mircea_popescu: both. the distinction only exists in a certain (and false) view of teh world. otherwise, to plan it as a literary opus correctly IS for it to grow on its own wya.
palatine: i got a question for you, if you don't mind answering, did you plan trilema as a literary opus by the very start or sorta did it grew out on its own way?
mircea_popescu: well if it makes you feel any better, the us is rapidly catching up.
palatine: your remark is spot on, by the way
palatine: people being totally non tech people either
palatine: yes, that would be fine even if a somewhat hard on the practical level
mircea_popescu: that way you get actual, as opposed to theoretical, attorney-client priviledge.
mircea_popescu is not much of a tech person either.
palatine: agreed then
palatine: i'm a lawyer by profession and trying to escape the barn in general
palatine: not being a tech person i have some trouble with the WoT thing
mircea_popescu: alrighty then
palatine: trilema and a bit of the logs
mircea_popescu: what've you been reading then ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/again-with-the-money-laundering-bullshit/ << Trilema - Again with the "money laundering" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i can envisage a future where the clean html of the republic is viewed through "browser2iphonekek" as javascript-whatever.
mircea_popescu: all systems designed through inductive means can always be improved -- through the removal of the inductive parts and their replacement with deductive equivalents. that's all.
mircea_popescu: it is, for the record, NOT axiomatic, or even true, that any large system can be improved.
phf: oved." etc. etc. last tex release (apart from bug fixes) is version 3 in 1990. you'd think(c)(r), but the reality is that layers and layers of cancer are grown on top of it, and when there's a discussion it is in terms of original values, but when it comes to details its "use this lua pdf unicode thing which comes as part of a 5GB package"
phf: fwiw the dynamic around tex is fascinating. here's very much a literate artifact of high discipline. every piece is a carefully documented literate program, custom tooling that enforces the conventions, "I have also spent thousands of hours trying to ensure that the systems produce essentially identical results on all computers. I strongly believe that an unchanging system has great value, even though it is axiomatic that any complex system can be impr
phf: i don't know if that's the case, that's just my guess. but you are doing fixed size allocations though, and we had threads about it
asciilifeform: bit twiddles to save 1 byte here and there etc
asciilifeform: phf: ftr i'm going for the exact opposite of this liquishit.
phf: "This TEX implementation conforms to the rules of the Pascal User Manual published by Jensen and Wirth in 1975, except where system-dependent code is necessary to make a useful system program, and except in another respect where such conformity would unnecessarily obscure the meaning and clutter up the code"
phf: i suspect it's more about the choice of data structures. for one there are no allocs (very much in the spirit of ascii's ada explorations), so he probably has a lot of mempools, some byte compression and possibly bit twiddling. i've not read the second book yet, because i still haven't compiled the damn thing outside of the reservation
phf: (for me, anyway). There is a system called JavaTex, by Tim Murphy, which might be a bit easier to read, maybe. But I ran out of time. – bubba"
phf: "Like you, I also wanted to study the TeX code. After all, it was written by an eminent computer scientist, and, for a large piece of software, it is remarkably free of bugs. It looked like something significant could be learned. But, I gave up after a while. Mostly because the code is full of clever tricks to pack data into memory locations to save space. This made sense 30 years ago, but not so much today, and it makes the code very difficult to read
mircea_popescu: I blush to tell, I tremble to recite our Persian childhood and its fated plight! or something at the very least. the cogent points is that one tempts the fates at his peril with a recount of how changing the republic for a satrapy contained in itself its future blessings such as they were.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690293 << apparently the best english version of this is a r allinson's "I blush to speak, I tremble to recite our Persian manners and our curse of Fate!".
trinque snarfed an archive of www.thelatinlibrary.com a while back
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:19 mircea_popescu: the fatal weakness, those folks just wanted to get along.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, whether someone is publicly shitting hsi pants every change he gets (aka, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690153 ) versus the other categorical alternative, "doesn't seem to feel in the slightest bit in danger" would rather predict us citizenship than anything else.
mircea_popescu: good for them...
asciilifeform: all i got is the observation that no ransomware writer who targets anglotards seems to feel in the slightest bit of danger in ru.
mircea_popescu: the notion that somehow russia is a free country dun stand, or else you know, we'd just move there.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of proof of absence ; the structure is there quite plainly. if you can be bothered to dig you'll find the rest.
