mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710018 << hey, it's easy and non-threatening and gives the outward impression of doing work. what'd you have him do.
mircea_popescu: Guido Bertoni, Joan Daemen, Michaël Peeters, Gilles Van Assche and Ronny Van Keer << might as well dump the list of bernsteins that'll have to explain themselves.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 16:51 asciilifeform: holyshit the original keccak www is gone
phf: right, that's the first thought when you have your cadr up. "oh wait, i need to go fuck around with xilinx tooling to make any kind of changes here)
spyked: aha! so gotta lispify the toolchain. this sounds like a nice project
asciilifeform: THEN can throw out pc.
asciilifeform: spyked: once satisfied that the thing can support adult work.
asciilifeform: spyked: that's the plan.
phf: i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
asciilifeform: spyked: anyway if you search the log you can see how to make it build on gcc.
asciilifeform: ( this is at least theoretically fixable )
spyked: no idea why they need clang. but I see your point
asciilifeform: bad enough that the thing seems to insist on python3.
asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710087 <-- so far so good. building icestorm tools, pnr, verilog synthesis works after adding clang and other assorted crap. will work out the arduino part later.
asciilifeform: spyked: it does not seem to be disastrously bad, surprisingly. but i have yet to try it with a large design. ( also helps that the chip is small, a truly elephantine circuit will never be entered )
spyked: also, synthesis of open source icestorm toolchain might be somewhat less efficient than closed source? (just a wild guess, maybe not)
asciilifeform: i.e. they are nonhomogeneous.
asciilifeform: ( and are the reason why xilinx has not been satisfactorily reversed a la ice, and not likely to be before going out of print )
asciilifeform: ( this is a rough measure, because not all LUTs are created equal, naturally, xilinx has somewhat different ones in the cpld series vs 'spartans', and lattice has yet different, and altera -- yet different, etc )
asciilifeform: ( xilinx toolchain shits out this figure in the report )
asciilifeform: phf: out of curiosity, what was the LUT % utilization when you built ?
phf: right, it already does (board above). i was curious if there's a porting out strategy, but your answer explained the situation
asciilifeform: ( though last i saw it was a straight conversion from the ttl schematic, and not especially compact, might need one of the larger chips )
asciilifeform: phf: if you're content to test parker's cadr, your existing xilinx board oughta do the job
asciilifeform: ( though i currently suspect that something in the spirit of scheme-79 could fit in no more than 2 -- 1 for the alu and 1 for memory control/gc )
asciilifeform: phf: to be fair, the olimex boards have an expansion plug. but you can't put , e.g., dram, on there, toomuch capacitance.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:25 asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc
phf: right, so ice is basically just the fpga with minimum amount of breadboarding, if we want to pipistrello gottta design our own
asciilifeform: folx who are willing to use lattice's closed shitdevchain buy the larger parts, where the dev boards are comparable to xilinx.
asciilifeform: because the part is considered 'too small'
asciilifeform: then we proceed to the dev boards. nobody makes an ice dev board with dram on it; or with flash other than the config rom; or with sram bigger than 512k. currently.
asciilifeform: but smaller than all but the smallest xilinx 'spartan' parts.
asciilifeform: roughly same as 100 of the xl9572 used in FUCKGOATS.
asciilifeform: biggest ice part is the ICE40HX8K
asciilifeform: phf: let's start with the gate count
asciilifeform: the problem is that it's xilinx.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't really understand fpga peripherals architecture very well, but you think you could eyeball compare what's available in ice to pipistrello. (i'm curious where there's a limitation as far as porting cadr) http://pipistrello.saanlima.com/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Pipistrello#Pipistrello_Rev_2.0_Hardware_Description
spyked: hm. why? problems getting it compiled and running? (the linux guide looks straightforward)
asciilifeform: ( scroll up for pinout of the prog connector )
asciilifeform: spyked: https://www.olimex.com/wiki/ICE40HX1K-EVB#Get_started_under_Linux << their doc
asciilifeform: ( 'buspirate', or whateverthehellduino with olimex's supplied proggy, and a few others, will work )
asciilifeform: there are jtag pins but they are unpopulated, and you'll have to tweezer a resistor off to get the thing to use the ice's internal eeprom instead of the external 2Mb spi rom, if you want to use those
spyked: lessee. what do they use? JTAG?
