mircea_popescu: but by the microgram!
asciilifeform: i dun think the pestle is immune to friction
mircea_popescu: is he going to EAT the pestle ?!
phf: asciilifeform: why'd you say this. now i won't be able to make spices until i check. not like it would've killed me otherwise (tm)!
mircea_popescu: http://fare.livejournal.com/tag/ad%20hominem << lol at the "i write my text on windows" part ; but that aside the dude has a point.
mircea_popescu: it does because same reason as the cinder thing
asciilifeform: speaking of which, asciilifeform finally discovered how to make a decay-based rng that doesn't wear out or need high voltage -- use PIN diode. the q was always what to use for an emitter, that won't be stolen by post office of half the globe. granite, it occurs to me, is probably a good bet.
asciilifeform: lol granite... ever go over it with geiger ? (or the food..)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have no idea. it's worth 150% there of what it'd be worth anywhere else.
mircea_popescu: phf nah these are quite elegant actually. and ferous granite also, it's a slpendor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i were actually doing > 2 tons or so i'd have bothered. but really didn't have enough to juysrtify actual shipping
asciilifeform: and by the time it came : 1) 2/3 was missing 2) the remainder -- was utterly redundant
phf: oh yeah i have those two, i bought one in india last time, and it's as close as you can get to "rock with hole, another rock for mashing"
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it is way the fuck cheaper to overweight flights than to fedex. by a factor of like, 2.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:47 asciilifeform: a c-grinder will also, should its lid come off, happily continue to fly (yes) around the kitchen, grinding whatever ends up in its path, drywall, chairs, people, van goghs, stradivaris, crates of ammunition, dogs, dildos.
mircea_popescu: but aside from a whole crate with like 50 pogos in their original packaging, i carried over two granite mortar&pestle arrangements. because fu, i gotta have my pie spices hand ground.
asciilifeform: i still have several here, am quite fond of them.
mircea_popescu: yeah they're not bad at all.
asciilifeform: ( an' just about anything else, other than ye olde hog )
asciilifeform: btw they'll run 'nqb' pretty well, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't perjure you, they didn't get sold or left in argentina, so. all good.
asciilifeform: approx, d00d : 'what is this' asciilifeform : 'technical samples' d00d : 'promise you'll take them back where you came from' asciilifeform : 'mmok'
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit about any excuses. this is the first, and the most important criterion of any place. no airport coolies, not civilised.
mircea_popescu: btw -- here's a new mp rule : if the airport you land at does not have porters waiting at the ready, you have landed in the third world.
mircea_popescu: though i did give a fiddy to the porter who handled all of it, dude earned it. also made his day quite evidently.
asciilifeform: phf: i am fairly certain the post clerk thought i was sending $contraband
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually tricky bit, say btc goes to 5k, then buyer may well be rather pissed, rather than 'oh i'll reorder'
Framedragger: (i also called them to inquire but teh law is that they can't tell me more than on a postcard (which gives amount to pay, basically, i mean for srs). i may have gleaned something more by showing up at relevant delivery office (not the closest one) but i didn't bother (paid online and got it posted to my door))
phf: only thing they shipping usa -> wherever is drugs. so it's a pretty safe bet to investigate
Framedragger: the only form they gave me was basically a fucking postcard saying "you gotta pay us if you want it"
Framedragger: minimum import duty amount ~£8, *but* there is a tax for the tax (not kiddin) - administrative fee - which is also £8, so £16 in total for import (lololol)
Framedragger: it *could* be that it's because asciilifeform nicely noted down a dollar value on the parcel but then if he didn't he'd technically be breaking some law or another i'm sure
asciilifeform: they have sound vans, advertising 'hey folx, remember when we were a COUNTRY!?'
Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
mircea_popescu: which is why the "exotic" nationalist party, abe & co, keep pushing for army.
mircea_popescu: japan is actually finding itself in a very great conjuncture, reminiscent of early 1900s. both russia and china need it. the usg... who cares.
mircea_popescu: this is just about the case.
phf: i vaguely suspect japan is actively shedding u.s. assets, so all these "investigations" might be u.s. attempt to extract whatever they can still extract
asciilifeform: (other than, perhaps, cryptoAG's mechanical ciphrators)
asciilifeform: there did not exist nsaware in '80s.
mircea_popescu: not in the 80s!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the japs are trying to insulate it from the loss, it may survive in parts.
