mircea_popescu: i think the concept carries irrespective.
Framedragger: but i see the point, low profit.
mircea_popescu: i;ve not been following, guessing based on the alf provided number above.
Framedragger: 200 bux is not absolutely nothing, first off; and second off, 17 btc? was that the profit in the last P&L? honestly don't remember
mircea_popescu: if you think "switch" as described may cost as much as 1% of the total cost structure, voila, he has a $2 arrangement in place.
mircea_popescu: this "i'm not paying for the drinks and not having better ones is irresponsible" thing only goes so far.
mircea_popescu: so then.
Framedragger: out of the fee which is 0?
asciilifeform: one possibility is that znorta gambled the coins -- and lost.
asciilifeform: (~0, afaik, results on the field)
lobbes: In other noose: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gbu-43b-mother-of-all-bombs-massive-ordnance-air-blast-afghanistan-isis-a7682996.html
davout: at least if you plan on doing that, at least keep the site up and maximize profit by collecting more
mircea_popescu: twice the safety.
asciilifeform: seems like they use... both
asciilifeform: their clients.' << lulzy.
asciilifeform: 'A SWIFT Service Bureau, is the kind-of the equivalent of the Cloud for Banks when it comes to their SWIFT transactions and messages, the banks transactions are hosted and managed by the SWIFT Service Bureau via an Oracle Database and the SWIFT Softwares. This is why we see that many of those Service Bureau also offer KYC, Compliance, Anti-Laundering services since they have access to all those transactions as their are the host for
asciilifeform: and not '10 btc total', the new alphago one just by itself is worth ~17 btc
ben_vulpes: "modern banking is wholly owned subsidiary of usg" "what? no it's not" "yes it is: https://medium.com/@msuiche/the-nsa-compromised-swift-network-50ec3000b195" "...oh but that's different somehow"
mircea_popescu: how much was the pot, did anyone figure it out ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show".
asciilifeform: (or confiscated, or otherwise changed hands.)
asciilifeform: somebody (iirc mircea_popescu, even) advanced a hypothesis, last year, that znort is a purchased key
trinque: just making a general comment about the guy not having much of a wot presence
asciilifeform: in other 'news', bbet still dead!1111
Framedragger: doublespending double fees, this is bullish for ethereum
mod6: fg advanced test update: i've collected about 500Mb so far. ~half way there.
mod6: mircea_popescu: looks like the sisters are in az
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform set a squirrel trap on the roof but at night experienced squirrel sappers defused it and threw to the ground...
mircea_popescu: in other wins for "social justice" and just being a retard generally, pretty much every online game defaults to making your avatar brown-skinned with the next option being some sort of african black. because TOTALLY not a vast majority of white boys play these things, and there's ABSOLUTELY nothing ridiculous about a bunch of teenaged male drones going around with the equivalent of little gril pillows of themselves.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the "sisters in focus with dicks in the background" farms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a726cda44255b148a0a9b900f7babcd0/tumblr_ogse8xthTz1ucoif3o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> eh, too much publicity don't you think. << The option's available to the berieved lord
mod6: I don't think it needs to be announced otherwise. Just my way of tribute for my folks.
asciilifeform: '...complainant's father is hitting her... ...he has access to long guns, a shotgun, but it was not used in this incident...' << lol!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the webz, The password should not contain the invalid characters like: ', ".
mircea_popescu: aanyway, let's just say this bla bla has been going on for as long as there's been an internenet. nubbins abound, and they have shit to say about things, obviously.
CompanionCube: the linked blog post?
a111: Logged on 2012-08-15 19:45 mircea_popescu: smickles http://trilema.com/2012/falimentul-polimedia-srl/ there, 2011 results. the 2010 and 2009 are also published on my blog
CompanionCube: lol: 'They used fake details for the domain registry. The "company" behind the domain is Polimedia which is currently in "Forfeited Existence" in Texas. The registry info has been the same even before they switched owners a year ago.'
mod6: the wasps sound nasty tho ya.
mircea_popescu: is this in the "we're about to break and enter and trying to pretend like no warrant is needed because probable cause" ?
asciilifeform: '... the complainant's dog is running around the house, strangely, as if it senses someone... '
asciilifeform: i suppose dc is 'functional' then!11
mircea_popescu: in functioning state entirely not up to them.
mircea_popescu: the variety of wasps they have here is staggering. i got TWO kinds nesting, one's a perfectly harmless paper wasp, they eat the polen off a vine growing ion the fence. the other's a mud hut building guy, i think he eats spiders. then a third really fearsome type showed up evidently praying on the first type... then later a fourth super tiny kind was discovered when one fell in my drink....
