mircea_popescu: i suppose the first time black fucktoy whispers nonsense in the bedroom it's rather condiment than a reason to flay her kind alive.
asciilifeform: you wouldn't invite a walrus to your table either ( other than perhaps as main course )
mircea_popescu: tho i harbored no notion of their presence being acceptable at my table.
mircea_popescu: "the so and so fair!" cars, gadgets, whatever.
mircea_popescu: no. i recall the faggots, not yet VERY overweight, going to the things that meanwhile got captured by apple, much like coca-cola captured xmas
asciilifeform: because it wasn't an illusion only lived by the wankers. but, to some extent i suspect by everyone, this notion that 'there's enough sunlight'
mircea_popescu: entitlowank. somehow it wasn't so offensive in the 90s
asciilifeform: 'At the appointed time, Our Benevolent Corporate Patriarchs would "lift the curtains" and invite us all into the wondrous Future they'd made ready for us. We'd all be welcome; the Future, by its very nature, was cheerful and inclusive. In the meantime, while they were getting it all ready, the corporations would allow us to experience the Future in short, controlled bursts, such as the World's Fair Expo, or Disney World's Tomorrowlan
phf: also vaguely related, a comic about "cyber-" culture, and the early (i.e. pre-mondo) valley excitement. i found it to be highly entertaining when viewed through the tmsr prism. http://www.electricsheepcomix.com/almostguy/
phf: it's fun to look at the early valley culture artifacts. if nothing else this shit was still edgy compared to what it eventually turned into
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680305 << by the way the first three issues of mondo are on archive.org https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.01.1989, https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.02.1990 and https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.03.1991
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
mircea_popescu: and in vintage trilemas i give you... the BEATTIE! http://trilema.com/2012/shampoo/#selection-57.620-57.938
shinohai: The point of being rich is doing whatever the fuck you want, be it irc or cursing whores in Latin
mircea_popescu: soon enough it's http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-16#-121196 and then it's "rich people don't learn languages" and on it goes from there.
mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, but the ENTIRE experience of wealth ustard enjoys is exactly this and nothing else. from the kid begging his parents for a lambo truck / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY all the way up to the fiat captains of industry, stuck between being "too big to fail" and being FED-fed anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:22 trinque: "sit and behave" drugs are the worst kind of protestant mother.
asciilifeform finally found the pertinent trilema re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686793 >> '..."feminists" are merely trying to dissolve subjective blocks to regendering, so it's easier for more people to faster embrace what's socially required of them. Seeing how once you've decided to go to the dentist it's really very bad form to pick fights with the anesthesiologist, what exactly do you have against them ? Jus' doin' their job.'
asciilifeform: somebody's trying to beat the disconnectolade record, or wut.
mircea_popescu: ethereum could buy bitcoin!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: par of ye olde tradition where crapple stock is 'worth' the moon etc, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the most amusing part is how they keep adding the official fiat value to the shit, as if.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Best part, the cop is a somali
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, https://archive.is/uHp7H >> 'Someone stole ~$32M (~153k ether) from three multisig wallets.'
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686799 << the proposition is problematic. hitler was, for all intents and purposes, a farm chicken with beak sawed off.
mircea_popescu: and this is not limited to cpus. it is re evertything. "either your videocard can be asm'd into utility or else it is not actually a video card" "but it works in windows!" "so does your mother."
mircea_popescu: this is the fuckinbg point already.
asciilifeform: well, e.g., ffa, is 100% portable in the sense where it will build on ANY standards-compliant ada
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:59 mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
mircea_popescu: because yes, once http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686858 is done "portability" becomes a very different item than the beast it is today.
mircea_popescu: i sure as fuck would prefer the situation where i have to change half dozen asm quarter-pages to go from x86 to whatever than the current shitwolrd offering.
mircea_popescu: some actual review and by-hand rewrite of those roots would actually benefit the republic immensely.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gavinlandia, https://archive.is/KOhTm >> 'Resolution is to either guarantee there are non-bit1 signaling miners before enforcing (kind of incompatible with the definition of 80% activation), or manually guarantee the the graph of enforcing miners is connected.' << d00d realizes that the softshitfork thing won't work without cartel... proceeds to demand one
asciilifeform: all it really wants libc for is memcpy() etc. and i/o. total of maybe 6 functions. they really ought to be a separate asm thing, linked optionally and separately.
asciilifeform: i was fully expecting to have to do the whole thing from empty space myself
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is, ave1 linked to a recipe.
asciilifeform: ( you can't dns from a statically linked glibc. but this does not bother me )
mircea_popescu: so there's a musl ada ?
