asciilifeform: also irritating is the fact that, while we have constant-time routines, it is impossible to guarantee constant-current (yes)
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: incidentally it annoys asciilifeform that ada ( or for that matter any other procedural lang) offers no way to unroll the loops
mircea_popescu: make blog post re the above.
asciilifeform: 'reactor-grade'. i.e. no doubt whatsoever must remain re whether it works as intended.
asciilifeform: ( as for code -- in the end it mist be entirely self-contained. and provably correct. it's a backbone for, e.g., 'tmsr rsa', 'p', eventually gossipd, etc. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform write a blog post ; then reference it from code commetns.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ runs in SAME space, and same order of complexity , as the old routine...
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: lol I haven't browsed reddit in so long I didn't realize there is a whole new subreddit dedicated to mETH fraud: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at least theoretically auto_ptr was the standard replacement for unique_ptr, with the difference that it can also be copied, not just moved. so in point of fact plain replacement of one for the other is bound to cause grief.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread - i solved the general case. maybe oughta demand master degree nao, lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only practical use may be that it's perhaps cheaper to count l's to exclude unoverflowing mults and then appl ythe double reg mult to the remainder, than to apply the double reg mult uniformly throughout.
diana_coman: actually I found the paper too meanwhile, ping me
diana_coman: asciilifeform, a search for that thing turned out what seems to be the MSc thesis behind it if that's any help
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 05:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whart's the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr, dja know ?
asciilifeform: this here seems like the finalsolution, folx.
asciilifeform: when the left shifter ( x ) overflows for the first time, we set a bit, q, and clear another, r. r is set whenever right-shifter (y) overflows. now : if r is set again subsequently to q being set -- it means we overflow.
asciilifeform: say, 1000 * 0010 . ( i won't clutter the log with the steps, will leave as exercise. )
asciilifeform: but in other cases, you cannot do this:
asciilifeform: in this case, detecting overflow simply during the addition stage, works : 0110 + 1100 sets the carry , because result is 10010.
asciilifeform: i'll review, for the l0gz, the 'ancient egyptian' mult algo, which is the simplest practical, and illustrative of the difficulty of determining overflow ~while doing the mult~ in fixed space.
asciilifeform: ( it is how the problem is 'solved' on all known hardware ALUs )
asciilifeform: keep in mind that 'double the available register width' IS NOT A SOLUTION !!
asciilifeform: for my purposes i could entirely do with a constant-time-and-space mult algo that knows when to set the overflow flag.
asciilifeform: let's formalize the problem statement. N is integer, N>1 . x, y are int, 0 <= x < 2^N; 0 <= y < 2^N. determine an f, such that f(x,y) is true iff x*y >= 2^2N ; such that complexity of f is less than that of * operation.
asciilifeform: however i've also not turned up a rigorous proof that it is unsolvable. which is bothersome imho.
asciilifeform: and incidentally the given formulation doesn't work, take the first case, 0011*0110 . it turns into 001*010 = 010. the result (N-1 = 3) has 1 leading zero. no overflow. apply recurse again, we get 00*00 -- definitely no overflow, and no moar leading 1s to flip...
asciilifeform: so in the end we have nodice.
asciilifeform: 'If l1 + l2 = N-1 let a' be equal to a with its leading 1 set to 0, let b' be equal to b with its leading 1 set to 0, let N' = N - 1 and apply the same algorithm.' << the problem with this is that it reduces to actually DOING THE MULT
asciilifeform: these 2 cases overflow, but the fact does not trivially flow from mircea_popescu's equation, you do not know that they will do so by counting the leading 0s
asciilifeform: take, e.g., these 4-bit cases:
asciilifeform: 'If l1 + l2 > N-1, the product of a and b can never overflow N.' is true. 'If l1 + l2 < N - 1, the product of a and b will always overflow N.' is also true.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'l1 + l2 < N - 1, the product of a and b will always overflow N.' << didja mean > rather than < ?
pete_dushenski: lol speaking of special interests going at each other, "She’s the Alternative for Germany’s new co-frontrunner despite a great divergence from the party’s typically conservative, xenophobic portrait. Alice Weidel, an openly gay economist, was nominated as the anti-immigrant, far-right party’s chief candidate on Sunday, set to run alongside AfD co-founder Alexander Gauland in September’s federal
mircea_popescu: hey, the whole point of even buying tickets at the Decaying Empires show is to watch special interest groupas gfoing at each other.
