mircea_popescu: oh i see then...
mircea_popescu: "oh, you mean you want me to work for $institution for free ?" "yes, it's prestige!!! you realising any portion of the value you add would make the value you add worth less--for us!"
mircea_popescu: somehow twisted "ethics" into justifying the practice.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck anyone would be on a "committee" is beyond my meagre imaginative powers.
asciilifeform listens for the sound of atlases shrugging
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/19/the-oppressiveness-of-the-casual-dress-code/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The oppressiveness of the casual dress code.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ << plox to share with whatever not-dumb people you might know.
asciilifeform: ( often you can desolder and replace, but 1) good luck sourcing the exact part 2) you'll never get the legs back on properly )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ? << fair enough.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 21:26 ben_vulpes: shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked
ben_vulpes: in other holy shits i never knew: "jfli A descendent of Rich Hickeyâs pre-Clojure work on the JVM."
shinohai: Fuck, I imagine MP would fund the whole thing and tell us all to keep our bits to purchase popcorn with.
shinohai: When you refered to an object of the hardware variety.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: mx revolution was the only mouse that i ever actually liked
shinohai: These idiots revolutionize everything.
mircea_popescu: but in other wtfs, meteorologists report it already rained here 30% more than average for the whole month.
mircea_popescu: did i tell you about rthe mango-pineapple jam i made ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, all piped, the grades are insane.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ever told you about the time i traded color tv set for flat in condo ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not terribly expensive, let's put it that way. not a steal either.
asciilifeform: which services would these be ? maybe we oughta compare mircea_popescu's part/join ticker vs his time in ar
mircea_popescu: ironically, while cr is in fact just about that, it has better services than argentina. or the us, for the most part.
asciilifeform: as for the cr photos -- i gotta admit, buenos aires looked like a civilized city, esp in contrast. whereas cr looks moar like what asciilifeform imagined 'banana republic' when reading as a child.
ben_vulpes: "we'll even throw this shitty kia in for another 10k!"
asciilifeform: as folx unzipped & pissed, asciilifeform immediately thought 'perhaps THIS is the mythical Cheap Real Estate'
asciilifeform: i'd rather buy that dump in timis
asciilifeform: 'because if it were less, rabid asciilifeforms could show up and buy'em and THEN wat do'
asciilifeform is haunted by the notion that constant-time karatsuba gotta exist SOMEWHERE
mircea_popescu: this is, in fact, the standard for what math is.
mircea_popescu: there isn't in math a possible classification of errors. any one is sufficient to "prove" all others.
mircea_popescu: ie, ANY error, no matter how justified, IS, exactly, ~exactly~ equal any other.,
asciilifeform: [insert massive, week-long mathewank here]
asciilifeform: because that's the standard for distinguishing an axiom from an arbitrary notational.
mircea_popescu: anyway, danielpbarron original approach, ie with limits of functionals, is imo also the correct one. and in this perspective f ^ g when both f and g ->0 is properly undefined.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that key gen that takes a year, instead of 10yrs, is still not useful.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.
mircea_popescu: n ^ 0 is practically speaking the mathematical notation of aristotle's prime mover. "before anything, everything was one."
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strong argument is ex nihilo nihil. n ^ 0 is validly something, but 0 processed in any way can't properly make anything besides itself.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:41 asciilifeform: there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world
mircea_popescu: yes, but could equally well argue it should equal 0 on the basis that 0*x = 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:23 phf: when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659332 << seeds store fabulously well. they found viable lower empire wheat in pyramid-buried amphora, 3-4k years old.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it was when i went to hs, but i figured they've progressed past that
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:12 phf: i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659318 << maybe i'm not getting what you're saying, but how are the mutations to occur in a vault ? they're not growing and producing seeds and growing again, are they ? or you want to examine what, individual embryo cells ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 19:08 phf: you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659313 << there are no deficiencies of current design, nor could there be. she is perfect in every way as she is and she shouldn't ever change.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 16:23 mircea_popescu: btw, you know the famous case of buridan's ass yes ?
mircea_popescu: "anything multipled by 0 is 0 ; anything raised to the power of 0 is 1." call http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656407
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 18:48 mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659265 << has this ever not been the case, ever since the demise of mel ?
mircea_popescu: ics are these things that go into the fridge so you can play mario while figuring out what to take out of it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 << there's no real reason to support anything other than 4096.
asciilifeform: but the continued (not so seekrit) existence of, e.g., american biowar programme, suggests that the 'old flame' has not yet entirely gone out.
