mircea_popescu: a a a the five-points-fridge
asciilifeform: naturally there was nothing provable re aes -- but it served a useful end, which was to make machine evaluation of the contents en masse, impractical
asciilifeform: decompressor would brute force the N
asciilifeform: many, many years ago, asciilifeform wrote a ( and won't claim to be the only one who had this simple idea ) thing for evading censorware, that'd encipher a blob ( aes, iirc ) and package all but N bits of the key with the compressed ciphertext
asciilifeform: thing is, i'm quite sure that a hashtron satisfying the original ('make it maximally nasty, with provably no respite') condition CAN be made. i'ma come back to it when i wrap up my current megabacklog.
asciilifeform: a cycle ( by mircea_popescu's own proof from other day ) is repeated ( i.e. rewound ) 1-2 times
mircea_popescu: the bottle, apparently.
asciilifeform: ( he will probably disagree, and say 'tight bound is not same as 'say how much memory and cpu'... but fact is, this is not quite the unpredictable game-of-life-style automaton contemplated earlier. )
asciilifeform: so it looks like the current algo lacks the properties 4 and 5 from mircea_popescu's article.
asciilifeform: and incidentally the bound on operations also binds S ( which grows either once or none times per. )
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
BingoBoingo: Until the next mammal with tenacity
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> because turnstiles are racist or i don't even know what led to the system designed such that anyone can just wander onto the trains << St Louis trains are like this, finally hit critical mass because "only white man pays" has turned train into war zone
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'ma learn from the greats, e.g., BingoBoingo , instead!11 << Mebbe an enjoyable part time gig comes out of it? Spend some weekends delousing locals? Covnert difference to benjies and ensuitcase for flight day?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the danger from reading teh torah comes from trying to read it alone, not from trying to read it at all. << Same problems occurs with reading "Big Book" alone. People read selectively and get weird ideas. Hence the whole idea of sponsorship, tour guide through the text and steps.
asciilifeform: and yes american ver. of the saying would probably be the thing where 'roach motel! check in, but never check out'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma learn from the greats, e.g., BingoBoingo , instead!11
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the thing about glue traps, is that 'entry is a buck, exit -- two' << Perhaps go and take local pesticide applicator licensing class? May improve your metaphors?
asciilifeform: ( the average-case is considerably ~below~ N^2. the reason for this will be apparent when reading the proof. )
asciilifeform: and betcha mircea_popescu already found the proof of this.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that mircea_popescu's hash has an upper bound of...
ben_vulpes: heh or just have a dummy cable snake out from under the hood
ben_vulpes: it is though, obvious transit welfare for the homeless. "no i don't have id, no i don't have a place of residence, good luck getting the fine out of me"
mircea_popescu: he can't ride every day the truck parking at pdx statioons sucks
ben_vulpes: trinque: try riding ~every day, the statistics will catch up to you.
asciilifeform: now the ~reverse~ -- could be
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do they do the "i am a black man fighting THE man therefore only white people gotta pay" thing ?
ben_vulpes: because turnstiles are racist or i don't even know what led to the system designed such that anyone can just wander onto the trains
asciilifeform: aaah aahh the ~reader~
ben_vulpes: "sorry for the inconvenience sir, you have a good day now. you know they keep saying there's a patch coming that'll improve battery life for these things, but i haven't seen it yet." "heh yeah and i don't beliueve that it'll work."
mircea_popescu: too many power outages in the best possible socialism
ben_vulpes: in shitantium lols, i submitted my nfc train fare card for inspection this am. portoscanner a: couldn't read through the leater of my wallet, b: came out of the fare inspector's pocket hung, c: unhung only to die for lack of batteries.
mircea_popescu: the wanna-be shards, similarily.
mircea_popescu: the danger from reading teh torah comes from trying to read it alone, not from trying to read it at all.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 14:34 asciilifeform: sorta was the original point of a school, neh. a reasonably safe reservation where 'chix who have not yet learned to wash' can lean to wash, without creating dangers to self and others.
asciilifeform: ( found -- possibly -- the thread, though it wasn't re proglangs : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620042 )
mircea_popescu: there's fundamental principles that are known
asciilifeform: ( i.e. not a problem that reasonably gets a final solution, but rather shifting sets of engineering compromises )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense nutrition remains open problem.
asciilifeform: hey i did not say 'they cannot be cut'
mircea_popescu: of course they can.
mircea_popescu: which is these ?