pete_dushenski: "Oxford University has apologised for saying that avoiding eye contact could be "everyday racism" after it was accused of discriminating against autistic people." << in other british sads that i can only wish were trolls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will have to consider the parity of the two items to decide if you go by N or N-1.
asciilifeform: rather than 'iff'
pete_dushenski: shinohai: there ain't no happening like an unhappening. just priceless.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as i said : i thought ~this~ is why computers even use binary in the first place.
asciilifeform: the leading zeros of x1, x2, and result, are 0, 1, 1 respectively.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's statement is true but doesn't help, because we do not have an elastic register to represent the arity of the mult result.
asciilifeform: or we lost the high bits.
asciilifeform: the result is always N bits long, fixed N. what we want to know is whether it actually represents x1*x2.
mircea_popescu: the l of "000000" is 0 for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: if two numbers of lengths l1 and l2, with l1 and l2 < N are multiplied, and the result is less than l1+l2 bits long, then it has overflown.
mircea_popescu: then we refine :
mircea_popescu: to put it another way, two N-bit items muliplied so they yield a M bit result, where M < N, overflowed the buffer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it the case that if the result was 0-led you'd know the product had overflown ?
asciilifeform: the leading N bits will not be same as product of leading whichevers. because carry.
asciilifeform: i'm thick, explain which op would demonstrate the overflow here.
mircea_popescu: 1100001×1010101 = 10000000110101 nevertheless.
asciilifeform: there's no 7 in 8245...
mircea_popescu: 85 * 97 overflew if the result is not led by a 7.
mircea_popescu: ahem ? if the product of the leading q bits isn't equal to the leading q bits of the result, you have overflow.
asciilifeform: seems like the only guaranteed solutions are either to trial-divide every time (eat 2x the space and 2x the time!) or to keep around 'behind the scenes' 2x the nominal register, so as to have where to overflow into, and then test it for zero (2x the space, and 2x the time ! just like the other 'solution')
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone thinks otherwise, please write in!
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf if you are still working on the puzzle : it is my current understanding that no clean detection of multiply-overflow (when operands and result are all N-bit registers of same N-arity) is possible...
mircea_popescu: conceivably he might also explain how to make a gentoo that works, and in the process of trying find out a few things for himself.
mircea_popescu: graybeard, perhaps not entirely objectionable. ~the iota of value in the whole pile of idiotic kids trying to bypass mp's "talking about bitcoin doesn['t make you part of bitcoin" by hanging out in ##crypto and pretending like they know maffs.
asciilifeform: it's the same story as email hosters etc
asciilifeform: ( the phree hosting is for public material strictly )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's how they always worked
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, le pen has a lengthy list of other-provinces-generals to name in various places once she wins. such roman empire.
asciilifeform: not even certain that this is a 'morality' tale re dope -- there are 'genius' who behave this way even sans dope.
mircea_popescu: not somebody is an imbecile, like adlai et al, to actually dose themselves.
asciilifeform: iirc d00d did something or other while on dope, that was later spun as 'threat to public official'
mircea_popescu: which is a perverse sort of reminder : taking the usg seriously, IN ANY WAY, is what the usg lives off if.
mircea_popescu: at any rate -- it is worth pointing out that the original "charges" proferred by the sops terrorist organisation were dropped ; the current "sentence" stems from posturing around a youtube video the guy made discussing said "charges".
asciilifeform: afaik fella did not go on to write the next 'gulag archipelag', no.
mircea_popescu: apparently i'm not the last to make this point, huh.
mircea_popescu: The U.S. government decided today that because I did such a good job investigating the cyber-industrial complex, theyre now going to send me to investigate the prison-industrial complex, he said, thanking the government for providing free food, clothes and housing as I seek to expose wrongdoing by the Bureau of Prisons officials and staff and otherwise report on news and culture in the worlds greatest prison sy
mircea_popescu: the pretense to be taken seriously is so fucking lulzy by now. i expect next is a shoe banging moment, yes ?
mircea_popescu: from the monkeystan link : "Ms. Luz Lujan, his BOP contact, refused to provide him with copies of program statement rules". but ofcoars. and "ms" luz lujan is going to do no time for this, because hey, good soviet.
mircea_popescu: ps things were always thus; but there is a particular danger when a party has had too much power for too long: its members cannot compete to attack the enemy so they attack each other instead. If future commentators identify a "missing generation" of politicians who were in their twenties during the Thatcher years, this will have been the cause."
mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit kochanski, "I was subsequently elected to the post of Research Secretary of the Bow Group, which meant that I was the general editor of its published papers from 1989 to 1990. My abiding impression of the foothills of the Conservative Party at the time is of a world where people eyed their friends suspiciously and if they saw signs of possible talent then they knifed them before they became a danger. Perha
mircea_popescu: sounds about right for the usg.
asciilifeform: '“The prosecutor said one thing that was accurate—that I don’t have respect for the laws in this country,” he told TIME. “We have a situation in which the only way we can survive as a free nation is if our laws are not enforced.”'
