mircea_popescu: i swear the loony reservation is doing things to your head. you ended up baking in us "consumer protection" laws at some level.
asciilifeform: ah these no
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you buy it over the internet, too ?
asciilifeform: plain and simple. ( it drives off the dealer lot, suddenly loses 10k in value, lol )
mod6: asciilifeform: you'd be better of renting a boat if you just wanna have some fun. if you want escape-hatch, then you escape, buy boat later at where ever with translator et al.
asciilifeform: incidentally 'industrial process offers a guarantee of sameness and conformity', 'natural decay DOES NOT' is not wholly given : there exists such a thing as turdalicious production processes, and -- on opposite end -- the 'bathtub curve' of winnowing
mircea_popescu: all items coming off the factory line are worth ~same within a few percents, AND the whole fucking world is out there trying to figure out FOR YOU, on their own dime, what that SAME is.
mircea_popescu: so don't buy it new in the us, buy it new in china.
mircea_popescu: the schmuck above, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672451 like so many equal schmucks before him, thought "read logs and get into tmsr ? THAT MEANS NEVER!!!! LOG TOO LONG!!!" etc.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck will you evaluate anything about it ?
asciilifeform: if the 'replaced and renovated everything!111' is in fact tru
mod6: the ocean is a desert. i don't think i could do that for extended time.
mod6: the boat?!
asciilifeform considered buying the orloltron
mircea_popescu: (perhaps also of note, what piddly orlol boats pass for "the yacht!! of a mobster!!!" in rotardland.)
mircea_popescu: (yet another of ex ro president traian basescu's harem was finally "found" by teh ro tards. this one is an actual general no less, and organised more parties / ows-likes than ~anyone in the us).
mircea_popescu: send them home, it's all fruhstuck't.
shinohai: Happy Solstice/day of there was nothing to say all along Day !
mircea_popescu: thereby making june 21st the republican "day of there was nothing to say all along" and a holiday.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
mircea_popescu: normally this happens "privately" as per usg.freenode's notion of that, but since http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672501 i figure what the hell, we can have one public day.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/21/i-know-the-last-train-is-leaving-the-station-but-thats-ok-ill-grab-the-next-one/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “I know the last train is leaving the station but that’s ok I’ll grab the next one.”
mircea_popescu: she could show him her tits anonymously while carefully hiding her face. they'd both get more sex and sex alikes mileage out of the arrangement.
mircea_popescu: no, they stuck with reddit.
mircea_popescu: they look like a poster image for "why india should not really even exist".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's this big bin of folx who ain't gotta look good to anybody, in particular.
erlehmann: “make the call”?
asciilifeform: castes -- exist. and i can even see the argument, that one oughta be able to make the call from 10 metres, rather than burn away 10minutes of yer life listening to a wikipedian
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 20:27 phf: hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672706 << they do. and not forget, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-06#1318952 as a stand-in for shit-academia. though i suppose obama would work just as well, "constitutional law scholar". read motherfucking constitution of ghana.
asciilifeform: and their buffering -- is shit
asciilifeform: the 'net splits' also splices.
mircea_popescu: so in the same sense kentucky fried chicken isn't "something that is happening" nor "something you could be part of", neither is "african american" or white, or wmaf or w/e the shit already.
trinque: curious bot behavior lately. the thing has to be receiving pongs from something, or it'd close and restart.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672689 << the other major problem with "race" as a wholly-devoid-of-meaning anglotard subcultural construct is that... well... it's a brand, see. licenseable, negotiable like any other "negotiable instrument" ie paper money. there's no substantial difference between "Black & Decker power tools hecho en Mexico" and "African with tribal tatoo made in Chicago" and finally http://trilema.com/201
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for as long as there's slop trickle in stable, pig won't find truffles in forest.
mircea_popescu: shit im not there yet. SPOILERS!
asciilifeform: sorta why there even exists a twatter, or a bock
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 19:36 erlehmann: > I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
asciilifeform: 'as above, so below' (tm)(r)(the alchemists)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, 1970s parents even had internalised this whole thing into daily speech. "don't make me come over there!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone (other than fly going splat) in earnest that it was accident.