asciilifeform: ( see their docs. )
asciilifeform: ( can use their olimexduino thing + 10pin cable, or if you have a similar already )
spyked has had a spike in spendings on hardware in the last ~3 weeks, but couldn't be helped
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:23 asciilifeform: since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago )
asciilifeform: 'shards from The True Cross!11'
shinohai: Asi es ..... I din check out the tor www because, as you see in thread, he insists that one must "Enable javascript in tor browser for complete site functionality"
asciilifeform: my dosimeter's maxed for the week
shinohai: Meanwhile, I invited the alleged instagram haxor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133449 here for an interview and tips on how to keep a website up when "facebook is buying up all the doxagram tld's"
asciilifeform: al of money. Apple CEO Tim Cook told his employees that the company is donating $1 million to the SPLC and would match employee contributions two to one. Cook also placed an SPLC donation button in its iTunes store. The company is additionally providing a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League.'
asciilifeform: 'Richard Cohen, president and chief executive officer of the SPLC, was given $346,218 in base compensation in 2015 ..... The SPLC, which claims to boast a staff of 75 lawyers who practice in the area of children's rights, economic justice, immigrant justice, LGBT rights, and criminal justice reform, reported spending only $61,000 on legal services in 2015. Following recent violence in Charlottesville, Va., the group raised a great de
asciilifeform: '"I've never known a US-based nonprofit dealing in human rights or social services to have any foreign bank accounts," said Amy Sterling Casil, CEO of Pacific Human Capital, a California-based nonprofit consulting firm. "My impression based on prior interactions is that they have a small, modestly paid staff, and were regarded by most in the industry as frugal and reliable. I am stunned to learn of transfers of millions to offshore b
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 13:25 mircea_popescu: (that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
asciilifeform: but largely unrelatedly : BingoBoingo ( qntra fodder ? ) , mircea_popescu : https://archive.is/E5Fyk << recent lulz re the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709834 folx
asciilifeform: in all fairness this is much classier than the last 2 nsa резидент we had. we're moving up, folx!11!
shinohai: I'll just wait for the wikileaks, tyvm
asciilifeform: i recommend to kanzure to study the postwar memoirs of heisenberg. he managed to stay off the nuremberg bench by arguing 'none of my shit worked, really', maybe you can too.
kanzure: anyway the most recent output was http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2017-08-28-deep-dive-bitcoin-core-v0.15/
asciilifeform: my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
asciilifeform: betcha the man wears 'gott mit uns' belt buckle, he does.
asciilifeform: in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
asciilifeform: ' The SHA-3 version of Keccak being proposed appears to provide essentially the same level of security guarantees as SHA-2, its predecessor. If we are going to develop a next generation hash, there certainly should be standardized versions that provide a higher security level than the older hash functions! NIST, in the original call for submissions, specifically asked for four versions in each submission, with at least two that would
shinohai: Notice that happened after nist.gov declared their spec
asciilifeform: holyshit the original keccak www is gone
asciilifeform: could've sworn it was in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you'd prolly want to run it on the ffa anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an ada keccak published decade ago that was not, at first glance, defective in any obvious way, and is a few pgs. but asciilifeform has not yet formally audited.
asciilifeform: in particular, to work out what the minimal ( with engineering margin, a la miller-rabin ) number of lubypackets would be.
mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
mircea_popescu: (if one's absolutely crazy can declare the function from 511 to 512 bytes, and then split all the packages into 511 byte blocks and hurr.)
mircea_popescu: there's no rule you must have collisions in this kind of hash function.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the relevant "hashing" is when you can have signature shorter than document. neither scheme contemplates that.
asciilifeform: well you can't control the order of transmission, enemy can rearrange the packets. but it doesn't help him any.
mircea_popescu: but yes, no hashing. 8x the signing though
mircea_popescu: see, "any order" is not advantage because you have the original document to provide order ; and the "lose a few" works for enemy here, helps to fake sigs
asciilifeform: that there's it, i think.
asciilifeform: bonus is that you can transmit them in any order.
asciilifeform: the resulting signature is this list of signed solitonizations ( the S can be computed independently , given the original payload P; or can be packaged with the thing for convenience )
asciilifeform: now we prepend each L with the seed S
asciilifeform: now you feed S to blumblumshub prng, and generate your soliton distribution. this consists of a series of lists, each of the form {Qa, Qb, ... Qc} where Q_ are indices of the parcels
asciilifeform: i can expand yesterday's item for the l0gz, might help
mircea_popescu: anyway. the reason "chickenshit" and nobody cared about paying hoa in 1980 was that there wasn't anything whatsoever to do with the "money" anyway. much like in the us.
asciilifeform: shinohai: could learn from b00kz , the hard way
asciilifeform: still phakt, nobody removed from flat other than for cemetery or prison term.
mircea_popescu: which is how and wherefore all these doods keep shitting their pants, "o noes, mother is upset with me!!1"
mircea_popescu: moreover, nastygrams in communism aren't what you think, chiefly because there's no other plantation and nobody is allowed to own savings or live off them. just like in us.
mircea_popescu: resulted in place of employment being notified and you being pulled before the "Collective" for your "attitude".
asciilifeform: they paid chickenshit.
mircea_popescu: eh, ask your parents. they paid hoa in 1980.
asciilifeform: and moar like china or the like
mircea_popescu: of course they did. had it even during soviet times.
asciilifeform: i dun think they yet invented this scam in orclandia
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asciilifeform: i'ma let phf answer whether i hallucinated re moscow.