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, he was very popular with xiaoping, who was 30 at the time. why was he not in #china ?)
mircea_popescu: so this barrett brown, was he sent with... whatever, pick a 20yo slightly slack-jawed beauty to beijing, whence he returned to the us "because he can't live outside of the great satan" ?
asciilifeform: in the reich with seekrit laws (yes), who is surprised by 'secret plea deal' conditions.
asciilifeform: according, apparently, to the inquisitor in charge of subj.
mircea_popescu: heh. according to whom, this ? he can't talk to "the media".
mircea_popescu: o, right, because the criminal gang will tell you what to say.
asciilifeform: ^ d00d who was nailed as scapegoat for the public rape of stratfor corp
asciilifeform: 'Barrett Brown was re-arrested and taken into custody by Bureau of Prison officials today for speaking to the media.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the history of the dodo bird : enoch did in the 1970 election about what trump did in the 2016 election. except enoch did not get the prime minister job (same dork hath got perpetuated, by the same exact swamp for the same exact sort of reasons).
mircea_popescu: it's an argument often found in the hands of the socialist / statist , that single men make mistakes which deliberating bodies might have avoided. this is a ridiculous argument : for every case of that there's ten thousand cases of mistakes them bodies make single men would have readily avoided.
mircea_popescu: a richard might have had, perhaps. he certainlt found the ~equivalent in the saxon-norman dispute. but no body of man ever can.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the fundamental limit of "democracy" in ~any sense~. no sort of consultative body, no matter what kind or type, would have ever fallen on the correct solution cca 1939, which was to say to hitler "hey, you seem like a strapping young chap, tell you what, each dog must have his day says our poet. would you like india ?"
mircea_popescu: but to quote napier, which is why i even linked him, "So perverse is mankind that every nationality prefers to be misgoverned by its own people than to be well ruled by another."
mircea_popescu: the overflow of all the "i'm too lazy to work, and i have twittering to do rather than thinking" is certainly in the way.
mircea_popescu: sadly the same process was stopped short in congo, and in india, and generally.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless : a whole population of redskins disappeared over a coupla centuries because, day after day and year after year, each individually made their choice : would i rather work and think, or would i rather die ? and they chose to die, and they died, AND THEY ARE NOT MISSED.
asciilifeform: aha. who the hell knows what a grown-up german empire could've been like.
mircea_popescu: aha. but i was for the sake of argument going to the outer edges of the perhaps unlikely.
asciilifeform: germans weren't so much interested in doing the congo thing, tho, initially more into roman-style 'citizen farmer' land parcelling
mircea_popescu: imagine a belgian congo the size of all india! virtually no indians left today, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep. and with germany acquiring india the whole lebensraum thing'd have been gone out of anyone's mind.
asciilifeform: britain still nominally owned, e.g., india, then.
mircea_popescu: but then again, zee prussians always had a higher view of englishmen than of russians.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, england would have fared a lot better if it made a humble peace with germany cca 1939, than as it did making a gaudy, and empty, alliance with the only true enemy of humanity, and human liberty.
asciilifeform: the 'airstripping' was naturally with help from germany.
mircea_popescu: that's the only practical point in all of this. yes england was a piece of shit slated for the garbage heap anyway, sure. but there can not be such a thing as an ally of the us.
mircea_popescu: "That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century."
asciilifeform: the warning does 0.
mircea_popescu: in other words - it's not like there wasn't ample warning. there was. the fucktards of #england failed to act in the proper manner.
mircea_popescu: the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history." et al.
mircea_popescu: "I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation? The answer is that I do not have the right not to do so. Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that this country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://www.enochpowell.net/fr-79.html << and the original birmingham speech, to rescue it from all the inept blather about "Rivers of blood" and whatnot socialist horde nonsense.
