ben_vulpes: may quite well be the case that babe who lives to obey and satisfy her man is far happier than careerist, independent, "i'll buy whatever dumb vehicle my emotions push me to!", but have fun making that sale to the americans attached to equality-at-any-cost
ben_vulpes: nah, he's been drinking progesterone from the recycled water for so long he's practically a woman
mircea_popescu: for one thing the food's lots better.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd be muych surprised if the average bloke in the us wouldn't actually prefer living as 1997 average afghanistani instead.
mircea_popescu: why use the mechanisms that work (but they work! which is unfair!11) when you could use no mechanisms at all and dream a little dream of things.
ben_vulpes: and entirely unsurprisingly, the slippage on the country-wide market-clearing buy order doesn't show up in price (no, that'd hose the inflation numbers) but in crapflation
ben_vulpes: which is right in line with other threads elsewhere about how we got cvasi-marxism, where we vote ourselves more stuff every year but what gets delivered is a plastic sham of what was ordered. looks like everything is going to be free, but that 'everything' just serves to keep us anchored to our pocketscreens
ben_vulpes: ofc what that 1.2k per annum buys is depressingly further downmarket from the traditional afghani lifestyle
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: had a few amusing scenarios for how 'ubi' might play out: "massive army", "un camps, did you know they've got refugee camps down to the point where it costs 1200 us/year to mostly keep them from killing each other?", "genocide" etc
mircea_popescu: anyway. strong law-and-order ticket, repressed the bums (social group that today in the us masquerades as "students") and so on.
mircea_popescu: to this day it burns the libertard, the fact that no, democracy is NOT popular. rosas is.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only time argentina won over england.
asciilifeform: de rosas << the .ar stalin neh
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the only point of argentine history worth even casual inspection is de rosas. who -- very pointedly NOT democracia. the contrary of democracia.
mircea_popescu: in related lulz : girl here got invited to a 5 day "history of argentina" "workshop". the schedule ? 4 days discussing "democracia".
mircea_popescu: and last i checked you had to be in their party presidium whatever to qualify for deed issuance in colonies.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but part and parcel of that algo is that... real estate in the us... is not worth money.
asciilifeform: barbed wire , mine field, machine gun for the locals who are slow to get the message; imported slaves working inside, extracting molybdenum or whichever.
mircea_popescu: the us peons, much like the argentines (and every passing month more like the argentines) are not actually worth quartering the carcass.
mircea_popescu: you know, chumpatrons are a thing, yes, but there's no 0 cost extraction. there's plenty of chumps who, while carrying nonzero chumpatronium, are also worth below 0 on the chumpatron raw materials market.
asciilifeform: for so long as there's any money in usa, it is 'worth money', purely mechanically, that's how money is collected from the peons
mircea_popescu: bout a third of which goes towards supporting the nonsensical notion that real estate in the us is actually worth money.
mircea_popescu: of course it would. currently they dispose of about 1.5k a month.
asciilifeform: ( from luser pov -- price is 'exactly same', landlord simply collects the usg payola )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 13:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632315 << hard to picture that giving lusers 1k$/mo ea. would visibly nudge the pricing from lizard pov
mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 06:21 ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
Framedragger: (i think it's just because there's a customs fee to be paid but will see - lulzy)
ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
ben_vulpes: jeeeesus the bruce sterling sxsw talk is fun
BingoBoingo: In other news thermoplastic hose clamps on plasticar are still holding 100% of fluid one day and ~1/4 tank of gas later
BingoBoingo: The PCB is beautifully glossy
asciilifeform: he got all of the rev1 units
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, other than danielpbarron
phf: on recommendation of qntra i bought a copy of "The Camp of The Saints". i'm hoping it'll teach me about the great again
ben_vulpes: in other cow farts: http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/n0905-7000-underground-gas-bubbles-poised-to-explode-in-arctic/
gabriel_laddel_p: and to be clear - the only reason I had that LSD is because someone I've never met gave it to me. for free.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> BingoBoingo: "I should study more" isn't a winning idea. GTFO. << Please study more drugs. Gain experience. Maybe things work out for you and can do the right about face learning to drug like a gentleman.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: exactly. You said "shame she can't pose", I started to hunt for _that exact photo_ and then you dropped it into the logs
trinque: yeah I worked for the alcoholic waiting for meaning in his life long enough
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: making money is easy. making money doing something _meaningful_ is the difficult part.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: you do realize that there are several folks here that have made money doing exactly the kind of consulting I described?