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform's research is several yrs old, the last time he turned down various 'come to sf' nonsense
mircea_popescu: yes, but your thinking is in the vein of free image association.
asciilifeform: i dun think 300 buys a doghouse there, within 3 hrs of anywhere.
asciilifeform: maybe not by the mausoleum lol but ~in~ moscow, and in places where trains go.
mircea_popescu: now, specifically re san francisco, it's not THAT much worse than london/moscow and way the fuck cheaper than shanghai.
asciilifeform: not the part of usa where employed folx live, lol
mircea_popescu: usa is one of the cheaper.
mircea_popescu: i had nfi taiwan was cheap anyway. isn't that where they stack like sardines, moreso than in london ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it works by 'at will employment, we do whatever we feel like, incl. fuck your ear, and if you dun like it go find another plantation'
asciilifeform: not only tax. old associate of asciilifeform's thought he was clever , went off to taiwan, keeping same (tele) job. found himself with 'cost of living adjust' to half the pay the next month.
mircea_popescu: the "oh, tax goes without saying" lulz is rapidly becoming the lightningrod of imperial dorkitude. really, bitch, tax ? and what else, gender fluidity ?
asciilifeform: ... or maybe not even. i met people who get 20 here in ye olde swamp and still have a flat to himself, rather than barrack
mircea_popescu: yeah, somehow all the abundance of "commentary", exploratory-creative as it is, fails to fucking mention "120k" actually means 70k post tax, and -5k post rent.
asciilifeform: '...people-say-about-making-120000-in-silicon-valley-2016-6...' << that's quite like 20 in the normal swamp
asciilifeform: ( summary: partizan boy going barmy; column is advancing, but he stops to shoot a hitler poster in the mud. each bullet he imagines unbombs a house, underds buncha prisoners 'from' gasenwagen, armies disassemble, etc, time unwinds. )
shinohai: https://github.com/owocki/pytrader <<< "My test portfolio was initialized with a 1 BTC deposit, and after 2 months and 23,413 trades, exited with 0.955 BTC. The system paid 2.486 BTC in fees to poloniex."
mircea_popescu: imagine, you know, getting ian "debian was the early apple appstore" murdock into a terrible, decapitating bike accident at age 5, rather than waiting for him to be fucking forty and get it from its own team.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i'd very much like to kill the present crop of "it experts" "github developers" etc as babies if possible. rather than as adults.
mircea_popescu: i gotta shoot people in the present so they don't befoul the future in the manner they befouled the present through existing in the past.
asciilifeform: y'mean there's still a hole b/w there and mircea_popescu's eulora kitchen ?! big enough for ants ?
mircea_popescu: check out the artificial intelligence!
mircea_popescu: but yes, by the time code costs a buck a line to NOT exist, i'm considering a bullet per "IT expert" "github developer" etc head would be way the fuck cheaper.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still tearing prbisms out of the graphics libs, or wat
mircea_popescu: "To put the matter in simple terms : next time you get a "black chix code" itch and feel like vomiting your idiocy in the shape of "patches" and "code submissions", seriously consider writing strings on your tits instead. It's infinitely easier to clean up, and it ends up costing us less money! This is what true ecology is all about, ye ken ?"
mircea_popescu feels the need to put http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/#selection-1029.0-1045.44 into the log :
mircea_popescu: cuban ministry "uhm... i'm pretty sure they were this way when we got 'em. americans with brain injury, amirite ?"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the maryjane files, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cd2fe3a2625b43210a53db66eb14d463/tumblr_nwn3cakN4u1usvqwuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: but i can tell you the clinton foundation "gender" derps are well defunded.
mircea_popescu: i've not bothered to actually do an eval.
asciilifeform: recall, the brochure, where 'close most fed agencies', 'defund warmism', etc etc
asciilifeform: certainly not the old cuck
mircea_popescu: (that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
mircea_popescu: because you know, how dare the pantsuit misbehaviours THAT ARE OH-SO SOCIALLY SUPPORTED not be socially supported at all!