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3900462/It-says-need-little-sympathetic-racists-world-Row-erupts-Enoch-Powell-s-Rivers-Blood-speech-read-stage-decade-s-provocative-play.html << speaking of same powell
asciilifeform: aaha. ye olde star topology, is the goal. all interactions via Great Inca strictly.
mircea_popescu: if you employ them you might have relations with them outside of facebook (which is assault!!!) and they may be grateful or in any way develop positive feelings for you (which is abuse!!11)
mircea_popescu: but since he mentions enoch powell : it can't be underscored enough that "what will happen when much brain power and energy are applied to a faulty premise". compare and contrast the life and times of http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ working for the empire with the output and stature of powell.
asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 13:29 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don't understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don't. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds.
mircea_popescu: the woman he mentions (corinne camilleri-ferrante) died a few years back. the guardian has an empty, google spam page on her name.
asciilifeform: ' "Poverty" as defined now (for instance, by the Child Poverty Action Group) would have been called "riches" in many earlier ages. In a similar vein, the child sex abuse industry ensures an ever growing problem and ever growing attention by redefining as sexual abuse things (such as being groped in crowds) that most people would regard as a regrettable but not catastrophic part of childhood, so that its statements about real abuse are
asciilifeform: ( this is still the first-rsa-chip d00d from earlier thread )
mircea_popescu: there's a difference across the atlantic, conservative/republican aren't ~same, so on.
asciilifeform: i thought it was clear from the text..
mircea_popescu: "In its early years the Group produced a few carefully researched papers, which the Conservative Party really had to take notice of because no-one else in the Party gave the impression of doing any thinking at all." << he's talking of the republican party in the 80s, ie, that supposed golden age of reaganism. and he's not right, either.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they keep trying to make girl cocks.
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing etimologies or what was it, apparently uppity tortilla (who was living independently for incomprehensible reasons) set his apartment on fire, and other than being kicked out is being prosecuted by a bunch of people who claim he owes them money (again).
mircea_popescu: so no more pissing in the best reich ?
asciilifeform: the local... i hesitate to call'em 'restaurants' -- are also phasing'em out.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger basically what you're saying is that you disapprove of fiat pseudolaw being applied, when obviously the republic is the only sovereign. which, yes, is not a controversial point.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtendtmr-antbleed-the-persistence-of-winklevii-etc/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend(TM)(R): Antbleed, The Persistence of Winklevii, etc
BingoBoingo: And the presumptive leader of Pantsuit to challenge Trump in 2020 is likely to be Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren
BingoBoingo: Not really. Not between the pantsuit judges and the realization that Congress is a bunch of welfare queens.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo all in all the first hundred aren't as much of a lulz shower as the first dozen seemed to imply huh.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/first-one-hundred-days-of-the-eight-year-trumpreich-a-recap/ << Qntra - First One Hundred Days Of The Eight Year Trumpreich: A Recap
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, they were trying to spread teh nsa goodword!
BingoBoingo: Oh, they have a newspaper http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2245394-an-overview-of-president-trumps-first-100-days-in-office-2/
Framedragger: it quotes some statement official or w/e, but is there
mats: the honesty would be refreshing, but i see no mention of falun gong in that lin
BingoBoingo: Anyways this cult seems to have realized the leftists humanitatians care more for spreading Aids in Africa and would rather cozy up to Trump
Framedragger: saw 'em in seoul, too. "meh", let them be, no?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: possibly the one meritorious thing cisco ever did, if true.
Framedragger: i still say 'fuck you cisco' for pitching (and later selling) customised surveillance infrastructure to china by saying that its shit can "combat ‘Falun Gong’ evil religion and other hostiles" (sic)
mats: most of the west's exported culture is death cult
mircea_popescu: hey, it'd validate them!
mats: 'they use corpses of executed chinese political prisoners!'
mats: the 'bodies exhibit' is, even now, plagued by persistent rumors like that
mircea_popescu: what'd you have them do ?
asciilifeform: we have'em here, in their cult outfits, dourly waving photos of cn executioners, supposedly disassembling similar derps for organs
BingoBoingo: loathesome does not always preclude lulzy
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 19:21 BingoBoingo: In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues
BingoBoingo: And their tagline to the alt-right is China could be "Great Again"(TM)(R) if only we dumped the commies and opium
BingoBoingo: Calls for elmination of the pervert's Communist Party of China and does outreach through dance troupes and pretty girls
mircea_popescu: oh the verboten right right i recall.