mod6: It snowed on very early Tuesday morning and killed the SOBs.
mod6: i just killed the first ones of the year, last weekend. which is pretty insane for Minnesota to have mosquitos /already/.
mod6: im in the wrong locale.
asciilifeform: police radio : '...no one was in danger. and the caller was anonymous.'
asciilifeform: ( http://trilema.com/2013/and-then-i-said-to-him-jimmy << oblig!! )
asciilifeform pictures nsa goons with NJDs combing the woods
asciilifeform: 'Once the ladder ended, it was easy to climb from branch to branch up to where the material was located. A bird had built a nest on top of the sealed container. Happily, the nest was empty: breeding season had passed. We opened the container. The item was inside. We remained in the tree for a while....'
ben_vulpes: palpable difference between that which came from grandpa's estate and the fresh purchases.
mod6: just install jabber and talk to the dog, w00f!
asciilifeform: nope, probably meant exactly this. 'anonymous' (in the sense of, no fixed rsa pub.)
asciilifeform: nonymous identities. When I first talked to him, I made a new anonymous identity, and then when he got to Hong Kong, I switched. And when he left Hong Kong, I switched again.”'
asciilifeform: 'From the start, he said, their communication was flawed. Snowden had initially forgotten to provide his own PGP key, which meant that Micah’s reply couldn’t be encrypted. “Everything wasn’t perfect,” Micah said, recalling such missteps. “But there was no red flag, and I’ve gotten lots of emails from random anonymous people. I did pretty well, considering that I had no idea what the hell was going on. I kept switching a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even if it did, the way in which it is ductaped to the whole shebang is more important in the end.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 9/10 it means the lolcow 'libotr'
mircea_popescu: "otr" is not very specific either.
asciilifeform: ( get this -- pidgin. the thing with new 0day every 2 wks or so )
asciilifeform: re usg.'journalists' 'helping' snowdens, e.g., 'If you want to set up a secure way to communicate (which I think every journalist should) the best method is IM with an OTR encryption. You’ll need: a Jabber account, Pidgin IM client, and OTR plug-in.'
mod6: yeah, dont they use that stuff for leathal injections?
mircea_popescu: yeah, inject 10ml isotone, watch the heart failure.
asciilifeform: mod6: the idea of 'ideal rngistor', self-contained diode+isotope, but also in such a way that $isotope is something that is sold worldwide and passes unmolested through the post etc.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they sell that, btw, considering how easy it is to kill someone with it.
mircea_popescu: they're hard to calibrate in kitchen
mircea_popescu: o, those either. fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: they still sell those ?
asciilifeform: very soon i will have with what to pick up the beta.
asciilifeform: this is just the gamma tho
asciilifeform: 99.99% (supposedly) synthesis-grade kcl.
asciilifeform: in other noose, a geiger ( sbm-20 tube: sov., circa early 1980s ) tied to a 500g plastic bottle of KCl registers 0.18uSv/hr (incl. room background: 0.07 uSv/hr.)
Framedragger: (i'm angry with nubbins for upsetting the discourse back then, even tho i wasn't involved at all. shit like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-08#1426930 ; he's of a different kind entirely cf. kako in my mind.)
mircea_popescu: and, of course, nubbins / the rest of the "defenders of the public interest" will now reach into their deep pockets and make that public interest whole, amirite ?
mircea_popescu: i thought marketing is the only thing that adds to revenue, unlike everything else like say engineering etc, that adds to costs.
CompanionCube is very sory for mod6's loss, but at least their suffering is over.
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno, back in the day people kept saying things about marketing or whatever.
pete_dushenski: damn znort987... there was no way he was going to make his 86btc back at 1 or 2% margins was there. roi approached infinity as bitbet lost broader republican usage and support. shame.
mircea_popescu: indolent has the same root, "one who feels no pain", in the sense of the pain of being a worthless pos. like legendarily some species of africans, "not worth the whipping".
ben_vulpes: in other constantly increasing costs of cross-referencing all of the inanity all of the time, "'ai' picks up biases from texts on which it's trained"
mircea_popescu: in btc only to immediately turn around and put that behind the usg idiocy du jour.)
mircea_popescu: (no, by no means the first case of "let's take republic wealth and "sell"/give it to usg". our short but rich history is littered with that sort of dorkitude, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Abugpowder to name your poison, which is how "taking investors" ie, allowing outsiders into the wealth even got such a bad name in the first place. the last fucking thing i want is MORE mentally stunted midgits making a profit
a111: Logged on 2016-03-13 21:02 ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
mircea_popescu: "it'd have actually been much better for everyone if http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-13#1431645 ie i had actually kept the bitcoin." is an obvious thing one could say, but whatever.