asciilifeform: i dun have the desired exhaustive proof of absence.
mircea_popescu: it's your job to now convince me the "centre for information securityt" of the fsb prosecuted no "hacker" at any point during its decade long tenure.
mircea_popescu: your claim was "0 usg-style preet process", to which i showed 100% preet process : 1. that indeed there was a preet ; and that indeed he was preet'ed.
asciilifeform: expand then plox
asciilifeform: thinking of the kaspersky betrayal case ?
mircea_popescu: exact preet. spent a while "prosecuting" "cybercrime", then got prosecuted in turn.
mircea_popescu: moreover, what did the preet do before being canned, quite a la yezhov ?
asciilifeform: nao maybe they feed'em into woodchippers locally, and quietly, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, for the brief interlude in question. there's no substantial difference today.
mircea_popescu: nevermind the fire. the cultural value of "d00d would be a free man if he sat in moscow." is ~1.
asciilifeform: i can see the argument 'some things needed burnin'
asciilifeform: what's the cultural value of a fire ?
mircea_popescu: did you not say the 1990s never happened ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the ru mob had 0 cultural value.
mircea_popescu: i musta missed this point. esp given the novel discovery that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690227
mircea_popescu: eh, unless you're willing to shoot usg agents on shight / impale the captured etc, ~everywhere is same.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this guy lived in the eastern mediterranean.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, are the ru folx actually dumb enough to regularly visit natostans ( greece in above, spain earlier ) or dragged there 1st and parallelconstructed.
asciilifeform: 'Homeland Security Investigations is strongly committed to tracking down criminals who seek to strike at the foundations of global financial security through complex money laundering schemes' didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, latin philosophy of the time was 60% by mass "women, unbridled, will doom the republic". hence ~porcius~ cato for instance.)
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : fata denotes fate in that text, and male evil. but at the time c. petronius wrote he was doubltess fully aware of the vulgar latin tendency towards what yielded romanian fata (girl), even if very unlikely unaware of the eventual meaning of "male". yet, we can read a vernacular relation there between male/female doubling agency/fate on the distal plane. THIS is what literary genius is all about, ulterior me
mircea_popescu hasn't in much depth checked, but the quoted part at least is correct.
mircea_popescu: http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/petronius1.html << there, apparently it exists online as well. saves me the trouble to publish it.
asciilifeform: chix handkeyed didntthey.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 12:45 asciilifeform: ( the veto-overriding ritual is still upcoming iirc )
asciilifeform: 'The issue was fixed in GCC back in March but only disclosed today on the oss-sec list as CVE-2017-11671. '
asciilifeform: ( the veto-overriding ritual is still upcoming iirc )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 19:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-07-26 17:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho the scheme currently in use by phf is The Right Thing
BingoBoingo: A lesser lol for the anal's beads http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/26/senate-democrats-delay-witness-from-testifying-against-fusion-gps/
mircea_popescu: jeff bezos and the amazington host.
asciilifeform: where was the old mircea_popescu piece, re culture forming from struggle b/w the sane and 9,001 types of subtly mad
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i am entirely convinced the two are orthogonal. there's no more reason in intelligence to be cowardly than there's reason in rain to wet the bed.
mircea_popescu: cuz i suspect they may be sortable, in which case your argument's in trouble.
mircea_popescu: BUT! are those two zeros the same zero ?
mircea_popescu: now, had i believed any of those summed to 1, i'd say nothing but simply be there. the fuck i care, it takes me six weeks to learn a language, any language, and i know no women who'd dare "opine" on the move.
asciilifeform: though i disagree that cowardice is inevitable 'professional disease' of the thinking man. illusion, comes from the fact of bipedal turds masquerading as thinking folx.
asciilifeform: and the valor of afghan sums to 0
mircea_popescu: the overarching point here is that just as never an ought came from an is ; just so no coward managed to reason his way into valor.
asciilifeform: the interesting folx were 'practitioners' -- folx with actual meatspace professions -- rather than today's 'talkers'.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:46 phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
asciilifeform: as i see it, mircea_popescu had the verdict quite ready before reading any.
