mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649667 << bwahaha. apparently it occurs to no-one that by the time merit washing requires them "seasoned cryptographers" and "security researchers" BY THE ROOMFULL, and anonymously, the actual value of either symbol isn't very much anymore nor can be.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 04:46 mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649775 << come to think of it, this is rather remarkable a quote, enacting as it is teh republic as the ~only antifa available. "for the individual against the state and for the state only inasmuch as it identifies with the individual"
mircea_popescu: you can verify this sort of anti-property directly every time someone publishes one of these bs studies and actually forgets to scrub all the data.
mircea_popescu: i bet you that, to use your numbers, the 6"5 cohort in your study composes a lesser section of "the ceos" than the 6"4 cohort.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649659 << the principal problem with this "multivariate regression" bs-chasing is that desirable traits almost never correlate with marginal traits. it may be true that intelligent (more to the point, "successful"-juju) people are ~taller than~ average population. however, the outer edges of tallness will not contain the outer edges of good-juju, and vice-versa. to make the point practical,
mircea_popescu: (the principal driver for large penii is female sluttery ; there is no such thing as "the naiton of africa" and there's black or ~black people living from brazil to india. there's no homogenity of female sluttery in everyone's history and so...)
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the flattering aspects -- my cock is actually quite normal. the theory whereby black dudes have huge cocks is ~false.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:25 asciilifeform: it worx great; done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649658 << no, actually. ~black chick wanted to know if my penis is really big ; i told her it's normal. she later saw it and her comment was "oh that's not normal!!1" (her english is approximative. other girl chuckled at the implicationz.)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:21 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649645 << "ego dissolution" requires stuff like you know, being too lazy to be able to maintain one / too dumb to even want to have one. works fine but on the idle byproducts of comfortable white man's sexual practices.
mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.")
mircea_popescu: "liberal political views" are actually out and out fascism (which is different from nazism). compare and contrast "everything is connected man" karmauniverseblabla with http://trilema.com/2013/sex-in-the-news/#selection-105.0-105.213
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649641 << i know this is nonsense the moment it fails to correctly identify hippy-ism/hipsterism as the principal authoritarian ideology left.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649640 << this is very much the land of cool birds.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean the latter's not reviewable.
mircea_popescu: (the foregoing is also, if you're following the score, the principal argument of liberals (who, in practice, often end up very radical right wing, individual rights people) against the death penalty : since it is at least in principle possible that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, it is infinitely better to put the guilty in stocks in the basement than to throw them from a moving airplane. the later's reviewable.)
mircea_popescu: it's true that the failure is never (at least to date) permanent, but that dun seem dispositive.
mircea_popescu: but this phenomenon exists whereby girl ends up in trouble for reasons which, upon later examination, turn out to not actually exist. that the whole thing was actually a misunderstanding is proof positive the entire system fits in no one's head : not in mine, who misunderstood what was going on, not in the girl;s herself, who, confronted with the misunderstanding, failed to identify what to say to dispel it.
mircea_popescu: the saving grace is that they ~very much do not want to~ be bad. machines don't care.
mircea_popescu: the whole "don't fuck up or i'll beat you" mechanism exists ~specifically because~ the whole array doesn;t fit in my (or anyone's) head.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649528 << it is avoidable as a matter of fact. i have by now built an item that is too complex to fit in my head. i call it $harem for convenience, but it's a set of girls who do things on the basis of rules which they were at some point in their girly youth illo tempore been beaten / screamed at for.
mats: think he ported linux kernel to their chipset but no record of anything else
mats: hpa, paul allen, too. my impression is he didn't really do anything besides lend his minor celebrity to the org
mats: i remember reading about it years after the fact, 'brightest minds' working on it and so on
asciilifeform: i'd naively suppose that there are more 'cyrix' left in operation today than 'transmeta'.
mats: the provided answer was - first test for Intel CPU with CPUID (so you don't trigger f00f) and then for anything GenuineIntel, run it and check for undefined opcode exception
mats: allegedly some non-intel CPUs lied in CPUID, and some had MSRs to address but others didn't - some bios would set the MSR bit, and others wouldn't even when it was available
asciilifeform: mats: run it and see if trap? like any other oddball instr?
mats: relatedly - a trivia q i didn't know the answer to, until it was shared - what is the proper way to test for support for the cmpxchg8b instruction?
phf: probably not. unless there's a djvu archive somewhere of "доклады академии наук ссср"
asciilifeform: i bet most of these were simply never scanned.
phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
asciilifeform: observe also the 'mux', it is fundamental building block for nonbranching ops.