mircea_popescu: possibly the #1 and #2 spots of dumb.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:46 mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 13:11 ave1: yes, but mainly because the gnat makefiles hardcode the gnattool names at different places
BingoBoingo: <trinque> there's going to be no fixing the generation that took psych meds throughout puberty << plenty of possible fixing. Back to 'spec' likely never. Into something possibly.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:54 ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686568 << at this point you might even consider publishing the item as a v root under your own signature.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:53 ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
mircea_popescu: not gnat-specific. gnu/linux/unix specific. for some reason they do this retarded shit where package (version - package2 (version2 - package3 (version3))) and then you're more than welcome to buy ytour own flamethrower.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it seems to be that adacore's gnat actually implements the standard; while fsf is a bit moth-eaten
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 12:52 ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686562 << i keep running into this issue myself and half the time it ends up being actual code comparisons to identify wtf is what.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:12 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-08 14:51 mircea_popescu: but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 18:12 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686786 << this is a very interesting point, and it is possible to go to a meatspace gathering of these types, and see this with own eyes
asciilifeform: but root is the same -- surplus people.
asciilifeform: for some reason modern-day lizards prefer that surplus people slowly goring themselves, rather than cleanly blowing one another with mortar and cannon
trinque: suppose they were instead on zoloft, in bedroom, trying to get some cum to leak out of their ineffectual dicks
asciilifeform: the effect of letting the chickens keep the beaks, is not 'chicken liberation', but simply damaged meat
asciilifeform: world wars may be staffed by surplus teenagers, but not organized by them.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 18:18 mircea_popescu: war makes the only thing peace never can, that is -- empty space. the value of empty space varies, from negative after a war to infinite during socialism.
asciilifeform: trinque: optimistic. the no-space 'civilized life' creates the bonsaikittens. whatever meds are simply to reduce thrashing.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686659 << he sounds just like that other d guy to me. they all sound the same, they have no male voice.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686774 << that's juana azurduy. pedraza is the other one.
mircea_popescu: sucks to be a teen these days.
asciilifeform: daffadil [ab42d109@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.171.66.209.9] has joined << the sheer audacity
mircea_popescu: and for all the pretense, jorjes sand idem.
mircea_popescu: curie happened as the domestic slave of a male ; not as an "equal partner" in a lesbo partnership.
mircea_popescu: which is why no more noethers.
mircea_popescu: becauyse in my experience male-dominated workplacfes are the only places talented women express.
mircea_popescu: was there any proof of this ever offered btw ? or is it more "global warming" bull ?
trinque: or tell me, is the public chiming in re: phuctor? doesn't seem like such a thing cares, if it exists
asciilifeform: 'Murray Edwards is a Cambridge College for women. With so much gender inequality still in the world there is a role for a College able to focus on outstanding young women, their learning and skills for life.'
mircea_popescu: which is why they have to "educate" the black chix so they get out of the netflix reservation
asciilifeform: trinque: the material posted on phuctor is public in any reasonable sense
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: naturally it ain't the victim's decision, when his key is phuctored
trinque: "the public" is an ourdemocracy construct, does not mean "outside" or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if amd fritz chip uses bad crypto and we derive the key, has amd thereby "Released to the public" ? no such thing happened.
mircea_popescu: again -- the point is the process not the final state. it was not ~RELEASED TO PUBLIC~. what x y or z found out -- their ~personal~ rather than public problem./
asciilifeform: if you have an 'or', then 'not private'
asciilifeform: lessay this had happened 2y ago. kako would be one of the recipients. and 6mo later, the sow -- would know.
mircea_popescu: the point here was that ~it was never released to the public~, not that brigher bulbs in the peanut gallery couldn'\t conceivably get hold of.
asciilifeform: and where is the guarantee of this
mircea_popescu: but the sow would never know.
asciilifeform: 'what 3 know, the sow knows'
mircea_popescu: suppose for the sake of theory i get the factors to your current key ; and then i send an encyclical to the rest of the wot saying -- alf's key factors, here.
asciilifeform: i met folx who were napoleon in private. worked great... ( for them )
asciilifeform: sorta the 1 remaining use of public.
mircea_popescu: "the public" isn't happening anymore. democracy (as the modernist nonsense) is gone.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 18:10 mircea_popescu: absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit.
asciilifeform: in other unsurprises, https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07/19/1459244/amd-has-no-plans-to-release-psp-code
mircea_popescu: if not in their original bodies, then at least as emulated by pasty ass djb-wanna-bes.
