mod6: the red lines are the first number after "took", so in the case of the example above, ProcessBlock took 2901 milliseconds.
mod6: this is built from this line in the debug.log, for example: "ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 2901ms; db write wait: 313ms; db read wait: 155ms "
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe i'm thick, but where's the per-line timing per block ?
mod6: Thanks to diana_coman for the help with gnuplot!
mod6: I have updated all the statistics, charts, and commentary in place.
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic: My Second Offline Eatblock Sync Test is complete (with DB Read Wait Stats): http://www.mod6.net/eatblock-test/
ben_vulpes: parts of it have an odd feel, as though i were reading altcoin propaganda from another dimension
asciilifeform: ( the digits of pi do not autocorrelate, as far as anybody ever publicly found, in any other way )
asciilifeform: possibly the pi example was a poor one -- no ~automated~ tester, will ever find it, unless specifically made to
asciilifeform: any rng test can be rewritten as a producer of a predictor. or the test is rubbish.
asciilifeform: at least, all of the meaningful ones...
mircea_popescu: not without theoretical merit ; but in practice imponderable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, to take example, if you found a rng that turns out to emit digits of pi -- the proof-of-weakness will be plouffe's algo.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647917 << imho it's the only sane standard. rng 'weakness' can only be expressed properly as a 'predictor'. anything else is 'suggestively named token'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647918 << was quite exactly this idea, but it also had the lisp outputs iirc
asciilifeform: aim is to cap the thing at its current ~1000 ln.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only palpably slow knob is prime-finding
asciilifeform: the usual argument is 'that'd be slow'
asciilifeform: ( in the arithm ops, that is )
asciilifeform: no normalization, either - adding 8kb of zero to another 8kb of zero takes same time as any other possible pair of 8kb bitstrings.
mod6: this is pretty similar to the semi-counterintuitive idea i had been thinking about -- or more probably, was remembering from a previous discussion in here about the same.
jhvh1: shinohai: Arbitrary length integer in Ada - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1309195/arbitrary-length-integer-in-ada>; The Big Number Page: <http://bignumber.chez.com/>; Ada –A Crash Course - VTC - Vermont Technical College: <http://web.vtc.edu/users/pcc09070/TutorialAda/AdaCrash.pdf>
asciilifeform quite enjoyed the ru sphere's name for dieharder, 'умри тяжело'
mod6: heheh. i'll look for the posting
asciilifeform: until somebody suggests a better name, i'ma call this hypothetical method 'die maximally hard'.
asciilifeform: but i haven't the original paper at hand, this is a 20y+ memory.
asciilifeform: described in almost exactly these terms.
asciilifeform: (without a copy of the tester, even.)
asciilifeform: that way you do not have to wonder wtf the particular test consisted of. and can immediately replicate.
asciilifeform: the scalarization of 'weakness' is an absurdity. gotta make this -- specific -- claim.
asciilifeform: this generalization also exposes what exactly the 'minimal sample' is, likewise.
mod6: my second run on the 2nd FG out of my bunch has completed. results here: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run2.txt
jhvh1: trinque: [KJV] Revelation 13:16 :: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
pete_dushenski: sounds like the future fo sho.
pete_dushenski: "With phone sign-in, we’re shifting the security burden from your memory to your device. Just add your account to the Android or iOS Microsoft Authenticator app, then enter your username as usual when signing in somewhere new. Instead of entering your password, you’ll get a notification on your phone. Unlock your phone, tap “Approve”, and you’re in."
pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/kb67L << "Here in the identity division at Microsoft, we don’t like passwords any more than you do! So we’ve been hard at work creating a modern way to sign in that doesn’t require upper and lowercase letters, numbers, a special character, and your favorite emoji."
asciilifeform: 'San Francisco and Santa Clara County, which had asked the judge for an injunction, “have a strong interest in avoiding unconstitutional federal enforcement and the significant budget uncertainty that has resulted from the Order’s broad and threatening language,” the judge wrote, referring to Mr. Trump’s January executive order on immigration.'