ben_vulpes: another lesson in ongoing curation of one's wot
a111: 2016-10-22 <znort987> A fresh set of opinions on the topic would be welcome
mod6: I'll write up something and put up the pics somewhere. making thumbnails is a pain in the ass... but will do it anyway.
mod6: In other, less depressing news...
mod6: She went downhill pretty fast over the last 12 weeks, but her suffering is over.
mod6: fwiw, I hope that wasn't a sort of spam for the deedbot.
asciilifeform: also worked great for z-axis zeroing (pick up pipette, then stab at the estimated height of the weighing platform, stepwise, until it registers )
asciilifeform: ( http://www.mt.com/us/en/home/products/Industrial_Weighing_Solutions/AutomPrecision/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/WX_Weigh_Modules/WXS_Weigh_Modules/WXS205SDU15_DualRange_Weighing_Module.html << the machine mentioned in earlier thread re subj. finally found the vendor link. )
mircea_popescu recalls the time su made "bigger" to hide "shittier" behind it.
mircea_popescu: reason us-made balances are larger being that... they're crappier, helps mask it.
asciilifeform: ( prior to buying this little tool, asciilifeform used a... prehistoric su-era hanging balance . y'know, the kind 'lady justice' has . )
asciilifeform: then would make sense.
asciilifeform: the balances sold in american 'head shops' are typically slightly larger than this.
mircea_popescu: looks like the chinese are returning the opium war favours. "here, measure your crack!"
asciilifeform: 20g is too small for the dope aficionados, i imagine
asciilifeform: but it seems to do the job.
asciilifeform: now unlike the $maxint mettler, this thing probably dun have a thermo-compensator; or gravimeter
mircea_popescu: and does the test measure at 10.000 ?
asciilifeform: the weight is a test standard (for some reason the box came with 2, and 1 lives in a dedicated hole in the chassis)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, analytical balances have, apparently, come quite a long way since the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-19#1326780 : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/balance.jpg
mircea_popescu: ve the suicidal reaction to "try and help it", ruining carts and setting the world on fire in the process.
mircea_popescu: anyway, on meditation there's substance to Framedragger 's protest, though perhaps not the sort he'd like. the impulse to "generosity", ie unqualified giving is how people end up in trouble / how the whole mess was engineered in the first place. when you've two oxen yoked to the same cart and one's smaller, sickly and can't pull, some people will naturally have the correct reaction to whip it to death. others will naturaly ha
mircea_popescu: (the link is particularly funny for the amounts. when it comes to turkey dollars, usg is really poor. 40k here, 10k there, 5k overages accounted for --- a far cry from the "we lost one trillion dollars in 100 bills that never existed" dept of war fare.)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ << Trilema - In case you were wondering where all the worthless Nuland drones ended up
trinque: further down named in full
mircea_popescu: well, sincd we're doing linking, http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-protests-carefully-orchestrated-the-role-of-canvas-us-financed-color-revolution-training-group/5369906
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:50 mircea_popescu: not for a fucking second. he is enabling the misbehaviour of 30yo children. i gotta do more work bitchlapping these idiot cunts into the ground because he buys them food and doesn't makle them pay for the shiot they break.
mircea_popescu: o btw, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-05#1155360 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634156 for the record.
mod6: anyway, am now collecting the fg.bin upto 1Gb.
mod6: i may give some other boxen a try here at some point too. got a handfull of gentoo boxes, freebsd, openbsd, etc.
mod6: was the first box i tried.
asciilifeform: where did mod6 get the idea that this was a gentoo-specific thing ?
mod6: the profile i had on that gentoo machine was 'default/linux/amd64/13.0/nomultilib' and i think it was just an uber basic kernel
asciilifeform: why -- ask the wreckers, not me.
mod6: naw, I gave up on gentoo for the time being, and just used a old deb build machine i've got laying around.
asciilifeform: ( i must point out, if it doesn't , you may not get any warning, other than idiot linux kernel silently dropping bytes, e.g. 0x03 )
mod6: on to the advanced tests.
mod6: nice. all of the basic tests passed.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 17:19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642997 << lulzy: http://www.ecsl.cs.sunysb.edu/elibrary/linux/network/udprecv.pdf diligently follows path of recvfrom() and the likes, *quotes the lines around the bug*, but fails to notice anything bad. if you didn't know, it'd be a very nuanced thing showing that the monk is not actually a good monk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the whole point in even having pediwikia -- so that they can have this.