mircea_popescu: this is the substantive difference here, that i dun care how fucking smart-casual you were dressed or how debate-club-approvably your wit flew. wrong party === losers and no further discussion is useful or necessary.
mircea_popescu: phf the noise isn't even the subject. there's two kinds of girls : those who go, and those who do not go. this is established afore the fact, and NOT at the party. now, a party with the later, no matter how timed or where established, be it "night of the demons"-like or simply a rural "community center" church dance, will NOT yield fucking. period and full fucking stop and jack slow down and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: phf as far as moderns are concerned, y-m le bourdonnec, say, or else hugo desnoyer. probably can even buy a chunk. otherwise, as far as the anthropology / history an' generally scholarship of the matter is concerned, there's late medieval / early modern french, spanish sources, even a bit of latin, but i've not them assembled and at the ready.
phf: 've discussed to death here, why doing so was a waste of time. i suspect that usenet was similar. you have a handful of insightful posts lost in the noise
phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
phf: mircea_popescu: what's there to read in french on meat aging? asking for practical purposes
mircea_popescu: "The attic of the restaurant was loaded with about 100 lbs of boric acid during the remodel."" << yeah, de armond dood clearly knows his way around a restaurant operaiton.
mircea_popescu approves of the cast iron seasoning words.
mircea_popescu: now, aging meat is a respectable topic. problem is the subject is written in french, and these fellows evidently never read any.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-24 03:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only do i own vintage german cars (which, btw, were made for de market and imported here, not made in fucking us/brazil like the rest of the toyotas with bavarian paintjobs), but I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW i just ingested a 28 oz porterhouse steak!
mircea_popescu: so we try our luck with food, a topic on which we happen to know a lot more than most. http://yarchive.net/food/aged_beef.html is factually incorrect on the first meaty claim -- marbledness is poor man's tenderness. i have, like anyone rich enough has had, extremely tender cuts of beef with no fat marbling whatsoever. they sell here for ~50 bux a 28 oz, that's what http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-24#1689656 was.
mircea_popescu: ok, here's a brief journal. tried to pick a topic, which is a problem i don't have a solution for. heuristically picked "computers", inspected some entries, found them to be mostly minutia a la http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/disable_irq_races.html or else very brief and unstructured accidental likbezn a la http://yarchive.net/comp/caches.html
asciilifeform: probably buncha other folx -- have similar.
mircea_popescu: it's that sadly, i fail to find the difference.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i WANT to think that usg == usg, whether usg.yuppies or usg.countercultures.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then! when you have a moment, elighten and instruct.
mircea_popescu: i feel no continuity with these folks, myself.
asciilifeform: as such it is worth imho whole modern net put together, gram for gram
mircea_popescu: having no intention of getting along is a perfect armor against repeating usenet ; or the internet ; or anything else.
asciilifeform: vintage usenet ( in fact the 'yarchive' d00d -- no relation to ycombinator tards et al , see l0gz - has good chunk ) contained folx who actually spent good chunk of 20th c doing things such as organic synthesis of novel 'better living through chemistries', overseeing petro exploration, various productive pursuits of now-mostly-evaporated civilization
mircea_popescu: don't tell me that "if oyu don't read how imbecile smart doods trying to get along tried to get along, you won't ever guess on your own and may repeat the same mistakes".
mircea_popescu: leaves open the question of "why is the history of improductive planet, be it the left can of soda or right can of soda, worthy of preservation".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually rather than 'get along', contained blithering 'einstein was a lyin' j000' crackpots, aetherists, perpetuum-mobilists, etc.
mircea_popescu: i will agree with you that yes, man trying and failing is still man ; but you will i hope agree with me that man failing while still man nevertheless still loser.
mircea_popescu: because the population just wanted to get along ?
asciilifeform: ( received , incidentally, much the same way as mpoe-pr was on tardstalk. )
asciilifeform: originally there.
asciilifeform: d00d laid out how to do the eotvos thing. recipe still on his www last i saw.
mircea_popescu: what of this supposed work can i rely on today ? is there a schematic ? is therew anything ? HOW do you distinguish between this and henninger "publishing" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 17:52 asciilifeform: he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-22 03:06 peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
asciilifeform: [insert the benzyl thread here]
asciilifeform: proof is in the archive.
mircea_popescu: the fatal weakness, those folks just wanted to get along.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, they have no claim to perpetuation whatsoever.