asciilifeform: phf: you will notice, i also 'de-optimized' some of the arithmetical functions, to help clarity.
asciilifeform: anyway the pdf loads.
asciilifeform: phf: egyptian algo is , afaik, the simplest that's at all practical
phf: which i think should be considered a kind of upper bound (this is the most naive algo, without making it intentionally retarded)
pete_dushenski: in other walls, https://www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/
asciilifeform: ( for the given purpose )
phf: asciilifeform: thanks for the ada updates, i was reading knuth's book 3 on arbitrary precision multiplication, so you're 20 steps ahead of me
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
asciilifeform was once sent, as 'industrial' non-talking delegate, to a lavish usg-hosted gathering of 'seasoned cryptographers'. it was mega-circus, iirc i described it in old thread.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura. << Hey, thanks to "Real World" cryptographers you too can walk the street wearing privacy invisible pants
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: one wonders what the attendees were seasoned with. salt ? paprika ? a dash of lemon zest ?
asciilifeform: 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so... << Fortune 500 usually rides on inertia rather than continued interest of founder in concern
asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: your wisdom of the streets knows no bounds :p
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: depends on the co.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this distinction hasn't been noted within individuals so much as between them. same as per this study afaict.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: elaborate. what, they were entirely sane prior, and heiled clitler there ever after the dose ??
BingoBoingo: In the bung hole
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, asc also rather wasteful for large files.
trinque: danielpbarron: looks like that one can't make it through with the current code.
mircea_popescu: iirc the "response bots" also.
mircea_popescu: there are some items that have charge on yu
asciilifeform: and let's imagine that mircea_popescu found remotely-detonatable mine in his mercedes, and astonished to learn that it was part of the ~factory~ standard kit, and answer from vendor was 'this was, ummm, here, umm, in case someone were to STEAL your auto, believe'
mircea_popescu: hey, i am not defending their contortions, i am speaking as to fact.
mircea_popescu: "operator" ie, kid actually on the grounds.
asciilifeform: 'hijacked by the operator' lolwat?!!
pete_dushenski: "This feature was intended to allow the owners of Antminer to remotely shut down their miners that may have been stolen or hijacked by their hosting service provider, and to also provide law enforcement agencies with more tracking information in such cases. We never intended to use this feature on any Antminer without authorization from its owner."
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/unVPU << related (antbleed - bitmain). " We planned to add this feature to the code to empower customers to control their miners which often times can be hosted outside their premises. This was after more than one incident of miners being stolen from a mining farm or being hijacked by the operator of the mining farm"
asciilifeform: ( and to keep in mind that there live man more liars than lunatics )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for starters, gotta question the sanity of anybody publicly claiming to mine.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a funnysituation this, miners just can't stick to mining. gotta gravitate towards the flame. so what if ~only thing flame does is burn butterflies.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
asciilifeform: but what you ~cannot~ do is to perform an operation in ~other people's heads~.
asciilifeform: the meaningful subset of 'key revocation' consists of solely those operations which you can do ~in your head~
mircea_popescu: well, as conclusive as it gets. see the gossipd design document comment section.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
asciilifeform: we definitely had the 'key revocation' thread.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: they were already using a scheme which was supposed to protect it, but broke the spec, and implemented poorly. i don't remember but it's probably fixable without migrating to snakeoil or whatever framework
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't think the discussion about say gossipd station keys vs 'main key' was necessarily finished? i realise that it ain't pretty
mircea_popescu: so basically if master key annuls a key it is thereby annulled ?
asciilifeform: why you would not also type the 'master' key ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: describe, in this hypothetical, how my station key was stolen.
Framedragger: no, wait, it's *you* who lost the key, not bob.
mircea_popescu: "this woman is not the woman i married"
Framedragger: the idea is that your key was not stolen while attacker had root access to your box.
asciilifeform: ... or the thief
Framedragger: i do not believe in "single key" thing. there is main-key. but you can have station keys. which can't format hdd. that's slippery slope
Framedragger: it's not an algo, i was referring to a possible fix of a further bad-thing that happens when key stolen. bad-thing is: once your key stolen, attacker (in that broken tox scheme) can impersonate as *anyone* *to* you.
Framedragger: no, there is no such thing, i said it's social. but hold on:
asciilifeform: describe, for my enlightenment, the actual algo contemplated, Framedragger
Framedragger: it's not deterministic, it's not guaranteed, it's pretty crap, yes, but given the option?..
asciilifeform: has Framedragger finally discovered the ancient dream of riaa, the magical bits that tattle when copies ?
trinque just surfing the republican vortex
asciilifeform: there is no longer ~a~ you, once enemy has your privkey.
asciilifeform: any pretense to the contrary is fundamentally dishonest.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:25 Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649519 << somebody with your key, in fact ~is~ you. just the same as if he had killed, skinned you, and put on your skin.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the first step, as the quitting drinkin' folx say, 'is to realize that you have a problem'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:24 asciilifeform: for instance, p code is required to first thing put on the stack 1) how many p-instrs are permitted 2) how many bits wide the fixints are
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:14 asciilifeform: the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649507 << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the only thing planned on top is a finite-step rpn calculator thing.
trinque: I remember the church derps used to say things like "there's a god-shaped hole in everyone". The homoeroticism of that aside, does appear that there's a "metaphysical domination" shaped hole in most folks. looks like this when nobody in your land bothers to stick it in.
Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
asciilifeform: and in the end, 'We acknowledge that the issue exists and will work towards fixing it. ... I will say this very clearly once again: there is an avoidable security flaw in the Tox handshake. This is not something someone made up. The effect is that if your secret key is stolen, an attacker can impersonate anyone to you. We will fix this issue, most likely by adopting Noise for handshakes.'
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps Tox doesn't care about this, or about many of the threat models that modern AKEs are designed to protect against, in which case, probably it's fine to continue using your homebrewed crypto. But if you actually desire some kind of high assurance security, I strongly recommend not building your own protocols and instead use something designed by an educated expert, such as Noise.' << lol , schneier never dies.
asciilifeform: the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649464 << gotta understand the principle : if martians landed tonight, and fixed, somehow, all of the bugs in openssl, and god signed off that there are no more -- openssl will STILL be a turd, because does not fit in head !
ben_vulpes hands Framedragger the cap, nose
Framedragger: maybe 'tis my function, the forum clown :p
trinque: nor ignorant in general, but ever wanting to think the best of people, eh?
mircea_popescu: (predict : i know what it will do in the future ; understand : i know what it is doing now ; recover : i separated it from what it did in the past.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well, you're right, damn. looking at list of thing signal gives though, it's just clean functions for doing crypto. i dunno. i think in the case of tox, its crypto may actually map well to noise, in the sense of them being able to just use stuff that noise provides, and not reimplement same shit in broken fashion
mircea_popescu: but to return upstack : if i can't enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can't predict, understand or recover. this is rational.
mircea_popescu: even more directly : every kid who ever tried maintaining a machine, be it linux, bsd, anything, knows very directly the problem with this framework thing. apt-get is guess what ? a package framework. what's its principal function on anyone's machine ? that it imports packages you a) didn't want or need and b) turned out vulnerable.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: even then, yes, explosion of statespace, sure
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don't know re framework, i do think they just abused a term (which isn't a great signal)
mircea_popescu: if your protocol is, for the sake of this argument, a state machine with about 150k states, and then the "framework" is a further state machine with about a half million or so states, your protocol framework escapes security as a fundamental property of it.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649427 << got some needed hardware to pick up at the post office tomorrow, and a bunch of code to deploy to it, then testing.
mircea_popescu: abstraction has this cost, that if i have to maintain AB i spend twice the time if i maintained an A and a B.
mircea_popescu: let's revisit the early cs classes. if you have state machine A, with 4 states, and state machine B, with 5 states, the composed mechanism AB has... 20 states.
mircea_popescu: because nobody actually looked at all the edge cases, on the assumption that they were only generated through the interplay of idle abstraction and will "never be encountered in practice"
Framedragger: (you can use more general methods which abstract away the internals)
Framedragger: the fact that interfaces implement literal crap in the case of openssl is of course not the best advertising for a simile...
mircea_popescu: the... what ?
Framedragger: yesyes, many issues, sure. and in regards to openssl, you know what i meant, the interfaces that the openssl library exports to its operators
Framedragger: makes sense to have core building blocks. i see protocol framework here in the sense of openssl being a protocol framework
mircea_popescu: and who's going to cover the edge case interplay three feet deep ?
Framedragger: i think by 'you can create protocol' they meant a high degree of abstraction kind of protocol. e.g. stateless or stateful transport security, etc.
mircea_popescu: (at least that's what i parse the words to mean, framework = "standard with a lot of user serviceable knobs")
mircea_popescu: either you have a protocol standard, or else you have more prototyping work to do.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : when a fundamental problem is well understood enough to approach conclusively, and yet the approach eschews creating a standard in favour of preserving choice, the signal is that the problem was NOT actually understood enough.
mircea_popescu: even if we don't consider practical experience (hey, automake tried to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on the theoretical aspect
mircea_popescu: does it not seem to you that a protocol framework (ie, some sort of method for "creating" or "tailoring" protocols) is broken in the head ?
