mike_c: Birdman - just pick the highest number you're comfortable with. I bet somebody here will do it.
Birdman: mircea_popescu to be honest i've no idea how simple or complex the job is, would you give me an estimate?
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want to permit frisco-based shitheads taking over "the world" or any part of it : they'll come up with some dumb shit like that and then you'll be stuck re-inventing cabs or toilets or whatever.
mircea_popescu: shitheads.
mircea_popescu: the fuck is that dumb shit, their policy against discrimination is all about discrimination now ?
mircea_popescu: "including our policy against discrimination of any kindthis includes banning people from the app."
asciilifeform: in other lulz from spamola box, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H4p8Y/?raw=true
Birdman: obviously this needs to be found as you can see the missing seat also ends up having all that seats contributed money to that hand go missing
Birdman: Ah, so i have a bunch of poker hand histories that log from beggining to end the players dealt in, their money, the progression of the hand, and finally the summary. The discrepancy i need found is where the seat numbers dealt into the hand at the beginning are missing entirely at the hand summary, and to spit out the hand numbers where it is found. Some hands that are corrupted will have a "seat256" in the summary
Birdman: Hello. I'd like to commission the writing of a script that can go through text logs and find certain discrepancies, would be paying in either btc or ecu (eulora coppers), if anyone is interested. I think its a fairly simple thing to get done.
mircea_popescu: in other news, venezuelan rum is almost as good as venezuelan cunt.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
mod6: Those cheddarworst were everything I hoped they could be. Yum.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nice going with the 6x +-1 approach
mod6: Went to this ukrainian place called Kramarczuk's Deli today. Place has awesome Rubans. Got a Pierogi too. And some Cheddarwost sausages to go. They make 'em right there.
asciilifeform: the snr of 'cryptographers' is somewhere south of that of tardstalk.
asciilifeform: i will share the imho interesting fact that asciilifeform sifted through literally several kg of rubbish ( i print things to read... ) before turning up these items.
asciilifeform: also lit search came back with an equally obscure recipe for a 10% or so faster comba ( tldr : compute the square (diagonal) digits in a separate walk, and add them to the result of the nondiagonal pass , at the end )
asciilifeform: ( the smooth-parts-of-integers article was from same iirc period )
asciilifeform: d00d was at his peak, then.
asciilifeform: but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-17#1699670 << this ftr is how drugs have worked in major cities for a long time now. but of course they don't perceive the obligation to point out, "Hey, we figured we could do the mary jane trick for postinor, cuz we're too chickenshit to push grass."
mircea_popescu: it didn't help that due to the extremely limited neuronal load in their idiotic mothers, about every other sorority slut was actually named jennifer in the period.
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point in the 20s every other sorority slut had hair cut the same way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform different waitress from the same show, married one of the pretty boys. vin diesel maybe ?
mircea_popescu: keeps making these idiotic mary sue fiction movies where she's not a total fucktard escaped from the titty bar.
mircea_popescu: the dumb chick from friends.
asciilifeform: i was thinking more along the lines of a swimming pool, but with bars on top, just enough air to put head out of the water under same
mircea_popescu: random lisa kudrow gets to spend a few weeks under the stars listening to the desperate screams (phrased as a quesiton, of course) of her elders, then it's her turn.
mircea_popescu: yeah but the screams are important.
asciilifeform: afaik pirannha can handle the patient intact even.
mircea_popescu: no lye no ovens no nothing. fish the fish downstream.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a fabulous solution to the problem. pick amazon river, large enough to deal, build "pantsuitwash" on the side, basically just a vertical mill room. like a car wash but with steel balls attached to the rotating poles. simply push the herd through, mechanically.
asciilifeform: redditus in the tank, delish fish out.
mircea_popescu: just put them trough a steel balls mill first, so they're beaten up a bit / broken bones here and there.