mircea_popescu will make no secret he has ~no respect for the "pistols" of such grandfathers. if they sucked less they might have solved say... ONE of the problems we're stuck with.
asciilifeform also found a https://www.theusenetarchive.com but it appears to be payware, and possible scamola.
asciilifeform: '...world has one single USENET archive (I hope they have backup floppies!), how can I obtain historical data...'
asciilifeform: incidentally, the derpy usg archive thing purports to have some of the original tarballs google 'harvested' to make its now largely dead usenet search : https://archive.org/details/usenet
asciilifeform: some of the folx here might greatly enjoy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the arse spider is a win
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/26/worried-about-the-fork/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Worried about the fork?
shinohai: Welp my female companion has sworn off the internet for the evening after reading latest Trilema.
mircea_popescu: oh oh, and guess the name of my car mechanic ?
mircea_popescu: "While presented under the umbrella name of WizSec, this unofficial independent investigation into MtGox is a voluntary effort of individuals." ehehehehe
BingoBoingo: rage has many flavors, and mebbe USG lives long enough for there to be a next coke machine to Rage Against
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand you shiva hands are full, but maybe you can spit some venom at the Wizsec thing? As "coke machine" prognisticator affair could use your voice from on high.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 13:08 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing : so vast is the usg bureaucracy, you can always use them in a different province. that this is how it works is always evident : just like gavin was supposed to be accepted in bitcoin because of his mit credentials, now he's offered to the naive population of $random-small-town on the basis of his "bitcoin credentials" and so no. as long as nobody digs, figures the usg, the lies stand by default.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/btc-e-down-owner-appears-headed-for-usg-coke-machine-treatment-as-fiatist-thefts-continue/ << Qntra - BTC-E Down Owner Appears Headed For USG "Coke Machine" Treatment As Fiatist Thefts Continue
mircea_popescu: so they are... augmenting the... intelligence, such as it is, of the "customer base"
mircea_popescu: this, btw, should probably count as augmented intelligence : the normal workings of the normie brain make the past very foggy. the deliberate design of the apple and apple-clones makes memory both more costly and less useful than it'd be naturally.
asciilifeform: 'Craig Wright recently boasted they will have 20% of the network hashrate' << apparently these folx NEVER throw an 'asset' away, even when long dead an' rotten..?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure how to phrase this correctly, but, some guy trying to use his own noggin emerged out of the tardstalk swamps at some point years past. apparently he's using some different-same "platform" thing, whatever.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i know the number of links pasted to my logger approaches epsilon, but rewriting those few links to the sensible scheme makes me squeamish nevertheless. probably resolved with a "hey doodz, updating my loggers refs, this includes editing lines logged to point to the new schema."
asciilifeform: in other lulz, cokemachining of btce d00d confirmed in beobachter
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy point. generally, trying to work the pig farm slowly increases the qty of shit you're covered in. digital pig farms aren't much better.
trinque: maybe btc-e guy's owner told him to fork over the wad, and go sit on his spike, as per prior arrangements.
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik goxes typically implode when the coins, such as there were, are long leaked out, and the tank - bone dry
mircea_popescu: hey, for as long as the imbecile cattle "buys" bitcoin on usg.tor and then goes on reddit to "independently" opine about mp...
trinque: didn't say they were.
mircea_popescu: now, trying to get rid of "independent" "exchanges" is logical from their pow, but won't turn out particularly useful, because they weren't all that independent in the first place.
asciilifeform: other than argumento ad redditum
mircea_popescu: well, the usg problem is that they got left with a larger-than-usual hole as a result of their recent attempt to "gold" bitcoin.
asciilifeform: trinque: i still have nfi what is the reason to connect said coins with said lul
trinque: also btc-e still down, massive wad of coins on the move?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 15:52 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/6pnt8g/a_quick_faq_about_the_not_bitcoin_fork_bitcoin/dkqqn1m/ <<< kek
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690018 << "why doesn't 'you hate x therefore love y' bullshit work on these people ?!?!?!" "because they're not idiots, idiot."
asciilifeform: mod6: it doesn't hurt to be familiar: who knows, perhaps the eulora folx will use'dm
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops << yeah, we discussed. just wanted to familiarize myself with 'em.