BingoBoingo: The chinese verision of "back to Budda" conservative religious movement. Kinda somewhere between the Southern Baptists and the Mormons, but my eastern religions map is not adequately calibrated anologize it precisely
BingoBoingo: In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues
pete_dushenski: ya, the redirect from the old url to the new one isn't working for some reason. bots.contravex.com should work tho.
mircea_popescu: republican party has not this peroblem at all : the trump side is 30yos who want to curb stomp faggots, pussies and people from SV ; the remainder is people over 70. nature resolves that problem all by itself.
mircea_popescu: there was no way to keep this pile of cats and octopi herded even should clinton have won.
mircea_popescu: pantsuit party is a very volatile hodge podge of single issue fascists ("gender rights", "Ecologists", radical black activists, some latino weirdos etc) and multi-issue socialists that used to masquerade as "market oriented liberal capitalists" (the dudes who keep pushing the "science" narrative etc) and are now about as confused wrt their identity as dude trying to wear a suit on wall street by day and suck cock on knees in
Framedragger: unless... hm! "fait" could mean "done" in french (sth like that?), and so the "fait banking partners" could mean done-for? :D
mircea_popescu: the notion that it'll still exist by 2020 is a little dubious.
mircea_popescu: lel. pretty surte they were doing this years ago9 also
mircea_popescu: shinohai nah, my days of mountain walking were over just about the time girls started to interest.
mircea_popescu: it's not even the drop per se. it's very rocky, it'll crack your skull wide open in a 20 foot fall.
Framedragger: the mountain looks quite grand and avalanchy.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : retezat is a hard mountain, dozen-ish groups are about the largest that can be sanely managed. to ensure things such as you know, NOT STARTING AVALANCHES)
mircea_popescu: well me either, but what can you do.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in principle, sure. so far as the matter stands, one man trained a bunch of record holders and the other man went around retezat in large groups. how the fuck even dare he take 51 persons over there ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, good try, you know? I'm not ignoring anything; I'm simply saying that no, someone is NOT competent if they die when they try to do their thing in the real world
diana_coman: I get the not-political thing; I am more on the technical side myself, but there is some limit to what can be called competence
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 13:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, me finally stumbled on https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat/tree/master/src/phuctor.nosuchlabs.com ( BenBE being http://blog.benny-baumann.de/ )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bullshit, yes. but this is a factual description of the world. you're gonna ignore it now ?
diana_coman: oh, they were competent STRICTLY at climbing a mountain; provided the mountain is in the lab; in the void
mircea_popescu: that's the problem, in nucet.
mircea_popescu: and if society in general doesn't understand this either, in short order you'll find yourself wondering where the dodo bird went.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don't understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don't. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds.
diana_coman: oh, there are here those dorks but they SHOULD NOT be here therefore we just..ignore them
mircea_popescu: because no, random dork who's read all the tedx and reddit on the topic and intends to follow it by the letter is not thereby qualified to have an opinion on things and matters. which is what this catalin ioan berenghi schmuck strikes me as.
diana_coman: eh, sure; they didn't tell them that, nor did they take into account the reality basically
diana_coman: thing is: you are competent, right? and meet the big group who TELL you they are going on the higher route; so then?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman let's consider this : late april, you can go lower or higher. if you're competent you take your pick, if you are not competent and so can't follow the competent YOU DO NOT GO. you don't fucking go anyway, relying on your group numbers, and then of fucking course if you bigfoot about HIGHER than the other guys end up... causing an avalanche.
mircea_popescu: things like "there's no gsm signal therefore survival chances are minimal" tend to give him away. seeing how you know, gsm, our democracy and his assorted ineptitudes were invented slightly after retezat stood there.
diana_coman: then that's what I read there too that they were accused of that, yes; I don't know about the accusation as such though
mircea_popescu: diana_coman apparently the greenhorns stand accused of having actually ~caused~ the avalanche that claimed the experts ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah they are pretty weird with that huh. /me reads
mircea_popescu: shinohai if he manages to capture the lot he could not only skin 'em and make himself a hat + bathingsuit for girl combo, but also could make squirrel stu.
diana_coman: the mountain guide guy did not write his account in any sane place of course, but anyways: http://www.flux24.ro/marturie-socanta-a-unui-martor-la-tragedia-din-retezat/
mircea_popescu: in other news, me finally stumbled on https://github.com/BenBE/kompromat/tree/master/src/phuctor.nosuchlabs.com ( BenBE being http://blog.benny-baumann.de/ )
mircea_popescu didn't follow the details all too close. sure.