asciilifeform: crabs oughta work. or pirannhas. ( aficionados tell me that there is not a tastier fish alive )
asciilifeform: feed'em to pigs then
asciilifeform: i'ma pass on eating the progesterone ty
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- i'd much rather actually have "white 29yo female aspiring writer" cuts hanging from the meathooks, 5 bux a pound or w/e.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there['s no doubt in my mind that unless we actually butcher a few tens of millions pantsuits, actual meat will go out within our lifetimes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, this is the problem with idiot orcs who fall for the empire agitprop.
shinohai: This sounds like something you'd say in Eulora "- I think it's more likely to be some mixture of the leftovers from 7 roasted suckling pigs, 10 whole ducks, 5 ostriches etc - one needs to just go back in time enough for that."
mircea_popescu: i can't discern if this dude has no fucking idea how the sexual parts work, or if some deeper insanity on the level of "transsexual dog" is afoot
mircea_popescu: and in other ustardian sads : this gringo has a dog. he refers to the dog as she, and got it a pink collar and everything. it got flipped on its back while playing with a puppy (which, at six weeks old, is way the fuck more dominant, and generally rounded than the gringo's misfortunate mongrel) and lo! penis. ballsac.
mircea_popescu: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57794de3f7e0ab3baff27ef0/t/58016d50b8a79bb988dd115d/1476488617465/seth-bannon-and-ela-madej-fifty-yearsjpg << "Ela and Seth are great at bringing operational efficiency to our company, including both managing tasks and team motivation. Theyre able to do such a good job because theyve walked the journey and built great companies. " Harry Gandhi, Co-founder & CEO, Medella Health
shinohai: yup. also same one with the single-integer rng bug.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/#comment-122667 << meanwhile i can't decide if this is parody or just the new level.
shinohai: Oh ffs .... "blockchain.info to support Ether"
PeterL: but it still fails on some hashes, so I must still have something wrong in there
PeterL: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-fabulous-hash-function-and-its-family/#comment-122671 ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PqCfM/?raw=true ) I think I am making progress on the reverse hash function
shinohai: And continuing in mircea_popescu's "blondes prefer blacks" farms theme: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHb4-tvWAAAp05V.jpg
shinohai: "There are bots spamming kiddie pr0n on the network, wat do?" ... "I know, lets Kline EVERYONE!!!!!"
trinque: wow, the idiots running this network.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:20 mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot.
shinohai: Not bad here, getting set up for the day .... you?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Per the "network" >> "-christel- [Global Notice] In light of the wave of spambots sending links to child pornography images, we have chosen to update our default umodes to include +R (blocking messages from unregistered users). To allow such messages, /mode yournick -R. Apologies for the disruption and the inconvenience."
mike_c: and thanks! would have been easier if I had gone with gcc4 the first night.
mike_c: my goat order is still pending. somebody wake up the intern at snsa that fills orders ;)
mike_c: I mean, the only non-deterministic thing is network I guess
mike_c: and, hallelujah, there's a bitcoind.
mike_c: it is using /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++, so I guess it exists..
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the hallway, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0uhcwfbY31r4p8klo1_1280.jpg
mod6: mike_c: also, how much disk space do you have available? this thing is gonna need like min 20G in the fs you're building in. does your /var have that much?
mircea_popescu fully expects something on the level of "oh, if you want patch you have to say explicitly" sorta nonsense.\
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty sure something breaks earlier in the flow because all my systems do have the item his is complaining about lacking.
mod6: and what about `echo $CC` anything set there?
mod6: ok, that should be ok then, mike_c
PeterL: just thought I should let you know while I work out the bugs
PeterL: So, if anybody was going to try the reverse mpfhf I posted yesterday, it does not work
mod6: mike_c: what do these two say: ` update-alternatives --list gcc && update-alternatives --list g++`
mircea_popescu: can you paste the whole thing ?
mike_c: it's looking for x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc, which doesn't exist
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 04:07 mike_c: so now I burn this server to the ground and start over.
mircea_popescu: so what's the latest barf ?
mike_c: started from fresh VM, ran into this other situation.
