asciilifeform: i was half-convinced it'd be the infamous 'egyptian light bulb'
asciilifeform: dirty thinking dun do the argument any good.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, the harappan steatites remain undeciphered -- not that people've not tried.)
mircea_popescu: they're gonna sacrifice preet bharara's arsehole to maintain the sun's power levels.
mircea_popescu: whatever, they're too fucking smart and in charge of things and matters to be catholics like "those beasts" of "the dark ages". too busy getting "just the facts" and "drawing their own conclusions" so as to be polytheistic dorks like the aztecs, the harappan, and whatever other tribes forgotten through disuse.
Framedragger: yeah, i guess it's a about the general point anyway. with not much particular matter left
Framedragger: oh yeah, such a great channel, occupy the oceans!
trinque: I asked because what occurred to me is that "AGW" is a fine excuse for the sniveling neuroses of the present generation.
mircea_popescu: "the sun was walking down shithead avenue in maryland, and as it sat down at the starbucks it felt a ..."
mircea_popescu: it took however the dumbest generation of narcissists in history to make this astral point personal.
Framedragger: i do not presently assign any high value towards AGW, but am also unsure of the "if there were a bomb, there definitely would be nothing to be done" part. i mean, i guess so, hm.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking thing is that for ~as long as there existed human culture, which is to say the greeks, it was both known, evident, and accepted that the situation of life on earth is precarious, and the party will end.
Framedragger: trinque: hm, no, honestly the point *was* just about non-linearity. not about action or "hey we should hedge our bets just in case", etc.
shinohai: The motivation for creating the shitty database boils down to "the one we were using wasn't written in a hipster language." <<< top kek
trinque: Framedragger: is this query "supposing there were a bomb under your ass and nothing you could do, what would you do?"
Framedragger realised the term "inflection point" was actually used in the article itself (in a footnote), in the sense i had in mind, so needless to say, not an original point
ben_vulpes: reminds me of the story of the american producer visiting canada who refused to sniff the maple-scented bills, certain that he was being trolled.
BingoBoingo: In the "Sad That Not Scammed Files": You need to stop giving a fuck about how your car looks. I was cross shopping clean RSX-Ss against my CRZ, and I got a bargain basement CRZ at $7500. You paid $2300, maybe a third of what a nice one costs. The only amazing thing here is that you are stunned that your car that cost a third of "what it should" has tons of problems.
mircea_popescu: i didn't want cock up my ass in the first place.
ben_vulpes: "baby you are entirely capable of deducing what the new buttons do, i don't want to hear that kind of nonsense from you any more."
mircea_popescu: the only fuckoff.sh for not having a dilated asshole and insulted prostate is... not taking cock up the ass. sadly ? I THINK NOT!!!
ben_vulpes: sadly, the only fuckoff.sh for new apple retardation is not buying apple products
asciilifeform: only the filename, mindyou.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who imagines anyone would want to live in a world run by the bureaucrats in preference of a world run by the drug dealers. am i really supposed to believe a guy who always sells the amount he promises is not to be trusted with government, whereas a conclave of disgusting crows that never fail to break their promises are naturally recommended for the job ?
mircea_popescu: in the latest lulz re banking scams, third world banks discovered that if they just charge for wires anyway, notwitstanding sent OUR, nobody'll know the difference.
mircea_popescu: basically "modern culture" is strictly this : a special monkery where idiotic monks re-do the copying of old manuscripts in the font of the year.
asciilifeform: hey they were on vhs and nao bluray!111
mircea_popescu: thanks god for progress, see, we can now re-do all the boccaccio which we pretend to not exist, because the old redos are no longer cogent of the new set of hyeroglyphs.
mircea_popescu: could make a whole bunch of "clever" romcoms around the newly upgraded mistaken identity comedy, omg his watch flashed.
asciilifeform: not obvious to asciilifeform either.
mircea_popescu: sort of last-stop on the train ride between virginity and mother of two. nobody can recount what happened in the intervening decade
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 16:24 mircea_popescu: yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that "i fucking love britney spears because here's a painting of her in my bedroom" in 2004, "i fucking love science because here's a painting of science in my bedroom" 2005, then hs ended moved to dorm got stoned and plugged in all the holes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where did the 'luvv science' thing come from originally ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:04 mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
mircea_popescu: cogent challenge to authority is a finnicky-er order than readily intuited by the desperate adolescent
a111: Logged on 2017-05-12 00:57 mircea_popescu: how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
mircea_popescu: without exception one claiming "i fucking love science" or "where can i find just the facts" or etcetera is merely rejecting what they perceive as the NORMAL authority, in favour of an unvoiced alternative they deem superior.