asciilifeform: in other magas, https://archive.is/SaZEV >> 'A federal judge in California on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold funding from cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement...'
pete_dushenski: mats: heh quite the kaboom
mircea_popescu: o check it out, you get 60% more worthless shit if you send 10 ethereum than if you send 40.
mircea_popescu: dorks learned ~0 since dotcom bubble burst did they.
mircea_popescu: lol "the sikoba platform"
mats: bonus footage: dog takes a dump at the end
asciilifeform: it isn't as if wf were a company, in the customary sense -- it's a usg organ, like microshit. 'tbtf'
asciilifeform: the best part: 'Fargo CFO John Shrewsberry told 500 senior Wells Fargo execs in a conference call that the scandal would not affect third-quarter earnings "much." '
mircea_popescu: o no, don't tell me... the fiat empire consists principally of dead souls ?! which have bank accounts and facebook accounts and read the new yorker and vote pantsuit ?!
asciilifeform: the 404 is pretty great tho
ben_vulpes: definitely good for the lulzconomy
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/PFvo7 << in other lulz >> 'Multiple shareholders stood and yelled at the board of directors and Chief Executive Tim Sloan. The shareholders were angry about the bank's creation of as many as 2.1 million phony accounts in customers' names.'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 13:21 mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 14:11 mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: these are very different from euro variety.
mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some dork using a variety of 104.192.3. ips has been hitting trilema (POST to xmlrpc.php, of course) for what, six months now ? total fucking tards, do 10 requests per second for hundreds of days straight with no results whatsoever and keep at it.
asciilifeform: because phuctor's includes only such keys as were successfully eaten by the parser
mats: asciilifeform: wot analysis and identifying weirdness that pgp will accept but ordinarily silently discard some aspect (wrappers i've looked at don't use verbose flag during import) , ie, a subkey binding like the hpa key
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 13:18 mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647801 << i'ma publish another db dump later today, you can use that .
mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
shinohai add "Macaque training camps" to the list of necessary items .....
asciilifeform: then again, band of macaques could probably rob a train of disarmed, 'respectable' office plankton, with 0 effort
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647781 << eh, pedo's just chasing headlines for the next "wikipedia is free and no advertising" advertising drive.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647776 << can anyone invite them here ? they're evidently in need of a little guidance.
mircea_popescu: after being defeated in the middle east pentagon actually figures it'll just move ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/UfvDj >> 'Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing'
mod6: nevermind building numbers or whatever, just go north three screens through the lost woods, west one screen, north one screen, then burn the 3rd bush from the right to find the entrance.
phf: one of those by the books 90s хакер но НЕ путайте с крекер, потому что хакер изначально blah blah blah people. i thought they all died out
ben_vulpes: why bother to get in bed with the actual power structure when you can just proclaim yourself first biggest best and disrupt them from the outside
ben_vulpes: perhaps some day i shall relate the saga of the stillborn "PICOC", or "Portland Independent Chamber of Commerce" or "Californians Attempting to Carve Themselves a Slice of Relevancy by Advertising Their Seriously Cutting-Edge Aid to the Poor Programs"
phf: yeap, i missed the "tech solidarity" thing so i was surprised by the strong "march for science!1" angle, and yes also regulate.
mod6: shinohai: sure will do. it's just the eatblock test. once it's complete, i'll re-run all of the charts & metrics
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: portrait of the artist as a young trotsky
Framedragger: i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/echos-of-the-great-again-france-pits-moderate-populist-against-hard-left-socialist-in-general-election/ << Qntra - Echos Of The Great Again: France Pits Moderate Populist Against Hard Left Socialist In General Election
mircea_popescu: (they are passive-agressively yakking of "Corruption", of course, which is a major heading in the wikitardia entry on thailand but not, say, the us, or uk, or any other actually corrupt shitholes.)
mircea_popescu: somehow very gingerly unmentioned in the list of rice-clinton successes.
