mircea_popescu: except, gal is also a renowed cook, won contests and shit. so obviously she cooks for the guy, and he likes it and all, but... well... it's not like mom used to make.
mircea_popescu: gal finds guy and falls in love. they get married an' all is well!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw do you know the "just like mom used to make" joke ?
mircea_popescu: i think it's the ever-classical prime-fire mechanism. they go away from home to get horny and then they seek a guy just like home to take care of it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. <- this is the sort of thing I keep noticing and can't yet explain beyond "people basically get homesick - they went abroad for it being rich, not for them not suffering the poor ways at home"
mircea_popescu: human sexuality is possibly the most complex mechanism in all creation.
mircea_popescu also has cousin, went to germany to get married, ended up marrying romanian dude she met on the flight back. dude grew up literally across the hill from her.
mircea_popescu: Creep home, and take your place there, the spent and maimed among ; God grant you find one face there, you loved when all was young.
mircea_popescu: my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this.
Framedragger: funnily this one wasn't british, the latter are usually just plain..boring, man. maybe i can't find ways to excite them. but their minds, blergh
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 << i understand the importance of this question and shall attempt some kind of answer, or will properly fail. bit later (took mdma last night with girl, after ~3 year break. so much love omg.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, make the point that utf is stupid ?
asciilifeform: what'd be, then , the point, actual jpg would almost certainly weigh ~less~ and display moar reliably
mircea_popescu: i got no argument, because the only possible argument would be "need better glyphs". isn't it strange that for all the crazy batshit nonsense including waterguns and whatnot utf put in, there isn't a "255 chars optimized for ascii rendering of stills" ?
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, mp wakes up with the idea he'll do an asciiart post to spite the world. turns out http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1460 and alf had something with his "stills" thing.
mircea_popescu: as a model !!seen mircea_popescu now would yield "<deedbot> mircea_popescu RATE ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well Sat Apr 15 08:25:39 CST 2017" or somesuch. link rather than timestamp would also work well.
mircea_popescu: trinque could deedbot get a !!seen which would return the top line of the last otp the nick in question responded correctly to ?
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord of the Well
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord Scanner
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of shinohai from 2 to 3 << The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare
mircea_popescu: !!rate shinohai 3 The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare
mircea_popescu: (but if anyone in teh esteemed lordship wants to congratulate the three faculty members on doing good work and invite them over, that'd be nice.)
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it as an exercise then .
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's because there's a borisov at urbana" ? "alf likes red" ? what is it. gotta have a theory, even if it turns out to be a wrong theory.
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
asciilifeform: reading the paper -- it worked exactly as you'd expect -- simple deduction.
trinque: got away with a 0.0001 fee for nearly the whole life of deedbot to date. cannot confirm a transaction with less than 0.0005 now.
trinque: I'm kicking the cron back on
trinque: ^ alrighty, got the thing with a suitable fee, works reliably again
ben_vulpes: "vip" rates are "30 us per song with no touching", "ultra vip" rates are "100/10 min and maybe we let you touch something", ben_vulpes rates are "just sit down and tip like normal and we'll writhe all over you for reasons"
ben_vulpes: well from the cause of "i was just watching but okay" and not towards the purpose of "how much for how little"
mircea_popescu: so you save fiddy bux that'd have paid her rent in the time you don't cost the usg 10k ? umm
mircea_popescu: i meant the "how much for how little" thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why squeeze the girls, i don't get it ?
ben_vulpes: i got two of the established girls to clear one of the minor's booths for the three of us this evening! for a whole set! for less than the cost of a single song in the vip room!
mircea_popescu: phf from his 5x comment i gathered it's one of those cheaper joints where they don't make money out of table service and charge per the bj
mircea_popescu: how much for the blowjob ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, this particular club of its own accord mandates bottoms at all times. result is that the dancers are of markedly higher dancing quality than girls in the clubs up the street, charging 5x cover.
