mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask if he wants to check out the FUCKGOATS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shoot the guy an email ?
asciilifeform: ^ fact. ( recall the original jwz thread ? )
asciilifeform: 'This is great news, I can't send emails from my new super awesome secure email server to anyone with a Microsoft email account because they just return it. The story is pretty similar across the board with the email either being returned or put straight in the spam folder of the recipient. I tried against GMail and a few other large providers and found that not one of them made it to the inbox anywhere. After I got a few emails boun
asciilifeform: he standard screws in the bottom to confirm my initial suspicion.'
asciilifeform: 'Now, as soon as I looked at this device I already had a really bad feeling. First of all, through the vent holes on the top I could see that the PCB inside took up ~25% of the footprint of the device, the case was considerably larger than the PCB inside it, which seemed odd. Second, the MAC address on the bottom looked familiar, really familiar. Putting that little thought to the back of my mind I cracked open the case by removing t
asciilifeform: ^ the tardano makers -- never sleep!111
mircea_popescu: "old woman" == "female sapiens expected to have found her master prior to the moment of speech".
mircea_popescu: it says something about the context in which the car finds itself ~whether it wants to or not~.
mircea_popescu: just like "expensive car" does not mean something about the car.
mircea_popescu: the "old" in "old woman" does not describe the physical woman in question. it describes her chances of successful interaction with the lordship.
mircea_popescu: then what's left ?
mircea_popescu: would you describe them as "young women" ie "girls" ?
asciilifeform: these dun look old tho
mircea_popescu had recently pic of african shaman fatties on the very trilema.
asciilifeform: dun prove anything, either way. if mircea_popescu tells me that they exist -- i'ma believe.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on this : egypt is, for the arab world, a sort of holywood/bolywood. it is where the official tv arabic is spoken on the street, and it is where every flea bitten hussy aims to go. fulla sudanese hotties just like burbank is fulla kansas ra ra fuck ma a'.
asciilifeform: ( the barnum circus co, incidentally, apparently is closing down for good, quite soon. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you need something to judge on. otherwise what you're saying is "on the basis of all the dogs i've seen, elephant is as canine as caniche", ie, http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#footnote_10_71892
asciilifeform: i haven't yet been to pripyat, either; or to fukushima; or to st. quentin prison; etc.
mircea_popescu: (harlequinism ie harlequin-type ichthyosis, a frightening disease of the body mirroring the sad state of anal child's mind)
mircea_popescu: then on what scent did you train your heuristicdog!
mircea_popescu: always have. that's the backbone of africa, culturally.
asciilifeform: even lowliest 'redditor' looks down at what he thinks are the yet-scummier redditus.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 15:42 mircea_popescu: and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648477 << i dun think this 'equality' nonsense exists, or ever existed, as anything other than a ~professed~ belief among the rotters. nobody actually buys it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the difference between physicist and physiciatrian is currently made by ~how~ they introduce the models.
asciilifeform: the basic sin of the orc and 'human' jujuist are the same. just as, e.g., murder committed with a wooden club is exactly as murderous as with death ray; or scam pulled with 'shell game' is just as scammy as with derivatives.
asciilifeform: granted asciilifeform is not a pro voodoo priest, but imho, e.g., black–scholes, or the 'standard model' of physics, are equally 'juju', and equally divorced from physical reality, and far more destructively so than some orc derp praying to a moloch made from old tin cans in some mournful shithole
mircea_popescu: and to not put to fine a point on it : white culture ~WHICH MEANS~ human culture entirely rests on the notion that some are inferior. things, people, ideas, methods, etcetera. this is the underpinning of "european heritage" or whatever you wish to call it : the notion of inferioritate altrui.
mircea_popescu: ie, the "results-oriented culture" applies strictly to a subset of possible things. you'll compare two doctors on the basis of whether their techniques work, but a shaman is not included nor can be included in the proceedings.