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that these can be cut
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the, give poor kids a free delousing and glasses part of no kid left behind. i mean the make smart kids dumber part.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, that's also why their ~only concern is "how to reduce friction" ie make sure it piles as well as it posdsiblu could". gendercommits and nochildleftbehinds etc all follow.
asciilifeform: ved _all_ their investments in their people this way, because it is as unhealthy for a market with disproportionate power in the hands of employees as it is with disproportionate power in the hands of employers...'
asciilifeform: '...C/C++ are quite interesting languages from a marxist point of view, too (it being May 1 and all): they are so bad that any professional who wants to do interesting work needs to learn new tools all the time and have the employer pay for it. the means of production are thus removed from the hands of the owners into the hands of the workers in a very new way. if the employers were any smart, they would not use languages that remo
mircea_popescu: like prions, stupid is that thing which has no properties besides piling well, and thereby accumulates.
mircea_popescu: there's piles of stupid everywhere principally because stupid piles so well. which is it's only property, really.
mircea_popescu: because, again, iot's not the martians that did it.
mircea_popescu: tivoization of heads, and the tivoheads are oif course lapping it up.,
mircea_popescu: marginal bob at google figures if there's a shitlang involved that gives him some protective moat agfainst above average fred.
mircea_popescu: labour forcve stability works both ways, the drones wish security just as much as the dronemasters do.
mircea_popescu: on some level i am sure it was. not just the management siude though.
asciilifeform: ( somewhat unrelatedly , i find the fact of google and crapple each adopting a proprietary shitlang, to be a fascinating thing from 'labour politics' pov -- was it an attempt to put a damper on 'poaching' of workers ? or something else. )
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
asciilifeform: but does the n00b know.
asciilifeform: rather than 'hey this is great candy, but why do i feel funny'
mircea_popescu: so if he is legitimately bothered by "wtf, does this EVEN REALLY work faster ?" and he goes to look into it, why are you alarmed ?
mircea_popescu: but phf has certainly earned himself the right to make that call ?
trinque: ridiculous comparision, they *test each
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it certainly oughta. but this was not the light in which i saw the thread.
mircea_popescu: you know guns kill people and yet i being a people still know how they work and even took one apart once. as opposed to running in screaming terror
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and so the quality and composition of glue therefore can never be ascertained ?
trinque: meaning no disrespect to sina (and I figure he knows this from output) his pronouncements are not going to have the same effect on tmsr as a Lord's will
asciilifeform: and the thing about glue traps, is that 'entry is a buck, exit -- two'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i ( and , as in linked threads, in the past, mircea_popescu also ) observe that golang is not 'simply another prog lang' but a carefully built intellectual gluetrap for the naive and energetic
asciilifeform: which is why observation is not about the drinkers of shit, but re clean-shaved western idiots who point and call 'alternate hygiene, just as good if not better than ours'
mircea_popescu: so they are devoid of agency ?
mircea_popescu: do you understand why ahm im sorry. do you have a working theory as to why the bangladeshis are drinking river of shit ?
asciilifeform: i dun see the disconnect.
mircea_popescu: what's the alfhf that goes from S = "phf: why would you even." to H = "just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 16:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here';s the thing : i didn't get that impression from what you were saying. and the substance of a scam is when the reader doesn't get that impression from the copy.
asciilifeform: dunno how we ended up discussion 'prohibitions' -- asciilifeform hasn't the power or desire to confiscate d00d's keyboard for churning out whatever liquishit.
mircea_popescu: as one'd have to (children also have it, for the same reason.)
mircea_popescu: also developed a taste for own shit in the process.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 00:19 mircea_popescu: lobbes see, because they made the mistake of banning things instead of simply banning stupid.
trinque: in order to have the human machine operate in self-sorting mode, can't have blanket prohibitions, or as mp said http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641810
asciilifeform: i regard my duty of 'showing' to be fulfilled, when i state, without any strong emotion, that i will not run golang, nor encourage others to do so.
mircea_popescu: you can't save another.