mircea_popescu: amusingly this whole thing stems out of : some obnoxiouys pantsuit hag started harassing that spencer dude's mom, to get her to "disown" her son and donate his inheritance to the nigger fund or some shit. THAT part was a-ok ; but when this dork put some words on a website and as a result THOUSANDS of people told that woman what a shitstain she is, THEN it became scandalous.
asciilifeform: the previous tard picked for this - one spencer - was spent. so i suppose new one needed.
mircea_popescu: the "this dood we chose for not being mp -- isn't mp, so nyah, no mps do or can exist" portion is apparently what they're after.
mircea_popescu: there's a composite value, and i suppose they're aware the "this is what our SOPS said nyah" portion is just about epsilon.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 06:27 mircea_popescu: im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 11:48 BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
mircea_popescu: then supposedly "as to the mentally retarded, so for everyone, tis teh caselaws!" or somesuch bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, as per usual : the usg focusing on idiots, trying to build "legal precedent" on the basis of pursuing people too feebleminded to as much as find their way here.
mircea_popescu: im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
mircea_popescu: mostly for the lulzy "A team of four people hired by the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center to serve Mr. Anglin with notice of a lawsuit accusing him of leading a troll army have failed. They scoured parts of Ohio, where Mr. Anglin is from, and talked to his brother; they went to his fathers counseling office; they drove around his sisters church. When they saw someone was home at an apartment affiliated with h
mircea_popescu: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/technology/theyre-trying-to-sue-a-white-supremacist-first-he-must-be-found.html in other lulz.
mod6: shinohai: hey, thanks the donation Sir.
mircea_popescu: 94.185.74.247 for the record.
mircea_popescu: there's kinds ?
needhelpwithnode: I try to explain to her my delicate situation having her standing in front of my stomach. She try to fix the situation in a harsh way telling me "should i go up your little friend?"
needhelpwithnode: she realizes that I'm not turned on, and then tells me: baby, I don't have much time to spend here cause i need to continue working
needhelpwithnode: but going on with the story
needhelpwithnode: ***the girl simply
needhelpwithnode: the girl is simply cannot dedicate resources to you
needhelpwithnode: well but likes shared VPNs, with such prices you cannot have nothing to expect aside of the physical action
mircea_popescu: where the hell is this, cheaper than here even.
needhelpwithnode: i'm totally ok with the price, but only later, when we are in the car and she show me her just remade 7k euros fake titties, I realize that I'm an emotional guy and the vulva of this girl is not turning on me at all
needhelpwithnode: then appears this super cute girl (at least for my standards), she's 20, very hot romanian girl. Scared as fuck and proactively looking for police to eventually flee the zone, i approach her and she tolds me that for 30 bombs, she can have good time with me in the car
needhelpwithnode: (this fine only applies to cheap Street prostitution, since the cool kids cannot morally stand an half naked woman doin her job, doin it at home is perfectly legit and no fine applies)
needhelpwithnode: basically i was lonely and was looking to have some human affection/love. So going back to home i converted an hidden amount of btc to 50 eur, cashed out at the ATM, and started to looking forward for Street hookers. I'm generally afraid to do it because if my country police catch you talking for business with a pro, there is a very big fine (500 e
mod6: name the files like, 'mod6.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc', etc.
ag3nt_zer0: Hello TMSR... trying to implement trb here. What is the proper way to "save the PGP public keys" before placing them in .wot? Do I simply copy the entirety of the text (including -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----) revealed at the link provided by deedbot, place that into a text editor, and then save as .asc?
mircea_popescu: the short dood with bad diction, was in a buncha tv detective shows
mircea_popescu: pity they had that schmuck in it, what's his name.
hanbot: that's the one
mircea_popescu: oh is that the one where they mash casablanca, to have and have not, the maltese falcon etc together, leslie nelson style ?
hanbot: Stanislav Datsokgivsky << straight outta that "Cheap Detective" Neil Simon parody where everyone east of the mississip is AdjectiveNounVerbski
mod6: haha, that was all over the place.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/#comment-122849 << literatureprizewinner!?1
asciilifeform: 'is this gold bar or tungstenlulz' 'we can lose the tail end of it + potentiallywholething to find out, ohjoy!'
asciilifeform: fiatola derps fixate on chains of custody because they can't verify jackshit
mircea_popescu: ah. you know you souind a little like a hooker ? "customer wanted to pay more for drinks so i figured what the hell, ima go home with him. am i fired ?"
mircea_popescu: and in other "here's a trilema article to translate lol", http://trilema.com/2010/am-o-idee/
shinohai: It was the most recent hoaxtoshi, tried releasing code that is publicly available if one digs hard enough
asciilifeform: where did these go.