mircea_popescu: i don't so much care whether the goldman sachs attempt worked or didn't work. i very much care that juju worship be socially unacceptable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the earlier point - there's a very strong line dividing the case where "your idea will never work, but you can have an A anyway" because obviously you can't write a functional description of business but nevertheless that should not stop you from trying ; and "your idea if you can call it that means you can never get anything other than an F no matter what you do", because apparently you separated from human cultur
mircea_popescu: lmao england is such a shit hole these days
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/mathilde-the-ant-or-mathilde-the-data-processing-system-at-your-option-with-extras-either-way/ << Trilema - Mathilde the ant or Mathilde the Data Processing System, at your option. With extras either way.
mircea_popescu: seeing how the only graduation paper i reviewed was "entrepreneurship as a succession of pictures of faces" as opposed to "entrepreneurship modeled as a banach algebra"...
mircea_popescu: the distinction can readily be made on whether it is acceptable or not acceptable to "not be good with numbers", for which the "responsibility" courses are a great proxy.
mircea_popescu: their relative interplay describes exceedingly well the degree of rot in the society the business school represents : if the girls are submissive and very warmly and wetly thankful for being allowed to go there it's type A, if they figure they run the place it's type B.
mircea_popescu: in my experience there's two major demographics interested in the business school, one being kids who could master physics but do not wish to because they'd much rather live with a half dozen whores than with a labful of mice ; the other being girlies who could not actually master poledance who figure they should not have to try anwyay and live out their whole lives as mediocre strippers because reasons ("i'm smart! everyone
mircea_popescu: i expect the cr business ~students~ insist, because by the looks of them they REALLY need the easy credits.
lobbes: I wonder if CR businezz schools also force their students to take 'environmental responsibility' courses like in usia
scriba: Logged on 2017-04-27: [02:14:22] * mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ?
mircea_popescu: i guess i reconstructed the http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170427/from:34/to:46#34 format on the basis of logs.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so how do i get the interval set up in your logotron ? i clicked on a date and got the #34 added. but the dot is not clickable so i can't close the interval. wut do ?
mod6: It's one of those things, kinda neat/pretty, but a huge PITA for driving and other activities.
mod6: ah good, slept well for the first time in what seems like weeks.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 23:44 mircea_popescu: "My own experience here is depressing nobody, not even the smartest folks, is willing to read anything unless they came specifically to read. If they came for any other purpose, forget it. When you're a tutorial, you can tell things to people and they listen. When you're an error message, people read you to the extent necessary to make you go away but no further. And when you're a warning, people simply ignore you. It suc
mircea_popescu also likes BingoBoingo tax piece. he's shaped himself into quite the gazette's editor, hasn't he!
mircea_popescu: the world of the future is, girl hopes to be taken in by someone 3 links removed from a lord, and the boy is euthanised at birth.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 13:45 asciilifeform: in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648429 << somehow they're married to this idea that people will continue interacting with the apes. i have no idea why this is so deeply entrenched, but let's just say it's entirely nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 03:50 trinque: far cry from that guy's "the left is willing to crack heads, unlike the right"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648419 >> lol rank nonsense. the left is willing to talk about how it's just as good as the right.
asciilifeform: 'He recruited a former hedge fund salesman named Kyle Ferguson as co-founder and launched Wags Lending, thinking dog leases would mark just the first step in a vertically integrated pet-financing company that would eventually include food deliveries, chew-toy subscriptions, and veterinary loans. Then their point-of-sale lease financing became a hit, and they decided to double down on it.'
asciilifeform: in not-quite-noose, https://archive.is/6deIg >> 'When I take a good hard look at what the world will be like in 10 years, I think most things are going to be on lease'
trinque: behold, mother, we have... disrupted part of a parade about flowers or something.
trinque: this fits my pet caricature of the antifa folks just fine.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://www.oregonlive.com/rosefest/index.ssf/2017/04/organizers_cancel_82nd_avenue.html >> '"You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely," the anonymous email said, telling organizers they could cancel the Republican group's registration or else face action from protesters. "This is non-negotiable."'
asciilifeform: it'll make sense when you read the code.