mircea_popescu: from experience, every time something blows up i can produce for the benefit of the slavegirl in whose hands it did blow up a list of what minor precautions she could have taken.
diana_coman: from what I read it was more that they were idiots on the day ignoring the weather forecast and making a poor decision on the spot re path to take
mircea_popescu: they were probably eaten by successful white men!!1
mircea_popescu: needless to say there's not been a ro gymnast worth the spittle in a while. i wonder why. i also wonder http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-or-the-mirage-of-a-free-and-open-market/#selection-85.0-85.168 ie you know, "where is the new zealand socrates".
mircea_popescu: aaand in not-really-news : avalance in retezat (romanian mountain) killed a few kids that were european and world record holders in mountain-related items. ro "our democracy" media railing about how the trainer (also father of one of the victims) "forced his two daughters to break record after record while training in EXTREME CONDITIONS!!!1 ONLY TO SATISFY HIS OWN EGOTISM!!1111"
mircea_popescu: and findally, yes "products" no "longer" compete on algos but on puffery. this is not because of anything than laziness, intellectual and otherwise, on the part of everyone involved. similarily, "psychic healers" also do not compete on healing but on distance, having the phonelines open 24/7 and other points of ~convenience~.
mircea_popescu: there is no "cryptology" field. nothing grew up.
mircea_popescu: no, break the thing, steal the shit, blame nsa. the gutting of the socialist empire must proceed apace.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear : the ONLY use of a successful attack on a cryptosystem is to attack real world deployments. publishing is particularly a worthless (and stupid) endeavour, because it gives a lazy and entitled "public" something for free that it shouldn't have even for pay.
mircea_popescu: d because cryptology is now a respectable academic discipline, the benefits of publishing a successful attack on a cryptosystem far outweigh the dubious benefits of keeping that attack secret and using it for some kind of fraud. In this area, at least, cryptology has grown up."
mircea_popescu: of course, any fiat paper must include its "hail party" lines, and so "In retrospect this time marks a turning point in the history of cryptology. No longer would products compete on claimed "better algorithms" than their opposition. It became in everyone's interest to focus on published algorithms whose design principles were well known. Cryptographic products found other areas to compete in (speed, features, ease of use) an
mircea_popescu: "Instead, the effort that could have been spent on securing the system was spent on public relations. The firm claimed that the attack could work only on our own copy of Fortress (in fact, it could work with any copy at all because it deduced the key from the data on the disk)." << from kochanski's (ancient) piece on comedy of commercial encryption software. the shamans still falling into same pits today, of course, as seen
mircea_popescu: too bad i wanted to leave them a "drop fucking dead, bunch of illiterate monkeys"
mircea_popescu: and of course no way to leave a comment on the "announcing linkerd 1.0" follow-up piece. but i could "share this post on hacker news".
mircea_popescu: o wait, and the whole thing is actually copy for this "linkerd" piece of shit "buoyant.io" is hawking.
mircea_popescu: "The explicit goal of the service mesh is to move service communication out of the realm of the invisible, implied infrastructure, and into the role of a first-class member of the ecosystemwhere it can be monitored, managed and controlled." << alternatively, you could read a fucking book. motherfucking chukas.
mircea_popescu: dude, what the fuck is with the bullshit. "we made a tcp on top of tcp because we're bored at "work" and hurr."
mircea_popescu: "Unlike TCP, the service mesh has a significant goal beyond just make it work: it provides a uniform, application-wide point for introducing visibility and control into the application runtime."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whart's the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr, dja know ?
mircea_popescu: you'd expect respectable people involved in something either publish post mortem or aren't very respectable going forward.
mircea_popescu: i keep putting these small charge footmines in the logs you dutifully scoop them up.
asciilifeform: ( observe, the adder cycles every time, 'needed' or no)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 05:08 mircea_popescu: in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649794 << hatetobreakit: an algo where you can do this (e.g. the egyptian mult in my example) IS a fixtime algo. that's what they are..
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:03 phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649713 << from my own ethnological surveys, anglo "intellectual" has books in house as chick trap and little more. they tend to be confined to one or three shelves well placed in the party room, sort-of like mantlepieces of yore.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649691 << you missed out the roomful of ~, evidently. they pass these things out there, with the rubber chicken.
mircea_popescu: in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649689 << one way out of making it fixed time is to always do pairs. correctly construct the pairs and only return once both computed.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:31 asciilifeform: 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649669 << but SuCcEsS alfie!!! succes!!! what do these faces have in common!!11
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:30 asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.