mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he slid over the floor at the rate and in the manner of a tiny tumbleweed being blown by wind a coupla days ago. i jumped up because wtf, tiny tumbleweeds blown by wind ??!?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the thing, it's not measurable! certainly not pixel resolution. it has a bizarre sort of say pre-compressed multi-cell-linked sort of resolution.
mircea_popescu: and expected to follow and impart the law and so on.
mircea_popescu: this is what it is : you get your stars, you are now an adult, protected by the storied item as all adults.
mircea_popescu: phf no, they are adults.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they're fabulous, the little shits. you know they actually change color, BUT NOT in the "oh, i have an ipad, i get how this works" thing ? they're not gonna display fucking sluts on their backs. but it CLEARLY works for the purpose (camouflage) shockingly well.
phf: i ran out of the thought half way through and hoped you wouldn't notice, but it's not even consistent with the narrative that i was ripping from. in the original after they make the tattoo they are now ready for the highest office, etc.
mircea_popescu: the jap xtian thing ?
asciilifeform: phf: i inevitably think of the automummificators, reading this
mircea_popescu: (rather : the proposition that they thereby must ascend to nirvana / retire / disappear in a loud pop and the laws of the universe becoming more complex is very much a symptom of teh problem!)
mircea_popescu: i don't see why they'd retire.
phf: what you need is a glass bead tattoo, a hypothetical multidisciplinary meditative practice that culminates in a tattoo that fully encompasses the complexity of modernity and that the practitioner can apply to himself before finally retiring from the public sphere
mircea_popescu: dividual lego piece and make the "tallest pyramid" with the half dozen items available to them. there's uncounted items available today, what fucking X-property-deductively-proven item.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the tattoo situation (me asking girly "why haven't you yet figured out a tattoo that works to put on yourself!!!") is very much like me asking alf "where is the proper computer!!!". the complexities involved in making sense of the immense jumble that modern world puts at disposal are exponential on the base, and the base grew exponential on time. we'll, likely, never catch up. yes ppls 5k years ago could lick every in
mircea_popescu: very vaguely related : one of the few romanians worth the mention, mocking romanian ows translation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXT0H-Kzsw
mircea_popescu: which is why they keep trying to "empire" instead. except empire dun work just because you need it to.
mircea_popescu: phf anglotard youths are not allowed to fuck their elders, and consequently anglo culture is impossible ; and there can never be such a thing as an anglo nation.
mircea_popescu: and the reason they don't work is very strictly related to "freedom" and you know, consumer market segmentation. as long as there's no universally meaningfull root there can't possibly be meaningful tribal behaviour ; and if there is such a root there can't be democracy.
phf: it's funny because by the time tattoo crazy started there was already enough old people with tattoos that both had the almost uniform "i made terrible mistakes" attitude and very much were self-evident personification of the sentiment. and then i guess there was a new generation planning on never getting old (or changing in any way)
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mircea_popescu: the ~only even vaguely possible wester-contemporary-tattoo is of course http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-15#1102059 ; but not even this works, because why the fuck are you getting a IANA for it. however you turn this, tattoos dun work in modern world.
mircea_popescu: and this is the fundamental point here : white slut of contemporary does so many incompatible things she can't be meaningfully tattooed.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this idea is that person spends 1 ppm if that doing the item ; and rest of 999`999 ppm doing something incompatible.
mircea_popescu: no, i get the idea.
asciilifeform: idea was to troll the border guards in usa
mircea_popescu: was she going to be a munition living among the brazillians ?
asciilifeform: the 'munition' thing was possible exception : in the clinton-era statutes, a body with rsa perl ~was~ counted 'munition'
mircea_popescu: because she's a use aka gnoseology and tattos are a being aka ontology. and these do not meet.
mircea_popescu: most of the time, the item will only serve to prove that she's not what she thought she might be.
mircea_popescu: well so then it's going to be ridiculous, what.
mircea_popescu: she isn't going to BE the fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: the "use" of symbolic / ritual behaviour is an attempt of primitive mind to translate for roman faggot.
mircea_popescu: but this is again the fundamental problem : it;s not a matter of "use".
mircea_popescu: otherwise, she was going to be a confused ditz.
mircea_popescu: the "im a munition" woman was going to actually be a munition MAYBE once, ever.
mircea_popescu: but if you're some office plankton there's no tattoo thart can possibly fit.