asciilifeform: they pay in sumthing, neh
mircea_popescu: and greece is possibly the main offender. it gets more free money than ~anyone, per size.
mircea_popescu: without that, there's no bureaucracy.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 13:41 asciilifeform: idiot ircs sucking nato cock and paying for the privilege
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690011 << nah, that's not the way the money flows there. pretty much all orcs, from argentina to france, exist BECAUSE china credits the fed general account and the fed then credits their piddly "national bank" lookalikes.
asciilifeform: mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops
mod6: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-russia-arrest-idUSKBN1AB1OP?il=0 << this the btc-e guy?
mod6: <+shinohai> http://archive.is/j8cXI <<< PLOX to give us our money back << these ICOs are a scam-a-minute huh?
mod6: the really interesting part will be doing any sort of string manip etc.
mod6: most of which are fairly easy to utilize; i've been adventuring through reading in vpatch/sig/pubkeys and storing them in mem.
mod6: nothing interesting at the moment.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 06:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/6pnt8g/a_quick_faq_about_the_not_bitcoin_fork_bitcoin/dkqqn1m/ <<< kek
asciilifeform: idiot ircs sucking nato cock and paying for the privilege
asciilifeform: '(Reuters) - Greek police arrested a Russian man suspected of running a money laundering operation involving turning $4 billion from illicit business activities into the digital currency bitcoin, they said on Wednesday.'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6pkafw/a_quick_faq_about_the_not_bitcoin_fork_bitcoin/dkpyp82/
asciilifeform: in other noose, kako finally retromonkeying with his log
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/a-quick-faq-about-the-not-bitcoin-fork-bitcoin-cash/ << Qntra - A Quick FAQ About The Not Bitcoin fork "Bitcoin Cash"
mircea_popescu: nah it was like 20 bux. 15, 25, something. prolly half a btc at the time or such.
shinohai: (Besides the meltdown over 5 bitcents or whatever it was)
shinohai: I always though https://bounty.bitcoin.com/mtgox.html was one of the lulziest things he ever did
BingoBoingo: Ah, the Bitcoin/Pedocoin fork!
mircea_popescu: he and that schmuck filming a "bitcoin show" with the cam in demo mode pretty much share the accidentally-spotlighted-fucktard award for early bitcoinade.
BingoBoingo: As opposed to the poor masses ver fucked Winter 2014 with "PLS GIX is SOLVENT, k thx Bi"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> am i the only one who recalls the inept lulz back when he was trying to sell/rent that in 2015 ? << AHA, DID SELL/RENT, RE-NIG'd
mircea_popescu: am i the only one who recalls the inept lulz back when he was trying to sell/rent that in 2015 ?
shinohai: http://archive.is/hABGX "in the unlikely event that the 2MB block size increase portion of Segwit2x fails to activate, Bitcoin.com will immediately shift all company resources to supporting Bitcoin Cash exclusively."
BingoBoingo: "The Tesla-landian economy, worth 231 billion Coils a year, is led by the Cheese Exports industry, with major contributions from Book Publishing, Arms Manufacturing, and Retail. State-owned companies are reasonably common. Average income is 38,599 Coils, and evenly distributed, with the richest citizens earning only 3.2 times as much as the poorest." << Oh my, what is this hippy stuff?
mircea_popescu: in the meanwhilulz, someone made a "game" : https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tesla-land
BingoBoingo: But so long as miners live/die on sucking shit, they still gotta do it
BingoBoingo: And yes, this was used as DDoS Sauce against miners in the mempool bloating attacks.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( this function requires potentially unbounded orphanage to eval ) << Well since they can get away with doing it now, they MUST
mircea_popescu: ah yes, you have two different txs that spend the same output ; and the proposal was to resolve which gets included by adding a dependent tx with a higher fee ; so that A' + B always confirm instead of A because larger joint tx fee.
mircea_popescu: amusingly en0ough the tx chain started happening a few weeks after i whined about wtf why is it not there. but i'm sure coincidenceh.
asciilifeform: which they're stuck walking
ben_vulpes: this is the "replace by fee" thing?
mircea_popescu: it's marginally cleaner to do the first rather than the 2nd, but then again it may be actually easier to do something yourselfd than explain to another what to do.