mike_c: i'll clean, rebuild, and check the logs carefully to try and see what happens with buildroot
mod6: mike_c: I don't think it did. I set this one up like back in the spring. And I'm fairly sure it came with gcc5 and i vanquished all the bs by hand.
mod6: im not sure on this, something environmental it feels like -- yet, I have the same system with it working just peachy.
mircea_popescu is so fucking thrilled to see "tools runs perfectly" lasting as long as it takes the fucktards to make a new version of whatever "os" package ;/
mod6: the one is exactly: Description: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
mike_c: the anticipation is killing me
mod6: for instance, i think that to be: bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl/bin
mod6: i believe that to be the wrong dir you listed.
mod6: yeah, hmm. so definatley something went wrong when unrolling all of the toolchain stuff from buildroot.
mike_c: and the ls you asked for
mod6: can you also do me a favor; `ls -al /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/` then paste.
asciilifeform: see the steps.
asciilifeform: it also can be helpful to instrument the proggy and let it barf
asciilifeform: there are - by design- no deep maths in ffa.
asciilifeform: but instead we can simply let Karatsuba_Term return the carry, and say c1, c2, c3 and in the end we ripple out c1+c2+(-1^subtractenable) .
mod6: Ah, I admit, earlier I didn't have much chance at all to review this. In fact, to wrap my head around the fine points of ffa's more complex routines, takes me some time.
asciilifeform: at the end of a karatsubaization
mod6: for i in N'Length .. XM'Length - 1 loop << so you can remove this loop then?
asciilifeform: in other noose, how come nobody noticed that we can accumulate the carry in Karatsuba_Term, and ripple it out once instead of 3 times per firing ...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 03:20 mod6: for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c
asciilifeform: re shells, lack of completion is the kind of screaming imbecility for which there is no justification-- you're already sitting in front of a machine, it could be doing 100% of the algo-trivial brute work. rather than 90% - worst of both worlds, bulldozer that still leaves you with 2hr of shovel.
asciilifeform: but answer is , digging a hole for 2hrs is sweaty work, but it isn't a thorn in what would otherwise be a flow state, the way missing tab complete is.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 23:34 mircea_popescu: he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0
mircea_popescu: he sometime once did have to type in a path and so the experience cost of that branch > 0.
mircea_popescu: he never had to dig a latrine, or carry the 3kg shovel you need to cary to be able to dig a latrine. consequently experience cost of that branch = 0
a111: Logged on 2014-12-17 04:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 19:13 asciilifeform: if i had to pick b/w not having indoor shitter and not having tab completion, i'd pick the former.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : iranis ready to back out of obama nuke deal ; and flying chinese drones over us carriers.
mircea_popescu: lol scam link. apparently there's an older correct version, 2015s vintage.
asciilifeform: i think nagant comes with 'the girl that's for you, is not interesting, the interesting - not for you' engraved on the barrel
mircea_popescu: i told you, doom. in the greekest sense.
mircea_popescu: it's not live long enough. is that the girl for you is not interesting and the girl that's interesting is not for you.
asciilifeform: there is no guarantee that pumper will live long enough. but certainly no one lives long enough for the shamanic spells to work either
mircea_popescu: i think the problem is very correctly stated "she is 22 and ovulating and i am 13 and love her". no mountains, no muscles.
asciilifeform: other -- is to pump muscles
mircea_popescu: and so -- has theorem to prove, hasn't yet grown the tool to prove them with. this is doom, pure and simple.
mircea_popescu: the woman is ready to go. the boy wants her. but a boy is not useful and a man he is not yet.
mircea_popescu: it is the definitive film on one of italian culture's principal obsessions. malizia is not bad in same vein, there are many.
mircea_popescu: people come in random tallnesses, theorems come in random cutoffs.
asciilifeform: i suspect that this type of 'bonsai kitten' is created by the ill-conceived half-education purveyors. as per mircea_popescu's talk at c3 re pediwikians
mircea_popescu: you understand, for every fermat solver there's five trillion collectors, like http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a theorem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. besides, already happened. "evils of the past" ie stalin, not soviets.