asciilifeform: btw maybe 19 in 20, at this point, papers in 'crypto' are of this type. i.e. having exactly as much to do with genuine crypto as that caterpillar with the snake face has with actual snake.
mircea_popescu: because... you've guessed it... the system was not built for any clear real-ideal bijectivity.
mircea_popescu: the organ is clearly made for reuse and she wants to profess undying attachment.
mircea_popescu: to answer your question : cunt, that still runs on perl, is the intended audience of that paper.
asciilifeform: i still reel from the riotous idiocy of even calling a public string 'an otp'
mircea_popescu: you can't actually find a case where anyone has any legitimate complaint against the world. hasn't, yet, happened.
mircea_popescu: daffadil wants to participate, but does so in the manner of asking for it, and gets it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empire wants headcount, (because it sold itself on the lie of equality). gets headcount. except...
mircea_popescu: everyone, at any point, without exception got EXACTLY what they asked for.
mircea_popescu: that was, since i was a wee tyke, the one fascinating, ceaselessly fascinating aspect of the world : that for all teh chagrin and professed despair and broken dreams hopes and aspirations etcetera
mircea_popescu: but hey, fair is fair -- everyone gets what he says he wants and then gets to wash his head with it.
asciilifeform: keybasetronic 'crypto' is interesting parallel to, e.g., prb. in both cases the muppetmasters get to rejoice over 'user count' but weep when realizing that nobody of any import is in this count, and the net loot sums to 0
mircea_popescu: gotta have all female values, an' selective privacy is teh foremost on the list.
mircea_popescu: "the land is not built for equality", how about that one ?
mircea_popescu: somehow if you go "the collegiate dorm is not built for modesty" they, the very same they, go in an uproar.
mircea_popescu: the brits however, losing more men to spying than to trenchlines in some days, nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: zee germans, getting it in every hole from teh brits, didn't really do much in the way of "shot british spy" photo ops.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how repeating this pattern is : whosoever is on the receiving end of the cock, whatever the cock may be, doesn't really want porn around.
mircea_popescu: still wrong ratio for the pretense!!11
asciilifeform: ( theatric op )
mircea_popescu: was there an actual german spy shot in britain at any point ?
mircea_popescu: in any event, the pretense of hey, we're just talking hurr isn't going to take one far here. if that wasn't obvious.
asciilifeform: where did the d00d even come from
daffadil: Haha yes. As the paper currently presents, the system is not built for privacy, especially if it uses publicly-indexed databases. However I thought that the idea of using mutational randomness as a physical process to generate private keys was interesting.
mircea_popescu: hey, they keep working to convince idiots someone somewhere would actually WANT to drink carbonic acid solution with 5k brix.
asciilifeform: so nao naturally they'd like to trick some idiot, somewhere, into using their pre-indexed fauxotp as an otp...
asciilifeform: the real usgtronic gem here is that there's massive existing investment in 'this is a transform of SOME dna sequence, SOMEWHERE, now tell me which' hardware
mircea_popescu: even in the particular that literacy is reserved for a precious few.
asciilifeform: this is == to the 18th century 'book cipher'
asciilifeform: hort identification numbers of the DNA sequences in the database. It is crucial to store the unique secure key in a highly reliable carrier and transmit it through a special secure channel to guarantee the correctness of the secure key'
asciilifeform: 'The advantage of this method is that a binary random sequence of any length can be easily generated from public or private genetic databases. An unlimited number of distinct random sequences can be obtained by multiplexing, shifting or concatenating sequences from different DNA species. To solve the major drawback of the OTP cryptosystems, key storage and transmission, Borda et al. proposed communicating the secure key through the s
asciilifeform: http://www.sciencedirect.com.sci-hub.cc/science/article/pii/S0303264717300539 << daffadil's link, for the dedicated entomologist.
asciilifeform: ( summary : ustards are fixated on 'escrowable' ciphers, as they were called in 1990s, but today they do not use the word . i.e. schemes for getting your privkey to be something THEY can access on a whim )
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 14:59 asciilifeform: 'Identity-based encryption is a type of public-key encryption in which any arbitrary string (such as a users email address) can be used as a public key, enabling data to be protected without the need for long, randomly generated keys or certificates. Today, there are numerous standards for IBE based on Bonehs work, including IEEE P1363.3 and several IETF RFCs.' << from the press release.