asciilifeform: where there are 1-2 makers
asciilifeform: with death of toshiba, microcontrollers will take a serious step to the same shithole in which pc cpu sits
mircea_popescu: kinda why i didn't like it. made all these bs lower market tvs.
asciilifeform: they are nailing, e.g., samsung
mircea_popescu: if usg asks for an apple, you bid a dollar, and nobody underbids you, they'll decide they must "inspect" to "investigate" etcetera, and won't you agree to a three dollar fine ?
mircea_popescu: if usg asks for an apple and you bid a dollar and then they decide to define "apple" as a sack of potatoes, you owe two dollars in merchandise.
asciilifeform: expect moar 'back lucks' as usg burns the furniture.
mircea_popescu: the scam is very fuinny in particular because usg-run toshiba subsidiary westinghouse negotiated "fixed price" contracts with local baronies ; they happen to understate actual cost by at least 60%. unsurprisingly, the "undue enrichment" concepts were temporarily suspended. had it gone the other way, and toshiba managed to make off with 250% what it was owed, it'd be all "Corruption scandal" and whatnot, of course.
asciilifeform: as uncle al schwartz wrote, re mexico's nationalization of syntex co (maker of 1st synthetic progesterone) -- 'it died, and as always they called it 'bad luck''
mircea_popescu: aha. just making a modest stab at chronicling the process
asciilifeform: (y'know, the way nigerian villagers 'create wealth', by augering petropipe and standing around with buckets)
mircea_popescu: in other news, toshiba seems headed for the ex-bin. after the "we made up 7bn profits over the past 6 years and are really losing 5bn a year atm" 2016 lulz, they've announced a 3.5bn looting by the usg this year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or how 'create wealth' means 'drill into the printolade pipeline'
asciilifeform: phf: i definitely know the ~type~ aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes! pizza time theatre!
phf: i met fare at one of international lisp conference's and i thought he was kind of off, but the kind of work he did on asdf3 precisely corresponds to his personal and writing styles. sort of like a dirty kid that you have to constantly remind to like fucking go wash yourself dude, omg
mircea_popescu: it's somewhat funny, in the side pocket, how paul graham's idle verbiage about "the power of tech entrepreneurs to reinvest and create wealth" ENTIRELY ignores how without exceptrion his chosen field consists of mark cubans, ie dorks who made away with a large pile of corporate loot in a very madoffian manner and then just kept piddling it away.
mircea_popescu: i thought that guy with the failed lcd restaurant would have been.
asciilifeform: ted nelson is a patron saint, of these folx
asciilifeform: and various others ( i think some of them are still linked from my www, they were 'in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' )
asciilifeform: phf: there was a considerable shadow world of folx with 'big dreams' re sane comp, but ~0 technical capability, e.g., r. kulisz
mircea_popescu: i know plenty of 15yos who could recite factoids about fast cars i would nevertheless not permit to drive my fast car.
mircea_popescu: there's a very strict difference between technical competence and trustworthyness.
phf: i don't think fare was ever sane, but he at some point existed in similar space to asciilifeform, so people would mix the two together. i don't think anything he ever wrote was as lucid as "seven laws of sane computing", but a lot of highly abstract verbiage on imaginary systems designs
mircea_popescu: also why the fuck won't bernstein SIGN random text snippers.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, twitter is not a platform. anyone can say whatever the fuyck they want 140 chars at a time and i'll ignore it just like i ignore smsn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not clear to me we're on the page here. is https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt the point of interest ?
asciilifeform: ... and at the same time wrote, and maintains, musl.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must not have read the links in ^thread
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 17:57 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632826 << by the way rich felker is the author of musl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad part is that d00d used to be ~sane
asciilifeform: the fungi rely on 'evolution of fundamentals', aka putrescence
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck cares what fare says/does, his head is more broken than anything you'd drag out of a colombian by the hour hotel.
mircea_popescu: omfg this is the dumbest thing i read all week! and i read beginner's essays penned by 20yo sluts!!
mircea_popescu: hat tend to not evolve much "above", and not at all "below" their base abstractions).