mircea_popescu: usg tried agent orange, thing went poorly, reached some heights of lulz ("the government is completely functional except it is meeting in a secret location" while usg.protestors were overrunning abandoned airport terminals etc cca 2012) and then military org took over in 2014 and that's that for nato-istan in thailand.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the thing here is that the concept, if not the particular implementation, is actually very interesting.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
mircea_popescu: specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-09#823434 came after intel completed internal review of the thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647706 << since we're on it, re the dating, i'll attest that while this may have been first publication, it was certainly discussed privately for 6-12 months prior.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up
Framedragger: (but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: deliberately playing idiot ? or is the difference between a proof (e.g. euclid's) and a conjecture (rsa) not apparent to Framedragger ?
Framedragger: (i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke)
mircea_popescu: this you opted to discuss in "objective" terms, which whatever, you then later decided you don't want to discuss. fine. but the question was why doesn't ~he~ so claim.
asciilifeform: we discusses the ~fundamental~ problem with monero's signature scheme.
mircea_popescu: the original question was, that since you seemed to either imply or embrace the thesis that ~he~ so defaults, you are then at liberty to explain the observed datapoint where he does not.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
Framedragger: so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!"
Framedragger: i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man.
Framedragger: you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff)
Framedragger: (it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))?
pete_dushenski: also run moar #artdao http://archive.is/Sq9db << basically a way for js engineers to put even more starving artists out of work. man, it's stiff competition at the bottom
shinohai: pete_dushenski: running V with no arguments gives the version number
pete_dushenski: the vtron version question is a good one. how do i check again ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << you probably have the old (ie, expired) version of the key.
asciilifeform: ('even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig' means that you have up-to-date key ( asciilifeform removed the expir date of his mod this year ) but not an updated v-wot. )
mod6: now why you saw the INVALID seal message im not too sure. could be you have a stale key of his, or perhaps the seal wasn't quite named correctly.
mod6: In the new version, if a vpatch doesn't have *ALL* antecedents present in the flow, it is dropped on the floor.
mod6: If you're using V (99994) the reason that you won't see it in the flow is because it needs to be reground: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hu0ab/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Have you tried to refer to them with different pronouns in an effort to appease them? Maybe instead of "tron" they prefer "tractor" or "dragonbane"
mircea_popescu: and in other alternatives, http://68.media.tumblr.com/57de99cc50612b337a98f70b95ed1d38/tumblr_ool91z0fO61tdngbdo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: In other news, Carfentanil seems to be the culprit in substance not named opiate cases per Qntra's "Sophostic Trendalitics"(TM)(R)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the process would benefit teh extant swedes immensely. clearly they've no business around anyway.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo who the fuck wants syrian children anyways. << Tyrone wants what he wants
asciilifeform: the old saying was, iirc, 'usa will fight the sov army, to the last drop of blood of the last swede'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's practically like knocking retarded kid upside the head by now. oh, his mommy told him he can do anything he wants!111
a111: Logged on 2017-04-23 08:29 mircea_popescu: "With at least one quarter of Mosul still under Islamic State control, it is too soon to uncover the full story of the liberation of western Mosul." orly ? i guess what he means is "with the isis army being outnumbered 10:1 and it still managing to inflict blistering, humiliating if regular tactical defeats on the ill prepared, bumbling invading force, it becomes clear that the only victors in the engagement were the so calle
mircea_popescu: the notion that usg-alike drones are "soldiers" is just as laughable today as it always was. chickens, not men, to be slaughtered as such.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo who the fuck wants syrian children anyways.
mircea_popescu: dudes cost the usg more than any engagement since vietnam cost it. this puts them above the chechens, as far as successful unalligned powers go.