ben_vulpes: but at least the meth is burning the timid out: https://68.media.tumblr.com/b3c13481af4b0bd8b00da01226e327fe/tumblr_olsuewX3Bs1vhml3xo1_1280.jpg
trinque: the thing about addicts is that it's their *entire* pattern of behaving, defines the whole thing
trinque: he's just here to argue with himself to charge up the courage to I dunno, do a bump of meth, or not do a bump of meth, or w/e
mircea_popescu: that's what they told flaubert also!
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: if you have ideas of what is to be done when the whole CLIM process freezes, please, do let me know.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: also, errors in the CLIM debugger need to go somewhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the depressing part, d00d seems to be 'chasing dragon', appears to think that the Ultimate Dope is waiting, somewhere, to be found, wunderwaffen, will bring victory.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: nobody is going to drop all of their emacs packages & workflow overnight to learn a new system. Emacs is going to stick around until new hardware is made.
BingoBoingo: Well if you aren't sure drugs aren't part of problem keeping you from a mailing address feel free to keep trying them.
phf: well, i wouldn't go as far as playing nicely either. you have a clim editor, that you can theoretically extend in all kinds of interesting ways, yet you're still using it in combination with the emacs, etc.
gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: and they suck enough at life to end up in NA...
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: even if I gave you a list of all the packages, it would take ~6months to get everything playing nicely.
phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> asciilifeform: if only I had amphetamines I'd have a place to sleep... << You know... There's GIRLS at NA meetings
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 02:54 gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive
gabriel_laddel_p: the general lesson of that trip: "I'm not learning anything by hacking CL anymore, time to do something new"
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: people openly sell LSD all the time out here. I was given a vial of liquid for free a few months ago
gabriel_laddel_p: and that the local police are bought off
gabriel_laddel_p: that californians don't follow any laws and don't prosecute one another.
asciilifeform: when $contraband is advertised openly on www, what do you suppose you'll find when you knock on the door.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: do you recall the death ray thread ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632128 << i think stability issues are mostly digitalocean related at the moment. because i couldn't connect to log, and once i did bot autorecovered
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: https://methed-up-cat-addict.tumblr.com/image/152333318381 < looks pure to me.
asciilifeform not deep scholar of subj, and has nfi what has been tried in the show trials, and with what result.
asciilifeform: and cemented by precedent. so only removable by thermonuke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and funny that nobody disputes all that nonsense, either.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: https://annoyinglysparklyreview.tumblr.com/ < if you look into the tumblr tags she uses you can track where the meth routes are in CA. people post pictures all the time. I have FACES of dealers a few miles from me.
asciilifeform: the feedstock is counted as 'pure product'.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: ~all dope turns, 'magically', into 100% purity, when busted in usa. it is a peculiarity of the prosecutorial system, moar pure --> moar sentence
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I don't like the regular stuff (adderall).
gabriel_laddel_p: fking annoying b/c it is EVERYWHERE around here, but I simply don't know anyone. Eg there was a 200lb meth bust miles from where I am staying.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p when was the last time you had a full night's sleep ? or a proper meal ?
gabriel_laddel_p: masamune did pay for my new shoes, clothes & weed though.
gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I have not forgotten about #masamune either, but life moves slower than I want it to/thought it would.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I wrote most of the code, got a machine to host it, and.... a bunch of nonsense has prevented me from getting to sf and setting it up.