mircea_popescu: PS: Here are ways that Racket is indeed vastly superior to CL, that make me believe it's the future of Lisp: First and foremost, Racket keeps evolving, and not just "above" the base language, but importantly *below*. This alone makes it vastly superior to CL (that has evolved tremendously "above" its base abstractions, but hasn't evolved "below", except for FFI purpose, in the last 20 years), and superior to most languages (t
mircea_popescu: it doesn't fall in not because hull, like boat, but because mutual reinforcement. which is imo the idea of "maintain world" for us too. clearly tmsr world will be bigger than usg/whatever world. if it is also sufficiently rigid, gravity or seaworthyness are no longer considerations : it can't fall in because of itself not leaving room to.
asciilifeform: the result of merely kicking out the current crop of dreppers is more raft than boat, it oughta be remembered
mircea_popescu: it's not however more to fix one or two of them ; and if this work can be pooled then a complete system becomes quite feasible.
mircea_popescu: it's more than what any sane mind can do, to fix ALL THE ONES HE NEEDS.
mircea_popescu: phf that's kinda how/why we're stuck maintaining the world. gotta do the purges once and share. this "one man against horde of rats" is why people don't have sane tools today.
asciilifeform: need mechanism, to separate self from the water.
diana_coman: trouble is that unless the kick out is intrinsic, simply a machine function
diana_coman: I read there "kick him out" for "exposing"
mircea_popescu: i don't need five minutes to expose a bad collegiate paper, what's the exposure do ?
diana_coman: so you expose 1 and then 10 and then 100 and so what; infinite points are on their side
diana_coman: "you can expose him in 5 minutes" is not enough and moreover it is in favour of the idiots simply because ..mass
asciilifeform: well yes -- the fungus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform essentially, "no one will" holds for as long as there's an imaginary fixed point to hang it of -- actual management in this case. what happens once obama is in charge of hiring ? why, one CAN!! sudden;y get job by pretending to know, and ONLY by pretending. no nsa for oyu!
asciilifeform: it is simply not possible if there are active graybeards, forming a perimeter defense
asciilifeform: the important thing is that this process is exactly like the growth of fungus in aids patient
asciilifeform: 'wanna install widget W ? ok, now install auto-liquishit-pump so it can download 10,001 turds and THEIR dependencies, and gender-fixes'
phf: right, so you grok the method
asciilifeform: phf: they did it to emacs, even
phf: asciilifeform: i actually tried replacing my asdf with asdf1 and the failure is that of thousand cuts. small, completely inconsequential additions to asdf file or some pointless uiop:foo-bar somewhere deep in code. some asdf files have hardcoded #-asdf3(error "asdf3 required") but then still work, etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 15:27 diana_coman: asciilifeform, the "appeal" from an idiot perspective is "it's popular" ; that means that at some point (late, but anyways) they WILL find it appealing
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633867 << naggum's observation 'cl does not support posers, no one will land a job by pretending to know it, you can expose him in 5 minutes' was only half-true -- turns out there is a process whereby vermin colonize a field, it is quite similar to the way in which lichens break apart a stone into soil
phf: yeah, i was about to *, but i keep doing this, where i type equivalent sounding words all over the place
phf: (speaking of common lisp. asdf the system dependency tool turned from 30k in version 1 into a asdf/uiop 900k monster in version 2. in a systemd move took over most of the compatability packages and is now present ~in every single lisp distribution~. with the did accomplished, Fare posts the following http://fare.livejournal.com/188429.html )
mircea_popescu: this is trivially true and directly verified with eg irc, or gpg, or any other item we deigned to use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking this is universally guaranteed. as per the ancient "idiot -- can not have idea ; mp saying x and idiot saying x are not the same", the mere fact of your using it enacts it as a ~substantially~ different item than what they use.
asciilifeform: and there is very little that a monkey can do .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, urgh, I'd rather ask: how I can PREVENT this being done
mircea_popescu: consider : running a destornillador comes out of the box ; skating - nope.
asciilifeform: the interesting q to ask re a system is not 'can idiots make a sham version' but 'can i tell that this was done'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fact that people can not ~naturally~ drive on ice is sufficient case study to illustrate just how poor the human brain is at handling delayed backfeed.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ~everything has been sitting there since ages until someone comes and does something useful (for him) with it and THEN, (as in: too late) everybody starts doing something with it hence popular etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is sadly a form of special pleading. consider the tribe of americans in the nation of africa with the deformed heads / elongated necks / etc.
phf: asciilifeform: it's too big of an item, but ~they still totally do~ you just need to go to burning man. plenty of people are "i build art for the big burn, can handle big machines"
mircea_popescu: holy shit, purported usage of weapons IN EXACT CONTRADICTION TO THEIR UTILITY is a holywood standard today!