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's really no way to run for oneself. take jurov for instance : years later he's still struggling to come to terms with the specific portions of socialism he can't let go of. if people end up taking teh bait and going to bury themselv es ion google for the rest of their life, what exactly was lost ?
asciilifeform: ( i have not ever visited a cement plant in person yet either )
mircea_popescu: so what you're saying is that if you were a canon of the town church, you WOULD picket them ?
asciilifeform: brothels ain't an organized effort to take a massive shit in my fits-in-headization of the comp.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagien you're picketing brothels.
mircea_popescu: sooo then, you understand golang also.
mircea_popescu: you ever visited a brothel asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: like, for instance, talking that walk in the first place.
mircea_popescu does stupid shit all the time.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:04 mircea_popescu: tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, trinque: problem , imho, falls into the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674857 class.
trinque: I think that's the distinction between youth and wisdom, and youth is *meant* to go try to die, and see if it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: no such thing was notioned other than in asciilifeform 's own head. it's not present in conversation, not even for the trivial "alf put it there to have a rant basis"
asciilifeform: trinque: understand, asciilifeform's barf is not in response to 'd00d wrote a proggy in piglang' but to the notion that it is perhaps a thing to be considered for serious deployment, and an experiment that ought to be replicated by other folx who do not normally keep piglang on their iron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you could never everr, no matter what, go into their harappan little huts and lift the beaded clothes to find harappan cunt, and then explain to your host, "well, it's ok for a coupla hours i guess, but i wouldn't live here. BECAUSE..."
asciilifeform: the way i see it, it is the duty of a serious n00b , who wants to become an adult practitioner of whatever black art , to learn a human lang like french, english, german, etc , rather than to expect the learned folx to learn his piglang, quechua, whichever...
mircea_popescu: i can sort-of decrypt the deadpan rhetorical overstatement to the point of absurdity device you practice about 2/3 of the time or so. but i'm a fucking trained decoder and honestly i dunno if there's another alive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here';s the thing : i didn't get that impression from what you were saying. and the substance of a scam is when the reader doesn't get that impression from the copy.
asciilifeform: in cobol, even, if they feel like.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works.
asciilifeform: but to date i have not even succeeded in building clang ! despite trying a number of times, because the lattice fpga thing needs it
mircea_popescu: so then what are you talking about ?
asciilifeform: lulzily, i am not averse to experimenting with heathen whatevers, i even have an isolated leprosorium for infected winblowz.
asciilifeform: and the gain -- quite illusory.
asciilifeform: i will not be 'adopting' and maintaining it and its deps, and so far no one has stepped up to the job
mircea_popescu: one needn't fear the smell of cunt in his room.
asciilifeform: what we have in the golang thing, is a loaded camel for carrying multi-GB of heathen liquishit into tmsr intellectual infrastructure .
mircea_popescu: speed was the point in discussion, not all i want.
mircea_popescu: try the D and see it take twice as loing ?
asciilifeform: and in fact doesn't need 'thousand man years to fix the mismatches' because it HAS no mismatches with the iron.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from experience men don't care about debilitating disease, just dun like the whinery.
mircea_popescu: so no, they could have picked forth and it'd have been trhe same thing.
asciilifeform: the way asciilifeform is still living with python
mircea_popescu: the reason it's in discusison today is the manyear in engineering hours they put in to fix the hardware impedance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that shooting the jane fonda doesn't cure the syphilis and hiv.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with the traditional "use it while it works and then shoot her in a parking lot and leave her there to bleed a la jane fonda" ?
asciilifeform: otherwise it is a camel's nose, an infiltration of enemy.
asciilifeform: again , it ain't about crud languages. it is about systems, and people. if, e.g., sina, wants to ADOPT golang, and maintain it, such that nothing that happens in tmsr is EVER subject to the whims of genderfuckers at google hq -- no python3isms, no 'language is evolving', no 'you need gcc7 to build this', no 'we no longer support ppc and 386, fuckyou' -- then it can be considered
mircea_popescu: it's not a tenable position. even if laughter was not in aristotle. because, again, and i mean this most literally, the smell of sv is the smell of cunt.
mircea_popescu: it's not a tenable position. even if laughter was in aristotle. because, again, and i mean this most literally, the smell of cv is the smell of cunt.