mircea_popescu: whether you are obeying the words of darius, the greatest man-god to walk the sands around babylon, carried to your ears by a stout fellow in weird pajamas ; or the echoes of the voice of some dumb woman nobody liked, whom you'de irrationalyl decided is important beyond all else in nature ; or the strange flickers of a tube which "is impersonal and therefore truthful, pay no attention at the jew behind the screen", in point o
Framedragger: but yeah i see the connection re thread
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: devil's advocate: can attempt to resist where-to-go paradox without making reference to authority if you admit that agent's free will can also include (while still counting as free will) "unconscious heuristics" ("water is priority"; but yes this is missing the point, i guess) / "random behaviour" (buridan would disagree that this is "free will", i guess)
mircea_popescu: the rest is just whitewash, mostly by people who imagine authority is something they can personally deny. speak truth to power or something.
mircea_popescu: if you pretend "rationality" ie "i fucking love science" ie, meaning-afore-authority to be the prime mover.
Framedragger: if you constrain free will to rational-agent-acts only, then yeah, paradox applies.. right?
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, lots of "engineers" esp of the computing type display the behaviour.)
mircea_popescu: yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
Framedragger: the paradox re free will, been a long time tho
mircea_popescu: btw, you know the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?
mircea_popescu: how this works, whoever has nice weather ends up falling behind in textile mill development.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger latin is not so far off from predicate symbol notation in the first place, which easement did slow down the development of hte cleanner tool.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the amusing parallel ot all this is, of course, the "plain reading" of the us constitution.
mircea_popescu: he had a whole workshop producing cutlery devoid of handles but missing the business end.
asciilifeform: ('because they are better men!' will say mircea_popescu .)
mircea_popescu: i live among a people who prefer textual renditions of paths to actual map usage, or cartesian addressing mechanisms. the notion that you have a more direct understanding of some house by saying "Fuckenstrasse 17" than by saying "turn left art the church and follow the tit stamps on the sidewalk" is ...
asciilifeform: and there is a reason why aristotles build 0 machines.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you get an erection watching a picture of Anne rather than reading "Anne spent her days naked and her tits were big and milky" is no argument as to the ~meaning~. your erections ain't meaningful.
asciilifeform: do we have to do the 'find me whoever willing to work with humlang representation of electric circuit as the primary working medium' thread again..?
asciilifeform: all known humlangs are alphabetic or hieroglyphic. diagram is neither here nor there, it is a narrowly specialized thing
mircea_popescu: carrying meaning with raw geometry. if only. the easier case for this would be "carrying love with naked penis", ie, raping your way into marriage. that has better chances of working than the meaning of sheer existence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe because the hope that diagrams won't pile up and evolve to hieroglyphs entirely baseless ?
asciilifeform: the idiot yahweh book is even bigger source of quotage.
asciilifeform: i.e. the glyphs do not carry meaning with raw geometry
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact aristotle is a major source of quotes today in europe, but fukantothmoth or w/e her name was isn't a source of anything for "the great nation of africa" idem dun bother. why the fuck is it that i can recide names of ancient members of the republic of letters to fill an orthodox pomelnik for a full mass, and nobody can name three fucking egyptian authors he likes. supposedly they taught our barbarians magic an
mircea_popescu: somehow the observation that they could read aristotle in the middle ages but couldn't read egyptian until 1800s doth not bother the diagramist.
mircea_popescu: i should open a bank offering 100% guaranteed deposits -- for the poor.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587264 << so delightfully naive, in retrospect. "oh, the reason alphabet doesn't work is that the meaning of words gets lost through thousands of years, but if only they had slideshare then! the wholly contentless meaningless diagram is eternal -- nothing there to lose!"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:43 mircea_popescu: now we understand each other. dutch can't be "wrong" about aristotle per se. it is a fact he didn't much understand what the other said ; and it is a fact that in the dutch system, dutch's observations stand, however vaguely greek flavoured they may be.