asciilifeform: 'socialist nonsense will crash and burn on schedule, and They Will Call It Bad Luck' (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: anyway, as best i can discern a major problem is that the people who WANT to do something about it are rarely the people who CAN.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly correct : nobody who decides to create a fixed point and call it government can possibly predict bitcoin wiping it. this follows from the definitions.
asciilifeform was about to say 'how come this has not yet come to usglandia' but then remembered 'renewables'
mircea_popescu: and besides -- the "college graduate" rice imbecile gave the solution in case anything blows up : "nobody could have predicted!"
asciilifeform: recall the petrol from rocks thing ?
mircea_popescu: see, cuz the simple mind requires fixed point. so it'll pick a fixed point, and name it something, and the hell with everything else.
asciilifeform: didn't we have a case of 'if bitcoin worked, They Would Kill It' show up just the other week
mircea_popescu: as they lack the ability to correctly recognize the imanence of transcendents and say "well, in order for maximal government to live up to the name it'll have to be bitcoin, rather than usg", they're "safe".
mircea_popescu: then they deduce "since maximal government is definitionally maximal government, therefore bitcoin can't unseat real government".
mircea_popescu: they can mentall create "maximal government" by thinking these words, "maximal government", and they stick, because shamanism and symbols coerce reals.
asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
mircea_popescu: right. back to the same problem of abstracts. they've not just decided "government" is so and so deductively, leaving no room for inductive falsification. they've decided lots of other things on the same day, and they all go the same way : "the max of any variable is within our purview"
asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean osama had engineering phd and still picked the cave'
mircea_popescu: the notion of people smarter than required to make a good pantsuit not subscribing to the narrative is you know, inconceivable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is exactly the problem : the sort of orc who opposes pantsuit is 5-senses pashtun. and so always will be.
asciilifeform: but at the same time, all known types of chukcha are happy to bow before ~other~ invisibles, e.g. deer spirit, or 'natural right of property', or whatever idiocy their mother pounded into the head
asciilifeform: ... and later he is very susprised when the beta rays cook his children alive
asciilifeform: the other observation is that the chukcha's reliance on his 'naked five senses' is absolute -- 'physical object' in his threadbare skullcase always trumps 'insisible' items, 'just number'
asciilifeform: ( previously asciilifeform thought that the last 'just bits' idjit ate his '45 some time in 2012, but apparently not )
asciilifeform: is the usual thread
asciilifeform: the sufferers almost always turn up to labour under elaborately usgtronic delusions of, e.g., 'their' ( sitting Safely In Their cardboard house or usg.bank box , naturally ) 'gold' ( do they consider melting, or whatever other test ? ) 'belongs' ( until preet says so ) to them...
mircea_popescu: "no sooner said than done" is the constant refrain of the folk tales ruinning through such goodfolk's heads at all times.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 19:13 asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699345 << in retrospect this is likely the underpinning. there's no conception of "there are things that can be said, and there are things that can be done, and these are not the same things" uniting all the efforts of "anti"-bitcoin-because-statist and "anti"-bitcoin-because-i-dunno-what-money-is and "liberals" because niceness and free food! and so on.
mircea_popescu: aka, derealization, the term of art.
mircea_popescu: withdraws in stamp collecting or w/e the fuck it is he does.
mircea_popescu: the cowboy does not sumarily execute the dude, chain the dumb cunt naked to a pole, whip her bloody and have her gang raped by the local mongrels, and so to spend the rest of her life.
mircea_popescu: a, great film. anyway, summary : dude (ie, inept manchild) and actual cowboy compete for cunt. the cunt is indescribably dumb (really, just mouthpiece for ideological choices of author), picks dude.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of goldbuggery is derealization, in the vein of "great old west" cowboy-staring-at-horizon, "Better days" etc.