asciilifeform: the unspoken corollary, is that sometimes there is ~no~ speed-critical component. at which point you can optimize for something else entirely.
mod6: "We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil. Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%"
mod6: i think there's a knuth quote somewhere about know where the 3% of the code is that is performance-significant 'optimize that, not everything'.
mod6: will cross that bridge when we get to it. many other bridges ahead of it anyway.
mod6: was considering something of the same. but maybe it's not nearly as hard to get trbi or whatever we have under load; just hook it up, see what happens.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/trump-unveils-plans-for-massive-tax-cut-benefiting-the-working-poor-in-us/ << Qntra - Trump Unveils Plans For Massive Tax Cut Benefiting The Working Poor In US
mircea_popescu: BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO INFLATION!!!
mod6: trinque: werd. and from what I can tell, because of the nursing unions etc, they basically run the place now.
BingoBoingo: $400/mo apartment is possible in City of Chicago, then not really again until you go to the south pole of Illinois
mod6: that was the only time that I needed to give someone a piece of my mind.
mod6: i stayed pretty pro throughout the entire affair, actually.
BingoBoingo: 80k is mostly inflated by Chicago where the cost of living is in line with the rest of the state but for some reason state employees generally get 10-20k a year more for "cost of living"
mircea_popescu: dude, and srsly the inflation is single digit ?
mod6: but not until i basically lost my marbles about the whole thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When the teachers stopped retiring because muh pension and the union "length of service" raises kept happening
mod6: actually, so 7 were horrible. one helped me get my mom into the charity hospice.
mod6: ugh, the social worker cretins.
mircea_popescu: what, 10k a month ? when the fuck did that happen
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is, the problem with it is that 10% or less of the payola is paid out as bezzle usd ; the remaineder 90% or more is paid out as pats on the back, empty and baseless congratulatory verbiage and generally speaking psychotronic noise.
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as dog, 100 years ago; your dog got cancer? you take it out and shoot the poor thing.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kinda the problem with all the makework positions, "teachers", "daycare specialists" and on it goes. << If the "makework" doesn't include lift and move materials as needed for paying customers it's more welfare
mircea_popescu: there's basically this large-is (~14%) subset of population with no certain skillset and vastly inflated impression of self-importance.
mod6: these people will not go unaccounted for.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "nursing profession" much like the various other "social science" experts, social workers etc are about as qualified as their weight in earthworms. << it was the social workers that were the ones who raised questions on us, after countless conversations about post-hospital care.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, i think they're on top of that. pretty sure i saw pet hospice advertised.
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem with all the makework positions, "teachers", "daycare specialists" and on it goes.
mod6: you know the damnable misery of the whole thing? i woudln't have let my dog go through the same suffering.
mircea_popescu: "nursing profession" much like the various other "social science" experts, social workers etc are about as qualified as their weight in earthworms.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the nursing profession's ineptitude was enabled by the unhealthy relationship my mom's sister has with human mortality
asciilifeform: mod6: 1 day of wasting away in cheapo hospital costs 5k, and y'know why? it's so that the lizards can get your house, supposing you owned one.
BingoBoingo: Also hospital had morning and evening visits with physical and occupational therapists. Patriarch managed to get back to walking ~100 ish feet. First day at nursing facility somehow collarbone was broken and no narcotics were administered for days because "bad for recovery". Yes narcotics are bad for recovery generally, but also 91 years old is 91 years old and entire right side brain ischemia is entire right side brain ischemia.
mircea_popescu: there is also that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can always 'get terrifying deals if they know you', even from penguins in antarctica.
mircea_popescu: i will note that chicago is terrible market, badly developed. las vegas is hugely oversupplied, you can get terrifying deals (if they know you)
BingoBoingo: mod6: The hospital did have the alarms, but they were SILENT in the patient room for sanity promotion reasons.
mircea_popescu: 500sqft being larger than about half of the "apartments" "engineers" dwell in, at that.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, lesson from the story is get terminal in small town with excellent Catholic hospital and have the good luck to die before discharge.
