mircea_popescu: well that's what i want to discuss, seems to me it's central to the point. what's the disconnect ?
trinque: moving the counterparty problem under a microscope where human can inspect it is not equivalent to the other given cases
mircea_popescu: if i come up with random "will you phf guarantee to me that if i swab her cheek on so and so date there won't be a spermatozoid in the microscope field", you'll just shrug.
asciilifeform: was just another set of derps.
phf: asciilifeform: you're just moving the counterparty problem around, which is exactly my point
asciilifeform: phf: the need to 'trust the foundry' evaporates under the 'SOLELY fpga fabric' model of computation. we had the thread.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 20:46 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the state of casual gaming is completely fucked up. so other than utter throwaways, stuff that looks like someone's undegrad project, the ~entire market of ipad-likes (stuff that works in the browser, or else via a "light" client for windows/mac, or else as a ipad/android etc app) is wholly like this :
asciilifeform: and yes it means you have to pull the eproms, burn own, etc
phf: mircea_popescu: i think nature of bootstrapping problem is that you have to choose a bedrock that you can affect, and that bedrock falls under counterparty problem. if your bedrock is hardware, then it's foundries that you trust. if your bedrock is a "a unix" then you need to trust a large binary blob. yes you can construct a rube goldberg that gives you unix from bedrock without having trust, but we don't have anything like that
ben_vulpes: myeah, still took the americhanskis a few decades to figure it out, and most haven't yet.
asciilifeform: (as they were aboard, e.g., submarines)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the availability of general-purpose comp was ~pure accident. and quite temporary. just like, say, lathes used to be ubiquitous back when auto repair needed one.
mircea_popescu: because rakim is stuck bagging my compras for a fucking reason. and nobody asks him which way the world goes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the notion that computers are mass market items are ridiculous. no, rakim didn't want one in 1977 either.
asciilifeform: but the danger of keeping the fungus alive , when it could have been killed -- is imho very real. it is what linux, for instance, ended up doing: keeping the idiot pc architecture alive long past 1995, when it should have burned
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sterling: "i'm astonished that i will probably outlive the 'personal computer'. what would anyone want one of those for these days anyways. 'hey you, do you want a personal computer? you can...compute on it! in private! nobody would ever know!' it just doesn't sell to the touchscreen zombies, no offense to present company."
asciilifeform: but on the other hand, at some point the pain will begin to be felt, 'i want to build emacs but where do i get not only it but a box that'll build pre-poettering emacs at all, and where do i even get the gcc that still builds it'
trinque: wrong machine though I gather from you, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: i seriously don't see the problem with "i trust this pared down version of tcc - it builds a very slow blob but it does build it - and these tools which i read myself"
phf: lisp machine fwiw doesn't solve bootstrapping problem either.. have to trust a binary blob that you got from your l1
asciilifeform: phf: the reason why i have not attempted the contemplated exercise, nor seriously encouraged others to do so, is that you are right -- c and unix MUST die.
phf: asciilifeform: you introduce gcc, userland, etc. in the mix already. so either the whole system must fit in head, or else it's not an important prereq for you
mircea_popescu: and afaik it wasn't specifically written to solve the bootstrap problem. prolly could be shortened thertefore.
asciilifeform: and therefore in order for the 'find trusted auditor' to have MEANING, the item being audited must fit-in-head.
mircea_popescu: run a "who can wriote the shortest c compiler".
trinque: neither is ideal, which would be a progressive bootstrap from machine code up
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, the "you don't actually need a machine, just gcc and userland"
mircea_popescu: phf the "need gcc and userland utils" you mean ?
asciilifeform: phf: problems that cannot be solved, are to be properly compartmentalized -- consider a house with a toilet, vs one where the occupants shit where they stand.
asciilifeform: whereas if the debian util needs ~a working debian box~, it solves ~nothing~
asciilifeform: (sed; make; possibly a few others)
trinque: in this case needs a debian sitting there, yes
asciilifeform: trinque: what does it need in order to begin to exist on the box, though ?
a111: Logged on 2013-07-08 13:30 mircea_popescu: just like i showed the SDRs as the exact equivalent, and people ignored it because well... they never had one so it don't exist.
mircea_popescu: phf this is sane, imo. exposes all the dirty hacks which "in kindergarten" etc.