mircea_popescu: of course, it's not generally the way of tv personalities to inquire what'd be the table stakes. they're just there, right ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, table stakes for derrida-ing, either as jacques or john, is writing that damned http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656241 as a universal errorless machine.
mircea_popescu: trinque or alternatively you could draw it directly from aristotle and the discussions of prime movers. though the subtleties of scholastics are not well understood by the "modern" mind.
mircea_popescu: in the sense pointing and laughing is some kind of anti-mongoloid, sure.
mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
Framedragger: i don't have a strong case but don't consider all of analytic philosophy to be just "public intellectuals". a *large lot* of it, sure, so makes sense to just dismiss all of it for the sake of saving time / internal sanity
mircea_popescu: and it dun has anything to do with the french style of going on tv. anglo derp sitting in his office "writing" for "peer reviewed" etc is not doing anything different. it's just a shitty tv channel nobody tunes in, the nature channel, the peer reviewed channel, etc.
Framedragger: heh re textual devices, i guess i have to agree. baudrillard... i liked it when i first read simulation/simulacra. yes it was pretty vapous, i mean, beyond the "map != territory but depends how you use words, kid!!", summarised in a paragraph or two... so, sure
fd_ghetto: (sorry, very shoddy irc connection all of the sudden. ping is stable so not sure wtf)
mircea_popescu: the girls stuff their lips with silicon etc, the boys use certain textual devices, whatever.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i would dismiss the whole "public intellectual" v 5.0 as entirely like the tv starlet. they ALSO all sound the same.
mircea_popescu: random $50 an hour ro tv starlet. google images shows you the... well, you know, normal face, they all look the same.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm so you would dismiss say the whole internalism/externalism debate as effectively tv show, then? :D
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:30 mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
mircea_popescu: sure, and the tv on occasion has hot chicks that are a pleasure in private. i know. so ?
Framedragger: but yeah. also paragraph notion vaguely relates to "log ranges" concept (which i haven't developed any further, yet.) l1 folx give labels to log line ranges; these 'breaks' can then visibly (not obnoxiously) appear in online logotron.
Framedragger: (from irc backlog) eh, there's ~passable stuff, like chalmers (actually vaguely referenced in logs) etc
mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why ~nobody sane calls some randomly chosen species of the "reality tv show" "modern philosophy".
mircea_popescu: depends who's the human speaking.
mircea_popescu: the humanities tradition is that meaningful text (eg law) is quoted by page and paragraph, whereas meaningless text (eg, ehtnological notation) is quoted by page and line.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that lines are quite like 'stick shift' auto. an anachronism, but the supposed automation is not ~quite~ there.
mircea_popescu: well, i see it absorbed in paragraph, but whatever. item, how'd you call the thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: this is to abolish the line-based idiocy of unix diff.
mircea_popescu: aok then.
Framedragger: semantic diff would of course be spiffy, there is that.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck can't i add the string 68 with the numeral 7 to get the real 74.99999999 as god intended ? it's ALL STRINGS YES ?
mircea_popescu: to put it another way :
asciilifeform: this is EXACTLY the tab-sizes thread with mircea_popescu from year ago.
asciilifeform: and the vdiff becomes unreadable.
mircea_popescu: that the rest of the crap ~dun work that way... hey. i thought that's mostly why you don't like the rest of the crap in the first place
mircea_popescu: because yes, your lisp code should be line=paragraph, and your ide should properly expand the parens, and afaik / afaies it DOES.
mircea_popescu: is the substance of disagreement that you want things to read like
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "this fellow has no idea what the fuck he's saying" ; it's quite another to say "this fellow doesn't know of our hardships!". the former's an argument. the latter...
mircea_popescu: what, it's nonsense because we don't share the same incentives to misrepresent the facts ?
mircea_popescu: no. i am simply saying i am a better man than you. and you will either 120 or live with knowing this.
mircea_popescu: and if you try to read people with viewport larger than yours, either buy a better system or live with your inferiority.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this we agree. but how big is the viewport ?
asciilifeform: which is the only sane way to read lisps
asciilifeform: for another, it fucks up indentation
Framedragger: ah, well then yeah, it's pretty luzly :D tis true
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not proposing it be used, i'm just lulzing at the whole nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but WHY IS IT EVEN IN THERE!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:07 asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
mircea_popescu: nano fro instance doesn't break them at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never want them.