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how the goldtards etc react to realization that they are willingly powering a heat engine where , e.g., 1 btc is worth several years of their life, and organs
mircea_popescu: (hitler/swastica/etc are dead franchises in this sense. they can't advertise with it. though they'd love to.)
mircea_popescu: (there's two kinds of fandom rebellion, as far as the producers are concerned. fixable and unfixable. as the latter accumulate franchises die)
mircea_popescu: can take way over 5 years. in fact, this demo splice goes out with the demo itself, it's not heal-abl;e from the sony pov.
asciilifeform: the q was how these folx bamboozled themselves into thinking that the obvious problems of physical brick of au , lending naturally to 'paperization', somehow 'did not count'
mircea_popescu: or, for the same money, elvis not dead folk.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how there's old hookers out there who don't agree britney was never anything.
mircea_popescu: there's this defense strategy in welfare societies whereby one has among the vast arrays of self-granted options also the option to "disagree" with such things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the gold people are very subjectively hurt by bitcoin doing what gold "Was supposed to do" and haet.
trinque: they'd all vote and the consensus rules would change. what do you think all the derping around that has been?
asciilifeform: or whether simply stuck playing pretend, to delay eating nagant when they sit and think
asciilifeform: upstack : asciilifeform is still curious whether the assorted goldtards etc actually believe that btc is 'entirely like wowgold' and that some gavin somewhere 'could make moar if we wanted to' on demand
asciilifeform: hey, digging up obscure derp from the depths of the refugee camps, could take time!111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the rate btc is going, 2030 seems way too far out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this zippy item is apparently the life work of some dedicated individual, who spent years toiling in obscurity.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's that bitcoin on todd's head or whoever's ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:15 mircea_popescu: valica_ the problem is not that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn through this approach is how to never learn crypto.
mircea_popescu: "so what if it does exactly the offices of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698962 ie it splices my brain away from reality into nonsense ?! my brain wasn't all that good in the first place, what's the loss."
asciilifeform: possibly even stuck ~pre-trade~ -- witness the naked assertion that 'usd is king strictly because great inca promised to kill for it'
trinque: why'd a religious person want the responsibility of hard crypto anyway. he needs god himself to declare he exists; anything short of that, existential terror. what individual?
mircea_popescu: i suppose up to a certai npoint a desire to manipulate the future is understandable in animals.
asciilifeform: they're stuck not merely pre-rsa, but in a sense pre-babylon ( where the clay seals already offered some mechanical guarantee )
asciilifeform: observation was that the folx in question only know of promise
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd rather simply ignore the whole "promise" bs on the simple grounds of the cause/purpose dichotomy and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: (as far as beat cop is concerned, there's a very marked difference between "this guy is a drunk!!" "uh... who is this woman ?" on one hand and "this guy is a drunk!" "oh yeah, well you're a whore!" on the other hand.)
asciilifeform: like the romans not knowing of zero
asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them
mircea_popescu: well he's unreadable, but anyway, this guy seemed very incensed by him in the strangest of ways : as if what the dood made sense, and he disagreed.
mircea_popescu: (in the sense contemplated here)
mircea_popescu: fucking utf or w/e you call the anime faces bullshit. onl;y actual gesture that's missing from written form, and that's the one they omit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: catholitards have iron 'discipline' in their chosen glassbeadgame.
asciilifeform: apparently 'realism' is to trade pieces of paper sanctified with the cuntjuice of the obummer sisters
mircea_popescu: the quesiton was "i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead."
mircea_popescu: r0nin- again, and for teh last time : if you don't answer the questions you will get silenced.
asciilifeform: ( the linked d00d has a severe case )
r0nin-: at the end of the day, bitcoin is a rehash of all the errors of gold except in digital format
mircea_popescu: i suppose at this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you to define it and you do. go ahead.
r0nin-: https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/in-the-land-of-lies-every-day-is-opposite-day/
mircea_popescu: ah ok then! lol.
r0nin-: matter gold is the substance that human beings have most irrationally desired, desired in a way most purely disconnected from objective reality.