mircea_popescu: did you read the "whores moaning in orgasmic agony source of rng" thread ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'It's also interesting to note that some miners are signalling to orphan themselves. Antpool, BTC.com, and BTC.top are all signalling for BIP 91 with bit 4, but are not signalling for segwit on bit 1. This means that once BIP 91 activates, if they don't change their version number (and it seems that this is a manual process as most mining pools set the version number manually), they will be orphaning their own blocks under the BIP 91
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gavinlandia, https://archive.is/KOhTm >> 'Resolution is to either guarantee there are non-bit1 signaling miners before enforcing (kind of incompatible with the definition of 80% activation), or manually guarantee the the graph of enforcing miners is connected.' << d00d realizes that the softshitfork thing won't work without cartel... proceeds to demand one
ave1: plus add ada to the languages to build
asciilifeform: ave1: consider writing down the recipe for this
asciilifeform: of what is the diff ?
ave1: ok, this is the diff (also contains musl diffs from musl_cross)
ave1: one moment, I will look for the diff
ave1: p.s. the portage ebuild does exactly this (plus some gentoo patching)
ave1: then you have a gcc you can build
shinohai: ave1: Can you link me to the adacore sources that worked for you?
ave1: ok, I will do some more banging against the wall on this
ave1: and gcc 4.9.4 does so, but the adacore code has problems
ave1: (but the 4.9 gcc from adacore does not match any 4.9.* release from FSF)
ave1: I can build a gnat using the sources from adacore and all is fine
ave1: (and GPL 2014 and gcc 4.9.4 are the same)
ave1: well I went to the source code of 4.9.4 and GPL 2015 and it differs on this point
asciilifeform: ave1: can't be the reason, i have it working on 4.9
ave1: yes, it seems that FSF gnat (the one in gcc) is not updated recently and for some reason it's really hard to compare version numbers between all the different gnats
ave1: (like the Mul functions...)
ave1: (also in gcc 5.*, I've not looked in the 6.* range)
ave1: Turns out the version of gnat in gcc 4.9.* is based on GNAT GPL 2014 (from adacore)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:00 mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true
ave1: mod6, asciilifeform: I've been playing with GNAT versions and the fact code
lobbes: BingoBoingo: <lobbes> damn. looks like my plans for my old craptop being a trb node will have to wait until I secure better iron. << Why can old craptop not eat SSD? << wtf I didn't even consider this. And yeah, this'll be a great opportunity to clean out the physical crap that's probably choking out the airflow in the thing.
BingoBoingo: Product nothing seriously toxic, just permetherins and fuller's earth but still.
BingoBoingo: Well, this is the story of how the puritains ruined America. "It dun work" "Have you tried cleaning it?" "STFU Imma not touch the filth" ... Disposable everythings
mircea_popescu: or in other words, innocence and drunkedness are, in that order, the superlative degrees of unhygienicity.
mircea_popescu: well certainly people who don't know they come apart don't regularly anything.
mircea_popescu: a sentiment i can sympathize with -- no better way to ruin the day of cleanfreak chick than making her open up her years-old laptop.
mircea_popescu: possibly he doesn't want to pop the lid.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the emaciated future, http://68.media.tumblr.com/94e47881942ed1fb6fa1349abd5841a5/tumblr_og8lhuAnZB1stijv1o1_1280.jpg
mod6: never hurts, get the kinks out early
lobbes: I'll learn shit in the process, at least.
asciilifeform: but in my experience they make poor nodes.
asciilifeform: ( clogs the bus )
lobbes: in other questions: Prompted by up-stack threads and after much log reading I've concluded that a SSD is a must for trb-ing. Would an external usb SSD be adequate, versus, say a SATA connection?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686438 <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on
mircea_popescu: the theory is that there's no "best practices", and deliberately. i'm pretty sure the practice follows the theory, but we'll definitely never know.
sina: anyhooz. patience from the usual suspects on RSA discussion greatly appreciated. must be off, have wonderful days all.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686409 << altogether not even much of a question.
hanbot: lol this poor guy's been trying to have a chuckle the last 20 mins...NOT ALLOWED!
sina: mircea_popescu: and yet it is so, the logs are the only place I can imagine such a sentence being discussed today
mircea_popescu: dja see the difference in quality ?
a111: Logged on 2015-12-28 01:23 mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
sina: I mean I can picture reading it in the logs
sina: "You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses while your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... "
sina: oh. so in the movie Vizzini is the supersmart villain trying to kidnap this lady, and the good guy Dread Pirate Roberts keeps chasing him despite various obstacles Vizzini has created
mircea_popescu: i get that part, but what does it aim to, what's the tendency ?
mircea_popescu: what's the intension ?
