asciilifeform: for what are they being saved by using undersized rsanuke ?
asciilifeform: the 'waste' argument would be cogent if we were suffering a drought of cpu cycles somehow.
asciilifeform: if you were dropping the n00k on soros, would you settle for 'sufficient' 10ktonne, or opt at slightly moar cost for 100mtonne kuzkina mat' if available ?
mircea_popescu: the ustards tried, with their golden toilets. didn't work out for them. meanwhile irl i still pack the new girls two to an apartment, as per http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/
mircea_popescu: beleive it or not this is the logic i use all the time. what, you think rich people get a special science / engineering that works differently ?
asciilifeform: it is pretty strange imho to read mircea_popescu operating with the logic of poverty -- '100 horse suffices for standing at red light, why would anyone want a bugatti', '400 sq metres suffices to house a family' -- how is 4096b rsa any different ?
mircea_popescu: alternative candidates have nothing speaking for them.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is the smallest power of two which produces a rsa key that is, factually, incomputable.
asciilifeform: ain't as if people were born with 32bit cpu stuffed up their arses, neh
mircea_popescu: increasing tank size up to the 4096 bit tank pays off. increasing tank size past 4096 bit tank results in fucking panthers and whatnot.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not even 'we must 8192!!1' but that 4096 is an accidental measure, like the volume of one particular bucket one particular child left on a beach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless, there is an optimal bullet per target, and nobody makes the calibre twice as big. if not because their mind works enough to understand why not, then because the very sad experience of the nazis illustrates why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense argument, and in fact they could "afford" both but they don't fucking use both. they use the correctly sized one based on human thickness and wetware bullet refraction properties.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is EXACTLY not the case. i am saying "7.62 is sufficient, because it will blow a hole through man, as result of interplay of actual universal constants" and you are saying "yes but 15.2 would be bigger".
asciilifeform: what i see is an elementary '7.62mm is inevitably better than 5.56, if you can afford either'
mircea_popescu: the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes.
asciilifeform: that's where i was going, the fuckyou joe, that a 'hot' key may have a finite life.
mircea_popescu: to quote that film i reviewed recently, "what do they want for their lousy 35 cents ? to live forever ?"
mircea_popescu: then fuck you joe.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear that there is a 'fix'.
mircea_popescu: if ~you~, joe, leak bits, then you, joe, are responsible, and you, joe, pay for the fix. not the fucking cryptosystem.
mircea_popescu: but there shall never be a systematic solution for tactical failure.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is the largest power of two which makes a key that is incomputable.
mircea_popescu: in any case, entirely incomparable items. yes, people do dumb shit all the time. but this doesn't mean people doing the right thing should do it once and wear a vest "to make sure".
asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu is defending a figure that came from wholly arbitrary, rather than natural, constraint ( 'what is fast on a uniprocessor x86 box' == 4096 )
asciilifeform: ( recall the winxp battleship etc )
mircea_popescu: the "two digit year" thing is incomparable to the 4096 bit thing, because the 4096 bit thing is backed by "the whole universe, if it set to computing, still wouldn't EVER get even close to breaking a key".
asciilifeform: or the ones who put win95 in roms
asciilifeform: it dun make the people who used 2-digit years in rom code, any less stoopid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and that's the discussion here. if it's costly in excess of utility then the WHOLE thing is broken, and "fixes" in the sense contemplated merely further the breakage.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as man-made transcendent.
mircea_popescu: ie, currently they don't exist. later on, they will. later still, they'll break. laterer yet they'll be replaced.
mircea_popescu: now, the above is an opinion you or anyone is welcome to hold, like any other opinion. i however don't hold it.
asciilifeform: mno. observation was re concrete cases where it is impractical to change a key. say, the parasitic radio item.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : if what you are saying it's not practical to change keys (ie, that the per-op value add of key is less than the per-op value lost to suspected leak) THEN therefore what you are saying is "rsa is not worth using"
mircea_popescu: no, it's expensive because, mathematically.
mircea_popescu: which is what's contemplated here. "oh, changing keys (ie, buying house) is impractical. therefore, let us take out mortgage (pay a little evert time we use key), because it's less affordable but more accessible and the woman is too dumb to understand the difference and we're too castrated to not let her run the household)
asciilifeform dun follow the analogy
mircea_popescu: understand asciilifeform : if you can't afford to buy a house in cash, this means YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE. period. go sleep under the fucking bridge. and no, the fact that you ~could~ get a mortgage pay monthly DOES NOT!!!! make it now possible.
mircea_popescu: if THAT isn't practical, then sure as fuck larger keys aren't practical.