mod6: punched one in the face.
mod6: BingoBoingo: sounds familiar. my mom hated the alarms. she set them off one day, few days before she died, and fought two young nurses over it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the peninsula is ready to give you teh grand deluxe room at 500/night. half price for a whole month. call them.
mod6: Anyway, i shake my head. I mentioned it during the whole thing a month or so ago. It was total chaos at best.
mircea_popescu: and they wanna tell me one sixth of a fat woman and some moldy upholstery is "market competitive" ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 20k a week gets you the penthouse at the taj mahal + your personal dozen hookers.
mod6: mircea_popescu: we got uber lucky. that's the point. you shound't have to get lucky when something like this happens.
mod6: and then it's like something like $5k a week for room/board after that + medical expenses.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> yeah, the hospital. << Grandpa had to move from hospital with excellent rehab program and pallative care to "speciallist" rehabilitation nursing facility, and the day he made the move was when his post-stroke decline became unrecoverable.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear it's actuallyh on the mend, was significantly worse cca 2000s, but anyway.
mod6: but man, $5k up front to walk in the door for any non-free place.
mod6: but if it wasn't for that! then what?
mod6: anyway, it never came to anything, because then we got her into a charity hospice.
trinque: adult incapable of self-care belongs to either gutter or own family
mod6: she had 4 days fully covered. and about 40% of the other three days... mind, she was only at home for 20 days.
trinque: well that's the whole thing, as I see it
mircea_popescu: kinda says it's own sad story about the state of postindustrial world, this.
mod6: they then turned around on us and tried to get the state involved saying that we were being neglectful of a vulnerable adult.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure it's the profit, prolly shortage of specialist beds.
mod6: that's not the problem.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the idea being that they're in the business of treating, gotta be treatin' or not there.
mod6: the entire thing i went through in the last 90 days just affirms to me how truly fucked up this shit is.
mircea_popescu: do hookers pay their own way ? subquestion : i know this woman who pays a dude to rent from her, and also has to suck him off. is she paying her way ?
mod6: yeah, the hospital.
mircea_popescu: who counts the paying ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: aha, just the color of "medical necessity"
mircea_popescu: the hospital you mean ?
mod6: they made us take her home when we said that we were not going to treat her cancer.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Other traditional solution is "making comfortable" where narcotics perscribed for pain increases in steps until amount is incompatible with life
mod6: they were all like. "OMG SHE DOESN"T HAVE 24 HOUR CARE AT HOME?!?!?"
trinque: if they're not still paying own way
trinque: whatever else, the old/infirm without question belong to whatever next of kin
mircea_popescu: mod6 afaik the white man custom is, doctor prescribes whole month of sedatives, she accidentally takes them.
mod6: i'd have killed her myself if they'd let me.
mod6: it recently felt pretty fucking awful to watch my mom wither away infront of my eyes while suffering. not allowed to die, she doesn't have permission.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 02:14 mod6: trinque: well, whatever the impetus, it still beats "you must suffer because you can't self-terminate. life is precious(tm)"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648229 << folx were cashing in their chips long before 'legal', the 'reform' is about something very much else. see above.
mircea_popescu: what else are they good for ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 02:13 trinque: mod6: yeah but the "right to die" thing grows out of trying to cut socialist costs
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648225 << organ market. the belgian scum admitted to it quite recently.
mod6: mircea_popescu: just reckless beyond all comprehension. quite interesting times, these are.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: I'd say publish for now on personal blog, will republish on new site when I get the kinks out.
mircea_popescu: white man used to have a literate culture built atop a capitalist society etcetera etcetera. the fucking africans have won, it's all gone by now.
mircea_popescu: "these here bears have the fighting spirit, i want to be great warrior, i worship bear totem"
mircea_popescu: his project was a loose talk on the topic of "entrepreneurialness as a sport", and it was through and through pre-literare juju worship.
mircea_popescu: he had a succession of slides (uncredited) depicting mostly obscure sportsmen and singers. he wanted to know what the audience thought they had in common.
mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ?
mod6: trinque: well, whatever the impetus, it still beats "you must suffer because you can't self-terminate. life is precious(tm)"
BingoBoingo: shinohai: About how long until a live site spins up? Some agriCulture news is dropping tomorrow and Qntra isn't the right venue. Can go on personal blog if the journal is not yet publishing, but... content will be available if the venue exists.
mircea_popescu: basically the talktards have managed to give away EVERY.SINGLE.GAIN of three centuries of industrialization.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's just... outside of extremely exceptional cases, the bar for trust needed to hire someone far exceeds the bar of trust needed to have them live with your other girls. it's just nonsense like that.
trinque: mod6: yeah but the "right to die" thing grows out of trying to cut socialist costs
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, certainly seems to be headed in the direction like your #eulora log link earlier.
trinque: or selling the most trivial of "tech" (read: some fuckin website)
mod6: none of this is limited to Oregon. At least they have their heads screwed on straight with "Right-to-Die" or whatever.
mod6: yah, we see this type of feckless, coercive shit everwhere you look these days
BingoBoingo: I dun think anyone gave Oregon as it presently exists much hope for much mercy when The Great Again comes
mod6: now there is only "hope it implodes"
mod6: the chance for honest reform came and went at least 20 years ago. probably more like 40.
mod6: i mean, i had a recent foray into all kinds of nonsense since my mom got sick. the whole thing is just ... b0rk3d. fubar.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has all the makings of adventure
shinohai: http://archive.is/oub2t "Järlström is now suing the state board .... arguing that it's unconstitutional to prevent someone from doing math without the government's permission"
mircea_popescu: he's pessimistic about big red warnings, i'm pessimistic about the ~possiblity~ of an english-language culture.
mircea_popescu: ks to be a warning. People also don't expect things to be complicated enough to warrant a tutorial, so they won't allocate time specifically to read one, on any topic, for any reason. They're wrong, of course, but they won't ever find that out, to the best extent of their abilities."
mircea_popescu: "My own experience here is depressing nobody, not even the smartest folks, is willing to read anything unless they came specifically to read. If they came for any other purpose, forget it. When you're a tutorial, you can tell things to people and they listen. When you're an error message, people read you to the extent necessary to make you go away but no further. And when you're a warning, people simply ignore you. It suc
asciilifeform: unless subj concerned a stolen/otherwise 'with legs' item. which is possible, i have nfi.
asciilifeform: it'd appear to follow trivially from the noose item ( why would ant sabotage ~own~ iron. )
asciilifeform: imho biggest surprise is that there still is such a thing as a not fully vertically-integrated mining op.
mircea_popescu: now imagine instead of "false" it actually wanted the time signed.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 21:12 asciilifeform: 'backdoor allows Bitmain to shut off a large section of the global hashrate (estimated to be at up to 70% of all mining equipment). It can also be used to directly target specific machines or customers.'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 16:57 asciilifeform: voip.istanbuldc.com << this and 1,001 other voip crapolades. gotta wonder why usg is so fixated on voice telephony.
pete_dushenski: pete_dushenski: it'd be more surprising if it were the only backdoor. like ferrari factory authorised odometer rollback (this recently too!) would be surprising if it were only sketchy business practice that $RACE engaged in.
shinohai: If burned in barged, what ensures complete combustion so the remaining fats don't seep into the water supply and pollute ?
BingoBoingo: No, only solution is force the obest to slow cremations on manure pile.