mircea_popescu: this is my point : if you are a tribal hunter, you are a tribal hunter all day long. if you're vory, you're the fucking stars. fine.
mircea_popescu: doing something on the basis of "it'll be cook for 12 seconds the first time someone sees me and once in 7 months at a party" is very dumb in that it neglects the other 99.99% of the context.
asciilifeform: mno the rsa one, in '90s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, thats very specifically what i mean. oh, "She's a munition" ? what context is it in. woman is on the toilet taking a crap. is she a munition ? is it cool ?
asciilifeform: dunno, the rsaperl-cum-'i am a munition' tat was almost cool
mircea_popescu: if you're not a fucking tribal hunter spending your time in pelts on horseback throwing spears ; if you're not a jailbird of the "jail -- only home" persuasion ; if you're not of any of the other few categories wtf are you thinking.
mircea_popescu: i confess i never understood the tattoo bs.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the locker room, http://68.media.tumblr.com/99a7ee9d3bf85ee0839c3e21c5e31e40/tumblr_o7zrd4OWXu1r4y8dbo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: prolly the 'unsexy' inventory handlig etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. and the one capital acct where needed payments can be hidden.
mircea_popescu: (not the crap on the rockets itself ; but there's a lot of on-the-ground tracking and whatnot)
asciilifeform: perfect match, madeinheaven -- the 1 system absolutely nobody will notice if rots
mircea_popescu would very much like to see the lulzpile involved. fully systemd yet ? etc.
mircea_popescu: i am not specifically informed ; but from common business sense looking at the cashflows, that contract was terminated in 2015.
phf: oh i was just experimenting with a different setup, try to see what fits and how, and how big is the footprint, that sort of thing
mircea_popescu: tent in the room eh ?
mircea_popescu: (for equity should also point out the 262k in 2015 is very exceptional, dude averages sub 100k over 5 years)
mircea_popescu: phf is it one of those you don't like painting because you feel the walls closing in every time ?
mircea_popescu: funded 262k personally in 2015 / 800 bucks under the corp name in 2011.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possibly the worst spy movie ever made. batshit ridiculous nonsense.
mircea_popescu: with the anglo version of alain delon (richard burton)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since apparently we are among cold war aficionados, anyone saw "the spy who came in from the cold" ?
mircea_popescu: the clinical classification specifically requires "no utility".
asciilifeform: he's just the man to cure asciilifeform's hoarding
mircea_popescu: there's a substantial difference between that and a hoarding problem.
asciilifeform: if he ever comes to these parts.
mircea_popescu: and in other "rules to live by" : skirt always shorter than heels!
mircea_popescu: cue the ancient joke, "two jewish families go on vacation late august in this florida roach motel cuz it's cheaper. mid afternoon they can hear each other fucking the balabusta through the paper walls, cuz it's chepaer than going out. one yells "hey itzak, is this work or leisure ?" "leisure strul, if it were work we'd have hired the paper boy to do it."
BingoBoingo: (((r0nin-))) Why the semetic fascination?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 22:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694665 << if it's anything like the last goxtime around, not 1 in 100 is buying ACTUAL bitcoin, but goxolade
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694691 << hey, if there wasn't a bar to meet, how would we get rid of all the 99% useless males women keep spawning ?
mircea_popescu: ^ sorry for teh delay. there's going to be a smg report next month, skipping the current.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#selection-153.0-153.35 << fine example of worse-than-office tripot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694672 << muchly depends. if the office is the usual usian horror, and the casino floor is the item from glamour shots, with the floozies and the hookers and so on, definitely. but the casino floor can be pretty depressing, especially in fucking arkansaw. and the office can be a total insoutenable legerete de l'etre style hospital, especially in eastern europe 1990s "media" or whatever "i'm
mircea_popescu: so, to ask the proper question here r0nin- , what is with the spawn of herdemocracy, always trying to edge in equalitits on some level or other ? ownership is not marriage, it is ownership. whether women or lands or anything else - the sovereign above, the thing below, their relationship unequal.
mircea_popescu: just because the duke of wurtenberg also holds luneburg doesn't mean he thereby isn't the lord sovereign in stuttgart anymore. he is, the people there bow to him like they always did, whatever other lands abroad he meanwhile acquired.
r0nin-: mircea: ever going to settle down and set roots somewhere? or ever forever the jewish digital nomad
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 22:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694636 << what are they gonna run out of ? cement ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694676 << same thing they ran out of in iraq/afghanistan etc. i'd say "men" but it's not really it. you could say "people" but certainly not it. you know, non-retarded, non-gender-confused etc etc human beings.