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, that's the sort of stuff I'm on the lookout for when I say "incrementally swap out the underlying hardware".
asciilifeform: ( even now, he is alive, and they are ~unobtainable )
asciilifeform: i'd luvv to play with greenarrays, but refrained because i'm quite certain they will not outlive chuck moor
gabriel_laddel_p: Am going to the FIG meetup group again to see if I can get a few for free...
asciilifeform: tricky to port something to it, if you dun have one. (i'm not aware of there being an emulator)
trinque: asciilifeform: technically he didn't. went up the sidewalk
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the document ben_vulpes dropped in the logs, which iirc runs on the greenarrays chip.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: if you're thinking of nic-on-xilinx, every single one (with the exception of the 10BaseT half-duplex that's floated around since 1990s) relies on a xilinx-proprietary fabric turd
trinque: mircea_popescu: downtown's great, welcomed me back last night with watching somebody drive wrong way up a one way road on the sidewalk to get to the burger joint I was at
asciilifeform: trinque: the bot dropped off earlier
gabriel_laddel_p: There was a software defined fourth NIC dropped in the logs that is pretty well documented.
asciilifeform: i'll buy right now. where are they.
gabriel_laddel_p: The most programmable possible. Idc if this means somebody reverse engineered the drivers, or it is documented, or it is simple enough that someone could revese engineer it, or or or
gabriel_laddel_p: Reviewing all the log references in the "TODO: new, better hardware" node of the manual and compiling a list of hardware that is less braindamaged. Purchasing, assembling & them selling them as the 2nd generation of Masamune.
mircea_popescu: but the 6th castle stayed up!
BingoBoingo: And there's a good chance some asshole nearby is running a salt plant and fucking with the water table
BingoBoingo: The problem with swamp foundations is that by the time you've poured enough hydraulic cement to make footings, the cement gets heavy.
gabriel_laddel_p: Now that the "UX" is in some sense complete, I'm studying so the hardware can be swapped out from under it, exactly in the manner described by mircea_popescu earlier today.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: Exactly. Which is what is needed. For the record, "paving over the swamp" is coming along great, and that metaphore is wholly inadaquate for what I'm doing.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 20:48 asciilifeform: in other lulz, didjaknow, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/paymentserver.cpp#L111 << prb imports ssl certs ! the whole shit soup
asciilifeform: kinda hilarious, while the two 'cans of campbell soup' duke it out over massive-blox vs elephantine-blox, boring ol' workaday usgolade, e.g. 'pki', quietly made it into all prb variants
asciilifeform: the sheer depth of the retardation, ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki ) >> 'Human-readable, secure payment destinations-- customers will be asked to authorize payment to "example.com" instead of an inscrutable, 34-character bitcoin address.' 'Resistance from man-in-the-middle attacks that replace a merchant's bitcoin address with an attacker's address before a transaction is authorized with a hardware w
asciilifeform: reading that horror, it'd seem as if this were the heathen alternative to, e.g., http://shop.nosuchlabs.com ( and bbet, and similar )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, didjaknow, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/paymentserver.cpp#L111 << prb imports ssl certs ! the whole shit soup
doppler: oh yeah, another thing about seq: it's not actually part of posix, and neither is BSD's jot(1)
doppler: we were testing out the rating system
doppler: thanks for the welcome
doppler: dude I know from another channel
ben_vulpes: doppler: welcome to the wot, who is companioncube?
doppler: I use seq all the time when I write posix sh scripts (brace expansion is specific to certain shells)
doppler: but it does have brace expansion which largely serves the same basic purpose
phf: i've never seen it used either, saw an example of it in recent poc||gtfo
phf: i have a tool in my scripts folder, seq (e.g. seq 0 100) that does the same thing, and that i end up rewriting every once in a while
phf: actually there's more in the relevant section, but these two use cases i've often missed, and have no idea how i didn't know about them till now
asciilifeform: over which you can then dma, etc.
asciilifeform: the trick is not crapple-specific, either, most new laptop includes 'thunderbolt' plug, which is simply external pci
asciilifeform: the bit with diddled nic dongles is lulzy.
asciilifeform: 'Also included in this release is the manual for the CIA's "NightSkies 1.2" a "beacon/loader/implant tool" for the Apple iPhone. Noteworthy is that NightSkies had reached 1.2 by 2008, and is expressly designed to be physically installed onto factory fresh iPhones. i.e the CIA has been infecting the iPhone supply chain of its targets since at least 2008.'
asciilifeform: in yet other noose, https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter << part2: crapple edition (fw infectors for same, etc.)
BingoBoingo: Is the growth his nose?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/QUcCh >> 'U.S.-Israeli teen arrested in Israel over bomb threats to Jewish centers'. 'A young Israeli man who also holds U.S. citizenship was arrested in Israel on Thursday on suspicion of making dozens of hoax bomb threats against Jewish community centers in the United States and several other countries. At a court hearing near Tel Aviv, the suspect's defense attorney said the young man has a growth
mircea_popescu: aite then.
asciilifeform: a burn-off of the accumulated stupidity to date, would be a great start.
mircea_popescu: yes well, if your notion of "intel dies" === "the end of stupidity in any and all palpable form" then surely the roman empire still lives embodied in general motors.
asciilifeform: in re intel, it gotta die, but if it 'dies' merely by getting a chinese board of directors, but continues to produce ye olde x86 liquishit, with 35 yrs of idiocy built on top -- then didn't really die, not yet.
asciilifeform: 'house burns, but at least the bedbugs die'
asciilifeform: point being that it is one of the great american giants, like GE
mircea_popescu: "the demographics" were going to keep clinton in office forever so these schmucks could pay the mortgages they made aged 28 back in 1994. hurr.
mircea_popescu: but the point being : nintendo utterly owned a market, which some years later had the n64 people killed for used as paperweights. sony owned the market, then lost to microsoft, and so following. this notion that intel has a hope in hell is about as ludicrous as the nonsense career bureaucrats in washington built their lives on.
asciilifeform: upstack , re 'dreamcast' -- asciilifeform's brother was involved in making game for it. the hardware was superb.
mircea_popescu: they can worry about that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good for it. whatever the delinquent debtor says matters little.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this'll do fine for a stock answer to the people inquiring why $random-"standard" isn't supported. the account is delinquent. they owe a lot of money and are trying to defraud us of it.
mircea_popescu: of course you don't support it anyway. obviously. BUT IT FIRST PAYS THROUGH THE TEETH FOR THIS!
mircea_popescu: "w3c" wants to set web standards, it'd better PAY UP FOR THEM BEING SUPPORTED
mircea_popescu: the point here being, again, to restate : if the developer didn't meet a minimum value of sales, sega paid the difference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they called the first playstation psx back i nthe day. then they cannibalized it later on.
mircea_popescu: SEGA PAID THE DIFFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: so sega, in desperation, introduced a "minimum sales program". whereby, if the developer didn't meet a minimum value of sales
mircea_popescu: THEN, the dreamcast came out in 1999. sold well originally but then flagged, for all sorts of reasons. to do with final engineering and social effects (their controllers sucked, their cds were fragile, the average market prefered cheap and abundant psx games to excellent but rare and expensive dc stuff.)
mircea_popescu: in random lulz, from the 90s : psx came out in 1994 iirc, and utterly wiped the market. half the developers active were caught with excessive 16 bit cartridge inventory and within 18 months were bankrupt. it owned so hardcore, esp with ff7 coming out for it, that for ~ 3 years there were no new offerings in the console market.
asciilifeform: the gabriel_laddel approach -- 'oh hey i'll just pave over the swamp, nothing will ever fall through the pavement' -- also does not work, and is quite destructive to the sanity of folks who attempt it
asciilifeform: ye olde chip racket, as exemplified by xilinx (see thread), where 'by the time the docs leak, not only we stopped making it 15 years ago but go and buy even secondhand one!' -- remains operational.
mircea_popescu: just mp-style "i can see the future but can't explain it to you, back to work."
asciilifeform: not missed , that's what prompted the line of thought
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:41 mircea_popescu: there's many possible approaches to this ford we're not at yet.
mircea_popescu: you miss lines, and not random lines either.
asciilifeform: i thought about getting one with amd g-series -- and was at the point of seriously attempting it when the latter began to show signs of death
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu baking a pc-style mobo is not expensive, our existing pcb people could quite readily do it. the problem is 'out of what'. the necessary docs are not available, never leaked, nor the firmware signing keys (still not phuctored!1111 damn)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: If I Were A Rich Man Lyrics - Fiddler on the Roof - Soundtrack Lyrics: <https://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/bestofbroadway-americanmusical/ifiwerearichman.htm>; If I Were a Rich Man Lyrics - Fiddler on the Roof Cast - Soundtrack ...: <https://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/fiddlerontheroof/ifiwerearichman.htm>; If I Were a Rich Man (song) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Were_a_R
asciilifeform: they went to tlb cache, and other nonsense to make winblowz slightly less 'molasses'.
asciilifeform: the cheap transistors -- did not go to make bounds-checking memory, no
asciilifeform: and this is precisely what happened to the pc !
asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
mircea_popescu: poverty, and it's daughters : ignorance ; and the expectation that the state is good.
asciilifeform: ( pretty sure we had 'the' dma thread not long ago )
asciilifeform: it is an artifact of poverty, quite like those sheet metal huts the half-monkey folk in brazil live in.
asciilifeform: like the rest of it.
mircea_popescu: yeah i just meant re the fucking video bus
asciilifeform: the only thing the console knew how to send back, was keystrokes, and optionally audio-in
asciilifeform: (the 36xx console has a motherfucking m68k JUST FOR THE AUDIO - 16 bits! m68k was selling as ~cpu~ in other boxes)
mircea_popescu: make it one way only! get all that shit out of the box and into the display where it can hurt nothing!
asciilifeform: the bolix folx got this right in 1981.
asciilifeform: turning vectorade into bitmapola really oughat be happening inside, or at least near, the lcd -- rather than in the comp.
mircea_popescu: in any case by 2017 we rerally can relax re the "omfg television set" marketing criteria of 1987
asciilifeform: 'victory of the cockroaches'
asciilifeform: aha, via the above process
asciilifeform: (and destroyed the maker)
asciilifeform: amiga -- did; but this 'bolixed' it into a price point where it was outcompeted by the 64 !
asciilifeform: the 'killermost' micro, interestingly (commodore 64) -- did not
mircea_popescu: large portion of the whole mess is actually trying to capitalize on the fact that the killer micros came with their own television set
asciilifeform: 'gimme a real comp, everything else can happen either later, or on dedicated nintendo'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 20:46 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the state of casual gaming is completely fucked up. so other than utter throwaways, stuff that looks like someone's undegrad project, the ~entire market of ipad-likes (stuff that works in the browser, or else via a "light" client for windows/mac, or else as a ipad/android etc app) is wholly like this :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, if i feel the need to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629701 i'll just pick up an ipad.
asciilifeform: the 1 serious problem with everything-via-nic, is latency, it is an overhead-heavy thing, and intrinsically buffered
asciilifeform: (there are konsoomer-ready boxes for this, i had a bunch when working with the lab robot)
asciilifeform: even rs232 can hang off ethernet.
mircea_popescu: there's no disagreement here.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 00:12 asciilifeform: if i ever make the fpgaized thing, it sure as fuck won't bother trying to drive an lcd or eat keyboard, wtf, just speak x11.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i told you we have the concepts.
mircea_popescu: keep things simple. i'd rather see a bank of eight upt and another bank of 64 rs holes on the machine than the current bs.
mircea_popescu: computer-i can has rs for slow or ethernet for fast, and thassit.