r0nin-: The most pure form of anti-realist value is distilled and concentrated human subjective evaluation: value with no object. The only thing more pure than gold would be nothing at all, but of course even the most ardent anti-realist cannot escape from objective reality. Because he cannot store pure concentrate of human will in a vault, the anti-realist stores gold; because at least as an historical
trinque: r0nin-: there is a distinction between a sovereign person and a sovereign people, eh?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 15:24 asciilifeform: mod6: in other moar-readables, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CyfVL/?raw=true
r0nin-: We hold these truths to be self-evident : that no men nor women are created, but born ; that nothing ever is or could be equal to any other thing ; that each man and each woman are sovereign entities and the sole sovereign entities
asciilifeform: ave1: it doesn't hurt, to take the thing and play with it, every which way you can.
r0nin-: nice pre-amble. so we are advocating liberalism as the ideal ?
asciilifeform: looks almost bigger than my whole orchestra put together
r0nin-: how isnt it? his ideal form of money was one that swelled in value from other peoples labor
asciilifeform: ave1: indeed it does : on every piece of iron i have, and for every bitness, <= 8 turns out to be the inflection point.
asciilifeform: ave1: basic idea, pretty obvious, you throw param tuples into an array ( of known max length, proportional to # of invocations permitted ) and then iterate over that, using it in place of the familiar stack.
r0nin-: theres nobody obligated to accept it in payment of anything
r0nin-: bitcoin doesnt supply the asset becuase bitcoin has no final demand
mircea_popescu: r0nin- used to. now, bitcoin supplies that asset, and nobody can recall what the usg was.
r0nin-: the private sector is a permanent net saver, the government supplies the 'asset' the private sector saves in
asciilifeform: ave1: it suffices from my pov that i can prove that the thing terminates in W-Threshold shots.
ave1: yes, I thought so, I did this and it seems to be the same speed too!
asciilifeform: ave1: it can be made quite trivially from the one i have. but increases complexity and so i have not done this.
r0nin-: the government needs to 'print'
mircea_popescu: but, for the exact some money, the confederacy also hasn't run out of confederate dollars.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- alright. the claim isn't that the usg printing press will somehow malfunction.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- if you don't answer the questions you'll end up silenced.
r0nin-: the total is always zero
r0nin-: the total quantity of all fiat money in existence is zero at all times
asciilifeform: i thought the last purveyor of this particular nonsense died in 2010 or so
mircea_popescu: this is generally the problem statists encounter : since their operative definition of government is ideal ("that thing we made") as opposed to real ("that thing which exists") they have trouble understanding how bitcoin can destroy governments while governments can't regulate bitcoin.
r0nin-: well i agree, the SEC has zero say with bitcoin because it simply isnt a security
mircea_popescu: r0nin- that end is not the problem. the problem is that usg has no better claim to ontology than a random wow guild.
r0nin-: bitcoin is exactly the same thing as 'in-game currency'
asciilifeform: r0nin-: 'also true of in-game currency' did your mother drop you as a baby? or feigning retardation ?
r0nin-: bitcoin is the equivalent of game tokens
mircea_popescu: anyway. fellow should read the above linked item and the discussion of causes and purposes, and try again.
r0nin-: Furthermore, while it is true that Bitcoin may be regarded as an item of value by one or more people, this also is true of the in-game currency of each and every single one game ever released to this date and to be released for the conceivable future.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- re the "entitle", he rehashes (without attribution) a point actually made on trilema back in... 2012. http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/#selection-129.0-129.112
mircea_popescu: eh what the hell. lessee.
r0nin-: https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/blood-money-digital-fools-gold-and-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics/
asciilifeform also entertained that this is almost the exact arg of mircea_popescu an' asciilifeform re mphf, originally, but with the sides reversed
asciilifeform: currently it isn't clear to asciilifeform what is the equiv. of the bullet weight ( or other mechanical cost ) here.
asciilifeform: all the ones you dun use -- are free
mircea_popescu: they're still not free.