derpshart: https://thecontrol.co/stablecoins-a-holy-grail-in-digital-currency-b64f3371e111 <-- lulzy idea for alt coin (ethereum token ofc) tied to price of "special drawing rights"
phf: asciilifeform: that's a bootstrapping problem though. at least at the time that i'm speaking off, it was ~expected~ that you would do a custom build of some of your packages, and they whole deploy process relied on source packages being built by not-package-author
asciilifeform: ~whole point of bsd is to 'not linux' -- the bsds are relics from the time before the 'biofilm', when there was still some coordination and, e.g., same people wrote kernel and userland-utils
phf: asciilifeform: the complete debian releases from back in the day included both package and package source trees
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is the principal reason mp doesn't speak against the bsd subversion/heresy.
asciilifeform: phf: pretty sure it stowed binary packages in there
phf: debian comes closest to what would be considered "proper" in tmsr terms. the package archive is curated, the source is fully owned by the package author, etc. you can still grab old debian 10cd sets and have the entire slice of linux computing from the time
asciilifeform: the modern brazil.
asciilifeform: trinque: i stopped reading the 'nows' a while ago.
trinque: because the beoble must
ben_vulpes: everyone straight to the cinderblock palace
trinque: asciilifeform: now there is "stage4"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the history of linux is not like the history of a respectable item. it's like "the history of the human biofilm on the floors of grand central station, 1817-2017".
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: around the time gentoo irrevocably went to shit, notice, it stopped supporting stage1 builds
phf: debian vendors, i suspect so does redhat, because they package the original source into own packages
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, but still, we have some experience with the neat trb building process. it can be done.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nobody after the age of 'spam cdrom', where, e.g., rathead 5 HAD TO fit on 5 disks 'or what, user will use his dial-up to load the rest?\
ben_vulpes: nobody in the history of linux distros vendored
phf: it's the same with openbsd's ports, netbsd pkgsrc, mac's homebrew, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: and i have found, that quite often -- they do not
phf: portage doesn't include the original source code, so even if you have the tree, need to make sure that all the external urls resolve
asciilifeform: and ideally we would be killing the heathen swamp rather than placing it on life support
ben_vulpes: fwiw the trees are intact.
asciilifeform: the extant ones are rotten
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it is possible to do it, but the problem is that there is nothing to mirror any longer
ben_vulpes pants at the notion
mircea_popescu: actually how i even got the idea.
mircea_popescu: certainly the btc musl thing is a major cornerstone in that vein.
asciilifeform: the eulora thing is complicated because gpu
mircea_popescu: but... rather distant bridge i'm guessing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you somehow, somewhere got a box where it wouldn't even boot the install disk
mircea_popescu: i know i couldn't get it to the point where eg it's in the eulora wiki as "do this to run eulora"
asciilifeform: if gentoo.org etc evaporate, or , as more likely, go the usual way of decay -- that'll be all, for it
asciilifeform: at one point i answered mircea_popescu's 'you could not replicate your workstation' challenge with the gentoo cure. but that will only work 'while supplies last', i'm not even certain when the last time was that anyone tested it
asciilifeform: phf: the 'make bsd with vtronic portagetron' thing looks slightly more appealing every day
phf: merely observing maggot activity on the putrefying body
asciilifeform: phf: hey, they 'deprecated' flymake (that works with all sane compilers past and future) in favour of 'flycheck' liquishit
mircea_popescu: that's how things go. first, cynical fraud. then, a generation grown up on cynical fraud -- all mongoloids.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah but the impression i used to get in the past, is of cynical fraud, well aware of the sheer lunacy of the claims
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636296 << find-tags deprecated?? that's like deprecating self-insert-command or move-beginning-of-line or something. the fuck is wrong with these people
mircea_popescu: these folks never heard of ANYTHING
asciilifeform: almost like these folx never heard of sybil etc.
asciilifeform: to coordinate job (do hiring, communication, etc.), but not necessarily have to be expert in the field to be able to check freelancer’s work (e.g check developer’s code).'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 19:24 ben_vulpes: in which nerds continue to assume that basic problems of coordination and capital allocation can be solved with technology, specifically ethereum: https://blog.ethlance.com/ethlance-introducing-job-sponsorships-84a7f7ca07d3
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636368 << lulzy, e.g., 'Now you have to choose authorized addresses that will be allowed to spend funds from sponsors. These addresses will be in charge of evaluating whether work was properly done and therefore they’ll be paying freelancer’s invoices. Note, not even job creator himself has to be allowed to spend funds. Job creator can be somebody who’s willing to spend free time for community
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: oh hey the allende central planning computer thing
asciilifeform: (they look quite similar)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 19:32 trinque: ben_vulpes: ofc, because then you get to build a wicked-sweet control room http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cyb.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636371 << is this the one from star dreck, or the imitation that general alexander built at ft meade ?
shinohai wonders if this is what the guy looks like that operates his twitter account ....