asciilifeform: so they switched to 'slow poison'
asciilifeform: early on (1960s) when su got nuke parity, it was decided that the nuke pathway probably won't work
asciilifeform: so that usg and its catamites could have their 1,001-year-reich
asciilifeform: there is, however, a logical (if you will) component . there's a school of thought among lizards - normally ted turner is the name that comes up, but only because he afaik was the only unabashed, publicly confessed adherent -- that it'd be nice, from lizard pov, to physically exterminate the (actual) free world
phf: well, i think mythological devices are not inherently bad as long as they have some aesthetic value to it. problems is most of these projects are mythology for progressive bureaucrats, so they are fully stripped of aesthetics and only have implied didactic value. sort of like a church with an angry god, but no awesome transcendent
asciilifeform: so long as advertised later to have been 'repaired and good as new and with further climatechangeproofing' slathered on top.
asciilifeform: at any rate i can scarcely picture what the advertised vault could be other than a targeting decoy.
asciilifeform: they'll store.
phf: when i said mutations, i meant the iterative selection stuff. i don't know how well the seeds store, and if they don't, then there's not much of a point to the whole thing.
asciilifeform: dna rots 'in situ', while not being copied, just as in the usual process.
phf: there's no aha, we're talking about inert seeds. mutations happen as part of selection process in reproduction cycle
asciilifeform: rather than external 'cosmic ray' etc
asciilifeform: they happen mostly from decay of organism's own K-40.
ben_vulpes: i was laboring under the delusion that it /was/ a long now project!
asciilifeform: mutations will happen at ~same rate in the vault.
phf: i think if not for an implicit whiny political message, it could've been a nifty long now project. if nothing else, a seed repository for museum purposes. it would be, for example, interesting to observe natural mutations that might take place from now till the vault is consulted
asciilifeform: it's to be seen as ~exactly like the lavish nuke-shelters (complete with underground casino and whorehouse) americans like to build.
asciilifeform: only monsantotronic ones ( and even these, somewhat of a stretch )
asciilifeform: there are no ~natural~ disasters where the 'seed vault' thing would turn out to be an asset.
phf: you'd think, in an engineering project, rather then a political one, an incident like that is a welcome opportunity to go back to drawing board and attempt to address the deficiencies of current design
trinque: all flavors of cowardice begging mother to remove all possible failures, death mostest.
ben_vulpes: no buddy, you are now in the business of maintaining computronium/gardens.
phf: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/19/arctic-stronghold-of-worlds-seeds-flooded-after-permafrost-melts
trinque: moral obligation to shoot anyone who begins "seeding atmosphere with reflective whatevers" or meddling impulse of the day
asciilifeform: btw so far all i know is inference from ben_vulpes's headline. wouldja link to the original, ben_vulpes , plox ??
phf: “failsafe“ even the article puts it in quotes
asciilifeform: 'maybe we can make seeds scarce one day, by fucking with weather' 'and guess what, only source of new ones will be usg!'
asciilifeform: the sheer megalomania of 'seed vault' was breathtaking, even compared to, say, u.s. nuke network
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform: there is no money, in modern usg reich, in SOLVING a problem
asciilifeform: just like them cyclotrons
ben_vulpes: omfg the willful ignorance and self-deception.
asciilifeform: hey, it ain't a disaster, it's practically a cheque for 4x the grantolade
ben_vulpes: and then it flooded because you didn't actually call the actuaries and ask how likely the permafrost was to melt in the next millino years
ben_vulpes: > No seeds were lost but the ability of the rock vault to provide failsafe protection against all disasters is now threatened by climate change
Framedragger: (meanwhile at the zoo http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html )
asciilifeform: i know what the retarded solutions look like, at this point ALL of the published ones, i'd bet, i've read. if i wanted to perpetrate the same retardation, i'd simply use one of'em.
asciilifeform: i'd write whole thing in asm then.
asciilifeform: understand, the constant term doesn't matter.
mod6: i.e. is the compiler adding bloat that you didn't expect?
asciilifeform: of course it is even easier if idiot luser uses 'library' or 'os api' crypto. hence why the insistent and incessant schneiering, 'don't write own crypto!'
asciilifeform: 'i know! the number of bits equalling 1! i'ma broadcast'
asciilifeform: but having a 'mul' instruction is in fact a thing on the same continuum!