Framedragger actually went on their channel (whichever it was, they have like tox-talk and -dev and just tox or sth) to see if any clever people. yes, one iphy (also on ##crypto) understood that (1) it was an issue and (2) these other 'core member' fuckwits were destroying any goodwill
Framedragger: this one recent time, an actually decent outside person reported a fixable vuln in their craptography https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649251 << as the case currency stands with regards to tox, the saddest thing about it is not its pos code, pos design (i think there are some attempts to have a design?), but that some arguably should-know-better smart people are sinking time into it
mircea_popescu: yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
trinque: I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don't mind the archivng) but eventually it's going to need to either deplete the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along those lines
ben_vulpes: it's a real site watching me haul my broken carcass out of the muscle car
mircea_popescu: some people end up with dual char mode because no chinese support in the default.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 22:36 danielpbarron: what is the proper way to deed such an item? clearsign the sha512sum ?
trinque: the pipe on this box is not unmetered.
asciilifeform: ( and various other useful things )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: otherwise your feature request is noted and I'll have to do something about eating bigger files
trinque: I've seen both "I hate taking baths" and "holy shit there are zero acceptable men in my wot" variants
mircea_popescu: is that good for the anarchy within ?
trinque: danielpbarron: I always take "anarchist chick" as "I have daddy problems omg look at me breaking the rules"
Framedragger: meh. if i was told out of the blue like that, i may respond the same :) (contra is of course "ignorance is not an excuse")
ben_vulpes: self-admitted enemy of the republic is a new one, gotta citation on hand danielpbarron ?
ben_vulpes: theeeere it is
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 4 to -4 << Stupid harlot, segwit shill, self-admitted enemy of the republic
ben_vulpes: but digesting other people's abstractions distracted me
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any thoughts towards the agriCltural Supremacy Challenge
Framedragger: it's the ultimate zoo, what can i say
Framedragger: you can view <pre> as a content/semantic tag, and 'style' would be 'shit in css'. i mean, if we truly believed in content/form separation on the web
asciilifeform: but if you don't know how to style correctly -- then, yes, don't.
asciilifeform: ( imho -- i'd much rather have everything monospace, if could only have one. )
BingoBoingo: Seriously, the correct answer is to not style web text.
asciilifeform: the characters TOUCH. it is physically painful to read.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i must confess -- the font on your www is barely readable on my boxes. gloms horizontally.
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/a-brief-foray-into-the-swamp-of-trb-boost-usage << CH - A Brief Foray Into The Swamp of TRB Boost Usage
lobbes: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/28/trump-presidency-easier-previous-life-237728?cmpid=sf << In other lulz, Trump starts coming to grips with his being 70 years old
mircea_popescu: sure. but it dun mean they're ~needed~.
mircea_popescu: electricity is not actually serving you, much like the idea of "stand on tiptoes to see better at ball game" doesn't actually serve you.
BingoBoingo: Or Jewidgets, however the spelling works out
mircea_popescu: but it's exactly the same as the rent market : yes, you sell more jujidgets but guess what ? so does everyone else. so now you HAVE TO sell more jujidgets.
mircea_popescu: truth be told you don't actually need, or for that matter want, electricity to juju worship. be a lot happier with a coupla tubers rather than all this unmanageable complexity
mircea_popescu: in other electricities, "La exmujer de un oligarca comparte su secreto para ganar dinero en Internet..."
BingoBoingo: The only people really served by mass electrification are marketers
mircea_popescu: to my shock the answer's not quite as directly obvious as one'd like.
mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
asciilifeform: and it happens long before it hits the c.
asciilifeform: enough of the 'subkeys', 'endorsers', embedded photo (yes, makes for multi-100kB pubkeys) liquishit, devil knows what else.
asciilifeform: mod6: aha, the shitfest gotta die.
mircea_popescu: in any case it should have been, it's ancient, dude keeps signing others with it etc. "strong set" as they call it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely possible that it wasn't in the orig sks dump
shinohai: Tox: "Please use our mailing lists or the Reddit forums for general user support. "
mircea_popescu: and this is symptomatic of the sheer confusion OF EVERYTHING these fuckwits live in. "Personally, I will only sign keys if I have done at least casual checking or very careful checking. I will not sign a key if I have not verified the ownership of the key. This weakens the Web of Trust." and then eats up weak hashes and government paper. because why the fuck not, PERFECTLY coherent with his "careful" stance.