ben_vulpes: yeah, i can do the wallet dance, was curious about this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, about half of them do max 2, about a third of the remainder max 3, and i think ther'es a max 8 also in there.
mircea_popescu: "offline" here just means "that won't hear about the 0fee tx".
mircea_popescu: yes. specifically, to spend the input you sent him. this will produce a chain of A->B txn, of which A has no fee itself but B does (except to get at it you must also include A).
ben_vulpes: so if i send a tx to friend a with no fee, and it gets stuck, the advice is to ask friend a to spend from that address and then miners are in the habit of then including the stuck txn?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the paid address.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spend from the paying address or paid address?
mircea_popescu: by the washpo, and for being a convincingly "liberal" socialist.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> ofc i forgot to set a fee for the node, so it's clearly my fault << spend from the paid address, WITH a fee. most miners will include both.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-25 15:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689863 << lol, the shitrag distinguished by masterpiece http://www.issuesandalibis.org/041913.html#twelve
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689871 << aha! "The economic significance of this Bitcoin roller coaster was basically nil." ~Paul Krugman. a once-respected economist meanwhile quietly beheaded by the republic.
asciilifeform: pretty interesting intro, turns out, to the world pre- intelhegemony -- where you have no ability to assume not only size of byte, but arithmetic model
asciilifeform: i can picture the discussion at the table : 'what if the sign bit on some machine is the FIRST, not last? or kept in the MIDDLE!111'
asciilifeform: in other phunphakts, ada does NOT permit the use of bitwise ops ('and', 'xor', etc) on integer. ( only on booleans; and on 'modular types' - i.e. where the compiler is absolutely certain that subj is a machine integer and machine uses 2s-complement representation.)
asciilifeform: interestingly asciilifeform recently learned that the 'mutate high to low S and broadcast malleated tx but ONLY if a 'doublespend attempt' ( you retransmitting, say, with patched trb ) is detected ' thing is STILL running
ben_vulpes: well what i do not understand is what the low/high s bit has to do with its deprioritization in favor of spamola
asciilifeform: there are none so blind as those who will not open their third eye. or how did it go.
asciilifeform: then thank spamola
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you have the low-S patch , neh ?
ben_vulpes: ofc i forgot to set a fee for the node, so it's clearly my fault
a111: Logged on 2017-07-25 14:40 mircea_popescu: and in other wtfs, http://www.issuesandalibis.org/041913.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689863 << lol, the shitrag distinguished by masterpiece http://www.issuesandalibis.org/041913.html#twelve
mircea_popescu: the FUCKING POINT of the ipo was to get y'all idiots and imbeciles to "all" something. and it... failed. and now ? ???
mircea_popescu: "what, that thing that makes our theoretical system unworkable in practice ? PISH! we could switch the earth into a concave form if we all agreed to jump at the same time!"
mircea_popescu: i find it hysterical how the socialist mind is entirely immune to any consideration of communication costsa
shinohai: This shit is the ultimate SFYL generator
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFiMhNUXoAUbdyR.jpg "If someone were to someone (sic) confiscate 100% of the available tokens, all we need to do is refuse to stand behind them and recreate the token under a new contract"
mircea_popescu: In a post-mortem announcement, Middleton posted online today, the Veritaseum CEO said "the amount stolen was miniscule (less than 00.07%) although the dollar amount was quite material."
shinohai: LOL The Baloney xchange won' provide support for BCC, Ver immediately pays for farticle: http://archive.is/7RsXy
asciilifeform: ^ ethertards cleaned again
mircea_popescu: maybe vellum archival is the way to go after all.
mircea_popescu: this registry go to the way side and be used by some random porn site to push traffic... to many that identify as M/s this is a part of who they are!"
mircea_popescu: in other cypherfunk lulz, "SlaveRegistry.com was allowed to go defunk on April 4th 2017, it went to auction on 5-9-17 and after a bidding war for the domain my baby and I took formal ownership of it on 5/16/17 to make sure that the M/s community still had this resource. Just like many other M/s couples my baby has a slave number which is permanently etched on my body just as my masters mark is on hers. I was not about to let
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alt-tuck-ins and other bed times, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e27f251e20f577a380f52ae796cb77ea/tumblr_ocvn14UUJl1vq3kwco1_1280.jpg