asciilifeform: the multiplication problem is incidentally a textbook instance of 'specificity of diddling'. if someone offered any of you a cpu that has a 'rsa instruction', you'd barf. because very clearly paints a target for the enemy, giving him info he has no business having re what you intend to eat, when, with what spoon
asciilifeform: see also this d00d's -- https://bearssl.org/ctmul.html -- attempt to solve the problem in the maximally backwards, utterly ill-conceived ways.
asciilifeform: witness, incidentally, the lack of a 'constant-MUL' instruction on any extant cpu.
asciilifeform: that there is NO guarantee that MUL/IMUL (or equiv. on other cpu) is constant time !!
asciilifeform: a 'schoolbook' (word-by-word, using * (which will compile to IMUL instr on x86) multiplier will be faster than the 'egyptian' one. the catch is,
asciilifeform: possibly i explained this next bit, but can't seem to find it in the l0gz, so will post here ftr :
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall.
ben_vulpes: in other peak oil news, fuel inventories filling again.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that this is actually ~usable for pgp-like use
asciilifeform: which is not mega-surprise, the op is O(N^5).
asciilifeform: (recall, it dun matter what the operands are equal to)
asciilifeform: in other news, a 4096-bit A**B takes approx 14 seconds (3GHz) .
asciilifeform: as for 'ar is too far', d00d was (from his pov) poor -- a small wad of btc, but the damocle's sword of having to do honest work one day, loomed; then he 'sold the motherland' and now rich, problemsolved.
mircea_popescu: which was the thing, back then, "of course he's not going -- to ag or anywhere else. too far from home, country boy."
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only reason this is lulzy is because (different) girl estimated him incapable of going further than a few hundred miles for cultural / mentality reasons.
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether he made a cn stop
asciilifeform: hey, not even china, first nz, then th !
mircea_popescu: then they worry about ~my~ bitcoin income. i suppose cows also worry about human dwelling -- no large salt rock in livingroom, how do those poor people live!
mircea_popescu: which takes us right back to the kako lulz. i was sitting with girl earlier, idly observed "check out that dork, argentina was too far for him. china -- not. what the fuck is wrong with people." and she explained. "you know what it is. bitcoin went up. you're thinking, eh, he made hundreds, what does he care. he cares -- because he mostly sold them as he got them, good little soviet."
mircea_popescu: well yes, the thing is weak in all articulations, including that one.
mircea_popescu: cow finds out how to walk on two legs, extract ore, smelt metal, build helicopter, fly over to californy come back with another bushel of oats ? what is this, supercow al rescate ?
mircea_popescu: conceivably someone in the eg donner party went over to the cattle, to tell them that they're fucked, feed's running out, etc. if they did, there was certainly no observable change in cattle behaviour. the fuck were they gonna do ?
mircea_popescu: the result of making all possible change, even the most dismal and unimportant, mindboggling expensive is a large set of cows. they dun care. why shouyld they care ? while the oats & hay lasts they eat and foal ; once it ends it ends. that's all.
mircea_popescu: can't even argue with it. in their environment, it dun pay to care. what's gonna happen, gunman shows up massacres the lot ? hurr, not like ~anything their brains could come up with'd help in that situation. what other environmental pressure do they encounter ? nothing surmountable. if the corp trough has pepsi that day, they can stand on fuckiong head won't get coke. "company policy".
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure that's right, they literally don't give a shit about anything that's further out than lunch break / takes more thought than lulzpic etc.
asciilifeform: 100% mutual hallucination, 'we close our eyes and there is no wolf'
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 15:53 ben_vulpes: the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659175 << afaik the monero users give approx. as much shit as the tor users gave .
asciilifeform: which is a little odd, for a d00d supposedly relaxing in the company of fine whores on thai beaches
asciilifeform: he never gets tired, either.
asciilifeform: i guess this was not the intended usage .
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 13:14 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Im all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2017#1471209 << for entomologists -- typical example of kako thread , we had 1,001 of these since dragon day. read one, read'em all.
ben_vulpes: the actual lolz are fluffyponzi ignoring "hey, gonna make that 'monero blockchain integrity scan' reproducible?" in favor of "we had to keep it secret because other cryptonotes were vulnerable"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just the typical "inflate inflate!" if you remember that guy
mircea_popescu: just what perpetually lazy greeks & co need --- bout time for another "marshall plan".
ben_vulpes: well it took months, but the shannonizers have finally figured out that #bitcoin-assets doesn't have a voice model
mircea_popescu: basically, they're not afraid. this bodes well for fiat o.O
mircea_popescu: (but, worry not -- "climate change" activism is there!)