BingoBoingo: Aha, yes. This keeps happening enough that the only final solution here is refusing service. This must be driven by insurers unless Obama care has perverted the meaning of insurance in the post-health industry too.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-19 03:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 500 lb. body causes fire at Henrico crematory << one time i spent an evening reading cremator manuals (for no particular reason. happened to stroll by a modern crematory on evening walk in new street, was curious.) every manufacturer has special instructions for the peculiarly fat 'clients.'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski et al : there is no particular reason to suppose that subj is the ~only~ back door, also.
shinohai goes to shithub to see what else might actually be in there
shinohai: Apparently there is remote code execution exploitation in this backdoor as well: "unexploitable out-of-buffer read access in if(strstr(rec,"false")) as rec may not be zero-ended if 1024 bytes are received."
pete_dushenski: "Even without Bitmain being malicious, the API is unauthenticated and would allow any MITM, DNS or domain hijack to shutdown Antminers globally. Additionally the domain in question DNS is hosted by Cloudflare making it trivially subjected to government orders and state control.
asciilifeform: 'backdoor allows Bitmain to shut off a large section of the global hashrate (estimated to be at up to 70% of all mining equipment). It can also be used to directly target specific machines or customers.'
asciilifeform: for ze l0gz: 'The firmware checks-in with a central service randomly every 1 to 11 minutes. Each check-in transmits the Antminer serial number, MAC address and IP address. Bitmain can use this check-in data to cross check against customer sales and delivery records making it personally identifiable. The remote service can then return "false" which will stop the miner from mining.'
shinohai: haha I was searching for that tidbit in the logs asciilifeform, thought you had said this previously.
pete_dushenski: "* The Sponsor intends to direct up to one-third of the Annual Fee, for the first three years of the Trust's operations, towards initiatives that support development, marketing, and community activities of the Ethereum Classic Network."
a111: Logged on 2014-07-08 23:48 asciilifeform: if you can arrange for, say, the entire crop of 'bfl' units to spin their wheels fruitlessly during known time intervals, your own miners (presumably exempt) can be scheduled to run then and precisely then
a111: Logged on 2014-07-08 23:51 asciilifeform: if you can stop all miners but yours - for a given interval - you can plunder blocks at far below the expected energy cost
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/yzAMq << "Grayscale Investments plans to launch the first-ever private fund focused on ethereum classic"
asciilifeform: <pankkake> if I knew there would be goatse, I would have bought earlier
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo I have another one in limbo
asciilifeform: voip.istanbuldc.com << this and 1,001 other voip crapolades. gotta wonder why usg is so fixated on voice telephony.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Korean Bitcoin Exchange Yapizon Loses 3,831 BTC Due To Hack'
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: phf functions with any runtime that average about the interval PER CALL show up all over the place.
phf: valgrind i take it from what asciilifeform is saying instruments the code, in an equivalent of putting printf after every statement
phf: gprof interrupts the program every few ms and saves the backtrace, the whole family is called "sampling profilers" because it only knows of functions that it saw during the interrupt. functions with runtime < interrupt ms show up with wrong estimates
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-04-26 15:22:21: <mircea_popescu> puts the whole "only fate of average mankind is harem slavery" rhetoric quite into focus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doesn't simulate cpu -- read the src/docs
mircea_popescu: and gprof is just not useful, with the sampling and etc.
mircea_popescu: if you're interested in either gprof or valgrind's callgrind, or both or whatever, his thing is useful. but i'm not. specifically because bitcoin is too large and slow to be run on valgrind-simulated cpu, and moreover if we could do that we wouldn't have any of the problems we currently approach anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not saying there is ; i am saying i don't care for either method of profiling he discusses for this usecase.
mircea_popescu: in other DOH, "people who write bad code will misuse profilers also" ~yosefk.
mircea_popescu: awk oneliner may not be available, but in point of fact "find the lines" is a ~solved problem, even for borland ide.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point still remains, the way to do this is printf time&line each line.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, if they keep talking about it as if someone does, certainly someone one day will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, either approach discussed is ridiculous. i don't need valgrind to emulate a processor and then guess how long things' take ; i don't want gprof's sampling either. just awk the codebase to add a printf after each instruction spitting out time and recompile. that's it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol "like they did with etc".
mircea_popescu: no, i expect something more along the lines of http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/ ; ie providing they somehow landed in they'd identify a situation according to their own mental furnishings, which'd have nothing much to do with the actual situation, then proceed to "Strategize" on that basis and the girls would toy with her for as long as that's funny before chewing her up and spitting her out.