mircea_popescu: but that is practical to the power ^1, whereas thicker keys expensive to ^ of n.
mircea_popescu: if you believe that, the correct solution is to change keys, not to make all the keys randomly thicker.
asciilifeform: other problem is that there is a small but finite probability of misfires in rsatron , such that would leak a bit.
mircea_popescu: so it being the fundamental reasoning, it's ok to have it explicit, but implicit or explicit it ain't gonna budge.
asciilifeform: sorta why i put the effort into crafting a demonstrably bug-free constantimetron, first thing, rather than 'let's use gnu gmp with massive keyz'
mircea_popescu: so if you're gonna plug, plug the right end of funnel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but good pipe is finitely good ^ 1 whereas tick pipe is expensive to the ^ n.
mircea_popescu: (honestly me thought the above is the tacit understanding at the base of the effort)
mircea_popescu: because expensive as it may be, it is WAY the fuck cheaper to make good pipe than to make thicker pipe to cover for all the leaks due to it being shitty pipe.
mircea_popescu: yes, but my point here is that it is perhaps a defensible heuristic, but not defensible reasoning, to expect that just because p, q and p*q are coupled in that manner, any application to do with their coupling therefore informs you as to p or q.
mircea_popescu: so there, "a novel fact"
asciilifeform: sig gives you a novel fact re the private exponent
mircea_popescu: or are you proposing they both leak ?
mircea_popescu: and so the proposition here is that WHILE rsa encryption does not leak bits, nevertheless rsa signing does ?
asciilifeform: ( though i will nitpick, and point out that the exponentiations are ~always~ done modularly , otherwise universe not bigenuff )
mircea_popescu: so, you publish a number S, and a pubkey P. the verification consists of doing S ^ P.e and checking that it is equal to the hash of the proposed message mod P.N
mircea_popescu: let us consider the proper signature scheme for a moment here ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: isn't the only argument
mircea_popescu: but the argument for "4096 is not enough" can not be constructed.
mircea_popescu: the argument for not using 2048 is already very far fetched ("but what if someone makes a computer the size of our galaxy, WHAT THEN!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but still twice the work, however space-time negotiated.
mircea_popescu: in exchange you get two things : you get 2x the size of message blocks (an advantage that is actually a disadvantage as now you're using 1kb udp packets which is i expect margionalkly worse than 2 512s) ; and you get a harder rsa (an advantage which is no sort of advantage, the 4096 rsa is already harder than the extant universe)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's like... 100 days sorta thing ? why exactly, have they decided the whole thing coming out of the previous attempts was the brief interval of "confusion" before being stomped and so trying to maximize that ? << This is Barry Sillybert's stunt
mircea_popescu: and specifically re 8192 : if you use that, all the crypto operations take twice as long. this is a certain cost.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 16:03 mod6: my question is then; with regards to the tmsr-rsa rough-sketch spec, do we then entertain the idea of other key-lengths, no just 4096 as currently outlined?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 14:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698809 << hitler is entirely central to the post-1945 'world order' , far more so than he ever was to own attempted empire
mircea_popescu: so : yes, personal hygiene better than periodic holocaust. nevertheless, personal hygiene gotta be done personally whereas "niste copii au venit de la alt bloc" can do the holocausting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ << found it.
mircea_popescu: that's like... 100 days sorta thing ? why exactly, have they decided the whole thing coming out of the previous attempts was the brief interval of "confusion" before being stomped and so trying to maximize that ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the pits, http://archive.is/DiM7l >> gavinists proclaim phorqwarz at block 494784
asciilifeform: the one re noobs iirc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was at the very least in naggum
mircea_popescu: damn... hey asciilifeform wtf was that article explaining the problem of socializing the costs of communication by never providing negative reinforcement ?
asciilifeform: well it will live in the vgenesis, fg-style
asciilifeform: and i've thought about offering the commented code as dead tree for aficionados
asciilifeform: the q of 'what am i paying this idiot to mumble at me for, then, i already knew where mains socket is' never seems to come up in victim's head
mircea_popescu: "you wouldn't download a car ?" "why not ?!?!" "because nobody made one" "oh... i guess gotta wait then."
mircea_popescu: makes you wonder how openssl was written in the first place, seeing how they had no openssl at the time.