mircea_popescu: otherwise, inside given cultural space, shit catches on. but no dominant one in us like there was in su (yes, the aspie 14% keeps trying to pretend, but ain't nearly the same thing).
mircea_popescu: soviet jokes also "didn't catch on", which became a joke in itself -- teh georgians dun understand all these muscovy joeks!
mircea_popescu: no culture. nothing can "catch on" in any meaningful sense. romania is a nation, the us is a sort of india.
asciilifeform: they could still say, e.g., 'clitler'.
mircea_popescu: it has no culture, no history ; it has no business class, no anything. what exactly would they say ? compared to whom.
mircea_popescu: the us entirely consists of political idiots.
mircea_popescu: but the intension is strictly that gay bottom.
mircea_popescu: they kept calling him that. possibly on some grounds, but i never fucked him myself so...
mircea_popescu: well, there was this ro version of le canard enchaine ; it was really good. for half a decade or so, absolutely mandatory reading. some shit in there i laughed at for days.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: them's different - for show
mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of losers who imagine these objects are a sort of holy amulet, and the only reason they dun do anything is because "they don't want to", but if "one day" they "decided" to "use them" then WHAM!
mircea_popescu: eh, he's a pasty. wtf does he know about guns or shooting them.
mircea_popescu: which is why i even bothered pointing it out to him, "you fucking idiot, you're STILL defending "the state" wtf is wrong with you."
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- was a major victory for the us dept of nuland, because thsi was the first time local aristocracy actrually got the black treatment. guy took it verypersonal, tried to shoot self, had a hole in jaw for a while.
asciilifeform: not most 'corporate' types, either
mircea_popescu: in this specific case, for taking a bribe in the form of some electoral campaign materials some other dudes gave some other dudes in exchange for what some other dudes did.
mircea_popescu: what for ? well, for being a contemptible low life. plenty of shit to convict her of, if you actually were to apply you know, "the iron hand of teh law" that black dudes with a nickle bag keep running into.
mircea_popescu: this question allows multiple answers. but basically, suppose trump actually was traian basescu. then clinton WOULD be in jail.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the garden hose dept: https://68.media.tumblr.com/bafd84df5f5053c1908ecdda09bc925b/tumblr_n7wf6rQerO1tc0kc4o7_500.gif
asciilifeform: sky's the limit
mircea_popescu: and aquarelle in the shower ?
asciilifeform: and a comp in the shitter
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps the definitive difference between genders, that man would love nothing more than for woman to do something useful while he fucks her.
phf: the three witches from macbeth! i always imagine them cackling. so you're walking around the street, hear cackling, which is a kind of call of inevitability, you shake it off like "begone, chimera, must be some weird beard, nothing else" but you ~know~
mircea_popescu: https://adriannastase.ro/2017/05/13/statul-roman/comment-page-1/#comment-164967 << item in question, for the passionated.
mircea_popescu: nah, that was ion iliescu, president. they teaqmed up for a while though.\
mircea_popescu: was pm for a few years. anyway, he wrote some derpage about "the state", and i wrote a scathing comment.
shinohai: Perhaps the macho can be balanced with a dose of `rico suave`
mircea_popescu: phf the who ?
mircea_popescu: dude! the ro guy, ex-con ex-pm ? actually published my comment. color me impressed.
phf: you sure it's not one of them wayward sisters?
mircea_popescu: there's also a bird that cackles, literally. so we'd be fucking or talking or w/e, and the bird is a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
mircea_popescu: there's also an insect that sounds EXACTLY like a dying fan
mircea_popescu: phf costa rica has a bird, does the EXACT FUCNING NOISE
mircea_popescu: remember those things ? more steel on them than on today's toyota.
asciilifeform: i got one of these in a box, that still worked last i saw
mircea_popescu: my most frustrating experience in this vein was back in dos dies, one of those maxtor 40mb, dick-tall drives. which i thought properly immortal, at the time.
phf: nope, recompiled the binary from different file, new name, etc. same result. it's something about how cmucl packs an executable
mircea_popescu: is the drive dying just-so ?
phf: asciilifeform: that would be the first guess, but `which` disagrees
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that phf had ~another~ foo in his path
asciilifeform: when i'm satisfied with the numerics, incl. primality test, i'ma genesis it..