mircea_popescu: and in other three ring bindings, https://68.media.tumblr.com/6b8c7736f7aff642103d4ff36071efa1/tumblr_ont5n3xduf1qmqb21o1_1280.png
mircea_popescu: especially considering they're little more than off-color naked women anyhow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more like idiots, tbh. "any problems we don't understand will be solved by the amulet of not understood problems. we sacrificed the right nuymber of goats on the right day, no need to worry about it."
shinohai: Perhaps they will find bright minds to repair their replacement DNS, which broke in a day.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: well is it in the logs or not?
trinque: ben_vulpes: ofc, because then you get to build a wicked-sweet control room http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cyb.jpg
Framedragger: ^ re above, last noob note, so [citing HN so grain of salt, etc.] this one gene (Cas9) has two functions: locating a dna sequence matching given chunk of rna, and cutting dna at that location. this substr() and insert_at_location().. together with some other genes it probably makes the whole thing turing complete. (~known, but particular demonstrations are interesting.) (also probably in the logs heh.)
Framedragger: fascinating (also their invoice and employment examples are very convincing)
ben_vulpes: in which nerds continue to assume that basic problems of coordination and capital allocation can be solved with technology, specifically ethereum: https://blog.ethlance.com/ethlance-introducing-job-sponsorships-84a7f7ca07d3
Framedragger: wait no CRISP is the *immune response* to shit like ^. something like "distributed redundant backups of parts of dna" (repeated sequences). so nvm, 2deep4me
a111: Logged on 2017-03-31 19:19 mircea_popescu: here's some random lul : wolbachia is possibly the most successful bacteria ; in any case is the most widely distributed sexual transmitted disease ; about half of all insects extant carry some form ; many species can't reproduce if uninfected, or cant' even survive.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635314 << pretty fascinating; does this fall under the category of CRISPR (complete amateur question)? as in, "shit inserted in your dna by $parasite long ago, now you depend on it"
Framedragger: i'm sure the results would match opinions of teh experts as usual
mircea_popescu: should be funny to see what % of computers stay the same
Framedragger: dope'y. i can't see the keyboard through all this dope smoke
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453092 << as an ignoble fucktard (who got killed by the very golum he helped create) put it.
Framedragger: CompanionCube: you can use `!$ getarchive some_ip some_other_ip . . .` to get banners from the time of scan. (can do this as privmsg, `/msg scriba help`)
CompanionCube: no response from the 2nd/3rd, SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1 for the last one.
asciilifeform: CompanionCube: ~90% of the yield to date, is on account of debian
asciilifeform: CompanionCube: this is the typical daily yield. it usually comes out in 2-3 bursts tho.
shinohai ssh's in and deletes everyone's car pymt info, becoming the Robin Hood of Autos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636328
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy shit, romania is still in the "first best greatest" age of troglodytism. come to think of it will prolly stay there forever, fucktards can't read.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 17:52 mircea_popescu: ahaha oh this is delishious. "My work has appeared in LA Weekly, Vice, Curbed, Complex, ANIMALS, The Daily Dot, and LosAngeles.com" << dork quit law school because tucker max said to and is now a relationships advicerist.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 00:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's my point, OUT OF THE FUYCKING QUESTION she can, or that any one who was actually a lawyer would even consider trying.
asciilifeform: yeah i suspect most of the postal rape happens ~in~ usa side, adlai
adlai: it was quite well glued by the time it reached my hands
asciilifeform: those -- were put on at the post office in front of me.
adlai: on further inspection there are a few small pieces of scotch tape holding the mailing labels in place. if you didn't put these there, then maybe the entire envelope was replaced?
asciilifeform: but there it is.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was in the logs.
mircea_popescu: https://www.thelocal.at/20170128/hotel-ransomed-by-hackers-as-guests-locked-in-rooms << was this in the logs btw ?
asciilifeform: they're laser-cut
mircea_popescu: the conclusion being that i'm pretty sure they no longer ~actually manufacture~ the quartz tuning forklets, but instead just produce a soup of the things and then filter the functional ones out or some such
asciilifeform: this was a pretty serious puzzler, incidentally, for a long time i could not get the deterministic mode to work, and thought that i might have to scrap the design.
asciilifeform: so that leaves the rng.
asciilifeform: (and the optional clock-in)
asciilifeform: it is so as to make the deterministic test possible. turns out, the warm-up of crystal oscillator is NOT deterministic. so if you let the thing begin IMMEDIATELY when the clock is valid,
shinohai: "Neotibicen pronotalis is the loudest cicada in North America, and can achieve 108.9 decibels."
asciilifeform: where asciilifeform lives, there is a cicadacalypse every 17y
shinohai: mircea_popescu: same here, and it looks like alien inception or something when they do that 7 yr molting cycle. Damned exoskeletons everywhere.
asciilifeform: adlai: the online doc is authoritative.
adlai: Framedragger: ty. that note is correct, but the included printout omits it, thus my confusion.