mircea_popescu: i will also note that there's a very interesting relation between... i mean! it is almost always the case culture shock engenders #trilema conversations. and it is at least in principle possible to measure how interesting rthey are ; and then to relate that value to just how shocky the shock is. it'd seem moderate shock like eg erlehmann works a lot better than full on blast splatting like the fly earlier today.
asciilifeform: it's the one fixed star in all of'em.
asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
asciilifeform: and woe be unto you if producer (iosif vissarionovich!) shows up to the set!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. "don't fucking tell me it can't be done, they've done it which is why there's bombs falling everywhere"
mircea_popescu: this confluence of a) forming an idea (why can't you deepthroat ? SHE CAN!) and b) having a lab is the key to all everytrhings.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but back upstack : it'd be perhaps fair to say that it wasn't porn ~per se~ that changed the world from pantsuit to breathable. it was the fortunate situation that just as the chick in every young household had been exposed to other girls outperforming her, the dude could then afford a cam and so he could go "ok, get to work bitch".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as result, i suspect, of missing the 'silver age' etc, asciilifeform never imprinted on the various kabukis of the genre
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that. i dunno, really. filming physiology is not pornography. there's a certain intersection of cultural items to make porn, and i'd say it expired just about the time michael jackson was completing his diana bowie-ross morphism.
erlehmann: seems someone … did the deed?
erlehmann: (spoiler: goebbels was an angsty wimp, despised other nazis, described hitler as “his only friend”)
mircea_popescu: golden age of porn was the vhs. silver age of porn was the early internet paysite, which if i recall the figures correctly were hit 80% dialup, then a few years later 60%, and then a few more years like 5% or so, and the cheap digicams were everywhere
asciilifeform: rather was thinking of age of 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wasn't speaking of the 'age of porn-makes-money', i wasn't there to see either end of it.
erlehmann: i had a lot of fun with this and the goebbels diaries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly. by the time broadband + sonycams hit, it was already gone, and i was already out.
erlehmann: for those who know german, i can suggest „die läufige leinwand“ from christian kessler, a book about american hardcore porn from 1970 to 1985. maybe there exists a translation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, to properly appreciate the change one should have been born no later than 62 or so. be in your mid 20s in mid 80s.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the internet as a not-apple-paysite even exists in the first place because it allowed its silver age ; and in so allowing also destroyed, of course, but different discussion.
mircea_popescu: porn changed the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider, if you're curious, the shift in the implicit social attitudes as reflected by mid 80s and late 90s sit coms.
mircea_popescu: eh, no, no. this was a golden age in the very true and proper sense of "like bitcoin", ie, realligning social order pressures available.
asciilifeform: homo redditicus falls for the novelty
asciilifeform: 'there was a golden age' of almost anything - even of begging: iirc the first d00d to conceive of begging via pisspal or what was it, made bank
mircea_popescu: i know, for i was there. and it was glorious.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann not even a bronze age, now. with all the "webcam" sadness. but there WAS a golden age.
erlehmann: the director told me at our date that she tried to weed out the ones doing porn mainly for money during castings because it paid so bad and she suspected they would not be satisfied with the pay.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672657 << because they hired the talking grizzly's papa back in the day (when they had muzzles and hot irons at the ready) and nothing has changed!!1
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i don't think anyone alive made as much money per time, at the time. so in this sense i guess i was a fully professional... banker ?
mircea_popescu: im theoretically technically promising, but practically rather inept. i don't even drive.
mircea_popescu: i mean director can't NOT be on the set.