ben_vulpes: rather
mircea_popescu: as in bare cunt or as in "this is the designated 2nd underwear we take off"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: commodity pdx strip clubs have an utterly inane rhythm. 3 dances: first sorta-clothed, second no top, third no bottoms.
ben_vulpes: i mean heckle subtly, from the booths. with eyes and conversation.
ben_vulpes: i found the strip club where bottoms stay on and hey what do you know, average dancer expertise is through the roof
ben_vulpes: hey you know what's great fun at the strip club? find the girls whose rodeo this is not their first and heckle the noobs.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643059 << aye, concede. can we move on to the failures of "culturing * populations and rubbing them across the sensitive mucous membranes is a bad idea" now?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:08 mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643932 << this works considerably better for films than for stills . ( the 'why' is exercise for reader )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all << lol, the Mrbigg malware dude's profile pic got fat
mircea_popescu: i really wasn't pursuing any thesis. jus' curious.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues
phf: i'm unprepared to pursue the whys and hows of the field, and there's usually no escaping it with your "idle questions". so i'll just concede, the whole thing is idiotic.
phf: i'm not my brother's keeper!
mircea_popescu: from "the editor"
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm less talented than they.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: you can drop arbitrary objects into a climacs buffer, sorta like the DOM. you can operate on them according to their type, which is what SVG has been trying to do all along
mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately.
mircea_popescu: because there's definitely no fucking difference between "your x.org cant' come up would you like to fiddle with settings see if you can fix it" and "i am not happy with how my computer does oral sex will write a better procedure for it")
mircea_popescu: there's apparently a history of having an "editor" for files ; and an "editor" for internets and yet another editor for debugging the smashed system (mostly used to "develop" or "code"). what again is the rationale ?
mircea_popescu: can anyone explain to me why the "browser" is a different item from this editor btw ?
phf: clime for example shouldn't be global frozen, whether or not you have an emacs to fall back to.
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: people can also figure out how to install emacs if they need to. creating artificial restriction like that ensures that ~you~ while developing get exposed to the kind of annoyances that you should address first.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632244 < people are going to want their emacs configs anyways while they make the transition & there is still a lot of functionality to be stolen from the sources. Also, emacs is an editor, so you can fix CLIM issues while it is frozen, which one could not with a "x11 window".
mircea_popescu: for the record, bums with no income and college degrees living in squalor aren't "participating in a polyamorous lifestyle".
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's somewhat sad how the mainstreamization of "polyamorous" became "i'm too worthless to demand the girl and will use being too poor as an excuse to notice how stupid i am".
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is so hard about making a surgical steel flask rather than obscure zamaks
mircea_popescu: this is the third fucking flask i buy, set some alcohol in, and it rots.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
ben_vulpes: make friends with girls in nursing school is probably the only mitigating strat
ben_vulpes: you pay a shitload of money and then try to never make a claim
mircea_popescu: ah ok then
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they do for healthcare where you live, but swimming is the thing for bad backs like fucking is the thing for pimples.
ben_vulpes: well there's a whole world of coordination i've never really explored
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes go swimming moar bike less. and if you do bike, do 15% inclines rather than long bs.
mircea_popescu: i expect about half are white, unsexed, males in their 30s +- 8 years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they do
mircea_popescu: either that or masturbatory fantasies of an "improved trilema" with "moar freedom" of the "our democracy" type.
mircea_popescu: well maybe the experience of gazing upon the stony face of his father that he never had will promote some personal growth.
asciilifeform: how does '9k wikipedia spelling corrections' appeal, is what i wonder. why not also walk around picking up rubbish from side of the road.
phf: i've met him on another irc channel where he was equally non-contributing to an overall low snr. i was curious if he will maybe step up here, but nope doing exactly the same thing. the whole thing is reminiscent of the catv, a channel full of companioncubes
mircea_popescu: (romanian pun, trading on the difference between jenant ie pathetic and generation ie whatever)
ben_vulpes: i watched some related lols play out with 'poly' friends this year. $girl couldn't bring herself to break it off with her wikipedia editor, $guy didn't offer the platform to which to jump or demand the jump, tension built and $girl doubled down on the socialistoid anxiety production machines to everyone's dismay
mircea_popescu: "i did 9k wikipedia spelling corrections this year" "you mean the year gaping as a hole in your employment history ?" "oh, that's not important. progress! revolution! everything is connected! ubi!"