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, you know ? "run openssl" "and if i don't have it ?" "download it then!" "And if i'm on a deserted island ?" "well then you can't crypto!" "sa moara ma-ta ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:15 mircea_popescu: valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698962 << asciilifeform once took a course almost exactly like the one described, quit in disgust mid way through
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366023/VIDEO-Two-legged-pig-learns-to-walk-using-only-his-front-limbs << the sauce for the pig like that.
shinohai: Article in NY Times today says black person responsible for the creation of Jack Daniels, leaving me to wonder how long before it starts showing up in rap videos.
mircea_popescu: sorry, all the chicken talk got me thinking.
mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too.
mircea_popescu: no, i want to discern whether the guy is a working mind accidentally stuck in the swamp of nonsense, or actually belongs there.
mircea_popescu: eh, he's trying to figure out the fence arrangement.
asciilifeform entertained by the 'we can talk in private' + 'i can't, i don't know you' combo
mircea_popescu: basically they're mostly trying to use python to write makefiles in the manner naggum self-reportedly used lisp to write c.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform python, the republic's preferred webdesign postprocessor ?
asciilifeform: aka 'use what holy mother church of schneier put on your place, peon'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:13 mircea_popescu: "your job is to fill in this merkle.py". holy mother of god.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698957 << this is THE Official philosophy of 'teaching crypto.' aka 'don't homebrew algos!111'
valica_: i know some math students interested in crypto, one of them worked in a call center
asciilifeform once met the d00d in saeculum . not impressed.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the item rolls back to "i wouldn't teach crypto, i'd have to fix undergrad first, get some kids who can do a fucking lim"
mircea_popescu: are they ?
valica_: maybe in the future
mircea_popescu: valica_ i would teach crypto as a graduate level item for the top of the class in math and kids from physics who test in. and nobody else.
mircea_popescu 's unformal education in the field nevertheless does include the "suprareal" class at avram iancu highschool, which did include gavra's classes on number theory or participation at mme popoviciu's "itinerant seminary on functionals, approximations and convexity" and so on and so forth.
valica_: how would you teach crypto then?
mircea_popescu: valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto.
mircea_popescu: (for the lulz record : that coudary fellow actually has a cambridge phd.)
mircea_popescu: "your job is to fill in this merkle.py". holy mother of god.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is ADVANCED about this windows-user-level intro to "which button to cluck at" ?
mircea_popescu: valica_ i suppose this is a fine approach for orc unis, pay some local a few benjies to sit around with the chitlins while they read wikipedia. it took 20 years to progress from calling it an internet cafe to calling it a "lab"
lobbes: http://qntra.net/2017/08/alt-left-pantsuits-escalate-symbolically-without-risking-physical-confrontation/ << lol. Durham NC also didn't wanna feel left out. But, instead of waiting for heavy machinery, buncha derps ripped it down with a rope while police watched. (Makes you wonder what these statues were made of) >> https://archive.is/mqxKh
mircea_popescu: yes, but when school's not over, who ie what professor is the lead of this cryptography line ? what's it actually called ?
mircea_popescu: they have a crypto programme ? who's doing it ?
mircea_popescu: my majors were anthropology and theory of knowledge.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 12:09 shinohai: Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698905 << the orcs make very good pantsuits, their whole mental existence was predicated on empty words in the first place anyway.
shinohai congratulates ben_vulpes on his submission + the speed of wotpaste
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: and most of the remainder, doing addition
asciilifeform: mod6: brute force ( comment lines & time ) profiling shows that the thing spends 30+% of its life inside W_Mul
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-12 20:28 ben_about: car mowdown very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-12#1697197
BingoBoingo: Well, the "unknown location" bsns smells of stoogery
asciilifeform: if there were some ameritards that DIDN'T sum to 0, from waco to oregon to fuckingbmore to wherever -- i'd like to hear about this
BingoBoingo: The Daily DNS Change guy
BingoBoingo: From wonkypedia >> "Anglin's location is not known. An investigative article by The Huffington Post in November 2016 analyzed his social media and FBI sources, and concluded that he was living in Germany. Rumors have also placed him residing in Russia.[8] In July 2017 Anglin told CNN he was residing in Lagos, Nigeria.[12]"
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not sold on the 2^n thing as of yet -- it doesn't seem to win at all, other than (possibly) on readability
mod6 goes off to read the latest ffa update,
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj << Here's one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/
asciilifeform: it doesn't impact the type of key you can use !!
shinohai: But latest trilema states: " 2048 keys are too short. 8192 keys are too long. Keys of a length that's not a power of two are no good. RSA keys are 4096 bits and that's the end of the story."
asciilifeform: we aren't even speaking of the key here !
mod6: make sense. i personally kinda like the idea that a user can generate a key, that must be 2^n, that is all.