mircea_popescu: director can't be on the set. producer on the set is a clear symptom of serious trouble, like white cell count
mircea_popescu: think in terms of the old crime world. producer is the fixer, he gets some guy's house for the weekend. director is the office manager, he makes sure all the cunts end up on the couch and all the film cans in the lab.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, typically. much like fluffer and pornstar are separate.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:27 phf: they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672652 << you're definitely on to something there. the act without meaning is long gone in the world of "meanings" devoid of any acts. every single time withjout exception captain brezer0 runs into tmsr, the remnants splattered everywhere consist entirely of "here's this collection of signifiers i had"
asciilifeform: ( and are they, typically..? )
mircea_popescu: (and, afore anyone asks, the porn ~~~PRODUCER~~~ ie what i did is the one who fucks when feels like, rather then as a group behaviour.)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
asciilifeform: they dun have konsoomer credit in cn ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're pale copies of china.
mircea_popescu: ah. at issue was the social dynamic. "average income in your country is $500/year, which you can onl;y have in paper gift certificates, and shitty apartment that is prerequisite for maybe getting a bad blowjob on odd weekends is $2mn in gold."
asciilifeform: the matchboxes, i mean
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, no need to even go as far as beijing, we have this right here in northern gringolandia
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:23 BingoBoingo: ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672642 << just you wait till these entitled cumquats living comfortably in the west find out what "AM" born in beijing has to accomplish to get even a vague shot at an unhappy, single-woman western style marriage thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672641 << this is eerily persuasive, actually. either bowie or diana ross.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:14 erlehmann: i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
phf: hmm, that last picture gave me a lizard overload for the day, did it to myself though.
phf: hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
erlehmann: because that seems like, the first thing that comes to mind when encountering embedded private keys, right?
erlehmann: > I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
erlehmann: > Last weekend, in an attempt to get Sky's NOW TV video player (for Mac) to work on my machine, I noticed that one of the Cisco executables contains a private key that is associated with the public key in a trusted certificate for a cisco.com sub domain.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: uppity white folx expelled at the drop of a hat
trinque: the irony of this person being called a hacker makes me lol every time I have to get involved with setting up a printer.
ben_vulpes: everyone gets ticket, some might get ejected but lord with the stories coming out of the inner cities i don't even give that much credence.
asciilifeform: but otherwise similar iirc
asciilifeform: ( and even there -- doubt, possibly only room in oven, for some )
phf: situationists actually were very sensitive to that subject, and notoriously trolled anyone who would imply there is such a thing as "situation-ism"
asciilifeform: last i heard, the 1 place where everybody gets guaranteed admission ticket, is cemetery
asciilifeform: the 'somethings, such that One Could Be Part Of' is a thing with very exaggerated existence to begin with
phf: erlehmann: yes, but with two clarifications. i specifically don't think that "something", that one could be part of, is actually happening when it comes to "race" at the moment. (i might find out otherwise years from now, but it would be totally unrelated to the public conversation that's happening right now)
erlehmann: many people do not care about their own smell. i find mine really nice.
trinque: imagine the creature born with a scent repulsive to itself.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672617 << bahaha, erlehmann's over there with yesterday's boxers on his head
asciilifeform: ( chinese folx are observably clever enough to sometimes signal 'we kowtow' without actually ~doing~ any such thing -- as per the infamous july '15 forklulz
asciilifeform: lol did they finally surrender to stupid
asciilifeform: witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
asciilifeform: witness the chinese folx in africa -- they do no such thing, first thing they do is to put up a perimeter of barbed wire, mine field, and interlocking sectors of fire. and ain't nobody darker than proverbial paper bag, permitted inside, ever again.
erlehmann: phf another case of “talking about X does not make you part of X”?
phf: so protesting and facebooking and posting pinterest pictures of molotov cocktail manuals that nobody's actually tried making in the their kitchen, etc.
phf: they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Don't feel bad. The Boers can't hire gardeners anymore either due to Obama-cares http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179171/Walkerville-family-murders-Horrific-death-boy-12-drowned-boiling-water-robbers-raped-mother.html
phf: because adding any other qualifiers to fashion makes it somehow special. nothing special is happening here, it's a bunch of bored people trying out different clothes, signaling, etc.
phf: i think these fashions are a balance between youthful rebelling and popular things that are normalized as time passes. but the present "race" narrative has nothing to do with anything, it's simply a fashion conversation.