ben_vulpes: more on the "compulsively answers questions on quora"
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin' is that as batshing insane as it may sound on the face, i have personal experience with the ample supply of "cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game".
mircea_popescu: ah i did ? ok then. /me passes by reference.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu described this, in the 'golden helicopter' thread
mircea_popescu: the slavegirls are rarely solo when we meet. generally they're in a committed relationship / engaged / whatever. about half the time the beta in question is the "graduate student" type who compulsively answers questions on quora etc.
ben_vulpes: who knows if they even read their bouncer's scrollback instead of cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game
mircea_popescu: ah, so let them, what.
ben_vulpes: for as long as randos can join #trilema and lurk they will do so instead of reading the logs
ben_vulpes: doesn't strike me as a "needs" thing. will be a "can" thing for as long as mircea_popescu refrains from turning the lights on and setting +i or whichever arcane fleanode flag
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's the safe and easy space in between "i am a gentoo nerd and have an irc bouncer" and "i am willing to undertake gpg key mgmt as the basis of identity"
mircea_popescu: i have nfi when "i can't commit to existing" became socially acceptable. we used to laugh at the drones who couldn't commit to mariage 30 years ago, then i fell asleep in front of the silver screen post blowjob and i wake up... suddenly it's everywhere.
asciilifeform: was there more to this exchange than visible here ?
asciilifeform: well the original tip from him was re an item that was not indexed by any (afaik) searcher.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far doing the whole "hey guise i can google plox like me" schtick which is getting on my nerves.
asciilifeform: iirc a lurker/reader. was also the d00d who wrote to asciilifeform re the bolix genera thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any other way.
ben_vulpes: b-but mircea_popescu how is one supposed to authenticate to a database server over the webternet?
ben_vulpes: > Are you blind? Don't you see the above logo? It is an indisputable fact that it is a critical vulnerability available on the Internet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think I just got forgetful. Weather's been good for playing in dirt.
asciilifeform: modern chinese gov is smarter than mao's, won't hamhandedly dekulakize, nationalize the mining farms. will instead drive them slightly farther into -ev , and they will simply be sold off to pliant shell corps
Framedragger: hah transcendent sex academy.. so in that realm in the comic, when dude puts transcendentally-ideal penis in vagina.. is that the infamous 'synthetic a priori' act??
mircea_popescu: o wow they got active huh
asciilifeform: davout: from my (admittedly distant) chair, it'd appear that chinese gov strategy was, roughly, 'this bitcoin heresy, let's wait for the americans to kill it, it's the kind of wetwork they specialize in'. and when this failed, now they smell burning flesh, 'looks like gotta do everything ourselves'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: plenty of real estate in western yurop still up for sale. a *lot* of it may crash soon, but 'pockets' of it (e.g., specific places in italy (which in itself may / will crash, depending on your outlook) may be good investment, and they acknowledge that
davout: asciilifeform: they're being forced not to honor IOUs to be very precise
mircea_popescu: works then
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: chinese and other (e.g., south korean) bankers told a dude whom i believe in and who's paying me
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i can hardly picture how it could be any easier, iirc they already de facto own ~all real estate anywhere that is for sale
asciilifeform: if you didn't generate the privkey for it -- it ain't bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you can lift a million in cash off the chinese doing supermarkets offshore for instance, on a few hour's notice.
davout: tell exchanges "don't send them, or else"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does there in fact exist a 'free world' of non-kyctronic fiatola banking ?
mircea_popescu: and in other guides for noobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3d93c7f98cd625c06261e4143016bbbc/tumblr_oc9mfsRLOZ1vrs34so1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: there is htat.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea. << sure you do, people just love easy-to-complete tasks that earn them an "everything's okay" signal from authority. even if that authority consists of a crayon-drawn badge paperclipped to dork's lapel @ supermarket exit.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone deal with the sort of schmucks that do thjat in the first place, i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: "aml/kyc" is for the birds, to be very plain.