asciilifeform: ( why crapple went with bsd ? partly the 'nextstep' ancestor; partly that in late 1990s it was still thought possible that gpl would have teeth )
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 17:46 mircea_popescu: but, usg corp "producing" item in the vein of linux with serials filed off is no surprise by now. no turkeys, no alternative.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694665 << if it's anything like the last goxtime around, not 1 in 100 is buying ACTUAL bitcoin, but goxolade
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 20:05 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694494 << did you use your vtron here? My vtron does not support bsd at this time, when we have a working trb on bsd, then will support bsd.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694653 << i did neither, but used existing press dir, from when i had pressed this on linux box
asciilifeform: mine gathers dust.
asciilifeform: and it not merely pisses but shits on gpl, the thing cannot be turned into an actual linux, and actual linux (i.e. without massive blobage) is STILL unsolved problem on that box
asciilifeform: ^somewhere in there
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 17:38 mircea_popescu: there's an absolute limit turkey dollars put on "tower to the moon" efforts : if you have at most 100 turkeys you can commit, printing further pictures of a turkey on paper will not help you in your effort to build the "cart driven by 101 turkeys". because the 101th physically does not exist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694636 << what are they gonna run out of ? cement ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 17:33 mircea_popescu: (there's been a long time train running boston to wash dc, reasonably fast, reasonably popular in the 80s. meanwhile gradually disused)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694570 << mircea_popescu that looks great, i'ma turn the knob shortly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the yang eastern european camp, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMFR8nn_l8
mod6: Anyway, I'm guessing that you did. As long as you have all of the 0.5.4-RELEASE patches/seals/keys you should be fine. you could be correct about some of the alterations for locks not taking on the bsd-side.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 15:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : to be very specific, the wedged box is running a press of mod6's 0.5.4-release, with the only change being phf's bsd patch linked yesterday.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694494 << did you use your vtron here? My vtron does not support bsd at this time, when we have a working trb on bsd, then will support bsd.
mod6: <+trinque> in theory, the "profile" mechanism would allow for a tmsr ebuild tree that could build on multiple chosen platforms. << this in fact, would be pretty neat.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 04:39 mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694393 << it's most likely deep in the bowels of bsd-bdb interactions. << ah yeah, maybe so. I recall digging into this on the bsd side.
mircea_popescu: and in other "young cunt attempts to escape poverty at home", http://68.media.tumblr.com/f308fbf77919f52e61a7fb30c6cb056a/tumblr_o7xrd8yjoF1s1rffco1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: anyway, what was "the competitor" androidos ? centos or what ?
mircea_popescu: but, usg corp "producing" item in the vein of linux with serials filed off is no surprise by now. no turkeys, no alternative.
mircea_popescu: (we're not going to even go in discussions of low pressure airflow, which is a horror the wide-eyed proponents are not intellectually equipped to consider ; let's just simply talk in terms of "i can't get a plumber to fuck my wife the same week but i'll somehow get together workers willing to dig a ditch so and so long".)
mircea_popescu: there's an absolute limit turkey dollars put on "tower to the moon" efforts : if you have at most 100 turkeys you can commit, printing further pictures of a turkey on paper will not help you in your effort to build the "cart driven by 101 turkeys". because the 101th physically does not exist.
mircea_popescu: the "buying russia" item was lulzy enough, but still, explainable in terms of ra ra ra. but this nonsense is simply demented.
mircea_popescu: musk doesn't have 1% of 1% of the money he needs to build such a thing. wtf already.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what these folk are sniffing, but it must be some sort of heavily psychotropic mold infected their conference centers.
mats: not actually boston because nobody apparently wants to come here (see dearth of airlines using BOS as hub) but http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538328487/elon-musk-says-he-has-verbal-ok-to-build-n-y-d-c-hyperloop
mircea_popescu: (there's been a long time train running boston to wash dc, reasonably fast, reasonably popular in the 80s. meanwhile gradually disused)
mircea_popescu: there's an east coast variant ?!
mircea_popescu: wait i thought they were doing it on west coast ?
mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't worry -- the only way this happens is if the chinese do a us-equivalent of their plan to colonize europe, and front the coupla trillion needed.