mircea_popescu: "With at least one quarter of Mosul still under Islamic State control, it is too soon to uncover the full story of the liberation of western Mosul." orly ? i guess what he means is "with the isis army being outnumbered 10:1 and it still managing to inflict blistering, humiliating if regular tactical defeats on the ill prepared, bumbling invading force, it becomes clear that the only victors in the engagement were the so calle
mats: https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/defeat-by-annihilation-mobility-and-attrition-in-the-islamic-states-defense-of-mosul
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform knows answer. but does the reader? puzzle ! )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'The Source <source@491362F1.info>; Lucian Solaris <LucianSolaris@gmail.com>; 7C492C5B491362F1 <491362F1@hackinfotech.org>; '
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, trump's tv scripts crew is engineering a "100th day govt shutdown". reality has over fiction the enduring advantage that fiction can't be this fucking ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, capitalism + democracy = houses big enough to not need cleaning.
mircea_popescu: one of the lulzier downtails of "bigger is better" and "better is anything you wish it to be".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu at one point had article where 'there are people who labour under belief that if they could get a big enough house, they will never have to clean it' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: imo the exact same drive is behind "let's build ai to make friends" and "let's make use of the higher transistor count to reflexivitize the cpu". it's a sort of triumf des willens all of its own.
asciilifeform: tumour is this thing for which no size is the correct size.
asciilifeform: much of the mechanical complexity of 'c machine' is items like tlb cache, and page tables in general, and mechanisms for saving arbitrary state -- to give each process the illusion of independently occupying a 1980s-style 'personal comp'
asciilifeform: the 'reflexive' liquishit is implicit in 'let's let every fungus write programs'
mircea_popescu: none of this "processor watching the processor process" bs.
asciilifeform: in the sense that they were ~engineered objects~ rather than piles of fungal liquishit -- yes.
mircea_popescu: it worked at the time specifically because early micros were a lot closer to signal processors than to cpus.
asciilifeform: and somehow survive, e.g., winblows (and other multiprocess crapolade)
mircea_popescu: there's also that yes.
asciilifeform: the folx with the blinkers got correctness largely 'for free', and carried on thinking that this could continue
asciilifeform: not wrong, but not the complete story;
mircea_popescu: in fact, a lot of the issues of software today can be traced to that early "can this machine do nice light blinkers?!?!"
mircea_popescu: yes but this is not a particularly cogent argument becausae the people writing for the video effects don't particularily care about corectness.
asciilifeform: was addressing the 'may as well write whole proggy in c' strictly.
mircea_popescu: whereas the "define screensized memory object, do bit toggles on it, flip it into video range" was exemplified by just about any early 90s product, take your pick.
mircea_popescu: i know of no one who in practice showed this theory of yours.
asciilifeform: specifically no. it was really a good (if unintentional) lesson in how to optimize ~properly~ - i.e. the part that actually ~demands~ the massage.
mircea_popescu: draw the page as a memory area and flip it into the video buffer zone was the state of the art iirc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-23#1647521 << we had same class, with ye olde turbopascal also. inline asm did the trick -- whatever graphical effect you want.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-23 02:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s.
mircea_popescu: it's not marmalade in any sense. ro notion of marmalade is, no sugar added, plum generally, if you make it thin it's the basis for alcohol (that's how you make tuica, from distilling fermented thin plum marmalade) and if you make it thick it's a sweet.
Framedragger: (and scottish add deep fried mars bars to the diet)
mircea_popescu: ya but it's not the same, as evidenced by the fact that as a 10 yo i could eat a proper sized jar of say apricot jam (800g) but barely made it through a small (240g) jar of dulceata de piersici.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hah! well, i don't know any colloquial / actually local words for this other than the (generic boring), you know, "jam".
mircea_popescu: kitten walks by, i'm like hey, you know this is good for the face ?! proceed to wipe my hands all over her mug. she stumbles to the bathroom flailing about, eyes closed. then five minutes later... "hey her face is really good!"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, /me is cleaning up mangoes (holy shit it's mango season, you can not imagine) to go into this fabulous mango-pineapple ... not sure how you'd call it in english, "conserve" i guess. eeuropean thing, stiff sweet whole fruit preserve.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 23:35 Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647496 << had terrible video libs at the time this was all happening (mp's hs cs class was in pascal, for instance). so kids who were bright hated it because couldn't make little amiga-like platformers on their 386s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe a large part of the iss research is very much in the vein of "mp's private whore spending time in brothel -- she's not there to learn how to make money with her cunt, but to acclimate herself mentally and physically to the taxing environment."