mircea_popescu: 1. let's make "government issued id" the underpinning of the pgp web of trust, because totally, what could be better or above the fiat empire du jour ; 2. key ids. because really.
mircea_popescu: aaron toponce (goes by eightyeight in that chat) has possibly the lulziest "gpg key signing" item i saw : https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
mircea_popescu: as that's the only soul he's got.
mircea_popescu: if i one day actually wish to entertain adolescentine farts about "qc" or such nonsense ima just invite for dinner any of the bois oogling my women from a safe distance.
mircea_popescu: in other news : ##crypto did 530/738 lines as join/part spam Apr 27 13:21:01 to Apr 27 21:26:05. the remainder 208 lines were 90% of the material and about 450% of the signal us. i think asciilifeform 's evaluation prevails.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, idea of the project is that any lord who enjoys this recreation has ready opportunity to demonstrate their ability to dominate wherever they decide to turn their focus if they so choose
BingoBoingo: But when the farmers harvest the corn and the now hungry stinkbugs come, using nerve agents against them is fair
mircea_popescu: i couldn't even bring myself to salt the slugs.
BingoBoingo: At some point tomatoe grows to the point where it takes a substantial number of pests to be a problem. Anyways usually soapy water usually suffocates them and suds are generally safe for naked girlies
mircea_popescu: yeah, just, eg never bothered to kill those guys.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there is also that. Not necessarily incompatible, naked girls can also kneel in dirt to pick the bounty.
mircea_popescu: naked girls kneeling in the dirt and such,
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fairness i was never serious about it in the productive sense, more like an enjoyable passtime.
mod6: the mn statefair has some /large/ specimens
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Persistent pest everywhere, some are defeated by soaps, others carbaryl
mod6: BingoBoingo: oh yeah, my tomatoes do well. i did 22 plants 2 years ago, 10 last year. im most fond of the cherries & romas.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the pest on the tomatoe leaf looks like some sort of scale insect of which there are many
mircea_popescu: they have an onion festival.
mircea_popescu: you know they don't do that here ;/
BingoBoingo: Sweet corn and summer squash are other good candidates to consider, Lords are advised to consult their county fair's premium book to guide crop selection.
BingoBoingo: We had an inch and a half of rain Wednesday night and are looking at 5 inches over the weekend, so the Beefmaster was copiously fed in anticipation
mircea_popescu: growing epic tomatoes is possibly the most accessible gardening.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ? << lol. last year, I got 1 out of like 3-4 plants. it looked more like a purple carrot.
BingoBoingo: I do remember the artichokes
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-botanica/ << these are artichoke babies. they grew up great.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell shinohai http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << This will offer content to feed your TMSR Journal Of Whoreticulture, pls to consider accelerating your timeline for the venue opening
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/04/27/introducing-the-tmsr-agricultural-supremacy-project/ << Bingo Blog - Introducing the TMSR agriCultural Supremacy Project
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/ << Trilema - How I found some area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here and there ; plus divers spots missed while shaving.
phf: what do i do with that loop_counter_overflow (technically underflow). it will never get triggered, but i feel like there needs to be some way to not leave it dangling. an assert of some sort
phf: you overestimate the state of things here. i only just managed to ~actually~ get a working very very naive expt
mircea_popescu: aaand in random lulz : https://thecryptosphere.com/2017/03/22/london-attack-at-westminster-apparently-targeted-via-4chan-pastebin/
mircea_popescu: ^ quoted from tutorial on "celluloid", which is QUITE the ruby... emerald. by some indian kid.
mircea_popescu: "A few years ago, there used to be a very easy way to optimize code. If you found out that your processor-heavy code was running a bit slower than you wanted it to, the simple solution was just to wait for the next hardware iteration, which would magically amp up the clock rate on the CPUs and your app would suddenly run faster."
asciilifeform: them beasts -- evolved, must be.
mircea_popescu: unsurprising "ethereum applications"'d have popped up
asciilifeform: incidentally BingoBoingo the conibears sprung many times ( and i tested with a stick, hair trigger, quite sensitive ) and caught 0.
asciilifeform: they have major pest control problem. not even conibear, will help.
asciilifeform: and omfg are these folx infested with leahs.
asciilifeform: over in the circus, EmmyNoether has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) << whod'vethunkit.
phf: asciilifeform: browser doesn't render repeat whitespace, unless you do <pre> but then, i believe, it doesn't automatically wrap lines