mats: putting it in production will test the massively inflated suburban and urban property values
mircea_popescu: in any case they're not making the la to sf item for the quoted 5 to 15bn. boston's big dig, a project a degree of mangnitude smaller, ended up costing well over a trillion, and this is 1999 dollars. also taking five x the time, but we leave that ot the side.
mircea_popescu: it's really a remake of the french tgv neh ?
mats: i look forward to seeing 'hyperloop' in production, this should accelerate the death of vast road networks in usa
mircea_popescu: and this is just you know, high level executives aka waitresses. if you look at 1920s rank and file, they lived in dorms within the textile mill complex. kinda like universities today, except you know, 30 to the room and with hall monitors turning off the lights at 8:30.
mircea_popescu: 1920s waitress would live in whatever accomodations she could find within walking distance of her bar ; and go to downtown like every other weekend and think this a major, awesome accomplishment. but 2020s waitress (aka "software engineer") exepcts to be able to travel all over the city each day. what, he's from brooklyn ? that shouldn't mean he can't work in the lower east side, what's he, some kind of slave ?!?!
mircea_popescu: at home, yes every single last one dork out of the 20mn can think himself overpoweringly important. at least until the broadband craps out.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "work from home" craze.
mircea_popescu: their problem is that they all think they're important. such people can not transport ; they must stay put.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 way to have functional transportation in a city of aspies.
mats: theres not really any kinda grid layout in sj, and bus routes are so awful that many employees take shuttles staged in the morning at local grocery store parking lot
mircea_popescu: "if all people were perfectly attentive, perfectly intelligent and perfectly dedicated to the task of making our plan work ; and if they were perfectly equal and perfectly convinced we should be telling them what to do in detail ; THEN here's a solution to a problem!"
mircea_popescu: ask the author, or generally any "city planner" what are the wrong assumptions they hid in the nonsense ? they'll look at you like you're from mars. yet... 1. all people = all other people. there's exactly 0 concept of social hierarch. 2. all people == spherical cpus in a vacuum. really bitch, i'll keep track of your stupid grids, and CONNECT ? i'm not fucking connecting lol, wtf do i care where the bus is at.
mircea_popescu: speaking of "GRIDS", here's a very typical, and very unwittingly amusing offering : http://humantransit.org/2010/02/the-power-and-pleasure-of-grids.html
mircea_popescu: but that was the glamor : "honey, you don't suck cock because you can't, not because you don't want to ; but even if you sucked cock, and even if you were extremely good at it, it'd still take you months to manage what i can do overnight if i fucking feel like it".
mircea_popescu: ives the slut a career)
mircea_popescu: (this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g
mircea_popescu: it's just not the 20s anymoar.
mircea_popescu: mats yes, but intern can then progress to independent contractor / work for self and cut the costs to 0. this is what say 5 years' experience buys you. 5 years' experience in the casino buys you jack.
mircea_popescu: lmao i was thinking, since when the fuck do indians care about stench.
mats: public transportation is GRIDS in sv, at least the san jose area, so... tack on car ownership costs too
mircea_popescu: (official numbers -- 81.6k is the average salary for sv intern, apparently ; 2087 the yearly work hours). turns out they make 40 bux.
mircea_popescu: at some past glory age poker was, at least mythically, the way to actually sit at the same table with people who matter, and thereby actually have some sort of access to the meaning of the world. these days...
mircea_popescu: actually, the real money is in doing something else. the real sluts, the real errythings too.
mats: i believe even top-tier pros struggle to do 50/hr consistently just grinding games - the real money is in tournaments
mircea_popescu: if you rob them worth a coupla hundred an hour, which is probably an overstatement, you'd make about the same as a silicon valley "engineer".
mats: yeah, that sucks. i go to casinos because i enjoy the idea of robbing tourists, retirees, and chumps
mircea_popescu: they're mediocre, neither amazing nor terrible. but they're old, and stupid, and lazy. and not the sort of person i want to be around at all.
mats: costa rican poker is played by... retirees? and they're no good?
mircea_popescu: mats i tried to go play at local casino. dumped my chips half hour in because i got this unbearable feeling im at a florida retirement home playing canasta with the inmates.
mats: notbad, went out on a boat yesterday n thinking about whether to go to a casino to play holdem
mircea_popescu: amusingly, that'd prolly how comps would work if women made them originally.