asciilifeform: ( recall the 5.56mm thread )
asciilifeform: imho using anything less than the longest rsa key you can physically get away with on the hardware of your time, is simply nonsensical -- like using smaller bullet on enemy than you strictly must
mod6: my question is then; with regards to the tmsr-rsa rough-sketch spec, do we then entertain the idea of other key-lengths, no just 4096 as currently outlined?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 16:05 phf: gprof interrupts the program every few ms and saves the backtrace, the whole family is called "sampling profilers" because it only knows of functions that it saw during the interrupt. functions with runtime < interrupt ms show up with wrong estimates
mod6: hmm. so let's say, for instance, that you figure out how to make the 2^n version the same as the 64 width classic version -- performance-wise.
asciilifeform: and i've found gprof entirely useless in answering the q of why.
asciilifeform: mod6: interestingly, this ver is ~slower~ ( by about 3% ) than the 'classical'
asciilifeform: ^ similar mechanisms are moved to sit near one another, such that fewer 'brain cycles' are spent
asciilifeform: mod6: in other moar-readables, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CyfVL/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698809 << hitler is entirely central to the post-1945 'world order' , far more so than he ever was to own attempted empire
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698807 << 'root password to the constitution' or what was it the '90s schmucks said
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:46 mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:41 mircea_popescu: the only problem with rthis view being that there's no such thing as "evils of the past".
shinohai: Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg
BingoBoingo: Pointedly NOT great, but... can't extinguish all the refus
mircea_popescu: teh original nazis were all about will-to-live and so on. usians want to eat, and to not hurt. there's snails with stronger libidos, and a people happy to build mcmansions privately and the brutalist abominations publicly can't possibly have any serious investment in ontology.
BingoBoingo: Right. Hence the USG cartoon pencil used by sanctioned stooges. There's always more mortuary brass. Still for the actually deciding to be dissident there's a little bit of identity to hook into http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/
mircea_popescu firmly believes that "mortuary homes" or however you call the things are pretty much the definitive illustriation of north american native taste. there's square miles of the things somewhere in mass, totally worth a field trip.
mircea_popescu: really, there's no more connection between the two than between some illyrian woman raped on a riverbank two centuries ago and then given a pair of earrings and the boyfriend-girlfriend couple of today who made "passionate love" after finding the same pair of earrings and adorning her with them.
mircea_popescu: let's for isntance compare the tired victorian-baroque that'd pass for "Grand Style" if you could get them to sit still enough to consider aesthetics to the very german art deco that actual nazism was all about.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, usians are about as nazi as they're aztec. or hittite. srsly now, there's 0 relation.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it doesn't really have the "Identity Politics" click with rural palefaces that "ThugLyfe" has for the other side.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with advertising, it doesn't matter what you say at all, just that you say it lots.
mircea_popescu: i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast".
BingoBoingo: And WTF is this German Nazi fixation USG stooges keep trying to sell through their COINTELPROs? What's wrong with Redneck Pride? (other than appealing to the market?)
mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters.
mircea_popescu: so no, the need to beat, kill, maim, rape, the NEED to violence ain't going fucking away just because naggum gave himself hypermetropia.
mircea_popescu: and all this "learning" bullshit. you can spend the rest of your life at the new york public library, you'll never manage to "learn" yourself into this position whereby sticking your cock into whatever woman you choose won't produce a random kid come out nine months later.
BingoBoingo: 5 Cents to the Dollar!
mircea_popescu: the "evils of the past" are by turns the scalpel, the chisel, the enema bag... the patient doesn't need the scalpel yet so it's evil of the past. then later needs it, no longer needs the enema, now THAT is evil of the past. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: stalin is the mechanism whereby you turn a herd of dumbass hervbivores into a smaller, leaner, industrial nation. yes it comes right out of the peasants' famine duh. where the fuck is it going to come out of, outer space ? bacon meteors from the kuipier belt, nice and crispy by the time they land ?
mircea_popescu: the only problem with rthis view being that there's no such thing as "evils of the past".
mircea_popescu: vils with new names as the only difference just because some _morons_ cant learn from the past."
mircea_popescu: "the only _important_ property of evils of the past is that they not be repeated in the future, in any way, shape, or form. by refusing to accept humor about past evils, you lend them an importance they do not deserve and which will ultimately destroy your _own_ future, while those of us who can distinguish what we learn from the lessons where we learn it, can hope to find a future that doesnt need to have reruns of past e
mircea_popescu is very much unconvinced ANY usian "dissidents", "alt right", "nazi" or whatever else would last five minutes after costco cancels their cable subscription or w/e.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, the motherfuckers will do the whole "I r dissident" song and dance, playing into the USG cartoon image of Nazis. BUT they refuse to extricate themselves from Actual Spyops like Coinbase.
