Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588180 << i won't have time in the nearest future, but for anyone who may be looking into symlinks, this may be useful: https://lwn.net/Articles/650786/
asciilifeform: trinque et al : the 1 thing that still direly needs testing re 'wires' is for somebody to bring up a fresh node entirely via same
mircea_popescu: is he gone to service the camels ?
mircea_popescu: it was the beginning of the end of the british colonial empire. it crashed, where empires come to day, in that god forsaken asshole of the world where fork-bearing regiments are cut to shreds and don't run off on contact. or at all.
mircea_popescu: they had to burn the crops, kill the cows, tear villages stone from stone. losses -- immense, on both sides.
mircea_popescu: at some point lytter i think it was decided the afghanis are befallen under russian spell and invaded.
mircea_popescu: well, the "great race" aha this run to the pacific by russia and the uk settled down eventually with the brits holding india and the russians holding siberia. afghanistan-buffer state.
mircea_popescu: the 1800s british ones i mean.
ben_vulpes: 'some regiments may be cut to ribbons and run on contact, but that does not make them useless'
trinque: I said to him "students may learn swordplay but may not tell us the fork in their hands is a sword"
mircea_popescu: i have no clue how they escaped highschool, intellectually speaking. but here they be.
mircea_popescu: NO IDEA whatsoever of that most fundamental concept of analysis, which is to say "i can write chicken scribblings down and answer FOR A FACTY whether point q is equal to point p"
mircea_popescu: trinque understand : none of these folks had any idea of the mathematical representation subiacent any geometric render. to their eyes, the computer cheats when what they thought alligned planes turn out to have holes between.
mircea_popescu: consider the case at hand. artist must produce some binary files.
mircea_popescu: what is the republican scripting language for idiots (tm) ?
asciilifeform: 'this crud is for the (l)users, not me, wtf'
asciilifeform: there was gpg parse library.
mircea_popescu: this being a phenomenal case of "everybody" -- game graphic artists are a) some of the least literate dogs in carnation and b) some of the people with the most complex needs from computers. WAY ahead "computer engineers" of the silicon valley ilk, aka webtards.
trinque: in the absense of alternative it's totally reasonable
mircea_popescu: yeah but i know of no alternate solution capable of taking blender items and spitting them into eulora.
trinque: it is born of some document the dutchie wrote about "programmig is 4 everybody!"
trinque: not only is python not a language, it was conceived by people who had OPPOSED political views to the republic
asciilifeform: and incidentally freezing also doesn't solve the problem -- there is no written standard, and if there were, it would fill a room and be quite unreadable
asciilifeform: phf's 'this commonlisptron suxxx, i'ma use another' won't work in pythonistan.
asciilifeform: there aren't, in any meaningful sense, multiple implementations.
trinque: you're talking past the point
trinque: ben_vulpes: people could run as many loggers as they want, written in the simplest manner, and then moved on with our lives
ben_vulpes: phf: and then there would be only one logger, which is not in my book the best of worlds.
trinque: ben_vulpes: how the hell am I defending myself by using as many filthy whores as possible?
mircea_popescu: trinque no, it has its merits. of course if you're discussing X topic there will be a THE book, also, this isn't arguing against that.
phf: ben_vulpes: if a111 got moved to sbcl earlier, the redundancy conversation would not have happened, and people happily would be writing trb code instead
mircea_popescu: "but ben_vulpes someone here already fucked a girl, why would you fuck any other ones."
ben_vulpes: the other point i didn't get to make is that i dont' buy the 'personal failing' line; redundancy uber alles
mircea_popescu: phf aha. screaming phf fingerprint. gotta be careful with that, you know. that's how the smart secretary caught her boss in carambolages.
asciilifeform: one of the wins from 'N redundant bots' is that nobody has to rely/build on the one made from used dildo
Framedragger: trinque: the naked truth of it is, i have little experience with lisp, of which "shipped to production" amounts to zero. wanted a bot. wrote modules for sopelbot which turns out to be reliable enough. :)
mircea_popescu: well what other bots ? lobbes ' is older than deedbot iirc. you got 100% of bots made after release, can't complain.
phf: trinque: a111 was running before ircbot/logbot, where's all the lisp bots since (both of ben_vulpes's bots) are using it
trinque: I took a shot at folks present for imitating me and spinning up their own bot rather than writing patches for the only bot in a V tree, but apparently it was buckshot
mircea_popescu: that's because you stepped away just as the firehose was going towards 30 lines/minute. you'll be stuck catching up for hours now.
mircea_popescu can't quite map the 3 bots 1 man thing. who ?
ben_vulpes: well now i've lost the frame
trinque: I thought you *had* used the thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and oh, hey, they all hang off one fleanode. if you want to have crying party, can start with that
trinque: oh? the maintainer of supybot is in chan?
ben_vulpes: taking part in the republic, also a mess of a concept.
trinque: which is no slight to alf's lady. maybe she takes part in the republic as part of his house.
trinque: politics seeming to be a big driver of the evolution of human intelligence, I don't see how someone who says "but no, the arena is not for me" can be said intelligent.
trinque: diana_coman: kinda depends on whether intelligence describes some internal property or is judged by others externally, which circles right back to the top of the thread.
mircea_popescu: well, alf's girl, yes ? quite the mystery!
diana_coman: in principle there could be cases (possibly unknown after all) of intelligent people who READ the log and decided it was not for them; but myeah
phf: huh, i thought it's because you like to play turn based strategies, so the enemy timing is rarely an issue
mircea_popescu: by which light we see the failure to answer and the failure to thrive are not at all unrelated, but really the same thing.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman after all, if the alternative investments weren't that, they'd naturally fold right in, becoming logreaders suo modo. in this view the "who are you" question reflects exactly this, "what of your previous investments is actually meaningful ?"
phf: mircea_popescu: well, on the battlefield you're the events are unfolding in real time and timing is important. in lyceum you can do things at leisure. in the later case you decide how long you have for the lesson, in the first case the enemy does
mircea_popescu: "this examination didn't come with a scoring sheet!! alert!!! how are we to train for the examination111!!!"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for the record alf is wrong in the line you quote. he perceives things that way because he proceeds from nonsensical, outright impossible priors. "if i had a clear idea of what i was doing, i could do it in a week"
Framedragger: for the fs db, eh. hm.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the most pressing matter to my eyes right now is getting ext2/ext4 benchmarked for our specified purpose.
Framedragger: i, too, get confused re. demarcation lines of the two: on the one hand it's supposed to be battlefield against hitler, but on the other hand folks agree that it's also a good place to employ experimental stuff one always wanted to try, for doing things. and i agree with the latter. but then when that stuff stumbles on an issue (because it's fucking experimental), people get outraged.
mircea_popescu: alternatively i could simply declare all that vanity, and propose some people have more of a millstone to break to bits than others.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623585 <- in my opinion "intelligence" is only part of the story here; the split (between who stays/goes) is made less on intelligence lines and more on allegiance lines basically; another way to say it would be that those leaving have already invested themselves too much into various values that are in contradiction with tmsr, hence they will leave, intelligence has nothing to do with it
mircea_popescu: funny, i just an hour ago talked the matter through with a girl training her very first girls, and it turned out on examination that actually... we do.
phf: i don't think it was a waste from the whole Man of Knowledge perspective. i derived a lot of value building one, which makes me think so did others when they built theirs.
Framedragger: << maybe useful for noobs looking for stuff to help with, but evidently they're not.
Framedragger: but on the other hand it's a lot of work on monolith with unclear long-term gains, especially given alf's point that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623480
Framedragger: re. priorities and (natural) lack of 'global amazing konsensus priority list of shit to do', in my humble and very noob mind they are something like; 'p'; gossipd or partial iteration towards it; invoicing system; << these three'd useful for outside-tmsr interests fo sho; and nfi re. trb, as on the one hand it's supposed to be super important,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o btw, you familiar with the leftovers of the periodic medieval "debates" with the jews, which kept having to end up in draws because lol.
mircea_popescu: indeed. consider -- how the above point that started this convo would have been to be phrased, had Framedragger NOT engaged in logbuilding ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone punished newb slavegirl to asstalk ? you take a flexible 1 inch tube, about a meter long, one part goes in her mouth, the other in her ass, she proceeds to talk.
mircea_popescu: should there be any break in sight off the incessant "premier asstalking and talking in our ass institutions in the world!!1"
mircea_popescu: there's at least ten thousand hooks they could readily, just as soon as they find their words, engage with.
mircea_popescu: heck, no further than last week, that susan sontag is not a moron without remainder
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that the left may even be a thing, for instance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which point is it that which 'genius of the left' did not dare to argue ?
Framedragger: phf: i agree with the latter. if nothing else - why not; sure. and sure, a *lot* of busy activity reduces to netflix in one way or another.
mircea_popescu: it could also be "if they think they're so smart, they could at least take a step further than the supposed geniuses of the left WHO DO NOT DARE TRY ARGUE THE POINT, and present their objections."
phf: and i will double down on "never amount to anything", even if to the bulk of those people busy activity might feel very meaningful. "i'm watching netflix, it's important to relax!" etc.
mircea_popescu: phf well yes, buyt he gets to define his terms in pursuit of his theory.
phf: for every theo de raadt where you could argue some kind of "openbsd vs tmsr", there's thousands of potentially useful folks who waste their time with "job" and "side projects", that never amount to anything
Framedragger: this only works in aggregate form though, i guess - difficult to assess at individual level. (but maybe that's the point.)
mircea_popescu: i suppose. it'd have to be close to the fundamentals , as it is fundamental.
mircea_popescu: we could go by proxy -- if inequality diminishes from one generation to the next, it can be broadly said that the generation that passed was useless below the point of nullity. was anti-useful.
Framedragger: is there a definition of usefulness that you'd agree to? (note, if it refers to tmsr, it's circular, of course)
mircea_popescu: humanity decayed into an apparently botomless pit of liquid shit on the lead wings of three centuries worth of "intelligent" folks doing "their own thing" away from the republic.
mircea_popescu: and completely useless in any sense worth the mention.
Framedragger: you're right, ultimately i'm challenged to answer "what is the middle, then", if i claim the falseness. and i (again) do not have much recourse here. i only have individual anecdata of "intelligent folks doing their own thing", completely disjoint from tmsr.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between an inconvenient dichotomy (a purely political notion) and a false dichotomy, just like there's a difference between a painful triangle lodged up your ass and an escherian construction that may only exist on paper.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
mircea_popescu: is there a third alternative ? are the two lobes really the same thing ? what makes it false ?
mircea_popescu: this is a category, the false dichotomy. it's defined, an actual thing. you know, if you say this is an apple and i ask how's it an apple you show it matches the salient parts of the definition.
mircea_popescu: how is the false dichotomy work ?
Framedragger: not to bait or anything - i mean this charitably and honestly. it's just not the most productive approach, imho.
Framedragger: this works to strengthen the notion that tmsr is apex of importance/awesomeness/etc.; as otherwise one would be exposed to the possibility that "maybe we're not so important here anyway." :)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623585 << i humbly think there is a bit of a false dichotomy happening here (first approximation of what "here" is could be, "mircea_popescu's head.") either X is doing useful work for tmsr, or X is necessarily wasting time doing whatever-X-but-not-tmsr'y things (including "having dayjob(s)", "large side-project", etc.)
mircea_popescu: such is the unspeakable advantage of decerebrated life.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the surviving flea imagines itself the first and only flea history has seen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the dead flea tells no tales
asciilifeform: so they did not notice.
asciilifeform: i can only suppose that the last plunger mircea_popescu used, was a bit too thin
mircea_popescu: yeah. there's this readily self-bestowed delusion of security.
mircea_popescu: if california democrats think they're going to escape, they need to know they're getting fucked.
asciilifeform: ^ break with tradition, where 'neither confirm nor deny'
asciilifeform: 'The disclosures “equip our adversaries with tools and information to do us harm,” said Ryan Trapani, a spokesman for the C.I.A. He added that the C.I.A. is legally prohibited from spying on individuals in the United States and “does not do so.”'
asciilifeform: '"If the President is going to make outlandish claims like this in the future, he needs to know he will be exposed and high-ranking people within the US government -- like the director of our intelligence agencies and the FBI -- will be forced to say the President wasn't telling the truth," the California Democrat said.'
mircea_popescu: onlooker get a proper client and stop with the join/part lest you get banned.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ..the bottle? << Apparently makes newsmen in tradition of cazalla and BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: in other noose, somebody's selling a crate of old usgtrons containing 'clipper chip' on shitbay, lel
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0306 << the "no seriously i mean it" flag in action
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at the synchronization of the ladies-behind-the-lords : just as one's sucked in, another's spat out.
asciilifeform: ( pet, answering this : 'you promised to fuck hour ago, and instead you are on the console doing this nonsense' )
asciilifeform: ( which takes all the sport out!111 )
mircea_popescu: oh, is your girl the deep font of all the we-thought-it-was-specifically-alfish big-usg conspiracism ?
asciilifeform: re other 'sad people', asciilifeform's pet is fond of remarking 'if your work did >0, why you not yet been gassed'
mircea_popescu: and in other "what not to do with a girl", http://68.media.tumblr.com/ccaee0a5a25aaede56a797d0df81065a/tumblr_off2dl0sU11vfo18mo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: o, they do ?
asciilifeform: i dun do much for the sad folx, who know that they have tickets reserved for same wagen
mircea_popescu: perhaps explain to him that the entire point is for "the people" to be doomed, and i mean it quite literally, warsaw ghetto liquidation style.
asciilifeform: and the mr.t-uses-snapchat (or what was it) does not exactly disprove.
asciilifeform: fwiw, and i think i mentioned this in the past, asciilifeform's own brother knows what we do here, and likes to say 'futile, people are idiots, nobody will use genuine crypto,' etc
asciilifeform: aha, there is a variant where turning right gets you a wife
mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's also a romanian tale. something with valley of eternal life and the maidens thereof ?
asciilifeform: the endgame is eating nagant.
mircea_popescu: that latter part happens here all the fucking time, at that.
mircea_popescu: which in turn is driven by -- the fact that you're capable to abstractly form criteria is not useful if those criteria exclude "the whole world", because well, by definition that's not a criteria ; and if this situation is passible of occuring, you're in the meta-unfortunate position where you lack the outside authority that may challenge the parts where your abstracted criteria are actually misstated.
mircea_popescu: because that's entirely what sadness is : the perception of the impossibility of a criteria, formed on the basis of extended periods of absent criteria.
mircea_popescu: in short : there's no shortage of distractions, and sorting through them requires a criteria, which is fundamentally incompatible with sadness.
asciilifeform: but has problems interacting with monkeys as if they were people.
asciilifeform: aha, picture it, i could be in there nao, massaging Classification Guides (tm) (r) or somesuch cthonian horror
mircea_popescu: socially inept males aren't born socially inept, nor do they build their ineptitude in a day.
mircea_popescu: not to mention, it wouldn't be the first time. you understand this ? most tried things, in a widening fan, a la alf's own nsa attempt.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of bottles everywhere ; and one who's blind drunk already has serious trouble seeing straight
mircea_popescu: how did that go, "but my son and my daughter came out of the water and said papa you'd promised you'd play..."
a111: 2016-04-27 <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
asciilifeform: what became of the finn.
asciilifeform: e.g. the finn
asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
asciilifeform: i happen to have entire www dedicated to the particular variant of being sad!111
asciilifeform: ..the bottle?
mircea_popescu: which is the mirror statement of this -- peasants can be kept packing mud in the buff by a round table. 40 knights aren't 4, which aren't 2 etcetera.
mircea_popescu: anyway, much more in the general -- the republic of intelligent people will only succeed in rendering the idiots back to their chains if it somehow actually gets the intelligent people involved.
asciilifeform: (i have some notion of what ought ~not~ to go on the table. but 'omit liquishit' does not get you a champion cook title )
asciilifeform: but i'd be the last to know what ought to go on such a table.
asciilifeform: (they ~might~ come to a pre-set table, as mircea_popescu to bitcoin. ~might~)
mircea_popescu: well there is that.
asciilifeform: i even suspect that the ~truly~ capable have formed lethal allergy to entire notion of programming a comp
mircea_popescu: that's a large part of the true problem, i suspect -- people who are truly capable are VERY used to labouring in solitude, becauyse hey, ever since about 6 they encountered the unleashed idiocy of world and formed bad habits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the "i go write trbi" thing is not particularly useful as an exercise in solipsism, herculean or otherwise.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're on subj of 'trbi', i was hoping to see the thread continue, re whether mempools, or whether my particular, or some other, scheme for abolition of mempool can be made to work , and so forth
mircea_popescu: the syren song of "oh, how wasteful" is always the side a of a record that goes the same old droning rooseveltism.
mircea_popescu: phf no, it is not failure or waste. it is the necessary basis for independent human intelligence.
phf: well, i regret spending so much energy on infrastructure, but i saw it as necessary evil. the fact that others had to i see in terms of personal failure at best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you conflate many things. having the car ready doesn't necessitate it being launched early.
asciilifeform: and 0 interest to the luser reddit folx et al. (why would it)
mircea_popescu: phf understand the significant costs of p2p syncronization, as just yesterday exemplified in say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622837 ; the electricity bitcoin burns is an investment, in social order. just like the pyamids.
asciilifeform: i oughta be quite specific re : 'nobody wants'. say i write a trbi, along one of the described schemes. nao wat -- mircea_popescu mines it ? and after this, who will want it ? 'just another premined alt!111' etc.
mircea_popescu: sorta goes in the "parachute - folded before jumping" vein.
mircea_popescu: the "at some point the idiots pulling on the tablecloth will rip it, and the a) here's a replacement is way better than the b) i guess we should think of replacement" ?
asciilifeform: the thing that cools asciilifeform's enthusiasm re 'trbi' to somewhere south of 3 kelvin, is that it isn't clear to him that anybody actually wants this, for something
asciilifeform: ( hey nubbins, i dun need the b00k no moar!111!! )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw at this point i understand (in the arithmetic sense) how it (protocolically) worx
mircea_popescu: but not even it, they can't be high informatio,
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is someone who doesn't know supposed to choose.
mircea_popescu: free fucking will, suppose you go to a mall where they blindfold you and take your credit card.
asciilifeform: (seems to flow out of the 'delusion of free will' comment)
mircea_popescu: and in general, the hallucinant delusion that person is in position to "own free will" and "self determination" and fucking humanism is five quarters of the whole problem.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to address the problem (clearly generated by the unfortunate combination of deep imbecility inborn in americans and the deep suicidal streak of the female state as it is), and so what can i say.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to come back to it : there's a particular vacuum occuring in bitcoin, 2016-2017 so far, whereby the technically competent are relatively improductive, and the inept, instead of standing to attention before them, are stuck producing the inane bs they produce
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi, my contact with this species, fwiw, is 0. there is ppm of cockroach in my coffee, and ppm of mouse in my bread, there is 0 of these in my anything afaik.
asciilifeform: the hanging one?
mircea_popescu: in other news in the same vein, the pirate bay doesn't seem to have... the story of o.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's grandfather pre-'41 was professor of physics; but post-'41 -- cannoneer. because stalin needed cannoneers.
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu dun need, e.g., computer, could have continued to sit on his cocaine yacht in costa rica, until end of his days
mircea_popescu: well, there's no if. i dun need, tis the fucking point of life in any sense. the less you need the better off you'll be.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to squeeze the world through the eye of a needle because i'm so infatuated with conceptual beauty that i can't resist. i can resist jus' fine.
asciilifeform: dunno from whence came the notion that mircea_popescu 'needed'
asciilifeform: or if not -- then obviously not.
mircea_popescu: anyway. not all good things are for that goodness necessarily permitted to exist. maybe humanity is altogether too dumb to have a bitcoin. i guess in time we'll definitely find out.
mircea_popescu: so no, there won't be any turning of gurls into dudes. maybe the reverse, though it seems the process is kinda lossy.
asciilifeform: last i looked out the window i was as 'in' the field as one might hope in any nightmare, neh
mircea_popescu: and shall i send you in the field ?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of unsexy, actually needed work.
mircea_popescu: if they manage to stumble in their own robes and throusers until 2030 or so, trb might even live!
mircea_popescu: vaguely maybe we cut the wallet, i dunno, sometime in 2018, vaguely maybe we make the first steps towards testing some basics re possible db move, maybe by 2019 etc
mircea_popescu: point fucking being, technologically we're what, 10 years away from actually having a worthy replacement ? at the present rate, at least.
asciilifeform: ( at any rate, this'd be the first time a supposed unpreparedness of opponent, kept somebody from firing 1st shot )
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:49 mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: not like we're anymore prepared for this summer than we were for the last.
asciilifeform: mine 1GB, 1TB, 1PB block if they want.
asciilifeform: (i have deeply nfi re what's keeping'em. they can fire the phorkwarz first shot whenever)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not simply that, you'll have to actually go drink the tardswamp if you want specifics.
mircea_popescu: after the horrific failure of the "voting" bs last time around, most nobody gives a shit.
asciilifeform: what do these ~do~..?
asciilifeform: ^ the earliest, if one is to believe, currently known example of nsa sabotaging ~consumer~ crypto
asciilifeform: implement a stream cipher instead of the DES algorithm.'
asciilifeform: 'The PX-1000 is a device capable of transmitting encrypted text messages over telephone lines. We show that the original version that was produced by TextLite implements the DES algorithm correctly. In 1983, when Philips USFA distributed this device as the PX- 1000Cr, the NSA made a deal with Philips USFA to implement an alternative algorithm. For this alternative version we show that it does
asciilifeform: in quite other lulz, (pdf) http://www.cs.ru.nl/bachelorscripties/2014/Ben_Brucker___0413291___Government_intervention_on_consumer_crypto_hardware.pdf :
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"
asciilifeform: oh is that the former sbcl d00d?
phf: in related http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2017/03/07/nibbles-and-ironclad-releases.html " I will no longer be maintaining nibbles, ironclad, nor any of my other Common Lisp packages"
phf: it all sort of ties together somehow. and yes, as trinque said, starts with a particular face
asciilifeform: all of this is quite the lulzfest to asciilifeform : none of it existed a few yrs ago when i last looked
phf: i was on a channel with that character, until the s/r got so low, i had to leave. amongst the things he did, put in a chip backwards "it dun work", rebuilt power supply by sending it to "we rebuilt power supplies" company that did it for $900 for him
trinque: I guess it's the next step up from "no, I only type on a mechanical typewriter"
asciilifeform: this isn't the only 1 on the net, either, i found several, they bought lispms, one took hundreds of photos of himself 'hipstering' near it, then one final one where it (??!) burned down
asciilifeform: phf: it hit me in the face immediately
asciilifeform: but let american navy dig, on bottom of the sea, looking for boojums. just what the doctor ordered.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:23 asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)
asciilifeform: BUT i do have the chip, bought for some bux, from the old days of giving a shit, and so offer it to phf et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the need to cut apart the hardware of a 50yo defunct company strikes me as batshit insane
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, ttps://68.media.tumblr.com/e6b9bf1b682ab44d56edcdb0a831131d/tumblr_inline_om77i8WadD1th0i48_500.gif
asciilifeform: well, https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals appears to be a list of what d00d aims to do with the thing, and typical example is 'port classic games to it', more or less 0 to do with reversing the thing
asciilifeform: the photos are not half-bad tho.
asciilifeform: ( interesting and at the same time depressing www. 'aesthete weenie' got hold of a lispm! )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (i don't expect to ever run across another.)
asciilifeform: i'll post the board at own expense, but i only have 1
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i noticed them because they rank for ANY GOOGLE SEARCH with ukraine in it, among plenty others.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.