mircea_popescu: mno. i'm thinking of them as what they are -- the author being mentally slow, and attempting the equivalent of ajax in my fucking text file.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 04:44 fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
asciilifeform: those of us who aren't mircea_popescu and have to clean own piles of shit, or they DON'T GET CLEANED, might disagree.
mircea_popescu: let. the. owner. of. proggy. solve. HIS FUCKING PROBLEMS.
asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
mircea_popescu: your job is to write your line of code well ; not to "ensure" random person you don't nor can know LOOKS AT IT FROM THE RIGFHT ANGLE
asciilifeform: the number of displaytrons that exist, that can do this, is 0.
asciilifeform: there is not even necessarily a correct place to break it.
mircea_popescu: fu. it's not your fucking problem. your paragraph is a line. how (or whether) that line is broken is the problem of whoever displays it.
asciilifeform: the alternative to mid-word idiotbreaks is 'dwim' attempt
mircea_popescu: then unix crapola has non-flowing text because hey, let's be idiots.
mircea_popescu: no, problem is someone somewhere IS FUCKING IDIOTIC ENOUGH to touch the enter key for any other reason than end of paragraph.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : how to fix idiotic (fixed width paragraph) documents ? s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/. thanks god for idiotic newline alternatives.
asciilifeform: ( i'd guess even the furnace stokers at microshit grasp that the entire operation is very little more than a factory for nsa pwnholes )
mircea_popescu: "oh, the soviets got defeated by a buncha chukas, but it is not the peace&defense ministry's fault! it's the supplies&items ministry's fault!"
mircea_popescu: lol, usg.ms duking it out with usg.nsa over the fact that they got publicly raped a little ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, microshit fud agency working overtime, https://archive.is/Hd2S6 >> 'Microsoft has criticized the NSA for their major role in spreading the WannaCry ransomware epidemic which paralyzed hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide. The tech giant urged governments to use and store their cyber warfare tools responsibly.'
mircea_popescu: apparently a bunch of idiots watch too much netflix and don't encounter nearly enough clubs to the mouth to know better than trying to apply in life what they saw in the cartoons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's actually a public utility. has absolutely no right over the usage of its monopoly, much like electric co can't cut your power.
asciilifeform: not as if 'free world' 'bank' were a private org. rather than a crown organ where plebe is to put his meager savings for ease of requisitioning.
mircea_popescu also refused to get himself "good fiscal behaviour" certificate when rotards came up with "requiring" such nonsense. they nearly fell over.
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is bank allowed to judge, what is this, soviets ?
asciilifeform: they do require a postal addr that isn't a box, lulzily
asciilifeform: tru!! they do not
mircea_popescu: ards DONT actuallty require that themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out this lulz : in order to open a bank account, ALL banks of costa rica require the company present them with a PROJECTED CASH FLOW! supposedly because there's some law so requiring them, which i dun much credit, but i do intend to find a lawyer and ask their local constitutional court. in any case, all this supposedly because "since 9/11 the ustards forced them to", which is obviously lulzy since the ust
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/x3RZM >> 'The Allianz Deutscher Demokraten (ADD), a political party in Germany founded by Turkish-Germans, has faced another obstacle after their bank account was shut down for the fourth time for no reason.'
mircea_popescu: "yea, please, more gilding, and use thicker leaf, maybe i manage to sink in earth like a raft adrift the oceans."
mircea_popescu: "here's this process makes the leaf impervious and weightless, sir. or would you prefer we gild the covers instead ?"
mircea_popescu: experience shows they could not and do not.
mircea_popescu: hoarding it like ~ is borne of a very flattering view of humanity, supposing somehow that the worms could also not be worms, if $magic, such as you know, reading a book.
asciilifeform: but it's a whole-day chore ( if done correctly ) with current tech. so ~nobody bothers.
asciilifeform: i'll grudgingly agree with the folx who remind that the correct thing to do with a rare b00k is to scan it, not to hoard it like koschei's treasures
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform associates the practice with mircea_popescu , he had never met anyone else, afaik, who did it )
mircea_popescu: i also hoard dead tree, it's called furniture. but in that application works fabulously well, the absence of a different couch does in no way detract from the damsel's moans who's overturned on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not for hoarding dead tree per se, but for attempting to apply a linear solution to a nonlinear problem WAY past the point where the mismatch should have become obvious.