mircea_popescu: "gotta be there"
mircea_popescu: anyway, usb suffers immensely from the utf effect. "only plug with power in it, everyone gotta be there!11"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh, but it's the ONE interface that's ~actually~ standard
asciilifeform: the original idea seemed appealing -- to make devices self-describing and conformant to standardized profiles -- 'keyboard', 'block disk', etc
asciilifeform: because the thing resembles winblowz api, contradictions and all.
asciilifeform: the spec is literally bookcase-length;
mircea_popescu: there's many possible approaches to this ford we're not at yet.
asciilifeform: (still doesn't exist, and is actually the ~only reason i even said 'need foundry')
asciilifeform: it wants the bus, or no pasaran. i know, sad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a chip is a chip is a chip. it'll do whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: still present of course, not hobbist 1k dollar cost. but nothing compared to the 1trn foundry runs you
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, and in my head there was this ACPI table you could ask the BIOS for or w/e
mircea_popescu: trinque the more important point he's making is that sanitization of software'd best start with motherboard redesign
trinque: I certainly concede the point that there's no sane way the kernel build process could go other than "better pack in everything" and then snip.
mircea_popescu: uldn't" dare piss on their faces.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's certainly a LOT less meaningful to speak of some supposed linux-windows distinction than it was in 1997. this is what bumbling imbeciles a la ermin gun sirer aim to communicate, in their bovine fashjion, when they say "windows is perfectly safe" : not that windows is anything but the crap it always was ; but that they feel confident they've managed to smear it on everything so bereft of alternative one "sho
asciilifeform: and good chunk of the craptree , in linuxland and winblowzstan both, consists of this crapolade
mircea_popescu: "what happened to computing ?" "it was captured by the craptree"
asciilifeform: the point, sadly, is that the world of 1993, where the machine consists of gadgets you can converse with independently, is gone
asciilifeform: so you gotta walk the buses, in turn, before it becomes even meaningful to attempt to speak to the thermometers.
asciilifeform: on many (most?) extant boxes, the thermometers sit on a 'sm' bus (2-3 wire thing, there are several variants) which in turn sits on pci bus
asciilifeform: GB nics have 2 parts, that are electrically independent and often made by separate firms, the 'mac' and 'phy' (the latter is what actually drives the transformer, the former -- what you/os think of as 'the nic')
asciilifeform: often there are subsystems, i'll give concrete example:
asciilifeform: the typical iron, is retarded far, far beyond the belief of anyone who is innocent of subj
asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
mircea_popescu: so basically, we make a usb diagnoser, you stuff it into mystery box, it spits out the equivalent of makefiles for it, you go to hot box, create image, plop it into mystery box and it boots ?
trinque: sanity would dictate you boot something which can run all those checks ~and not the fucking driver code too~
trinque: well, other sins
trinque: k, there is a check at the beginning of every module which involves "is this hardware present" for drivers
asciilifeform: ( because pretends to an isolation that is physically impossible on the iron )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this already happened in heathendom, long ago, was called 'microkernel' heresy
asciilifeform: still doesn't convert the public toilet that is unix/x86 into something else. but would shrink the audit surface considerably.
trinque: and that's still not better than "you only have the code available for what you intend to do"
trinque: aha, I'd at least like "look, network driver is the last thing you may ever load"
trinque: if there were, you'd boot a minimal environment that can produce a kernel config, then you'd go build your kernel, then bake that into your very own ISO
asciilifeform: trinque: i wonder if there is a means of making modules loadable ONCE per boot
trinque: isn't my doing that there is no tool to produce a kernel driver config other than booting EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS
asciilifeform: 'convenience' is not the word. how does trinque propose to make a 'livecd' (installer, say) that uses no modules.
asciilifeform: and at the end you get a thing that stops booting when you swap raid cards etc.
trinque: in the kernel config
asciilifeform: 'Exploiting the flaw in the vulnerable module n_hdlc does not require Microgate or SyncLink hardware. The module is automatically loaded if an unprivileged user opens a pseudoterminal and calls TIOCSETD ioctl for it setting N_HDLC line discipline.'