BingoBoingo: uch above that. But dating issues, rejection, attraction are a part of the Hapa problems we describe. "
BingoBoingo: ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
phf: well, "everyone". these fashion go through phases. 80s were all about androgyny for example to the extent that present time is no longer
erlehmann: neither black nor white, male or female, adult or child (… and now: dead or alive)
asciilifeform: wholly orthogonal to the mhc thing
erlehmann: in general, i have the impression that whitey-whites tend to smell bad more easily
erlehmann: with the woman who could smell alzheimer's?
asciilifeform: erlehmann: recall the tshirt experiment ?
erlehmann: i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
mircea_popescu: and didn't they smell weird ?
mod6: asciilifeform: i can imagine that there's some stuff to it, ya.
erlehmann: i don't get racist propaganda. if there is really nothing better holding people together than race, that seems like a very low common denominator.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> In other near misses, an almost Omidyar's almost Qntra http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/08/teenagers-held-captive-and-gang-raped-at-st-paul-park/ << thanks for posting.
BingoBoingo: More lol: "sure, white society is obsessed with castration anxiety; fear of being cucked by blacks, muslim rapist gangs and the final myth affirming white masculinity was being able to 'out-masculine' the stereotype of asian males in white society. Shattering that myth with the reality of successful Asian men, re-affirms the belief in the white male that he himself truly is the beta cuck that he is."
BingoBoingo: http://orig13.deviantart.net/fca2/f/2017/113/c/b/the_japanese_mind_by_dogstralia-db6u51c.png
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's obc << I'm guessing dalits. I dunno all their internal slurs
BingoBoingo: "No wonder the genetically superior brahmanas considered it the worst sin to so much as even lay their hands on obc gutter swines"
phf: i'm going to rewatch it. this logs idea that british empire (or what was remaining of it) was destroyed in wwii made me reevaluate a lot of the 20th century events, and it's neat to look at these things through new frame
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i dare say it couldn't have been said smoother-er.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
erlehmann: this is pure comedy gold. i bow before the abrasiveness http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672450
mircea_popescu: let alone wanted to be under the flag of.
mircea_popescu: except their notion of british looks more like "son of ghandi" than anything the actual 1790 brits would have recognized
mircea_popescu: phf it was something else, the stoic british officer who fixes everything through being so very british!
erlehmann: so the first response to epigraph was like “why not explain a more interesting topic like ebola transmission?”
mircea_popescu: "if i can't get one to be mine in private, maybe we could get them to be ours as a group ???"
mircea_popescu: i vaguely suspect the whole point of the exercise is to somehow stroke the "womenz belong to us" fantasy.
phf: i've seen it long time ago, but the only part i remember about it is the heavy handed agitprop. but that's the tail end of british empire, so there is probably something to "dependable serious folk". i think it was in a handful of war novels too (slaughterhouse five maybe?) the whole "british officer" thing
BingoBoingo: Compare to the counter trolling https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1477/57/1477576657610.png
BingoBoingo: Or that what dudes get azans because spooks and slants are taking all the white wimmins.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the elliots think Whitey can't get a date?
mircea_popescu: well, missing the mixing. but something like that.
mircea_popescu: somewhat similar to how hela is just one of many sorta-woman sorta-hpv combinations out there, a set much more diverse than either woman or hpv.
mircea_popescu: creoles (which is the name for two-ethnic mixtures, unless you prefer mongrels) are significantly more variant as a group than either antecessor group.
mircea_popescu: totally must be seen piece of lulz for the curious entomologist.
mircea_popescu: absolutely HYSTERICAL not-dead-yet-honest britsh empire piece of agitprop. it is built on the mindbogglingly entertaining twin premises that a) british is not merely relevant, but world-central and b) really, they're this sort of age cave tace laborious dependable serious folk, like ghandi personally spawned the lot of them out of fat drunk saxon uglies.