mircea_popescu: the meteoric path of that young careerist is quite amusing. started rather impressively, fell right in the shitter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they end up with 20k tomes and get laughed at by mircea_popescu for 'hoarding dead tree'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the monkey house, https://archive.is/LS3sn >> 'And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible' -- zooko (perpetrator of subj scamcoin)
mircea_popescu: but some people are not specific things. what's they to do.
mircea_popescu: but the overarching point is that a life of the spirit requires you read books you DIDNT read before. re-reading the same books you already know is a dubious benefit.
mircea_popescu: i dun feel like paying amazon 30 bux because who the fuck are they, not like they helped me know i hafta read this, and not like there can exist another merit ; i dun feel like waiting till they deliver. i did see the book at one point, in library, of course, which is how i know it exists, but i'm not going back there to read a book.
mircea_popescu: phf` suppose this morning you have to read l'histoire de mademoiselle cronel ditte fretilon. because whatever, as part of your plurious activities you're helping a girl get a place off the ground and being a serious agent you scoop the quarries of truth quite that deep. what now ?
shinohai: He can always learn 2 write shitty javascript and sell crap on fivver like all the other pajeets.
mircea_popescu: maybe he never overcomes the moment, spends rest of his life cringing over this, like a sort of lefty rms.
mircea_popescu: "scholar in residence", they wouldn't even give him a chair. NYU ffs! next step down was what, supervising the used sportsbras of the ohio state sluts ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol, the butthurt of the idiot indian. he was already seeing himself consul, what do we mean his career is finished ?!?!?! CAN NOT BEEE!!11
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 03:18 pete_dushenski: open q : anyone tried this (or other) intel me 'cleaner' ? https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/How-does-it-work%3F
BingoBoingo: The wankel being a 4-stroke, or poor fellow who misadventured on 4-stroke strimmer getting jewed of of half the power strokes he'd have on a 2-cycle
BingoBoingo today had to console poor fellow who burdened himself with a 4-cycle string trimmer "It seems to not be that powerful" "Of course it's not, there's half as many power strokes"
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wanna fake boring ole normal and instead the moo cows moo "Leak! Leak!"
BingoBoingo: The wankel is indeed a total oil loss system, which means FU PETROIL!
mircea_popescu: i guess. there's ~no way to compensate that loss of mass though.
asciilifeform: in theory was to give a less stupid elsewhere in mechanism.
mircea_popescu: o brother, this was one of those total oil loss systems was it ?
BingoBoingo: The only problem with Mazda wenkels is the stupid insistence on oil injection instead of just running a 2-cycle petroil mix
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 22:10 trinque: no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet
mircea_popescu: paper is a miserable fit for the manner in which i read. one day ima actually manage to put into algo form the sort of tree i wish to see
mircea_popescu: my problems are exactly opposite : http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/#selection-23.0-27.60
asciilifeform: the formatting is yuck
mircea_popescu: perhaps ; but it's not clearly out of the crossing yet, so it may be counted.
mircea_popescu: the polarbeard fellow, i thought.
mircea_popescu: well, the reasoning was, "as they can't be bothered to read online while out ; so can't they be bothered to read books while in"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 23:47 mircea_popescu: we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work.
asciilifeform: dunno that you get modem in solitary. or there'd be a queue to sit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of buried tech : ~nobody credits diderot with the first coherent rejection of "intelligent design", but lettre sur les aveugles.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work. << i kinda agree that some type of loose style guide should be created and posted to minimize churn/rework to assimilate
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 22:11 ben_vulpes: one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed.
ben_vulpes: (helps that folks are generally familiar with the base code.)
mircea_popescu: it might be the first time i had something cogent to say about code.
ben_vulpes: i am quite glad of the review.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's my understanding that the soul of c is exactly "compiler dun care about this".
ben_vulpes: it does surprise me that the function is declared to return a boolean, but the compiler says nothing about a branch where it might not return anything.
mircea_popescu: (this is generally the wost sort of problem, when false is the expected return, because undefined often masquerades false, ie it "seems to work")
ben_vulpes: i foolishly, naively assumed the compiler would detect that.
ben_vulpes: i do not understand the subtleties of what is happening in script.cpp, and so decided to stick with shown-good semantics.
ben_vulpes: i had trouble with the pairtype.
ben_vulpes: after some time in the pit, i stopped boosting.
ben_vulpes: it may have been simply the first thing i did, and so mimicked existing style.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm. a map structure and an iterator over it seems clear to me, imho. just looks unfamiliar to a c developer. but not arguing further
mircea_popescu: we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes to my mind "c99 loop vs boost blabla" is very much in the same chapter as 4/2 spaces etc
ben_vulpes: happy to replace the dangling boostism, certainly.
mircea_popescu: no, i know, which is why i ask, what's the style here
ben_vulpes: i did use one final BOOST_FOREACH in the output serialization.
mircea_popescu: question is very general and low priority : "just how far does the stick to 4 rather than 2 space indents thing goes ?".
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-14 21:17:35: <danielpbarron> aaand i have done it. i have a laptop that powers on and without any other touching will end up at the eulora login screen. then when you quit, it drops down to gdb where you can run it again or quit. if you quit, the machine shuts down
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655564 << easy to test when complete, easy to show that it does not work, not easy to test in the sense of "i have changed implementation details, and would like to see how the system behaves now"
ben_vulpes: one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i have a patch in abeyance that fixes the test target. i'll bring that out of the refrigerator and start wiring this new IsMine implementation into it.
trinque: no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet
ben_vulpes: absolutely, but you can use the previous method today, and this thing promises to take a while.
trinque: deposits shall be a human process in either case; I'll just have more to do manually until this thing's done
ben_vulpes: tail the debug log for processblock: accepted, and then dump the height mentioned in that line
ben_vulpes: trinque: you can do this today with the slicer i published a while back
trinque still haxing on the deedbot invoicer anyway, but at some point will greatly appreciate a way to track address balances without having privkeys around
ben_vulpes: i'm going to step away from testing the indexer /in toto/, and plug this IsMine overload into the test target
mod6: aside from that, i have no further comments at this time, i've neither read it closly, compiled, nor tested this vpatch.
ben_vulpes: lolyes, also worth pointing out that the patch is indented at 2 spaces when the rest of trb is indented at 4
mod6: (style considerations and grinding can be left off until later. as I was saying before, ``first we make it work, then we make it pretty'')
mod6: typically, i like to be explicit over implicit, and that's just one of these little things.
mod6: one of the things that, in a 9 second quick review of this that I asked him to consider was in the implementation of "IsMine"; Specifically, "Consider: What do I return from IsMine if I iterate over the entire list and never find a OP_PUBKEYHASH?".
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: followed the apparently inevitable curve of 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the c-students who ...'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also of interest was the discussion of the slow ~debasement~ of seppuku -- first the introduction of 'kaishaku' or beheader-secondant himself; then later the earlier and earlier finishing stroke, with scarcely any cuts; then the disappearance even of the knife, and replacement with substitutes (fan, pen, etc) for 'token' performance
asciilifeform: megatonnes of liquishit of every description; the 1 good survey of a subject in english - nodice
asciilifeform tries, fails to find any scan of the mega-b00k (it is small - 100pg) on www.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the view has legs.
asciilifeform: seppuku per se was the cherry on that particular cake, and quite integral part of the scheme.
asciilifeform: seppuku-era jp is quite interesting to asciilifeform because it , you could say, took mircea_popescu's 'people-going-their-own-way-is-retarded' knob and ran with it, turned 'to eleven'
asciilifeform: many interesting details re particulars of the procedure also ( not of the physical aspects, these are well known - but of humint prepwork prior to ordering a seppukation - gotta make sure the 'star' of the show doesn't bolt )
asciilifeform: also apparently bakufu (shogunate) government had serious problem with 'my commander died, now i will seppuku', and tried to suppress it ( subordinate belongs serving the old master's son, what a waste ) but repeatedly failed.
mircea_popescu: the problem of course being that competent ruler doesn't need you to cut your head off, and incompetent ruler too thick in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i confess i can't imagine how the suicide of competeny, loyal underlying could fail to drive competent ruler to redress.