asciilifeform: 'failure to collect KYC paperwork for 34 customers, failure to report 9 customers to legal enforcement on suspicions of money laundering, and failure to further interrogate 20 customers, for which the declared wealth allegedly didn't match the transaction volumes.' << lol!
asciilifeform: ( suddenly you have, e.g., an intrinsically-safe (cut the field - cuts the reaction) betavoltaic reactor that fits in pocket, runs on ordinary KCl... )
asciilifeform: btw the 'beta decay can be arbitrarily sped up in magnetic field' throws a bit of new light on just how 'strange, new' a world with roomtemp supercon would be.
asciilifeform: it is not even clear which these are, except in retrospect.
asciilifeform: today - 'trb-i', ciphers of known strength, a few others.
asciilifeform: we had, iirc, a 'problems of the age' thread
mircea_popescu: this "oh, but mp, i'm interested in other things, i'm speshul" is more adlaism bullshit. THERE AREN'T OTHER THINGS.
mircea_popescu: it's self contained. you learn what you need by confronting the things here you don't know.
asciilifeform: ( and if only alphabet. there is a quite serious qualification to meaningfully starting to learn from the l0gz, yes )
asciilifeform: you start with alphabet. which i dun recall being taught here, either
mircea_popescu: there's no self-appointed graduation.
mircea_popescu: you do not start with galois theoryu.
mircea_popescu: See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ is there for a reason. there's NO OTHERR WAY to learn.
mircea_popescu: noobs learning from anything, be it a thief, be it their mother, be it hillary clinton, be it bernstein, be it ANYONE is very harmful to them.
asciilifeform: thread wasn't about 'which one gets into valhalla, maxwell or marconi', however. i specifically assert that n00bs ~learning~ from the thief -- whose achievement is essentially accidental, quite destructive overall to everybody else, and at any rate in no sense ~replicable~ -- vs from the maxwell - is the problem.
mircea_popescu: and i have every intention to credit everything to the first wot person to bring it up, not to the "originator". fuck him. should have had a wot.
mircea_popescu: the overarching point is that technical merit doesn't enter into this.
asciilifeform: woz drew up a 6502 box with slightly reduced glue logic chip count, vs the state of art at the time. about same level of accomplishment as, e.g., fuckgoats.
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: and to hear the inmates, in every asylum - 100 napoleons
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to hear him recount it, he was the maxwell/hertz of job's marconi or some such.
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a divine kingdom of the heavens insulating dumb bitches from their inept choices in locales to get drunk into and badly washed dorks from their inept choices in whom to submit to and what to obey.
asciilifeform: exactly the gates of his time
mircea_popescu: and you know what, that "there wasn't" is scarcely any excuse. why didn't they make it, these MEN ? if they're so respectable and errything.
asciilifeform: no tmsr in '12 either
asciilifeform: rather than today.
mircea_popescu: but today there is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was not a tmsr in '09. bitcoin was quite equivalent, by afaik any possible litmus, to similar crackpotteries which were known then.
mircea_popescu: literally "broken in the ass".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's about what you'd call a twink in english, ie a teenaged gay prostitute. generally applied to the aged variant nobody anymore seriously contemplates paying for.
mircea_popescu: that reason is, "infantile delusion of having been in lab before completing the basic steps ARE NAUGHT BUT INFANTILE DELUSIONS."\
asciilifeform: hanbot: at one point i tried to unearth what rotinculos (other than a portmanteau, presumably, rotten arse) were , and gave up
mircea_popescu: in order for item to go into lab, item must first pass maturity exam. become man as opposed to child. See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ is there for a reason.
mircea_popescu: EVEN if they think it does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the answer can be 'i was in the laboratory, creating the things that the scum later stole'
mircea_popescu: where were you is the first legitimate question.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting. << googled rotinculo definition, got a suggestion of trilema articles to read
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's right now all sorts of ~in their own mind~ important smart useful whatever folk. they're not in the wot, they don't exist, and this inexistence of theirs WILL COUNT AGAINST THEM
asciilifeform: the microshit thing was a civilization-scale disaster, and it continues.
asciilifeform: incidentally, putting up framed pictures of lottery winners, praying at their feet, etc. does nothing per se, is harmless. it is when n00bs begin to try to 'learn' from them, there comes problem.
asciilifeform: 'was scum, but he grabbed the brass ring, where were you' gives you cockroach world.
mircea_popescu: this because "luck" and skill are indistinguishable for the unskilled.
asciilifeform: it is exactly the oak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall naggum's (and then -- our) discussion re how computing was wrecked not so much by microshit per se (which in 1980s was not a mega-power) but by the idiot worship of gates and his lottery winner 'success' ?
mircea_popescu: what, you expect kakobrekla will be remembered for anything other than "oh, the dude who couldn't swing being part of bitbet" ? for what exactly, he's gonna accomplish what in his life to compensate for that failure, cold fucking fusion ?
mircea_popescu: there is no "oh, i was busy with my dick" excuse to explain why couldn't find way out of paper bag.
mircea_popescu: i was simply saying, thr 50 that found the door are definitionally and for that reason alone better than all the others.
mircea_popescu: i was not proposing anything of the sorty.
asciilifeform: likewise i suspect that mircea_popescu's (or, say, mark twain's) positive view of 'good con men' is also 'fata morgana', mirage, con men is not necessarily a 'force of will' ubermensch, he is every bit a creature of the times and the opportunity, the rat crevice in which he finds himself, as is any clinton.
asciilifeform: fundamentally just another sort of pirate40.
mircea_popescu: the sad, dirty secret of humanity is that the very cream of it ain't fit to shine shoes.
mircea_popescu: certainly better than any subhuman africans toiling with the donkeys.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i will say pirate, for all his warts, dpb, fucktarded ustard teen as he was, and the whole rest of the menagerie are better people than pick your pick. obama. hillary. nuland. whatever 5k dickless drones are sitting around wash dc offices reading this now. all of everyone
mircea_popescu: looky, that you don't like what the cream looks like dun excuse you from having to admit. they found it, yes ? definitionally cream.
asciilifeform: ahahaha is this when mircea_popescu will explain that 'pirate is the cream, the ubermensch' ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me assuming that it did attract the very cream of mankind is very safe indeed.
asciilifeform: on other hand, early bitcoin did not exactly attract 'cream of mankind'
mircea_popescu: it's just... people aren't made for this world ; they properly belong in the grave and not perambling ab out.
mircea_popescu: man has a handle that suggests he groks it ; then has government steal his fucking business ; then goes on to... propiose & defend empire.
mircea_popescu: the disappointments to the latter are indeed far reaching. cosnider someone like say death & taxes, http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
asciilifeform: they were willing participants in pyramids, it seems clear to me
mircea_popescu: it was a painful and sad process, being disabused of the notion that average human is capable to tribune (ie, maintain law, complicated discussion i won't go into) via the rota experiment AND the notion that average human is capable to praetor (ie, administer resoruces) via the whole bitcoin finance/investment/profits/etc thing.
asciilifeform: this is why, when reading about the early (1st 3 or so yrs) bitcoin landscape, i found it hard to feel any sympathy for the scamola victims
asciilifeform: the quoted text is hilarious per se : if i say 'invest in this High Thrust antigrav engine, with Extremely Low Energy Cost energy intake' -- everyone will laugh. but if mr.suavetalker offers a 'High Yield Pass Through ... in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group' financial instrument, greedy idiots jump over one another to buy,buy
asciilifeform: a very selected 'they', and - naturally - with fresh printolade
mircea_popescu: they got bailed for it.
mircea_popescu: hey, it is EXACTLY what the usg banking world did.
a111: Logged on 2013-03-20 20:17 pigeons: usagi had 3 different risk profiles for his cdos, and he bought OBSI.HYPT (High Yield Pass Through into secret business model now run away with the money) in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group
asciilifeform: ( most of the chumpatronic 'wonders of the world' in btc seem to have happened prior to asciilifeform tuning in )
mircea_popescu: there was a very talented (also female) scammer early on, made a "fund" called "obsi" something. very soft approach, also quietly disappeared.
ben_vulpes: goes against the whole grain of how those systems work. single accountable individual with life and death power.
mircea_popescu: utter and complete monopoly, no bureaucracy may have the wonder in the future nor ever had it in the past.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643578 << no. AGAIN. large orgs ie your usg.* friends CAN NOT impl;ement this. MPs can implemenrt this, ie men who beat women and keep slaves. they AND THEM ONLY may implement this.
mircea_popescu: yes, some people have others who'd die for them. why the fuck would they let $rando into that club again ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 17:19 Framedragger: yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643576 << and let me guess, i'm supposed to expose this incredibly rare and expensive resource for the benefit of the redditard peons, who don't want to pay for it but DO want to make random claims because hey, gotta make a claim to exist and research of any description is way above their pay grade ?
Framedragger: trinque: didn't understand the reference hm, but (necessarily and totally) yes?..
a111: Logged on 2015-12-10 14:26 asciilifeform: none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle'
trinque: Framedragger: better odds for good outcome in business partnership if you had a preceeding relationship with the guy eh?
trinque was taking the shears to an overly broad statement.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 13:09 mircea_popescu: oh since i'm thinking about it : there's two specific items tmsr wants to bring to the field of probate reform : a) no juridical person beneficiary. no government, ngo, corporation, trust etc may obtain as much as a farthing from any succession. physical persons only. b) no tax or fee of any kind may be levied against succession.
asciilifeform: the collaboration does not pretend to be a living thing on its own, separate from mircea_popescu and asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
trinque would not be the expert
Framedragger: heh re. latter, i'm sure there is ("pay my family suicide-money after my death")
asciilifeform: just like there is no hired suicide belt bomber
asciilifeform: there is no such thing as purchased honesty, Framedragger
asciilifeform: these are typically called wives (and even they do not necessarily work as 'ideal spherical wife in textbook' always.)
Framedragger: yep, the only way this 'may' work if you have a partner whom you fully trust, and the arrangement of which somehow does not involve monetary compensation. which is ~untenable
asciilifeform: there we go.
Framedragger: in consideration, machine + operator having keys is not a good idea and the risk is indeed multiplied. 2-of-2 sig doesn't work if one can do basic arithmetic.
asciilifeform: does scenario where the coins end up permanently parked in graveyard orbit because the operators refuse to move'em count as 'safety' to Framedragger ?!
mircea_popescu: a Framedragger walks into a bar, and the bar goes WHAM!
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is a very basic fallacy at the root of 'multisig thinking', that somehow you can cut up control over a key and give the pieces to a group, which somehow can 'keep the owner honest' but not (why not?) fuck him
trinque: Framedragger: what recourse is there that doesn't involve exposing keys to more than one person, and why is that multiplied risk of absconding more agreeable to you than present circumstances?
mircea_popescu: dutches demanding less than a pig would be workable economcially. but chronical rotinculo/mortidafame who imagine they should get the moon on a golden platter, these aren't economically interesting.
mircea_popescu: there are, more broadly and more sadly, no robotic human or alien solution s available to dealing with the usgtard to his satisfaction. because he's worth less than a pig and demands more than a duchess.
Framedragger: anyway, i won't argue further.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no; neither do they deal with EC backdoors or sun exploding. having a practical but limited-in-scope threat model is not useless in itself.
asciilifeform: there are no sane robotic solutions to this kind of thing.
mircea_popescu: do they deal well with "blackhole" ?
Framedragger: i can think of couple of approaches but i agree that they are not zero-in-cost, so, meh, i concede
mircea_popescu: you know, by the everfriendly usg, for instance.