asciilifeform: the correct world is 'dataflow' (see logz) where every op signals output-ready, and no op proceeds until all inputs signal same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i already walked the blox on the node in question, found 0 peculiar orphans
mircea_popescu: anyway, i quoted the blocks by hash so you can check if those are the ones you're struggling with, as opposed to magicalorphans.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is just poorly written allocates a potentially infinite number of locks as part of handling the last block.
mircea_popescu: you understand the lock thing refers mostly to handling reorgs, it isn't historical count or anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: total db index mass at that point in the sync
mircea_popescu: lol yeah, well, i would put it past "people themselves" to keep archives.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, the sum of what ?
mircea_popescu: i mean what, they kept 5 years of history ?
mircea_popescu: historically the problem is "o noes, orphan chain", but i have nfi who would be owning or propagating orphan chains at that height.
asciilifeform: not the tx individually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are too small for that to be touched.
asciilifeform: just happens to be the straw that breaks camel's back
mircea_popescu: none of these are problematic in either the "new boltons to protocol" p2sh sense or size sense.
shinohai: Meanwhile, at the "Bitcoin Cash" labs: https://github.com/fyookball/electrum/issues/6#issuecomment-319662093
asciilifeform did go back and verify that in fact it has the locks patch and is indeed mod6's release + phfpatch -- rather than asciilifeform's mistake
asciilifeform: i dun think it is anything to do with that tx per se -- it is the drop that overflowed the barrel in pre-dblockspatch trb
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 04:09 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GWzyh/?raw=true << the pattern, in short.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 12:58 asciilifeform: anyway if you actually read the log, would see sig verify failing repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aite, leaving it be then.
mircea_popescu: phf can you add a refby:name to logotron search ? it'd be equivalent to from:mircea "btcbase.org/log" but list the values rather than the references.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : to be very specific, the wedged box is running a press of mod6's 0.5.4-release, with the only change being phf's bsd patch linked yesterday.
trinque: in theory, the "profile" mechanism would allow for a tmsr ebuild tree that could build on multiple chosen platforms.
asciilifeform: because otherwise it is wtf martian ???.
asciilifeform: i still gonna saw open the elf & see if inside is what's expected
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( the debuglog, specifically )
asciilifeform: anyway if you actually read the log, would see sig verify failing repeatedly.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 06:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694347 << the problem seems entirely like slow node struggliong with lengthy orphan chain.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694445 << except that this node beat the living shit out of dulap previous 2 yrs, speedwise, because ssd.
mircea_popescu: a then prolly not.
BingoBoingo pencils it into "to see" list, has something of an allergy to musical theater genre
BingoBoingo: In other news Trump is pushing an immigration bill that would institute a point system with major points for speaking English. This is bullish for pinays.
BingoBoingo: "We captured your citadel and taken your women into bondage. They have celebrated rather than lamented the evolution of their situation" << Discourse
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : kathy keeton treated her breast cancer with hydrazine sulphate, an idea she got reading penthouse (which she published)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 04:39 mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694393 << it's most likely deep in the bowels of bsd-bdb interactions.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694380 << there's no "we fixed X" outside of a rewritten p2p model. what exactly are you going to fix ? orphan chain reorgs take a lot of db resources as it is now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694347 << the problem seems entirely like slow node struggliong with lengthy orphan chain.
BingoBoingo: Way behind the times. The hunnit dolla prollem solva https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/719005259/redirect
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 03:43 phf: you replay to 167998, you then let it run till 168000 on the network. if it doesn't wedge with that setup, than you have two possibilities. it is either a heisenbug, or you need to replay to an earlier block, say 167000 and let that run on the wild network, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694341 << the method is correct, but entirely unjustified effort for the possible payoff. nodes wedge because legacy bitcoin is shit, this sort of chrome polishing you propose is to be reserved for actually written code imo.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 20:26 asciilifeform: what's there to inspect ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694272 << you've looked at these neh ? it's a very strict format, first line the command, 2nd line the otp. what last year's codes fits this format ?
mircea_popescu: relays hash(it) to T and L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and reveals (C) to L. L calculates hash(OTP) and compares it with what D sent."
mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694264 << pretty impressive design, imo. definitely overkill for the originally contemplate usecase, which is the right way to go from experience, usecases balloon in bitcoin.
mod6: Perhaps this is something related to trying to handle the P2SH. Unsure at this point, but worth a look.
mod6: also a while back guruvan brought up the fact that when BIP 16 (P2SH) was put in was in or around this block? maybe this block exactly (need to confirm still). But if you decode these:
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 19:27 phf: that memory is incorrect, the correct memory would be of ~you~ barfing at the then suggestion of supporting bsd :>
mircea_popescu hasn't looked at the bsds in years.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 19:15 asciilifeform: midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-05#1694227 << lol what tales from the crypts are these!