mircea_popescu: what, you think black and decker power tools hanging from power cords around the neck could NEVER become a "music industry" standard ?
mircea_popescu: there's no utility involved. suburban ustard wears item because of ~how it makes her feel~ to ~be seen~ as ~being one of the~ rather than any use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is one of labels not one of contents. you keep thinking in utility terms.
diana_coman: anything you do and works and becomes useful WILL encounter the mass of idiots jumping on it
mircea_popescu: the way we do things has no appeal except to serve the way we think. yet, ape-ing is constant. stealing bits of trilema is like chuka raiding rtg in siberia, yet chukas do raid. on it goes.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the "appeal" from an idiot perspective is "it's popular" ; that means that at some point (late, but anyways) they WILL find it appealing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the animal, imho, doesn't have a skin that anyone might care to wear. if you remove the safety, it simply becomes a muchly verbose cpp.
asciilifeform: i suspect that this will not happen, however. the language has 0 appeal ~other than~ for the safety.
mircea_popescu: the above works. "Turn it into cpp."
asciilifeform: phf: it'd be entertaining to see what, exactly, they'd do.
asciilifeform: then again, i could be wrong, they could shit out 'tools' that 'autogenerate the hard parts' or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: understand, there's dorks on tardstalk TODAY going "oh, mp keeps saying things and they keep not happening."
asciilifeform: phf: i have a hard time picturing said 'modernization' as looking like anything other than 'let's turn it into cpp'
diana_coman: but essentially it is so far the only sort of approach that stands a chance against the mass of idiots basically; still a field of study for me re actual deployment, but anyways
phf: fwiw ada is a harsh mistress is an illusion. if it were to become fashionable to write ada among the hacker news crowd, there will be rapid attempts at modernization. common lisp went through that process
mircea_popescu: and that's just how the code trap works too : it takes a while for the cost of shitty practices to accrue to the point where it exceeds the cost of having used alternative practices.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the term i usually use is 'ecological problem' -- and it is tricky, because how do you demonstrate that something is one, beyond dispute. this may be why various derps like to go straight to masquerading as ecologists...
diana_coman: certainly more fundamental; I talked about code because I write code, not because the issue is not clearly visible otherwise
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly, these systems with delayed backfeed are generally beyond the ability of the common human brain to administer.
mircea_popescu: also consider how methyl alcohol poisoning works (you ever wondered how the rfuck is it possible this STILL occurs today ?) : there's a sudden transition from dosing which the body absorbs without signal to dose wich renders one blind. the animal, without exception, ends up with a source of methyl alcohol. drinks some, is ok. drinks some more tomorrow, is ok. then goes to wedding/party/is depressed, drinks a lot. is blind.
asciilifeform: where there's enough stored fat not to notice that intake has stopped
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is a problem more fundamental than code. consider : well run us, relying on the wealth amassed by people whose toes today's imbeciles aren't qualified to kiss, the carnegies and rockefellers and etc of the golden age, readily allowed inept management the APPEARANCE of working, at least initially. 1970s us still appeared like it has a future, notwithstanding it had all the future of argentina. why ? because pi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either h or gravity lol
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:27 asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633736 <- I actually think that is a characteristic worth knowing how to replicate in one's own programs: after all the horrors I saw, I quite find it a bad thing that well done code tends to be basically too forgiving on idiots
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is interesting that programmers often lament 'we have no union', but in fact managed a 'confederacy of dunces' so strong and monolithic that they get away with crapola that'd get any other kind of artisan, mass-hanged
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:41 asciilifeform: but yes, you will do 2-3x the work, subjectively, as when writing c proggy. but it is not ~wasted~ work, just as the work of using v instead of 'git' etc. is not wasted.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633751 << quite. like work in cleaning operating room before operating is not wasted. "I JUST WANNA GET TO THE KNIFIGN!!" "then might i suggest a back alley knife fight somewhere ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:27 asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:20 asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what. turkey was building the first university when england was == mongolia.
mircea_popescu: the only worthy equiv in ro is the one with the hedgehog's hole which im sure i recounted.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc vinylon (aka 'juche fiber', i shit thee not) not only feels slightly stiffer than nylon, but is undyable
asciilifeform: hare : 'ah, but see, they'll take you in, bugger, castrate, THEN go and prove that you ain't a camel.'