shinohai: I'm rather willing to bet 99% of these "dommes" would be flipped in an instant on arrival to mp's harem.
mircea_popescu: if the academia scam weren't there to extract the ones with iq > room temp from "street lyfe", we'd be stuck fishing this end of the lulz pond rather than campuses.
mircea_popescu: then those who do lord it over the ones who don't, irrespective of how they had ~no merit in it, then those who don't get frustrated and double down their efforts because hey, it's personal now, and that's how women judge their self worth, and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: and "it works" because IT HAS TO, because hey, americans, wholly brain rotten, "can do anything". and if you can you must and therefore let's claim and nobody'll give us the lie because everyone's in the same rut.
mircea_popescu: so... let's offer the... service of... doing what we wanted to do anyway. this is a business proposition, now.
mircea_popescu: the whole "findom" business is a rather funny comment on female behaviour and the nature of the human brain. so out of all the services freeranged cunt could provide to substitute the wife in man's daily economy, "taking his paycheck" is certainly the least useful. but then again as far as the woman's concerned, it's why she got married in the first place.
shinohai: But yes, pretend makes up majority of shitposts in attempt to make themselves appear in demand.
shinohai: The whole of their twitter empire is an illusion, not that I care how much they lie as long as *my* payment is forthcoming.
mircea_popescu: basicallty, their method is lie();
shinohai: I dunno yet for sure, seems each of the greedy bitches has a different method. I'm sure eventually I can automate this too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imbecile somehow missed the point that last reverted "upgrade" got "majority" within a week.
shinohai: Nope, the findom girls do tho.
shinohai: Most of the girls won't answer their DM's unless sent > $20 fee. Answering these emails for select ladies could be profitable for me if they'd only pay in Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: reminds me of the dream i just woke up from -- where i found a way to send a bit backwards in time
mircea_popescu: also, ask her for me how does she know to open "the ones with $" without reading the rest.
mod6: ah, herp. missed that part about the statics & musl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the d00d is quite correct in his description of the mechanism. gprof doesn't work in the obvious, sane way ( a mechanized version of what i did -- per-routine timer ) but using randomized sampling.
mircea_popescu: (for the record, his "proper fixation" quote is opaque. fixation is generally used in medicine, but histopathology branch thereof, to denote preparation of microscope slides. if he means "tying up the person", i'd guess that'd be proper affixation or something (not really affixation, that's a grammar term of art), though it's entirely disused.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for one thing, the yossi kreinin piece doesn't EVEN USE an actual program. and this "let's imagine" fluff is pretty much peak data in this "field" of "cultured folks". naimean ?
mod6: will start looking into that. no reason why I cant set that up and do another run.
mod6: aha, ok thanks for the info alf.
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's not that many published large codebase sort of thing. in fact, this may be the largest ever.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 12:15 asciilifeform: this is easy to get, but he ouhta read http://yosefk.com/blog/how-profilers-lie-the-cases-of-gprof-and-kcachegrind.html first.
asciilifeform: and fwiw i did not use gprof when i determined where to put the timer -- i used an actually clueful initial hypothesis, and an outer timer ( on ProcessBlock, which was the item of interest ) to compare the output of various inner ones against.
asciilifeform: this is easy to get, but he ouhta read http://yosefk.com/blog/how-profilers-lie-the-cases-of-gprof-and-kcachegrind.html first.
mod6: but, in any case, I could work on further analysis like that, mircea_popescu
mod6: sure. i missed that point completely - was just putting some stats together from alf's timer/odometer vpatches. i think something along the lines of what you're referring to takes deeper, or much more extensive instrumentation / profiling.
mircea_popescu: kinda give a time heatmap for the whole codebase, as it were.
mircea_popescu: what i was looking for was, supposing the whole of trb looks like : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/YOK7i/?raw=true then something like : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qGO07/?raw=true
mod6: It wouldn't take much more effort to add the AcceptBlock values into the trb_offline_eatblock.png if that's wanted.