ben_vulpes: and i'm pretty sure that we did the tightly-coupled gps+imu+kalman filter thread before
ben_vulpes: the only hard part of gps + rocket is maintaining lock under g's
mats: the systems described above are used in the f-35, but shipboard versions exist, ie, AN/SPY-1, AN/SPY-3
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645317 << this was an experimental place, after doing more traditional club with table service, which i'm honestly not good at. it was a frat bar, and 3 of us had thursday which typically was really slow night, bar % and door. so we had a chance to build up various gimmicks, and see how they play out. i was good at that. at height the take home was about 2k each, which is way low compared to a club, but really go
Framedragger: i actually never got to know what the major issue with pascal was. (i mean, as long as you're teaching imperative programming..)
a111: Logged on 2014-04-15 18:34 asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
Framedragger: shinohai: that's the thing, this'd actually be somewhat consistent :D and possibly less of a waste of time
asciilifeform: 'When Roberts came to Stanford in 1990, CS106A was still taught in Pascal, a programming language he described as not “clean.” The department adopted the C language in 1992.'
shinohai: If I don't haz to go to class, then I need not know what class is :D
Framedragger: i will claim that for all the free burning-in-hell credits that java has honourably accrued, it is at least somewhat of a programming language. at least you learn what a fucking type is. JS is something like a 24/7 d0pe weed smoking experience in class (unoriginal redundant repetitions are redundant, but still...)
phf: ocial impact their work can have.
phf: “adapting to industry shifts and student feedback, the computer science department has implemented various changes to its introductory courses, CS106 and CS107. This spring, a pilot version of CS106A, tentatively called CS106J, will be taught in Javascript instead of Java. Meanwhile, CS106S: “Programming Abstractions and Social Good” is being offered as a standalone class for the first time this winter, encouraging students to consider the s
asciilifeform: liquishit that doesn't pass the laugh test.
asciilifeform: also BingoBoingo on second thought i disrecommend this type of trap : stiff trigger. ( asciilifeform now has film of vermin happily munching from the traps )
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/22/how-to-be-tbtf-the-microsoft-way/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How to be TBTF the Microsoft way.
mircea_popescu: the problem with research is that it's not a reasonable activity from accounting pow.
asciilifeform: (rather, -$maxint ev )
mircea_popescu: but alf! the humanity! and its "our goals" of cooperation ands etc!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647441 << the iss imploding would be quite equivalent to 10,001 'head start' kindergartens burning to the ground, with inmates & crew inside
asciilifeform: ( that and whatever rf the enemy is dumb enough to helpfully emit from point source )
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 17:48 mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647439 << modern rocket (incl. winged rocket, e.g. the very same 'tomahawk' ) track terrain.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-17 05:41 mircea_popescu: so yes, there is ONE possibly useful application of a military railgun : making the deep space interdictor. but this is slight.
mircea_popescu: the correct method of jamming gps is the space age equivalent of the 45 magnum round. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556262
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647432 << see l0gz re correct method of jamming gps (hint : from the air, usg spent $maxint on directional noise-subtractor ; and OMFG not from point source )
ben_vulpes: open sea not friendly either.
mircea_popescu: by and large, if there's a gps there's not a war and vice-versa. they're entirely and without remainder mutually exclusive.
mircea_popescu: and that's also why all the expenditure on maps and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's why things like the guided missile yest use direct sighting etc.
mircea_popescu: the russian thing may survive slightly longer because it is a later, better design with some concern shown to this problem ; and because the americans are inept and ineffectual. but it's iffy.
ben_vulpes: that'll be the end of orbital access as well.
mircea_popescu: there ISN'T GOING TO BE a gps.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes its amusing to me to see all the usgistani youtube rarararing (a fine example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej_aLJpFYo ) deeply rely on satellites. fact : large scale involvement with either russia or china will contain the end of satellites as the very first step.