mircea_popescu: you saw that movie, incidentally ? the bad redo of le nom de la rose ?
asciilifeform: if it stinks of sv -- to the furnace with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in practice nobody needs to keep exhaustive list, the nose suffices
mircea_popescu: lol i was thinking, "original author hates lisp for some reason" but then i passed for it being too cruel
asciilifeform: it is the most laboriously dysfunctional proggy i had ever written, it is my albatross
asciilifeform: the www face of it is.
phf: not for the offense of using a heretic language
asciilifeform: phf: why would you even. what's next, building the microshit F# one ?
shinohai: phf there was a space before your !~
phf: but requires a handful of unsightly (the ...) in a few places, so not really worth it
phf: doing full type annotation with (mp #*1010101001010011110000101000000000001101011100000001 (expt 2 14)) drops the time from 11s to 7s
mircea_popescu: like what, the discarded mattresses people locate half a mile out of town or so to fuck randos on ?
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-vi/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part VI
BingoBoingo: Happy Phorking day to all you motherphorkers!
mircea_popescu: in other usistani ideas : register "techrite" as a brand. then people can say "he's got the techrite" about your users.
mod6: Good to hear that the lost units came back.
mircea_popescu: these requirements can never be satisfied, because the branch in question EXPANDS s, and therefore it will never be the case that the position modulo R of S will be equal to the position modulo R of S+1.
mircea_popescu: the requirements for cycle : a M/S/R that takes the 1, flips it to 0, so then the rewind flips it back to 1 again and so it could cycle.
phf: asciilifeform: there's different kinds of optimizations. you can nail down the types and get a complete type signature of your code. i don't think there's any shame in it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit , i half-expected to have mircea_popescu pull the noncycling proof out of his hat, 'aha, someone finally thought to ask..'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they still wanking with bitpython v 3.0 or w/e it is ?
mircea_popescu: e screw part of that branch. so we need a M/S/R that takes the 1, flips it to 0, so then the rewind flips it back to 1 again and so it couldf cycle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. no. it's there. asciilifeform : "This operation consists of taking the bit count of either S or R, iterating over that value, at each step multiplying the iterator with the current position in M" << screw will always be m-position divisible. |If the bit in R found at the position equal to the remainder of the division of our position in M by the size of R is 0" << bit deciding rewind is ALWAYS touched by th
BingoBoingo: "OMG HARD DATES LISTED!!!" Ought to make the Shillbert fail more sweet than the GaVERToominium failures so far
BingoBoingo: Much better title than their bullshit
BingoBoingo: In other delusionariums, guide for ES(ingle)L Chinese Miners; A FANFIC: https://archive.is/tY0Ya
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform god damned. check this out : 1. only way to cycle is through the rewind branch. 2. rewind branch only rewinds one, so to cycle must be run through every time. 3. the branch with a rewind always does a S in R screw, and a R flip. for cycle to happen therefore a) message bit must be 0 and b) S and R must be in such a state that screw and bitflip produce same bit in R.
mircea_popescu: kinda why we're even doing all the prof work on it, see that crumble to dust bit first.
asciilifeform: recall the 'primes is in p' thread
mircea_popescu: this is a point in practice, but not relevant re the finite-ness.
asciilifeform: not necessarily cycle tho. if i can construct a 'for (i=0; i<maxint; i++) {}' then just as good
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are other ways. they work better on the exact type of hash fhf isn't.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679092 << my current thinking is, the only way to resolve this within a lifetime is to see if a mpfhf cycle could be constructed. if it can, solved, if it provably can't then it is time&space finite, even as a statistical ceiling argument.
mircea_popescu: "the great potato famine'd have been lots worse were it made out of wheat instead"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:52 phf: but i use it to refer to intentionally or unintentionally naive code. like the kind of stuff you would write in BASIC.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679079 << i thought samagon was made out of chicken feathers not potatoes.
mircea_popescu: ie, there is no such thing possible as "a christian english-as-single-language speaker".
mircea_popescu: yet in english it's how they do it, and THIS is what they mean when they say the language it speaks will tell you a lot of a people.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is logical to have the error permanent "what it is", and the self-reference tensed "i was". rather than pretend the error has no further substance than its past occurence, whereas the id is eternal and so therefore is.
mircea_popescu: this is a very fine example, incidentally. it's in my mind right there with the oxford comma ("i had eggs, salmon and biscuits" interpreted as the speaker telling salmon and biscuits as an item that he had eggs) as anglo-antilogic in my head.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you discuss it at all, all you may say is "mp is so fucking great, he put personal freedom above corporate continuance."