BingoBoingo: Well, Monday it came out that the organizer of the Charlottesville rally was a Obama voter and BernieBro until a week after Trump was elected. They are fungible!
mircea_popescu: for the same money as confusing bitcoin and usglade i might confuse andrew anglin for michael moore.
mircea_popescu: use coinbase, derp about bitcoin. then i'm supposed to distinguish these yokels from any other yokels because why the fuck, their mommy dropped them on their head in a very special way or something ?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell cazalla tyvm, but stahp trying to do the email thing. Textpast and !~later tell like a normal person. Email doesn't work better than 60% reliable anymore.
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: and it's not there.
mike_c: CC =/var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc
mod6: ubuntu and it's hanging chads, i know the pain.
mod6: heh, ok, sorry for the pain.
mike_c: so now I burn this server to the ground and start over.
mike_c: certainly, thanks for the help!
mod6: there should be a Manifest.sha512 in tehre too.
mike_c: after the clean, still Makefile in deps
mod6: not the extracted stuff or anything else.
mod6: yeah, we just need the deeds.
mod6: ok, next: `cd /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/deps ; cp ~/*.asc .` -- hopefully, in your ~ you only have .asc deeds, and not, say, other stuff...
mod6: we can pick this up later if you'd rather too. no worries.
mod6: copy /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/deps/*.asc to some other holding tank and let me know when ready.
mod6: i think you can check in /etc/alternatives or whatever, to ensure there are no links or nothing to gcc5.
mod6: let me know before you try to rebuild, i'd like to walk you through flushing the tubs.
mod6: yeah. it doesn't work with gcc5. this looks like the ncurses bug.
mike_c: but this did tons more. I'm going to go ahead and say gcc5 is no good for this (at least on out-of-the-box ubuntu)
mod6: ok. can you paste the error. i'll help you now if you have time, or we can try tomorrow (whenever) you have more.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-taking-of-pelham-123-x2/ << Trilema - The Taking of Pelham 123 x2
mod6: have you ever built the new way phf?
mod6: phf: <+mike_c> this exists: /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl
phf: mike_c: does this exist /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc ?
mod6: and there's no way, apparently, to solve this for everyone until bitcoinos/cuntos is a thing.
mircea_popescu: mod6 at edge of seat over there...
mike_c: this exists: /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl
trinque: correct, meant to say that if he wanted to skip all that, could by going there. I may have misunderstood.
phf: there's this whole dispatch mechanism, http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/build/Makefile#L35 but it exists in it's own ./build/ folder
phf: but i don't think that's the one he's using, if he's building with rotor.. that whole new build infrastructure seems to exist apart.
mod6: if he follows the directions exactly, shouldn't be an issue.
phf: erll, quite obviously for the makefile to work you have to have a file "toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc" relative to where you're calling "make" from
asciilifeform: the buildroot (aka 'rotor') thing is a dour wartime expedient, in case anyone forgot -- if we had a musltronic linux, or a bsd (i.e. non-glibc os) it would be unnecessary
mod6: that should be fine. there was a fella in here about a week ago with the same problem as you're having/
phf: export CC=$(shell readlink -f toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc)
phf: ooh, you know what, looking at the latest v tree, it looks like the makefiles are modified in all kinds of buildroot specific ways!..
mod6: <+mike_c> oh. yeah. ffs, why was i following offline todo. << aha, the ONLINE version is certainly less work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the fine synonym for epheb we were using at some point re the herdemocracy aparatchicks ? i'd like to revive it.
mircea_popescu: so in other random lulz, i just built a pulse checker out of this ten cent girly hairpiece. it's about 20cm long, and basically a chinese plastic spiral with teeth. if you hold it up,. one hand on each edge, and prop your elbows against your thorax it vibrates with the pulse vehehery visibly.
asciilifeform: one time asciilifeform went into a demolition site, found newspapers from 'watergate' in the spaces between old cinderblocks, yes.
mircea_popescu: there's spent beer cans from like 1972 sitting somewhere closer to manhattan than you are.
mircea_popescu: there's no specific end to garbage.
mircea_popescu: sometimes a flood or something comes and raises it up again, then it's taken to dump again, sits there more...
mircea_popescu: it gets taken to the dump.
phf: there's also the mod6 method that builds the whole thing for you, but i haven't tried that since before i wrote own v presser..
mircea_popescu: "It's all very simple, you sit in the embassy and dissideate"
mircea_popescu: what else are these halfwits born-ready for ? besides "everything" i mean./
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. everyone's a mathematician and everyone's a warrior nao ?
mircea_popescu: "whether she needs one or not"
asciilifeform: the one where 'come to moma's cunt ir we'll give yer wife anabortion every day'
mircea_popescu: ah ? ok then