Framedragger: ah if they do - sorry. this was from me reading online doc (http://nosuchlabs.com/), "3)"
adlai: fwiw this is not 'as instructed', the instructions say to remove both, then add one, switch it across, and then add the second
adlai: aha, i can fool it: if a module is removed while it barfs, then it keeps barfing as half-sad
Framedragger: were both of them present during power-up? i think the idea is to remove them once it's powered up. then it'd be half duty cycle SAD. (haven't tested myself yet tho)
adlai: it should be half-sad, according to the vendor docs
adlai: in other news, this FG unit appears fully sad (no tty output) unless /both/ modules are attached
adlai: i'm specifically thinking about the implants that require illumination, looks like this one could be trivially foiled (literally)
asciilifeform: (and the diff b/w a shield and an antenna is the ground. who is going to test the grounds? adlai ?)
asciilifeform: adlai: 'shielded cable' is still quite unshielded on the 2 ends..
adlai: re:RAGEMASTER, couldn't such an implant be mitigated by shielding the cable? (and destroying after use, in case it 'remembers')
adlai: Framedragger: it actually rained yesterday, but probably the last rain before fall
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: As I lamented to mircea_popescu the other day though, it is difficult to get them to see the value in Bitcoin (cam/twithos)
mircea_popescu: hm. i suspect there's something amiss with his site. anyway.
asciilifeform: the report was 'here's 100 for sale'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 05:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one's the testnet iirc
mircea_popescu: (this may sound like it's a joke. it is not a joke. review your standard issue systems design manual (don't tell me they forgot to issue you one!))
mircea_popescu: they are after all called "extremities"
mircea_popescu: this is the most middling of approaches, since it has to do with her cunt.
Framedragger: absolutely, question is if there's any middle ground, i mean, less extreme approaches (extreme by my standards of course)
mircea_popescu: by the time she's 18 she ~absolutely~ must be working at a profit. no matter the fuck what.
mircea_popescu: offspring gotta become capable to fend for self, that's the point and the definition of parenthood.
mircea_popescu: but the solution is relatively simple anyway. "honey, you're not going to """college""", you're going to either riadh or beijing, and if by the time you're 20 you're not either married or coming back with a million you're not my daughter.
mircea_popescu: im sure. the place didn't go to shit on its own.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, one's the kinda-almost test harness
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one's the testnet iirc
shinohai actually still has a bitcoind with shiva baked in on a lab lappy but is still learning the schema bits ...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc the test target built a turd that exercised data structures, serialization, etc. rather than whole thing
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 03:46 ben_vulpes: i wonder if there's some proportional relationship between setup/distribution costs and size of target niches
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636163 << i only know re lulu's rates; they are flat (or rather, depend on pg count, paper type, and process - colour vs bw -- strictly)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the one that came in genesis ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, hey asciilifeform have you ever built the trb test target?
ben_vulpes: i wonder if there's some proportional relationship between setup/distribution costs and size of target niches
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's use, if it isn't obvious, is a fairly obvious abuse. the 'intended' use is of course for chump to be used as a 'content generator' draft horse by the hucksters, a la traditional publishing )
asciilifeform: tbh oughta enjoy these 'print one copy for my desk' shops while they last. i suspect that amazon will eventually kill them.
asciilifeform: lulu knows how to do hardcovers, and they aren't half bad qualitywise.
asciilifeform: there may be cheaper/higher quality/whichever shops nao
asciilifeform: (i shit thee not)
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: pod is actually from the 90s.
asciilifeform: there are still a few academic publishers with something like tattered remnant of credibility (cambridge; springer -- ~maybe~) but probably soon -- not
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron that's nice, but the whole "i quit lawyering to write full time" narrative didn't work out.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 22:22 mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it. the time for unsolicited manuscripts was sometime in between the summer of 90something and the autumn of the same 90something. nobody can tell you precisely when, but in any case "i made a book" is precisely the same as "i made a used condom"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 22:14 phf: i suspect saifedean is pitching various audiences to create a buzz for his upcoming book, because the way he opened seemed like a cold call. "normies" "bezzle this bezzle that" every phrase felt like it was lifted from a "wake up sheeple" video with that matrix soundtrack
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 21:38 mircea_popescu: "the page at https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net says [object Object]"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636096 << bonus: the tab/window this loads in is ~self-closing~ in chrome and similar
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 23:44 shinohai: https://s3nd.org/berlin2017 <<< Behold the derpitude of "The Bitcoin Wallet Standards Development Initiative"
ben_vulpes: all you need for "wallet interoperability" is to make transaction scripts with OP_PUBKEY or OP_PUBKEYHASH followed by...a pubkey, or the hash thereof.