asciilifeform: wolf : 'so what the fuck are you worried about, you ain't a camel'
asciilifeform: hare : 'i heard they catch camels round here, and when caught, you get buggered, then castrated'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the greater point here being that the last battle for sanity is being fought : after chem killind most everything ("ecoleather" destroyed leather industry, for instance, rayon/nylon murdered silk, fake news killed linen etc etc), cotton, the last survival natural fiber is under attack.
asciilifeform: originates from old tale : a hare is galloping across the steppe. he meets a wolf, who asks :
mircea_popescu: actually i can tell ye this : in the above context, "not legal" also includes situations where it's technically legal but more expensive to comply than worth bothering (worth as defined by mass scale producers)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there was a ban on 'red book' animals etc
mircea_popescu: lawyer sent me memo ten years ago "careful about taking your cane on trip, they're insane" etc.
shinohai: My guess of the day: Belize
asciilifeform: ( even my fairly ordinary auto -- is all leather )
mircea_popescu: also go to five star hotel, check out their towels. or buy one of those new and cuddly bathrobes for gf. also microfiber
mircea_popescu: the original item is of course goretex, 1960s tech, where you heat teflon and suddenly pull on it, makes this 8-9-1k% the size microporous structure.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633641 << what do they do in a fire ? under sunlight ? in acids ? can you make them without any petro ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633711 << buy a new car take the "upholstery" apart, it's 99% gonna be microfiber. what does it do under sun ? nothing. if you pour coke on it ? nothing. if you pour sulphuric acid it melts, for sure.
asciilifeform: it's gonna end up a trick, 'ahaha i'm on OTHER END of buenos aires', lel
asciilifeform pulls out map, for guess o'the'day :
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:03 asciilifeform: omfg jurov mathematica ain't a typesetting system!
mircea_popescu: pondering whether ima need to order generators etc.
asciilifeform: how's the new bananistan
shinohai: I think those types will always exist .... I found it mirthful that they showed up in the comments section of the dao hacker article on trilema.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/3Ycl6 >> kako finally turns off +m , and it is revealed! that the 'gimme money pleeez' folx still exist. just as years ago.
asciilifeform: eventually one -- learns. and then you begin to see the monkeys who 'why should i have to look for a special place before taking a shit, i can do it wherever' as the loathesome things they are.
asciilifeform: both are items 'civilians' are quite accustomed to, to the point of 'how the fuck can anyone even think of living without'
asciilifeform: i don't bring them up together out of superficial similarity, but from fundamental one -- v rejects 'merge' as a concept; ada rejects the promiscuous pointer and cast
asciilifeform: the end result -- is different.
asciilifeform: but yes, you will do 2-3x the work, subjectively, as when writing c proggy. but it is not ~wasted~ work, just as the work of using v instead of 'git' etc. is not wasted.
asciilifeform: there ~are~ considerable wins in convenience -- you can ask an array how big it is; and where it starts/ends (indices are not from zero, but can be from anything to anything, as can types -- you can have a type 'integers from 12 to 15', say.)
asciilifeform: but it does require letting go of n decades of 'c thinking', where you reflexively litter the proggy with pointers to whatevers
asciilifeform: and more or less any problem that doesn't involve os calls, can be solved in some other way.
asciilifeform: then later it dawns on you that the 'could have been trivial' would have been at the cost of becoming c.
asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result.
asciilifeform: there is no substitute for actually writing proggies, aha
mod6: right, ya, something like that. i've got the links to all the sample proggies from before too. so, maybe i'll extend one of them, or that one, or make my own.
mod6: will think on sample projects to get me into the groove.
mod6: was thinking maybe something V-like, since it's fresh in my mind. but the string manip might get tedious and ugly and detract from the overall goal.
mod6: something to get into it a bit, but not too deep. before I try to dig into anything on the btctron level.
mod6: yah, im not sure im quite there yet. what i really need to start in on is a decent enough sample program.
mod6: thanks for the link.
asciilifeform: (or use 'unchecked' but then you may as well write in c )
asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle
asciilifeform: mod6: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Attributes << almost all of the attributes, in helpful list
mod6: i've been going through ada95, and it helps with some of the weird stuff like X` and P` or whatever.