sina: mircea_popescu: only as a matter of curiosity, given your worth re above statement, do you take any of these actions?
mircea_popescu: 5) take over the crown.
mircea_popescu: 2) get a proper power supply. this means -- that the power line should feed a battery, not your machine. you can measure leakage if you will, so this can be tweaked by hand to an arbitrary level.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, in order of cheapness-effectivity : 1) get an isolated box for rsa ops. this shouldn't ever connect ot the internet. stuffing into it a stick which was in a net-connected machine counts.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 sina: given that. what are the practicalities, today, on the ground
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686392 to this point : depends how much you're worth. if you're worth nothing, then you are thereby "safe" in this sense, that while protein rich i still don't eat the moths in my house.
sina: trinque: to clarify, contentment in understanding, not of the status quo
trinque: just the contentment!
sina: then I am reasonably content :P
mircea_popescu: there can never be a complete list.
sina: mircea_popescu: if that is a complete list, then I am content with a useful answer.
mircea_popescu: the costs of mitigation ever mount, which is why a proper solution is even contemplated.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you're running the "awl" there are no solutions for this -- just mitigations. do not permit micrphones ; do not permit antennas ; use inductor&battery arrangements ; shoot anyone seen approaching the solitary hilltop fortress and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: sina> just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes << anyone who can listen in (ie, intercept acoustic band) within a mile or so of your machine, can derive your key that way. anyone who can measure your power draw (say, up to the pole) can derive your key that way. anyone who can route to your box, and measure delays, can idem.
sina: "today, until a constanttime solution is in place, gpg is the tool of choice for RSA encryption. any time you use it, you can't know whether you have completely compromised your private key. and we use it anyway."
sina: alright. please let me attempt to summarise the discussion thus far, and correct any misconceptions
trinque: sorta like these guys that come through asking what to do with their raspberry pi wallet or w/e, life savings in dogecoin
asciilifeform: whereas if you simply DON'T MOTHERFUCKING LEAK, it doesn't matter if 500, 5,000,000, whatever.
sina: trinque: does the general commit his troops to an action and see if he fails? or try and understand the enemy movement and tactics, to say "ok, crossing the bridge with enemy awaiting on farside, bad idea" without needing to act on it
trinque: how would you measure whether they are or not, other than acting in the world and seeing if you fail?
sina: whereas I am asking, what is the gradient of consequence, given differing scenarios and adversaries
sina: but that is not congruent with actions taken, otherwise all here would treat their keys as compromised?
sina: it seems the answer so far given is only "the consequence is always the worst, given this particular act"
sina: trinque: of course! and I ask, is there no value in understanding the consequences of a given act?
trinque: sina: never been in a situation where you both had to act and there were no good options?
asciilifeform: == 'what is the point of obeying traffic signals, i have a good chance of death in traffic anyway'
sina: otherwise asciilifeform would surely say "what is the point of encrypting, I am broadcasting my key to all, every time"
sina: it's not an argument, only the next thought that pops into my head as a consequence of the discussion. all here seem on the same page re constanttime stuff, yet all here are using the tool in spite of that, so there must be some thought process which allows someone as reasonably paranoid as asciilifeform to do so, i.e. "I am not concerned with timing attacks of class X, Y, Z from adversary A, B,C when I
sina: and yet, here we all are, encrypting, decrypting, signing ascii with some RSA stuff all the time, in spite of that
trinque: to the antenna in your CPU! lets go full tinfoil.
asciilifeform: to the other electronics, of various provenance, in your house. in your neighbour's house. to martians. etc
asciilifeform: to your neighbour, watching the room lights; to passer-by with antenna; to your isp; varies
sina: anyone who can ping my box? anyone in the world?
asciilifeform: there isn't a 'to whom', that's what word 'broadcast' ~means~
asciilifeform: otherwise may or may not, but YOU DON'T KNOW which
sina: trinque: given the quoted statement, what are the implications? for example, does it imply that a passive network adversary will not be in a position to mount a timing attack? or does it so?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 00:40 asciilifeform: sina: the practicalities are - that every time you unholster your gpg key, you broadcast a few bits of it.
sina: none of us do, and yet, tmsr uses "18th century hygeine" anyway. I am assuming because of considered evaluation of possible threats and their outcome
trinque: sina: you do not and likely will not know the manifold ways modern computing has been perforated for imperial tyranny
sina: trinque: my question being, given a sina sitting in the crater, what is the list of things ~impervious to, what is the list of things not
trinque: there's this reaction to the NSA mindrape that ought to be pointed at directly. and more broadly the socialist mindrape.