asciilifeform: shinohai: aha, iirc some 'i am shitoshi'-flavoured sc4mz0r even tried to make use of the fact to 'prove' his case
mircea_popescu: nah, i don't recall what the site was called, but dice something.
asciilifeform: was this in the great pokerholocausting?
mircea_popescu: then they want to talk about "Gdp growth" and "technology". fuck them in the ass with a pike of stupid, there's no technology in north america, and no gdp growth.
mircea_popescu: anyway, very much a http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ : i was the first investor afaik, his site was going great, thgen the (canadian) government stepped in and burned down the respectable business of an intelligent citizen.
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform does not specifically favour any of the published algo
asciilifeform: 'house' being them
asciilifeform: who change their nonces specifically when it would benefit the house, and in such a way as to.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't work without withening ; or in other words : he intelligently used the otherwise useless whitening step as an assurance provider. was pretty clever move, esp considering the standard for intelligence at the time.
asciilifeform: then especially how can you prove absence of waltz
mircea_popescu: ie, you against the house.
mircea_popescu: and then when the reveal occurs, you sha512(i like chicks with small tits71c0891f45d65ff7) and see.
mircea_popescu: then the first hand is played as 0c3dbf77a25ebe9733548266406161111522839d1d41f221070e59c361f6b2b0990df0606d143e90b1bb9ed1a9b39ff5fcf0ac153cc0e90297f1273076fcf38c
asciilifeform: does it publish 'and then player 9000 changed his nonce at time 100' etc ?
mircea_popescu: site publishes site + player, player can verify that published player = what he thought he was and that the sha results match (published)
asciilifeform: what does the end-of-play reveal look like ?
mircea_popescu: the reason i kept trying to get him to be involved with things was exactly that he had good solutions to actual problems. but... never caught on.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 22:18 asciilifeform: this does not actually solve the problem of proving that the output of prng was not known in advance to one or more of the players.
asciilifeform: depends on the occasion neh.
asciilifeform: almost like 'trusted' were just a cardboard propeller on a straw airplane to these folx
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 22:15 asciilifeform: 'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.'
asciilifeform: but i dun know that anybody wants to pay for what it costs to deliver this way, unless he lives across the street.
mircea_popescu: there's no actual reduction ; just an expensive, bug ridden implementation of half of usmail
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform can be replaced with ninjashogun right here in his chair neh. idea is to reduce the layers to 1.
mircea_popescu: what, you're going to arm them too ? with what, submarines ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: proposed strictly as an answer to the provenance thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't want to commission back in 2013 or so because i don't recall, something about how doesn't want to lose the spirit or somesuch.
asciilifeform: why the author is not here, remains a puzzler
mircea_popescu: the girls love the "ne futem sau evadam ?" "fuff. mai fimflu" one. which only exists in romanian.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell jurov I wish to donate my s.qntra shares this month to the bitcoin foundation. Please advise how to proceed, thx.
asciilifeform: runner up nominate, 'the restless dead vote', and 'sword fucks your wife at night'
mircea_popescu: the DUKES of hazards of hashcollisions, trinque.
trinque: this is not persuading me of the hazards of hashcollision
asciilifeform: oh and hey remember the idiot anglos who pictured 'girl mircea'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 23:43 mircea_popescu: btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709230 << you should see the http://trilema.com/2017/tute/ shuffling, its something else. so, dealer spreads cards on the table and rubs his hands on them in a circular pattern sometimes distrurbign the player's chip stacks.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:57 trinque: www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709181 << quite. and as the femme alf says, "they don't even know it exists".
mircea_popescu: quite. though usually in the manner of "i just want my pension"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:51 asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709173 << this is how everything was ever done in the field.
asciilifeform: youreaditherephirst.
mircea_popescu: good thing we didn't read the pdfs.
mircea_popescu: aite then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's potentially infinitely many ways to lubyate
asciilifeform: then verify by unlubying.
asciilifeform: for n00bz, i'll review : cut into chunks C1,C2,...,Cn; then sign, S(C1 xor C2), S(C2,C3,C9999), S(C5), etc. with the 'soliton' providing the arity
mircea_popescu: and i don't think it's necessarily a bad solution, which is why i said there are others.
asciilifeform: or rather not i have one, but
asciilifeform: i'd like to find what trinque had in mind re accounting for collisions. ( but let's encourage him to put it in the article! )
mircea_popescu: for the record, si heisenberg limit is 10^-34
asciilifeform: in other walks of life, when, e.g., building bridge, there is a notion of material strength