Associated Press.'
asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
asciilifeform: ^ or rather, nodes having malleus
asciilifeform: (see the logs of any operating trb node)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these get banhammered
asciilifeform: meanwhile in lulzistan, https://archive.is/Io6p8 >> '...Apple recently acquired Realface, an up-and-coming Israeli startup with impressive real-time facial recognition software ... Lending credence to rumors that the iPhone 8 may forgo the use of Touch ID in favor of facial recognition, Realface’s software is said to be sophisticated enough... ' << for schmucks who thought 'eh i'll use crapple, with this here plastic camera condom'
BingoBoingo: Also there may be more bogum from getdata command. Apparently ver greater than 60002 "opts-in" to "enhanced" version
asciilifeform: consider how on winblowz the proposition of 'separate out the network code' is not even practical to contemplate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is typical of amateur programmers esp of the windows variety to sorely misrepresent the immense bojum networtking is.
mircea_popescu: but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into.
mircea_popescu: bitch, handle the buffers. let someone who knows what they're doing do the networking for you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd have to be after abolishing the polled socket thing entirely, and salting the earth where it stood, and cleansing with napalm for good measure
asciilifeform: the 'all monkeys are equal' idiocy is deeply baked in.
mircea_popescu: that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source.
asciilifeform: there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit.
asciilifeform: the other major disgrace is that i have no way to make, e.g., zoolag and dulap NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BREAK UP
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aya, the odd thing by my read is that it is responding to rpc calls but hasn't found from whom to get the rest of the blocks
asciilifeform: during which it invariably loses all peers but the one supplying said blocks
asciilifeform: how long has it sat there, ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: aye, can't quite see why it'd be stuck there
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: (any kind of thing, rather)
BingoBoingo: My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I
mircea_popescu: the crap that ends up into blocks would astound oyu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in a block
ben_vulpes: (because everyone reads the logs?)
asciilifeform: btw how come i see 'Unable to decode output address' messages at blockchain.info ? i thought they had latest weirdo addr prb system
mircea_popescu: but we're not even at the point where mosquitoes were exterminated, so...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu sprayed megatonnes of ddt, the pests -- just got high
BingoBoingo: Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger?
asciilifeform: i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem