asciilifeform: in other recent lulz , https://archive.is/xXW9T >> '...race condition in the n_hdlc Linux kernel driver (drivers/tty/n_hdlc.c). It can be exploited to gain a local privilege escalation. ... This driver provides HDLC serial line discipline and comes as a kernel module in many Linux distributions, which have CONFIG_N_HDLC=m in the kernel config. ...introduced on 22 June 2009'
asciilifeform: ( for noobs -- 'stack cookie' is the -- nowadays common, at least in gccland -- practice of putting a random turd on the end of a stack that overflows, and later testing if it is still there before popping a return addr )
shinohai: The Prof that really isn't a Prof @ cornell
asciilifeform: 'Cybellum Is The First Deterministic Zero-Day Prevention Platform™ That Eliminates Unknown Threats With First-Step Threat Protection™' << lel
shinohai: "DoubleAgent exploits a 15 years old undocumented legitimate feature of Windows and therefore cannot be patched." https://github.com/Cybellum/DoubleAgent
asciilifeform: ain't this exactly what i said re the bolix collectors ?
mircea_popescu: and this in the best case, a good half simply buy them to deny it to memory strokers in the hope of geting more $$$ later.
mircea_popescu: and re "folks", the elephant of sadness in the field everyone's been dancing around since forever is that none of the buyers buy for anything like a sane puyrpose. much like the 55 firebird buyer who isn't buying it in 2015 to make teenie boppers suck his cock in it ; but to drive it by city dumps and industrial zones which used to be a town and stroke his memories.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: it's not like you aim to take the found machines to the kinko's and copy them into more exemplars.
mircea_popescu: but this is a red herring, because your stated aim with the archeology is to populate your head not your desk
mircea_popescu: this being the substance of the whoile discussion since yest : you claimed to want something you showed you have ; i deduced the confusion must be resolved. "concepts" in the sense of "metaconsiderations" aren't interesting ; concepts in the sense of concepts you already have.
asciilifeform: but the expectation -- has vanished. konsoomer expects, dare say enjoys, crashes, 0days.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 04:37 asciilifeform: on the other hand, there is not ONE sane cpu on the market. the kind with enforced type tags and bounds.
mircea_popescu: "concept" is not shorthand for "metaconsideration" ; concept denotes the root node of a knowledge tree. and you manifestly DO have the involved concepts, because casual remarks like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631556
asciilifeform: today -- can afford them, your cpu's tlb cache alone is 50x the size of the bolix total transistor count.
asciilifeform: the concepts in question reduce to very basic sanity, which the transistor-impoverished people of the '70s-'80s simply could not afford : cpu that understands context ('is this word part of a bignum? where does the array end?'), programs that hold enough info to restart/repair, and various other.
asciilifeform: the bolix -- also needs full rewrite. 99+% of what was in it, was to work around the frightening limitations of the tech of the period.
mircea_popescu: yes but i suspect you don't actually know what the word "concept" means.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:39 asciilifeform: the old iron, doppler , is not -- contrary to the delusions of 'collectors' -- interesting per se. the ~software~ was not even interesting per se -- it was a tall pile of stinking mit hacks. the CONCEPTS, however, as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , WERE interesting.
mircea_popescu: if the only way to get a kock gpgtron was to dig one out of the one clothing store in utah that accidentally got all the 18 evcer produced and sells one now and again when they stumble on the box in the basement -- would your idea of the gpgtron be closer or further from your current, and correct, idea of it ? which, unless i lost track, goes along the rails of "nothing in there is salvageable ; full rewrite" ?
mircea_popescu: there is also that.
asciilifeform: 'pioneer -- arrow in his back', said the 19th c americans.
asciilifeform: they weren't handblown!
mircea_popescu: wtf do i want a handblown crt for! and how much of it was ~the equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: there's that expression that there's two kinds of fools in this world, the kind that says this is old, and therefore good ; and the kind that says this is new, and therefore better. just because we're awash in type 2 idiocy from the ipaditiots and mactards dun mean the type 1 went away.
asciilifeform: incidentally the cost was quite typical of minis.
asciilifeform: (for most of the life of the product, they were 1bit b&w, for the elementary reason that no one would buy $mil of video ram)
asciilifeform: speaking of demise of bolix, one of the oddities behind the princely (like entire bulldozer!111) cost of the machines, was the crt, at the time there was NO mass manufacture of high-res (1152x864 iirc) crt, anywhere on planet3; they had'em custom-blown.
mircea_popescu: this is good news then, blindness sucks.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's elder brother, for instance, spent ~= time in front of bad displays -- perfect vision to this day
asciilifeform: there's a biological immunity, i suspect
mircea_popescu: micro-mp used to spend so much time staring down early displays o brother.
mircea_popescu: also trinitron more like 2000s. the 90s were atrocious, all that green.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, they were built to last. think, you could still have it!!" yeah. i could. and it'd be worth 25k in today's dollars, and it'd still be a 15 inch mcga or w/e the fuck it was
mircea_popescu still remembers making the very HARD fucking decision of not dropping 2k of 1990 dollars on a 15 inch monitor.
mircea_popescu: yeah, since bolix went the fuck away computing's not expensive at all
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, for the socialists in attendance : watch "quiz show". it's an utter piece of crap i couldn't comprehend why anyone bothered making until we got to the scene where the white priviledge guy apologizes for existing.
mircea_popescu: at least send them some fucking flowers.
mircea_popescu: vs "usg agency, why did you eavesdrop on trump and then lie about it and then lie about other things ?" "oh, WE ALWAYS DO THAT"
mircea_popescu: gotta love the "routine" device of the SOPS also. "john smith, why did you wait in a black van behind the highschool for the cheerleaders to come out, then chased one down, stripped her naked, tied her and took her to your van ?" "oh, i ALWAYS DO THIS!"
mircea_popescu: bitch... grow up. nobody fucking wants you. there's no space left for you.
mircea_popescu: dude is fucking frying them, and they're going through the predictable motions. "oh, trump will fry us. lol" "oh, trump is just saying so" "oh, he accidentally beat us up but he loves us"
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea what sort of frogbrains havwe to be in these brainboxes.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/ADnD6 >> 'Nunes set off the firestorm with a news conference earlier in the day in which he described the surveillance of Trump aides through what’s called “incidental collection,” something he noted was routine and legal.'
mircea_popescu: always easier when the mark wants to believe.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/fmGhw << i don't even know where to begin with this 'day in the life of 28yo credit suisse banker'. is bi that fucking cocksure that they think their readers will swallow pictostory about nice kid who plays squash and eats in cafeteria all day ? as if this kid isn't pushing dodgy shit onto worthless clients he and his bank don't give a shit about all because his higher-ups have some bad
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 04:46 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631221 << define 'possible'. >x connections ? doesn't crash ? because i've been running trb on vps since it came out and have no particular complaints other than semi-regular st9 errors.
mircea_popescu: i never got much more from gates than from any other zigglar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not apart from the amex fraud sensor thing, afaik.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: also 4gb ram and 1tb raid that processes tx way the hell faster than dulap on mech hdd
mircea_popescu: im not claiming it's not there or anything.
asciilifeform: 'we live in the best of computings, bolix died on own power' etc
mircea_popescu: what powers the vps ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your proposed cut of the gordian knot was "let mp feel what i feel!!11"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 23:34 mircea_popescu: tbh i have nfi how you could run trb in a vps. i don't think it's possible, not really. would be certainly quite the medal of merit on any software that can handle such.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631221 << define 'possible'. >x connections ? doesn't crash ? because i've been running trb on vps since it came out and have no particular complaints other than semi-regular st9 errors.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu is in the position where he spent many years applying serious, scientific methods to the problem of knowledge classification.
mircea_popescu: some guy came up with the bright idea of ading a fine copper mesh to miner lamps so they dont' start fires anymore, about the same time. it didn't fucking change mining from milk to ambrosia.
mircea_popescu: skin or no skin, things are what they are.
mircea_popescu: so, the concept of moving signalling from rigid to fluid medium. great idea. minor point.
mircea_popescu: look, the label game only works if you can enforce it. and you can't.
asciilifeform: other -- train.
mircea_popescu: they're sure still trains.
asciilifeform: cpu that obeys type constraints is quite unlike the familiar idiot kind. in exactly same way that trains equipped with westinghouse's air brake, are unlike the earlier ones where brake man ran from car to car pulling ropes.
mircea_popescu: yes, catalytic convertors could go away. they don't work with carburetors. so ?
asciilifeform: piece of shit that sees no types, no bounded arrays, etc. but only soup -- yes, exists. and the 'seekoority' field, wih it.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a single engine on the market, the kind with shaft driven aspiration and carbureted intake. so what.
asciilifeform: on the other hand, there is not ONE sane cpu on the market. the kind with enforced type tags and bounds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic tech of internal combustion -- was not lost.
mircea_popescu: what am i going to learn blowing a million dollars worth of highly energetic photons on the 55 chevy engine block ? how to cut metal with analog calipers ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: girl (rather cute, i might add) said she just wants to lurk to start. read logs etc. i've pointed her towards registering her key with deedbot and said she can ask q's via pm or pgpgram. we'll see what comes of the endeavour i guess.
mircea_popescu: there's just about nothing interesting you could find by opening hood of ancient car, as an engine designer today. not one trhing. most of them are collected, and are revered by a so-minded public, and aren't documented worth didly squat. i dun think this sunday hobby item is different from that.
mircea_popescu: do you wish to know how did some old farts manage to stick it into the missus, because "the concept" of getting it up is interesting in the sense of well, not actually, you have the concept, it just, what exactly ? yours dun work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arguably, in the sense where sikorsky's chopper is interesting, while davinci's -- much less .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is free to be as 'unpersuaded' as he wants. fact: his machine -- can overrun an array; bolix -- could not; his box -- crashes, cannot be examined or uncrashed (yes) -- bolix -- could; and various other aspects, well covered in teh logz.
shinohai: Hence the quotes.
mircea_popescu: shinohai who the fuck esteems a two bit instructor in an obscure university that's been circling bitcoin for years and has as of yet produced nothing besides tweets and dandruff ?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630992 << was elaine ou, a phd cum writer whom i invited over (via pgpgram!) after reading http://elaineou.com/2017/03/17/the-bitcoin-backlog/ recently. definitely seems brighter than average.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory of "interesting concepts" of a tribe dead on its own power is the height of unpersuasiveness.
shinohai: In other lulz, the "esteemed Asst. Prof. Emin Sirer" on why the Bitcoin Unlimited bugs of late are no big deal: https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/844331767175794689
shinohai: Their loss, I'm sorry for it.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
doppler: that post was among the first I read
asciilifeform: and ergo the software, to the extent it embodied these concepts -- which was quite large -- is interesting;
asciilifeform: the old iron, doppler , is not -- contrary to the delusions of 'collectors' -- interesting per se. the ~software~ was not even interesting per se -- it was a tall pile of stinking mit hacks. the CONCEPTS, however, as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , WERE interesting.
asciilifeform: the result, however, is that the ~singularly~ most interesting comp from 1980s -- is ~entirely lost .
asciilifeform: it wasn't an outrageous / illogical / atrocious thing to do. smbx was a fabless chip maker which competed directly with, among others, TI ('explorer' lispm)
doppler: I do see why that would be to their advantage
asciilifeform: symbolics -- also quite deliberately -- never even printed an honest instruction set reference, for any of the machines.
asciilifeform: i have 100% of the published documentation here.
doppler: ie. owned by people or parties that do not know the value of it
doppler: how much of the remaining equipment do you think is still "undiscovered"?
asciilifeform: the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact.
asciilifeform: ( and -- possibly -- some of the insider working notes. )
asciilifeform: i know for a fact that some of them -- are dead.
asciilifeform: making their investments -- worth ~$ 0.
asciilifeform: it is almost as if they did not want their 3-10k $ investments to turn into the equivalent of old nintendo.
doppler: it seems that many are caught up in the 'collection' aspect, maybe
asciilifeform: or even to take and post a high-resolution photo of the thing.
asciilifeform: for some odd reason, not a single one of the folks who bought these relics, has seen it fit to do this work.
asciilifeform: ( it would be possible to build a behavioural test stand for it, if the pinout and timing characteristics were known. theoretically anyone with a 'macivory' and some spare time, could come up with these. )
asciilifeform: re 'non-crown' jewels of bolixdom, one example of useful thing that does not publicly exist anywhere -- the mere pinout of the 'ivory'.
asciilifeform: most of it is described, in painful detail, in the logs.
doppler: well I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask them
asciilifeform: 3) the uncensored (compl. with low-levels) src for last (8.3 afaik) genera.
asciilifeform: well, starting with the crown jewels , and down :
asciilifeform: perhaps doppler will break the radio silence and post some docs
asciilifeform: we had a lively thread not long ago, where asciilifeform complains re primary activity of the top bolixologists seems to consist of sitting quietly, dog-in-the-manger-style, on piles of unpublished goodies
doppler: I have enjoyed the content that I have read in the logs over some months and watched scroll by as I idled here the past few days
doppler: phf knows at least one of the people i know
asciilifeform: incidentally the real titan of 'bolixology' here is phf , rather than asciilifeform .
doppler: but I'm very interested in the topic
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform in particular is not esp. interested in 'lisp machine restoration' in the sense of 'old car restoration' hobbyists, but in reverse-engineering )
asciilifeform: ( maybe 90% of the material is in some sense 'computer related' lol )
BingoBoingo: On the plus side the cooling system on this vehicle is just about the easiest possible thing to fill. Coolant reservoir is part of pressure system, heatercore is always open, thing is basically self burping.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Insufficiently novel. Try to preserve Saturn plasticar's plasticar theme.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631203 << Hey, I just replaced coolant hoses on car. Destroyed old leaky plastic "quick connect" fittings with screwdriver since they embrittled to become "always connected". Replaced them with thermoplastic heat shrink clamps.
asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is why they got lizarded away. 'they' don't want cheap radhard cpu, rom.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 00:27 asciilifeform: the supposed otp roms you can buy now, are actually eproms without the quartz window.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631333 these suffer charge leakage ( like ordinary flash rom ) ; actual otp -- theoretically good for centuries.
mircea_popescu: once jwz is possible the place died.
mircea_popescu: dun matter "we got X covered" is "we're building socialism" or "they failed building socialism"
mircea_popescu: imo us and su failed exactly the same way : once the message got put out that "don't worry, do your own thing, we got X covered", it died the next day
asciilifeform: tru. which is why dead empire, in 'egyptological' museum, and not on the map
asciilifeform: had (surprisingly to some folx) the first 'elbrus', quite competitive with cray1
asciilifeform: hey somebody gotta fall on the grenade, mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: hey, i know your entire life is dedicated to the proposition that geting 10% better at doing math is worth losing out 50% on salesmanship.
asciilifeform: it's what the americans -- did.
mircea_popescu: the sqmm km long pile is not 1 cubic meter.
mircea_popescu: steklov math man was a 1km long, 1mm x 1mm individual. the cocaine yacht dude was 1m on all sides.
mircea_popescu: you stubbornly measure only the height of the plank, then are surprised at volume differential.
asciilifeform: in abstract it sounds entirely tru -- 'gotta get the money out of the hands of the beetle man.' but the actual history is somewhat puzzling -- 'beetle man' su had , e.g., steklov mathematical institute. '90s ru -- cocaine yachts, golden toilets.
mircea_popescu: this is not 0, this is 1. THE 1.
mircea_popescu: hruschev had no idea how to get even with the us. check it out that putin humiliated obama.
mircea_popescu: collect taxes, let them be stolen by individuals.
mircea_popescu: which is why corruption is the right thing, and anyone "fighting corruption" should be raped and then gutted.
mircea_popescu: which is the point of anti-inequality : simply TAKING the empire's money away from "the public" into the hands of the lizards is an improvement in teraforming terms.
asciilifeform: tru. all of the nonsense of versailles did not destroy euro culture; the 20th c -- did.
mircea_popescu: social effects. the maximal empowerment of rank imbecillity is where there's a lot of imbeciles with a little gas each.
asciilifeform: ( and hitler was not even the champ, in his circle. consider the idiot chicken farmer's 'ahnenerbe' for instance. )
mircea_popescu: but to get back to it : no, hitler didn't have much of a clue, nor were any of his decisions either sound, useful or correct.
mircea_popescu: and UTTERLY shat it. this country was in the top 5 in 1920. because of the imperial german trade.
mircea_popescu: but no, the yhad to go die pointlessly in fucking ukraine, so the italians colonized argentina 20 years later
mircea_popescu: "lebensraum" fucking bs. they could have just colonized argentina. it's larger than fucking europe, and richer.
mircea_popescu: this way, they had to wait till 2020.
mircea_popescu: a sanely managed german "empire" would have outcompeted britain out of the ground by 1950.
asciilifeform: 'they can stay unfallen under the weight of their imbecility longer than you can stay solvent' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the quack of 5millenia before is not a comparable item in this scope though.
mircea_popescu: stalin without the war would have fallen flat under the weight of his own imbecillity by 1945.
asciilifeform: take qin shi huangdi , say. definitely a credit, one of the few credits, to his.
mircea_popescu: had germany been led by a sane man, it'd have just maintained a defensive alliance with japan an' argentina. never empowered the idiots, not in italy, not in russia.
mircea_popescu: this is what needs buckling, the centenary trend of turning medieval serfs into modern consumers.
asciilifeform: faux crypto ain't ever going away, it is like homeopathy, astrology, fills a niche in the poor, the lazy, the intellectually powerless, for 'control'
mircea_popescu: that's the rub. not "need one billion". you don't. but you DO need a giant fly swatter to oppress teh masses with.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????'
asciilifeform: it already does not exist, 'but the squirrels don't know'
mircea_popescu: point being -- dorks go around pretending they're doing "end to end encryption". this field must not exist in order for mp's cellar fab to work irl.
mircea_popescu: ordinary jwz must have no alternatives. otherwise... ordinary jwz will pretend he exists.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu was of the notion that you don't need economy of mass to do si fab.
asciilifeform: ideally you'd have the glass window on it, as on an epro, also! but strictly so that you can read it optically.
asciilifeform: but nope. it went the way of mircea_popescu's top hat.
asciilifeform: not without paying for the fabbing wholesale (at which point you have asic, and can simply have what you want in the asic)
asciilifeform: the supposed otp roms you can buy now, are actually eproms without the quartz window.
asciilifeform: physical ones. the kind that run from rom and just look like lcd monitors with keyboard jack and nic.
phf: i tried doing that through the citrix client, no dice (back when i was working for a place tha tuses a citrix client)
asciilifeform: ( you can easily piss an exe into existence, via vnc, using 'alt codes' , or by getting hold of exploder and pissing in a url to load from, or possibly other ways. similar process in other os with exposed vnctron )
phf: i think the argument was, you can't do aa with ttf unless you're composing client side.
asciilifeform: ( consider the barbarisms winblowz folx are STILL stuck with, e.g., vnc. )
asciilifeform: not moving bitmaps when there is any way to avoid it, also.
phf: i think not-transfering-letter-shapes-over-wire is one of the most useful features of protocol. naturally was first one to get subverted
asciilifeform: i've lost track of all of the crackpot 'i can't believe it's not x11!'s.
asciilifeform: (there is, as of yet, nothing resembling a tolerable substitute for x11 protocol, sadly.)
asciilifeform: if i ever make the fpgaized thing, it sure as fuck won't bother trying to drive an lcd or eat keyboard, wtf, just speak x11.
asciilifeform: that the console is not really needed
phf: apparently there's an xserver implementation in genera! so can probably get xterm displayed.
phf: you can do it either way, but right now genera is client and unix is server
asciilifeform: ( and do i misread, or is phf's setup the reverse of the usual one, where genera is the server, and unix box -- client ? )
phf: i'm trying to figure out why genera's x client is crashing openbsd x server. but once i do i'll try the chip
asciilifeform: (large, small, == the original disk, all same.)
asciilifeform: and i have literally that disk here, in the tray, 0 result.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: on examination it turns out the box is a 'wallstreet'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 16gb 1.8" sandisk seems to work https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15077-possibly-the-quickest-drive-for-the-powerbook-g3/ perhaps larger capacities too.
asciilifeform: phf: the wacom ? it's a 2nd mouse, aha
phf: i think the only thing i haven't tried yet is the stylus, which doesn't work if you just startx. i vaguely suspect there's a second mouse device i need to wire into the right place..
asciilifeform: PeterL: ^ that's all there ever was to it
pete_dushenski: not other g3 powerbooks tho
PeterL: asciilifeform: is your gentoo recipe published somewhere? I tried searching the logs, but all I found was an expired dpaste?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't even see any mention of g3 lappy on the vendor's www
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: have you tried https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Legacy_Pro with the lombard ? 'ide/ata design'
asciilifeform: hey there was actually a standard.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: yea, them
pete_dushenski: powerbook g3 ? thought those were nifty as a kid but i was still on desktops at the time. brief foray into laptopery didn't come until college in 04
asciilifeform: thing gathers dust nao.
asciilifeform: btw maybe pete_dushenski can tell me the seekrit of how to get 'lombard' to eat an ssd.
asciilifeform: if the box eats reasonably ordinary (e.g. sata) disks, rather than, say, differential scsi (sgi, sun) or archaic ???s (symbolics 36xx, others) -- even easier.
pete_dushenski: myea, that's next step for sure. was trying to configure dual boot for no other reason than that i like the idea of 10.4 in the house. but that's probably a lost cause. there's only so much time to dump into the sinkhole.
asciilifeform: i don't recall ever installing gentoo, for instance, any other way
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski , trinque , et al : here's a top from asciilifeform's house of horrors : don't bother selective-booting the things. just yank the drive and put what you want on it ~directly~, then put back.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i've spent the last couple evenings since ppc thread re-emerged trying to run openbsd 6 on macppc. can't get the bloody machine to recognise cdrom OR usb. open firmware, boot screen, etc nada zilch zip.
asciilifeform: ( it'll be interesting , however, if i ever actually turn 'nqb' into something like a btctron, to see what it'll run on, with the programmable memory footprint and hard-realtime mechanics.. )
mircea_popescu: tbh i have nfi how you could run trb in a vps. i don't think it's possible, not really. would be certainly quite the medal of merit on any software that can handle such.
mircea_popescu: course the "apps" are mostly js neh
asciilifeform: ( and you couldn't put, e.g., trb in there. )
asciilifeform: what i meant was, text vs 'apps' or whatever other strange 'modern' crapola
mircea_popescu: ah. then non-text www works fine too
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 21:49 asciilifeform: the minus is that it is (yes) in usa, and has very limited support for anything that isn't text www
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631052 << part of the problem is eg trilema has i dun recall how many gb of acumulated pix. though i've seen very hardcore text blogs and didn't look so bad.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 20:54 ben_vulpes: "has nick joined and parted within the past week without saying anything after receiving voice?"
shinohai remembers the Dogecoin chan had this, worked exactly as one would expect .....
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 20:52 phf: ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
asciilifeform: among the last.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> in entirely others topics, gentoo quest ppc edition has stumbled on step boot-from-usb << entirely typical of my experience of this wonder.
ben_vulpes: not only is that terrible for your alignment but if you ever even come close to hitting the rev limiter in a car you want to preserve the value of....
ben_vulpes: you want to hoon around the parking lot making smoke? buy a drift slut, don't do that to the wrx
ben_vulpes: the one additional point possibly worth making is that don't run your engines hot if you want them to last.
asciilifeform: you'd have to varnish them, i suspect.
ben_vulpes: as if the plane weren't stupidly complex enough already, let's bolt another pile of heinous complexity to it as well
ben_vulpes: and if they're water cooled i'll probably pass