mircea_popescu: y. one tends to go around naked and slather peanut butter on himself, the other tends to behave as if the panties were glued on, there's really no substantial difference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re other point : i dun believe there is such a thing as an autodidact. everyone that knows anything learned that thing, themselves. no one can learn outside of an environment, and there is no deeper relevancy to convention of the time than that -- convention of the time. dude who learns in dark room is going to be weird one way, girly that learns in room with other girlies and teacher is going to be weird the other wa
asciilifeform: 'P' will, i suspect, get some unexpected use as number theory sandbox for n00bz
mircea_popescu: look at the euler curve all you want, it dun satisfactorily resolve it.
mircea_popescu: but they don't want to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pit is mandatory. the only diff b/w mircea_popescu's pitpets and dour autodidacts is that the pets occasionally get to leave the pit
mircea_popescu: or w/e, maybe i'm behind the times.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't thinking of anything specific, past the indeed kindergarten intuition that there's more to the triplet than we figured out.
mircea_popescu: deride, deride, but half the world's magic works on this!
asciilifeform pictures tmsr number theory school. it's an earthen pit, with an old kindergarten textb00k...
mircea_popescu: what ~else~ can i predict, and looking at what exactly inside the two factors ?
mircea_popescu: i could predict this without looking at the 5.
mircea_popescu: also incidentally : what is the relation between arbitrary modulo, factorization, and reducing mults to adds ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine he means that it overflow between the exp and the modular steps.
asciilifeform: which in turn must sit down in the width given
asciilifeform: how would it? result is necessarily < the modulo
asciilifeform: other thing: ~modular~ exp can't oveflow !
asciilifeform: ave1: i also suspect that it would be simpler ~and~ faster to predict the overflow by finding eldest-bit of operands
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 22:08 asciilifeform: 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657602 << "i've been thinking, so i've bought" the system works!
ave1: Yes, I understand, it would add n bits times m ops where n is 4096 at the minimum (already the pow takes a lot of time with the MUL and SQR in there)
asciilifeform: ( remember, we have ~fixed~ size integers, unlike other bignumtrons , they ~won't~ stretch to the absurd length you would need if you used div-after )
mircea_popescu: so the whole hiding song and dance has nothing to do with anything.
ave1: asciillifeform: ah, I understand I will do some more thinking on this, having a div after the mul and sqr would be less ideal, but an arbitrary modulo sqr and mul would be interesting
mircea_popescu: yet he wears clothes.
mircea_popescu wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if all this "big data" utilization is 0.0000 ppm.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck easier just pretending like the hairspray tubes are REALLY mics. google makes this easy now.
mircea_popescu: problem of modernity is nobody wants to listen. that nobody has anything to say worth listening to is obviously sufficient cause for that ; but the nobodies in question would much rather approach the problem from the former horn than the latter. good god, having something to say worth listening to sounds like it'd take effort.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 11:24 Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658981 << contrary to shutin consensus, most chicks at the bar are slipping themselves roofies in desperation. if he didn't make it as a singer, at least maybe google thinks him a star ?
asciilifeform: ave1: div-at-the-end mod-exp won't work for, e.g., rsa
ave1: I've been working on SQR, but although I can lower the number of steps, the operations per step go up, so far only 10% overall speed-up
ave1: Plus I assumed modulo was to be on the FZ size, arbitrary module would involve a IDIV at the end (or mask if module will be some power of 2)
ave1: asciilifeform: Well, i wanted to save the carry from the square and include it when needed but I made a mistake: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658947
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: srsly :D ("i trust the back alley guy to only give me the tip; it wouldn't be nice if he wasn't honest about it. but if he said he'd fuck me in the ass from the get go, i guess that's ok")
Framedragger: "According to Google, it will only send voice data back when it hears the keyword. Now if it explicitly goes against its own stated privacy policy, that's a breach of trust I would not be happy with. That said, if they explicitly stated they send all audio back, I'd actually be fine with that too."
Framedragger: just HN things - on google home (the "send all audio to google" appliance): "I have one, it's convenient and lets me control my home in what feels like a natural way. Personally, I don't see the downside of having it. Note; I mean I don't acknowledge a downside from my perspective. I'm fully aware that it's always listening and sending data home when it hears a keyword."
shinohai: A frozen chicken tender lovingly heated by Mom in the microwave before opening the second bottle of vodka.
shinohai: Might cut into the reddit posting time
mircea_popescu: hey. they dun got time!
shinohai: Well despite the fact it took me what felt like eons, i did read ref client src when I started fiddling with trb.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1658940 << open source dood, aren't you familiar with the "just the facts" horde yet ?
BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2017/05/cost-of-running-shitware-continues-bull-run-to-the-moon/#comment-97654
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.