shinohai: https://s3nd.org/berlin2017 <<< Behold the derpitude of "The Bitcoin Wallet Standards Development Initiative"
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: the incentives seem inside out. it's not "i have something to say that's not otherwise been said" it's "i'm going to say something!"
mircea_popescu: because that's what it is. writing books is exactly like playing with rv boats. "oh, you won the milwaukee regional finals in 2016 ? WOW!!11 where do i throw my panties!"
mircea_popescu: "selling" 1k copies of a book is a) a fine way to spend a thousand hours of your time to earn about a hundred dollars and b) sufficient of an achievement to make you a "best selling author" and allow you to "lord it over" the utter fucktards populating that particular hobbist space.
phf: i somehow doubt he spent that time reading the logs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole "i write books" aspirational occupation is a macula of dumb just all of itself. i keep mentioning tucker max because he tried (and claimed to succeed) and utterly failed at the thing.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-11 08:48 saifedean: really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely.
mircea_popescu: "i want a guy who will love me for me" but in the male color scheme, as it were.
mircea_popescu: well, if by strategy you mean, attempt to adequate to the environment, i'd say none. if you mean "i am saifadean hear me roar" then sure, he's trying to matter as he is rather than as he'd matter.
phf: right, i'm trying to discern some kind of strategy that he's employing, but there might just be none
mircea_popescu: anyway. such is the high cost of harboring delusions of self-determination.
mircea_popescu: "you mean, with a girl ?" "no, by myself. but it'll get all the girls interested! after all my used condom maker works!!11"
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it. the time for unsolicited manuscripts was sometime in between the summer of 90something and the autumn of the same 90something. nobody can tell you precisely when, but in any case "i made a book" is precisely the same as "i made a used condom"
phf: this is not the right audience for that sort of club footed approach, but i'm sure he'll get a good response on bitcointalk or whatever
phf: i suspect saifedean is pitching various audiences to create a buzz for his upcoming book, because the way he opened seemed like a cold call. "normies" "bezzle this bezzle that" every phrase felt like it was lifted from a "wake up sheeple" video with that matrix soundtrack
mircea_popescu: anyway, only interesting under the angle of "idiot empire raided open source forum, pretends to have "discovered" things and to "give credits" to itself etc."
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 07:26 diana_coman: lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though
mircea_popescu: was that wonder in the logs ?
mircea_popescu had camwhoring on "list of things girl must do" extremely briefly. went right the fuck out, it's a scandalous abuse of the human body to compare with, eg, the "sulphur mine children".
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-April/000262.html
mircea_popescu: but then again i never knew any karaoke pros.
mircea_popescu always imagined stuff like america got talent is the tail end of karaoke bars.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how would you do it professionally, they have contests or what ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron they weren't offended in the slightest. i think the only proper way to describe tico mindset is "eagerly open minded".
asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean he shoots the kid ?! but we're doing spanish romantic bs all day, love you eternally etc!"
mircea_popescu: everyone was very... living up to the occasion of the sacred language blessing their venue. then i explained what the lyrics said, and i think they were a little aghast
mircea_popescu: she did "don't take your guns to town", which was teh only english thing done, and apparently was a challenge to download etc, but the dj was very proud to manage eventually.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, yest went with hanbot an' coupla locals to this "sports bar" where they run girl's footsketball (i have nfi, small indoor court, nice asses, ball kicking) and karaoke.
asciilifeform keeps his 3rd hand on the numberz pad, is all.
mircea_popescu: the only objection is that a happy life is not actually impossible.
mircea_popescu: there's no arguing that
asciilifeform: strictly in the sense of 'you can't learn to DO this, it isn't a thing that a generic ~you~ can ~do~'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i see it, doing http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit by being 10,000,001 people trying nonsense, and then writing as the 1 surviving taleb, is exactly same as doing it via the usual 10,000,001 sybils
mircea_popescu: "first of all there appeared the idiots, then next transport landed some thieves. as all women were already ladies a platoon of whores was parachuted from the sky. the danger being real the idiots spontaneously invented the first courthouse."
asciilifeform: one of the things i always liked about mircea_popescu is that he never did this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635995 << purporting to teach a demonstrably-unteachable replication of unreplicable success -- is the 'american' item.