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/4272e27dda08f699fe4746a7a18ac902/tumblr_o371mz3kLQ1tvy3cwo1_500.gif ; mostly quoted for the sledgehammer.
mod6: here's the tx in question, exists in block 168`001: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/In853/?raw=true
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-23#1210236 << I remember that we disagree even as to which block is the problem.
mod6: Also, this is a non-deterministic problem, which adds to the frustration. You have a good candidate machine, it seems, to help get this resolved though. I'll dig through your logs a bot.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8559&pr=1 << And it comes FOR the darkness too
mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this!
mod6: Look. First off, no I don't believe we ever found the cause of this. I remember pulling my hair out trying to figure it out -- there are logs indicating as much.
asciilifeform: it was still THERE, waiting.
asciilifeform: weigh the 2 kernels, you'll see why.
mod6: I'm confused, are you saying that you're not interested in making a Cuntoo then?
asciilifeform: naively thought 'i'll start with the smallest trb node!'
mod6: so run on linux then
asciilifeform: went away on linux ( and apparently openbsd ) from locks patch, and that was the end of the thread
a111: Logged on 2015-07-23 01:10 mod6: we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-23#1210108 << afaik this was never actually resolved in the logs
asciilifeform: i am using literally the same deps dir as for past 2y.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, phf didja see 168kisms on openbsd? << not me, but others did, see: <+BingoBoingo> http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=168000
asciilifeform: and it goes on, and on, the invalidchainfound index marches on and on, then reorg fails, then ... etc
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/liquishit.txt << representative sample of the interesting part. (warning -- 20MB!)
asciilifeform: all this time i thought there were reproducibles. but it is nonsense to speak of reproducibles in 200Mb of liquishit dep that does whatever the fuck it wants
phf: until you can actually reproduce the nature of locks patch vs. block (or whatever wedges)
asciilifeform: i am increasingly of the notion that i can't rreason about ANY of it
asciilifeform: my suspicion is that the bdb locks patch somehow has no effect when bdb built on netbsd
phf: you replay to 167998, you then let it run till 168000 on the network. if it doesn't wedge with that setup, than you have two possibilities. it is either a heisenbug, or you need to replay to an earlier block, say 167000 and let that run on the wild network, etc.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/05/the-bitcoin-crash-fork-failure-chronology/ << ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Bitcoin Crash fork failure chronology.
phf: if it consistently wedges at 168000 across various machines and settings then it's not a question of wild sewage
asciilifeform: nor the timings.
asciilifeform: eatblock doesn't replicate the unknown stream of wild sewage that thing ate.
phf: split the current blocks, eat block until 167998, then on each restart copy the 167998 state folder over the settings folder
phf: well, if i were approaching this, i'd replay to 167998 or so, setup a script to ensure that every time i start trb it starts from that state. i would then see if on forward play it would wedge. i would then investigate what is the nature of wedging, and slowly instrument the code along the various paths to tell me where exactly it decides to stop doing the right thing, etc.
phf: i don't remember every suggesting anything remotely similar. my suggestion would be to debug it, and solve the problem, rather than "mp's fix somehow magically resolves it"
asciilifeform: anyway phf mod6 BingoBoingo et al taking suggestions ( other than the beneath-contempt nonsense of 'reboot and jiggle the handle blindly until it works and forget about cement fleet ' )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:32 asciilifeform: mod6: imho manual knobs ~for unwedging~ are a fundamental mistake. nodes shouldn't be wedgeable, period. and the only use for a wedged node is to learn why it wedged and to make said scenario impossible in the future.
BingoBoingo: Assumed, dropping for other esteemed readers
asciilifeform: phf: there was a bdb idiocy iirc that wedged at 168k
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the absolute most total nogood.jog
asciilifeform: ( and where if the addnode people get hiccupped it will pick a rando scum to rely on, and never drop him no matter how many hours, days, WEEKs without newblock incoming)
asciilifeform: i duneven know if to blame bsd ( how..? ) or the imbecile's sync algo where all depends on who first node syphilitically fucks on warmup
asciilifeform: i walked the logs , found no record of a nailed root cause or finalsolution