mircea_popescu: oh what the fuck was her name.
asciilifeform: 'Also on #bitcoin-assets, but that place is very toxic. People on #bitcoin-assets probably have info about bitbet.us, but they aren't quite sane, so be careful.' << lolx2
asciilifeform: '...for all the bad rep Mircea Popescu gets (trolling, narcissist and an asshole in general), his websites are trustworthy, never been hacked and works.' << lel
asciilifeform: in other lulz, bitbet.us '...is no more, for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4'
mircea_popescu: who was the anodyne condolezza rice clone that was doing "revolutionizing" ukraina and failed so spectacularily ?
asciilifeform: ( the various 'buried in cement' routers, modems, etc. exhibited in phuctor , say . )
mircea_popescu: end up with the same three herbivores on iphone.
asciilifeform: the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit re pwnholes is that they are a renewable resource: every major version of ~everything introduces a few dozen new ones.
mircea_popescu: no, but they ~obsoleted~ it. the trick is that in physical engineering you are allowed backsies.
mircea_popescu: o, you mean like they obsoleted the only remaining useful us plane without having as much as a proper paper replacement for it ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure that they earnestly see it like this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per the tards' internal logic -- 'we burned the vuln -- we own the tendrils'
mircea_popescu: perhaps it'll be stanford or mit or "another" meaningless head of the same turd of agglomerated stupidity though. for flavour.
mircea_popescu: in any event i am looking forward to the princeton paper providing the original research of "shit we read on #trilema that we came up with ourselves shut up terrorist!!1"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642982 << such lulz that thing. really, looping over the entropy ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 16:56 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642960 <<< yeah, it's quite evidently usg burning one of their few remaining good exploits once they finally figured out it was leaked and used by republican interest.
asciilifeform: it's as reliable as the box it was slaved to, signalled when the bucked filled, to go and empty.
mircea_popescu: well so then what use it is ? as per alfism, not reliable, worse than useless!!1
asciilifeform: (and to store whatever else that dun fit in the standard debug regs)
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's not actually available. i doubt even intewl thing ever worked as advertised (which is the true explanation of the rarity)
mircea_popescu: but basically ctrl-c bt will print out the whole strack, one line per frame. if that's what you wanted ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: nope and nope, intel's thing only works with their shitware
mircea_popescu: dude what are you talking about i/we use gdb all the time to trace
asciilifeform: so of 0 use, unless somebody gets hold of the magic proggy.
asciilifeform: lulzily enough, asciilifeform ~has the box~ -- but 0 software for it, it never leaked. box turned out to contain empty fpga.
asciilifeform: other than with intel's magic probe box.
mircea_popescu: you're not deserving. either of you.
Framedragger: wtf apparently server with xeon cores doesn't support it, either?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't possibly be the first to ever try to search inside a dir of tarballs. srsly, 0 support?!
asciilifeform: and of course it thinks 'single file', it's presently the only known way to grep in a tar.gz.
asciilifeform: there's a recvfrom(...MSG_PEEK...) in apr.
mircea_popescu: trinque that's accurate, actually. "shit improved by the radical communist branch of usg". a sort of "Bitcoin foundation" avant la lettre, "GNu the african antelope".
mircea_popescu: tremble, bitches, because you will end up floating on the fucking river. all of youze.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 01:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
trinque: by now I assume the g prepended means "shit bolted to side"
ben_vulpes: did we ever do the "brain parasite from flushing sinuses with not-entirely-clean-water" thread?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not on running disk, they live on cd somewhere
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they're not plumbing lines. there is such a thing as brain-blood barrier.
mircea_popescu: and then every gcc subsequent.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 15:23 asciilifeform: in other lulz, look which muppet is back in business : https://archive.is/31IH2
a111: Logged on 2017-04-12 21:58 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642660 << i don't use mouthwash, brush and floss once a day (with regular non vibrating brush, and i reuse the floss untill it splits apart or breaks) -- hadn't been to the dentist in over 8 years; went in last year and they tell me my teeth are in great shape considering, although i did have to get some cavities fixed (mostly in wisdom teeth which is expected. and yes i still have my wisdom teeth
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642721 << you mean to tell me that you're culturing some weird population on your floss and then rubbing that all over delicate, highly permeable mucous membranes wired directly to your brain?