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, in this context it is my merit and you're welcome to praise.
mircea_popescu: but the discussion here isn't "naive perception of item x as compared to naive perception of item y". that'll be biased by the direct interaction. the discussion is "industrial item x vs y".
mircea_popescu: well depends what you mean and what you're talking about. some people call their http "transactions", and the "road ahead is clear" as they say to next propose mpex css ain't good enough to be nasdaq.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 03:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mpex afaik never reverted trades either
mircea_popescu: in fact specified as opposed to farted code has this property, that you write two programs per spec like that. hence "agile" ie "code is the spec" ie "please shoot me" modernity.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:15 phf: part of spec as far as i understand it, that the (fhf mp ...) part is a canonical, but not the only implementation. so yeah you could write optimal version of mp's fhf, but it's not going to speak the same dictionary, and you won't be necessarily able to apply same optimizations to other (fhf ...). (or i guess you can, but require more cleverness than just etc.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679054 << this is a fine approach. "here's the per spec impl, here's the optimized impl. you can verify they agree wrt results ; and you can trivially verify the former is spec-accurate."
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the reason it has those bojums flows from the atomic ops, not gift from god.
mircea_popescu: i am surrounded by looseleaf to the degree girl walked in said "you remind me a lot of mr happy" "whassat ?" "pet hamster i had when i was 5"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mp-fhf terminates, and in finite mem. of course, other fhfs might not.
asciilifeform: the 'potentially infinite mem' and 'potentially not terminates' is the boojum, not exotic bit ops
mircea_popescu: phf whereas is not where's, etymologically or otherwise. i dunno if you know that.
mircea_popescu: "just tell me how large it ends up and stop wasting my time! WHAT THE FUCK IT CAN'T BE KNOWN IN ADVANCE!"
mircea_popescu: "enlarge datastruct one bit at a time ? because your mother fed you artichokes whole or why!"
phf: but i use it to refer to intentionally or unintentionally naive code. like the kind of stuff you would write in BASIC.
phf: hmm, never mind his later rants on the subject contain a lot more vitriol
phf: i wouldn't use it in my own code, but there are occasional cases where it "makes sense", particularly when you're writing potato code
asciilifeform: ( he had an eternal and bitter feud with the author )
asciilifeform: dun need the <= phf
phf: man, dusseldorf airport soundtrack is like the best of the 90s that nobody listens to anymore, but used to back in the day. like they are playing bryan adams's "i do it for you" which i remember serenading to some girl. makes me heart tingle it does.
phf: oh, that's actually good point re rewind, that's in the spec "except in the case our position is already 0."
phf: i mean, there's a bunch of macros that share state through referencing same symbols. if i were to post this to #lisp they would lynch me
phf: part of spec as far as i understand it, that the (fhf mp ...) part is a canonical, but not the only implementation. so yeah you could write optimal version of mp's fhf, but it's not going to speak the same dictionary, and you won't be necessarily able to apply same optimizations to other (fhf ...). (or i guess you can, but require more cleverness than just etc.)
phf: right, but that would "break" the spec to code correspondence
asciilifeform: other hint -- stop doing mem-access-per-bitflip omfg
phf: yeah, this version is straight spec implementation (in fact if you search for (fhf mp ...) that part should directly correspond to spec wording). only optimization i did was to keep the S reallocations down
asciilifeform: phf: there's a couple of order-of-magnitude imho obvious optimizations, but i dun wanna ruin the fun
asciilifeform: if it worked ( rather than tried to redefine 'work' ) ..
asciilifeform: now if cmucl actually worked, rather than compiling to crasholade...
phf: sbcl is the original "modern"11! lisp. it gives "style warnings" on my code, but completely ignores type errors in ben_vulpes's code (compiling same code in cmucl gives a lot of warnings about the types being all kinds of confused)
phf: and the other issue with adjustable arrays is that you're doing a lot of expands (and that's what mp's fhf does), you're generating n^2 garbage
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: nevertheless... http://68.media.tumblr.com/0fa6154fd3f3770ccb627406b0d2b6dd/tumblr_osjazdyYj81s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 03:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because the fork in the GOP will likely be resolved in the primary season, and Pantsuit is set up to take massive losses in Senate.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, there's a floor under human abstraction. voltages stabilize after a time. etc.
mircea_popescu: are you making the rsatron or aren't you ?