shinohai: Nah, they are artistic photos, meant to capture the melancholy and precarious situation the rodents find themselves in, teetering on the brink of life and death in a cold, unforgiving attic.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... ) << Pretty sure this is part of the criteria for being rodent
asciilifeform: ( the airgun film from youtube linked earlier was interesting imho, in re how rodents will happily climb on top of a pile of corpses of their fellows and sit there, chewing whatever snack... )
shinohai: asciilifeform strikes me as the type that will leave vermin carcass on a pike as a warning to the others ....
asciilifeform: ah, rat poison. nope, and it is specifically not what i need here, i have 0 use for dead rodents in walls, between ceilings, had this at old flat and f--- would not do again. they gotta pay for their crimes on designated scaffolds, on designated chopping blocks.
shinohai: /http://archive.is/JBLBv "Microsoft wants to bring data and machine intelligence closer together"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/terror-in-their-hearts-syrian-refugees-settled-in-north-saint-louis-seek-new-refugee-status-due-to-neighbourhood-violence/ << Qntra - "Terror In Their Hearts" Syrian Refugees Settled In North Saint Louis Seek New Refugee Status Due To Neighbourhood Violence
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/plastc-crowdfunded-credit-card-of-the-futures-goes-sfyl/ << Qntra - Plastc – Crowdfunded "Credit Card Of The Futures" Goes SFYL
mircea_popescu: you're still applying yourself to the wrong problems.
mircea_popescu: the argument of irrelevancy is not as to isolation. it is as to irrelevancy. if the modernist delusion of "hi i can of myself and by myself choose what problems to apply myself to" rots one's brain, the result isn't necessarily a loner ; but what difference does that make ?
Framedragger: (but then, maybe that's only the presented impression. there is that closet smell, yeah.)
mircea_popescu: if you wait in a closet long enough, a) all problems resolve themselves eventually and b) your real life will start by itself also. because this is something people can do, decide what problems to apply themselves to and when to condescend to call their daily activity by that lofty name of "my life".
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 14:10 Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647389 << best i can tell, he suffers from the "maybe i won't have to do any laundry after all" geek disease.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 12:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org
a111: Logged on 2017-04-22 05:13 ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay
Framedragger: maybe he has an allergy, who knows these things
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder why the d00d ain't here.
Framedragger: re. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05f-two-plus-two.html, heh tbh i expected him to delve into some biazarro scheme which would have a weird additive property (not just an if-then rule), disappoint
Framedragger: re the tarpit, ooh a blog written in CL with sane commenting system (yet to be seen, of course) sounds interesting enough
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 05:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << yes, goes by spyked on trilema ; bright undergrad and then grad at the bucharest politechnic (which still is a fine technical school, though it was better pre-democracy).
asciilifeform: in other noose, l. mogosanu ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633021 ) has new bl0g -- http://thetarpit.org
TomServo: mod6: Sadly neither. I need to make time to wrap my head around dumpblock.
ben_vulpes: i gather i should be impressed that the us can hit a ship under full steam with guided ordinance
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell shinohai http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/#comment-94914
BingoBoingo: As is all of the "nobody could have forseen" that ISIS does
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah but what they really want is pixar movies about inclusiveness and to behave.
ben_vulpes: may your hirstute frame hold the horde at bay
BingoBoingo: I AM THE ONE WHO IS HAIRY.
ben_vulpes: if the us could still glass places, perhaps i'd not despise it so
ben_vulpes: embrace the imminent hairy rape, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: gotta skim through their book. It's basically ad copy for ISIS. Incites feeling that the proper sane foreign policy to handle the middle east is wall building and enticing a greater idiot to occasionally hurl missiles over there when the mohammadeans get aggressive beyond their station.
BingoBoingo: Back to this Koran bsns... It sure talks about jihad a lot... Have any of these SJW's (i.e. moldylocks the haircunt) actually read the other SJW's (Scary Jihad Warrior's) book?
shinohai: Mauve has the most RAM remember.
asciilifeform: 'sneeze into the sack' (tm)(r)