mod6: i have to say that some of the ada stuff is a bit non-obvious by syntax only.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 07:09 ben_vulpes has clearly not read the ada books
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633701 << i regret to inform ben_vulpes that reading the book (pick anything that is about ada95 or post) is actually necessary -- a number of things (e.g., the very 'fascist' access variable rules) will make 0 sense until you do
asciilifeform: but neither applies to him
asciilifeform: brute force can even get results if the problem is inherently susceptible (e.g. clearing mine field) -- or, failing that, if at least one bothers to start from unexplored point in solution space
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 06:55 mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 05:51 mircea_popescu: some of the new microfibers aren't bad.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633641 << what do they do in a fire ? under sunlight ? in acids ? can you make them without any petro ?
asciilifeform: omfg jurov mathematica ain't a typesetting system!
jurov: https://www.quantamagazine.org/20170328-statistician-proves-gaussian-correlation-inequality/ << yet other ppl avoid both mathematica and LaTeX and use...Word.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, mosul successfuly conquered ; russian reports of mass bombing of civilians entirely untrue. don't fall for fake imitations, always read only the genuinotrue Real News (tm) !
mircea_popescu: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/good-shit-sign-me-the-fuck-up << the fucking cancer. tl;dr : random transvestite mashed kbd last year, this is now documented as if it somehow mattered.
ben_vulpes has clearly not read the ada books
ben_vulpes: the implicit return of previously-defined return values or whatever-the-hell-is-actually-going-on there is pretty nifty
ben_vulpes: come now, not serious in the slightest
ben_vulpes: although i imagine less 'army of lovers' and more 'everyone who *didn't* shit in the codebase is doing pushups'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-17 05:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the washing thing is a serious problem. turns out that if no women around, people stop seeing the point.
mircea_popescu: they drew the conclusion that optionality is not enough, and work safety must be provided through regulation.
mircea_popescu: this directly relates to the sad observation of labour activists in the 19th century, that labour is entirely disinterested in its own welfare, and will readily take jobs ~well known~ to be harmful, overly risky, etc. (radium girls go right in here).
mircea_popescu: because if it's your own feet, you may well not be bothered to dry them out each day.
mircea_popescu: this, as you might imagine, was a major problem in ww1, which is why it's even called "trench foot". it was then discovered the best solution to the problem is pairing all the soldiers and having each responsible for the feet of the other
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : there are many diseases of the foot, all of them rather similar : capilaries die, then the skin gets colonized by fungus and bacteria, then the nerves die and then gangrene sets in. frostbite is not necessary ; nor is diabethes -- something as simple as keeping the feet in warm mud for half a day, or wet for a few days in the same socks will do it.
ben_vulpes: oops there i go being nonjudgemental again
mircea_popescu: i always thought that was by choice rather than necessity.
mircea_popescu: if you're doing all the trenching anyway, actually documenting it is not much more load, and totally worth it.
ben_vulpes: the req'd historical version does not even begin to run on current os x
mircea_popescu: are you doing it for the mac ?
ben_vulpes: on one iteration it popped an x11 window and then segfaulted!
mircea_popescu: "we represent the whole world*!!!" * as understood by whatever 3rd echelon bureaucrat in the us dept of our democracy that "handles" "canada".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol what the fuck. canadian bitcoin orange revolution!!
ben_vulpes: the waves are just
mircea_popescu: some of the new microfibers aren't bad.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : the only synthetic cloth fiber that isn't shit ( as, e.g., nylon : flammable, melts on skin, crumbling under sunlight, etc ) is made in... north kr! >> https://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/facility/industry38.htm
mircea_popescu: i dunno that at any point since henry was the "legal system" so much of a joke.
mircea_popescu: in other oh wows, elena udrea (ro slut politician, quite successful. http://trilema.com/2009/super-terrific-caption-hour-part-i/ ) got convicted for nothing in particular (her party no longer in power), 5 years.
mircea_popescu: to continue the "bikers are human too" thread, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1m5dbf9Rn1qe8p5xo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: myeah. the blockstain.
asciilifeform: (because the reference is a simple integer, showing where thing is found!)
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:57:45] <asciilifeform> ( possibly -- if some hero devotes several years to it, trb-style -- but even then )
asciilifeform: these will end up 'interned', i.e. represented in the db, in such a way that any tx referred to inside a tx is fetched in O(1)
mircea_popescu: this is rather nice a model.
mircea_popescu: "my stove dun work", fine, but it isn't because the gas is wet.