mircea_popescu: who knows these things.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i dare not say, it's more of an emergent effect, a piece from one, a piece of another, and you get a log full o' it
Framedragger: "custom shitty udp program" probably fits the bill
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
mircea_popescu run highschool would have pillory for inept mothers, with topless zebra'd milfs there present almost every day.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:36 asciilifeform: also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642845 << that is misunderstood esprit de corps. it's visible when child does something stupid, gets punished for it, and mother shows up at school to protest ~the punishment~. the fact her son does stupid shit does not bother her -- on the contrary, she knows where he got that from, which knowledge fills her of joy and hope for the future. perhaps if she insists the dumb will inherit the ea
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:33 asciilifeform: could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642842 << they misperceive the cost of not saying so ; as well as the cost of saying so. why's girl in highschool not say "i hate these dumbass girls who claim they're my friends and absolutely like you" ? because human nature.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, only glibc etc if "recvfrom" in keywords, you're right. but if only "recv" (https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=recv+.*+MSG_PEEK&page=1), then lots of results
asciilifeform: (if you do, you will have to compile pl2303 into the kernel)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's why i didn't wave around with the result :) yeah need to do more testing for sure.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: nah if you iterate thru pages will be other packages as well
asciilifeform: (depending on how many other ttl dongles you have)
mod6: im using gentoo, having a hard time figuring out which usb device the one. i suspect that it's /dev/tty1 but lsusb doesn't exist on this box.
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14105718 ( https://archive.is/nmX2h ) << witness the unsurprising chorus : 'nobody used it! NOBODY! shuddup terrorist'
asciilifeform: sadly there is no automatic means to discover which of the proggies contain exploitable invocations, other than with hard grindstone sweat (or usg's automated tool!1111)
asciilifeform: now, not all of these invocations are of recv() for udp. most -- tcp.
Framedragger: that makes sense :) circulation is the keyword i suppose
asciilifeform: gotta get the line matches, with context (say, 5 up / 5 down from match.) could qntra it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , trinque , Framedragger , et al : part 2 : the bz2 search : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iJwoo/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary << There's more than one psychological alternative. Why do you automatically go to the worst case?
asciilifeform marvels at the 'respectable kompooter sekoority community' today doing 10,000,001 things, none of them being THIS
asciilifeform: naturally all versions of gcc match ( they gotta, they have the header in'em -- snore )
trinque: aha, asciilifeform, musl defines the flag only, in include/sys/socket.h:262
asciilifeform: Framedragger: not all of the hits are actual real-life invocations
trinque: musl's probably defining the thing in net.h or w/e it was
doppler: if you just want match then it's easy, as you said
asciilifeform: there are also bz2, which i have not tested (zgrep dun work on'em)
asciilifeform: ( zgrep only greps inside the unzipped tar, producing, e.g., '/usr/portage/distfiles/foo.tar.gz:Binary file (standard input) matches' and dun work on bz2 .
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642876 << this is not unlike the "rich man must be sad" trope, could instead take pleasure in the way one keeps his cranial house.
asciilifeform: steadfast liberal voices, regularly siding with vulnerable parties -- the poor, impoverished ... '
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
Framedragger: re manpage, thanks for educating me, as always - yeah ok it's the same thing
asciilifeform: i dun do the a priori thing. ( it may seem that way, because it does not ever take asciilifeform very long to distinguish flies from cutlets. but this comes from experience, and from flies and cutlets generally looking nothing alike. )
asciilifeform: Framedragger: fwiw i read the manpage prior to 'this is liquishit, there is 0 possible justification, it is exactly same as ungetc()'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
Framedragger: also there is an easy habit to slip into by which you start discarding any things a priori. (mp-emulator: that's not a bad thing(tm))
Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
asciilifeform: nope. there never is.
asciilifeform: 'but there's GOTTA be a valid reason!!1'
asciilifeform: still 'crediting the empire', eh, Framedragger .
Framedragger: you read in to a fixed size buffer and then discard info/connection if need be. they're pretending to be 'only reading one byte' but it's the kernel which chops off one byte from the rest of the packet
asciilifeform: does same thing as normal recv(), except for clearing the buffer.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
Framedragger: it saves program-internal memory, but the card itself reads in the data regardless, sure.
asciilifeform: it is the exact equivalent of an older idiocy, ungetc()
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is foolish, you're reading the packet regardless
Framedragger: i guess you could also do `recv(&one_byte_buffer)` and then later `recv(&larger_buffer)`, too; but their use at least makes some sense to me. imho.
Framedragger: it seems to use MSG_PEEK to check info on the connected peer (and drop it if need be), and by using this, it can avoid allocating additional memory to take in whole buffer
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually i can see some rationale. checking that socat source and that line (https://github.com/craSH/socat/blob/master/xio-udp.c#L220), if you check the definition of buff1, it's `char[1]`.
Framedragger: there is that.
Framedragger: can't you use `git blame` to find out the latter?