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a human-accessible time interval that's not human accessible.
asciilifeform: this'd make more sense if trading still happened on donkeys; or if earth-mars, and farthest approach, and gotta wait 20 min each way
mircea_popescu: not on paper at any rate. even if in their mind.
mircea_popescu: notice that no one goes to the hospital with a "i came here so you make me healthy" contract.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even doublespend, they were not allocated. therer's such a thing as nonbinding allcoators.
mircea_popescu: people like to think in terms of the former, it's less impedancy, but reality works on lattert
mircea_popescu: there's a space between closure (as an abstract) and settlement (as a practical).
mircea_popescu: trades routinely get unwound. you call the shop, "do you have bananas ?" "yes we do". you come to shop, they don't. "Wtf!" "Someone bougth them!"
mircea_popescu: something with the options bot at any rate.
mircea_popescu: i don't even specifically remember, was years ago. but im sure there was a good reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was ONE instance of dude having his trade unwound. he promptly got pissed off and went and lost his wad on $randomscam.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mpex afaik never reverted trades either
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 03:09 asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, 'Corrupt data that accidentally flowed out of a NASDAQ systems test caused the share prices...'
asciilifeform: ( re fredericus et al : i had nfi how many of these d00d had !! e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Nwsqy6v_Q is new to asciilifeform )
mircea_popescu: part of the problem and the font of all the "russianb spies" lulz is that a) thjere's nothing else and b) the fucktards can't believe nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing else.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing fickler than the sentiments of the crowd. and yes the reversal is underway.
phf: as the fervor increasing there's a general loss of steam. how many misfires can these people afford?
phf: fwiw there's definitely a sentiment change. it's becoming fashionable to roll eyes at sjws at festivals and be secretly OK with trump.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps, my read is otherwise.
mod6: cog in the wheel, aha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The state legislatures that make those rules mostly lean GOP over pantsuit, and rulemaking is a concern after 2020 census.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that the number of rules by which 'pantsuit' crowd continues to play, such that they can lose, will grow smaller.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because the fork in the GOP will likely be resolved in the primary season, and Pantsuit is set up to take massive losses in Senate.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> eventually provocation will work, trump will 'clintonize', i.e. connect himself with something 'uncontroversially' impeachable. << There's a deadline for provocation to work. 2018 mid term elections
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from same fishwrap, https://archive.is/7cEvZ >> 'A Current Affair reporter Ben McCormack has appeared in court for the first time since he was charged with child pornography offences.' << au competes with uk for 'who is premier anglo shithole'
asciilifeform: '"It's an exchange-side issue, where the Nasdaq disseminated bad data and traded corrupt messages to us during an exchange-side test of their systems," a Bloomberg spokeswoman told AFR, over the phone. ' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, 'Corrupt data that accidentally flowed out of a NASDAQ systems test caused the share prices...'
a111: 2 results for "kick the dog till it bites", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kick%20the%20dog%20till%20it%20bites
asciilifeform: !#s kick the dog till it bites
phf: with helpful pantsuit commentary in between the episodes
phf: cnn at the airport are playing "special" on nixon impeachment. they are not even trying anymore
asciilifeform: ( though it ain't 7/4 in east gringolandia for another 3h )
asciilifeform: the mega-enigma, of course, is why not 123.45
mircea_popescu: and the funny thing is, they earnestly imagines antyone would want to be their friend.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: How Russian Hackers Stole the Nasdaq - Bloomberg: <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-17/how-russian-hackers-stole-the-nasdaq>; Russian hackers infiltrated voter databases in dozens of states ...: <http://nypost.com/2017/06/13/russian-hackers-infiltrated-voter-databases-in-dozens-of-states/>; Russian hackers placed 'digital bomb' in Nasdaq - report - Jul. 17 ...: (1 more message)