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't clear that there was anything physically wrong with elliot ( aside from being, by his account, a very short and thin d00d )
trinque: there are ethnically bound diseases right? why not diseases arising out of a particular mixture of genes from two sides of the planet
trinque: not to get all "mixing of the races", but in a less squeamish culture it'd be interesting if somebody actually studied it. maybe poor elliots have a biological basis.
BingoBoingo: Also "Greater Nepal" is this nationalistic thing many of them bought into where they insisted their traditional borders went halfway to the ocean
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are ~no buddhists in india, last i knew
BingoBoingo: Well, Between Buddah and all the kings etc.
phf: well, "folk", i'm reminded how every indian, when they say ghandi, they have to add "the father of our nation" immediately after, but in the privacy of their own homes (lubricated by a bit of alcohol) they start saying that godse should've done it sooner
asciilifeform: 'you seppuku with the kashakunin you have, not the kaishakunin you wish you had', or what did old man rumsfeld say.
phf: first guy actually failed repeatedly, until another one took over
BingoBoingo: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL "Stop using the word Asian-Chinese, it's redundant, and inaccurate. Use Indigenous-Chinese or Aboriginal-Chinese."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the Elliot demo mines and sows discord in the lands of their matriarchies https://archive.is/mEV8w
phf: the last asian men all committed seppuku when japan lost in world war ii. yukio mishima, a homosexual writer of some repute was so distressed by there not being any men anymore, he tried to organize a coup to restate imperial power and bushido, with predictable results
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo apparently servile mother + withdrawing father is the best recipe for offspring psychological disorders.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Children of White Dads and Asian Moms, like Elliot. There's a gold mine of self loathing out there
BingoBoingo: "Back then I looked at me being born as a good thing." << Lol
mircea_popescu: wait, wait wut ?! THERE EXIST ASIAN MEN ?!?!
BingoBoingo: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Apparently Elliots are organizing themselves as a demographic! "How is that better than being ignorant? In some ways knowledge is more evil. Like the Asian women who write these progressive feminist articles about how they know its so bad being an Asian man, but sorry they also married a white man. Is that the model you are looking to, when you say you will be a WMAF who acknowledges racism against As
BingoBoingo: Where's davout? Is the Bitcoin/shitcoin this ready to light up?
BingoBoingo: Hard to say. Perhaps the miners really do wander off to do Altcoin
mircea_popescu: vaguely curious if this "80%" is any closer to reality than the previous "miner consensus" when gavin wrecked the chain.
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how any of it is anything other than "protect me from men". from credit cards and parking lots to "legal system" and "our democracy", the whole exercise is entirely borne out of and predicated upon "please god let it never be the case mp says something to me"
BingoBoingo: Oh, in other news, apparently miner coup is at ~80% support
mircea_popescu: phf the whole thing to say was that $random-schmuck is really REALLY bothered by the scent of my ballsac.
BingoBoingo: AHA, you stole their having to talk about
phf: scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect that the ~only reasonable use of us-born teenagers today is gangrape in park.
BingoBoingo: In other near misses, an almost Omidyar's almost Qntra http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/08/teenagers-held-captive-and-gang-raped-at-st-paul-park/
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing not forgets, "i never ate outside of kfc in my whole life, but i think i heard granpa call granma a filthy arab whore, and so therefore i am culturally arabic and OMFG NEED UTF-256 WHERE ARE THE SQUIGGLIES TO FILL MY INNER VOIDS!!!"
asciilifeform: speaking of these, asciilifeform can hardly wait for the 'dontchaknow you Don'tImplementYourOwnCrypto!!1111' 'luminaries'
mircea_popescu: to be honest, back when the fucktards were like "o hi guise, i am 12 and expert, never heard of wot but i made this keybase", i was all pissy because of the whole "i have never heard". now that they do the "oh i know tmsr is my true and proper sovereign, but might i not talk my way out of it ? i'm really clever like, plus i use words i can't define borrowed from an old copy of wikimedica" i'm pissy because of the whole clever
BingoBoingo: I mean decentralized gribdeedbot to handle ratings on decentralized mecanical turk all to be held together by what? Hard forks?
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen" << Still less of a disease state than being a USTard. At least you KNOW when you are sick, even if it is bubbles.
mircea_popescu: ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen"
asciilifeform: does it pay out in etherdaotronium
mircea_popescu: yet the difference between us, whereby when he asks for a difference i provide the difference, but when i ask for a difference he has nothing to show, is entirely lost on him. and this DOESNT suggest to him that perhaps he's not yet up to the task of comprehending such intricacies as might not be obvious even to thinking folks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on other hand, the fact that a wot is a local object ( and doesn't 'decentralize' ) is not necessarily obvious, even to thinking folx
mircea_popescu: and he has had the bright idea to... fix, geddit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what irritates the fucktard is that somehow, agaionst all pantsuit effort and promise, somehow in this world there still are men!
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster what is the difference between "stumbled" and "invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years" iyo ?
mircea_popescu: and the sad thing is, the more time flies, the more the fruit flies will be flying in.
sn0wmonster: no one 'stumbled', i was invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years.
sn0wmonster: another narcissistic trait, assuming things.
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster the moment you stumble into a technical discussion with "proposals" on the level of "hey guise i just heard about this cryptormation superhighway, here's how to fix it", YOU made the discussion about you.
asciilifeform: sn0wmonster: trinque's wotron ( which is in use here ) gives you a complete copy of the wot on demand. how would you make this 'more decentralized' ?
mircea_popescu: but in practice, there are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between brains and practices is that in theory there are no brains.
asciilifeform: theoretically, if d00d has a brain, it could be explained to'im
mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
mircea_popescu: you actually believe i needed you to mosy along and say the magic words "decendralized feteraded buzz buzz buzz". you actually believe this. how ?
sn0wmonster: is there a technical reason why it hasn't been built yet?
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly what d-k is all about. think for a second : years ago when i specced this, i could just as well ahve specced it that way. what, you think the-people-who-matter need you to come by ten years late and show them the wheel ?
sn0wmonster: i'm here to learn, could you share the reason for that?
sn0wmonster: if not, i don't see how i'm reinventing the wheel by building that part of it.
mircea_popescu: no. and there is a reason for that.
sn0wmonster: mircea_popescu, are there any decentralized web-of-trusts that allow GPG authenticated ratings and comments to be left for GPG authenticated users without needing to connect to IRC or a centralized website to interact with it?
mod6: <+shinohai> trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model. << good deal :]
mircea_popescu: it is NOT, very specifically and poinedly not, coming up with a "catchy" socialistard name and then trying to build "ideas" around it.
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster supposing you're actually serious about not reinventing the wheel (which at this point i very much doubt), the correct approach is to first establish ~yourself~, and then have your own castle like so many others before you.
asciilifeform: ( alternatively -- yank the nic and put in the serial port card, they're a few bux secondhand )
shinohai: trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model.
mircea_popescu: not really the tmsr way.
sn0wmonster: i was hoping to hear that it was decentralized, as in, nodes connect together to disperse and allow submissions to the reputation database without needing IRC or the website
sn0wmonster: is that the only difference?
mircea_popescu: nanotube was going to fix it cca 2015. didn't happen then or hence.
sn0wmonster: i've been trying to find the perfect WoT system to include into #Taskhive for a while now and i was under the impression that#bitcoin-otc simply decentralized would suffice,
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster gribble ratings are unauthenticated.
sn0wmonster: here for the deedbot
asciilifeform: ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND BEYOND'
erlehmann: also it does not include test results in the epigraph tree-builder
erlehmann: i suspect this method of taint analysis can be useful for more than just the question “who is at risk when a condom broke?”
BingoBoingo: It's actually a rather popular subscription service among oldsters who think they are millenials, "dollar shame club". Even has radio advertising jingles.
BingoBoingo: Awe, I guess the dollarshaming will have to wait
asciilifeform: toilet water flowing through the drinklet
a111: DRINKING WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE TOILET
shinohai: !~weather
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 18:03 ben_vulpes: in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove