mircea_popescu: rather than a mass endeavour.
mircea_popescu: and, contrary to diderot & wikitards "reality", there was in fact fascinating work ongoing in the ancien regime.
mircea_popescu: the point being, that this here thing you've stumbled upon is actually a humongous cut branch of the tree of engineering.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, let us point out the logical next step on porcelain fabrication, which louis & friends were engaged in at the time of their unfortunate beheadal
mircea_popescu: there's no squirreling away out of studying THIS particular end of art.
mircea_popescu: you know not what you speak of, my man. and this time it's sad. go look at the art of the past would you!
mircea_popescu: you know, just like they do.
mircea_popescu: trained slavegirl can make you these by hand in an afternoon, whole set of beautiful keys.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the original design constreaints : porcelain way the fuck better than plastic for "dbl injection cast mold in qty of one"
asciilifeform: i'd incidentally be entirely open to buying porcelain keys, if anyone knew how to make these to the req'd dimensional tolerance, and see what happens
trinque: "she has to fuck well, whether or not dropped off a building!"
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the original point was, that "abrication of wear resistant small pieces went through centuries of being porcelain based".
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is trying to slip into the crack between 'science, indisputable facts!' and 'can't make a sword blade out of ceramic dummy, wrong situation'?
ben_vulpes: well this is the job of engineer, select correct materials for correct applications.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that in many applications in the past back when we were 3 yo those were equivalent categories.
mircea_popescu: similar situation with porcelain, counterintuitively it is rather unbrittle.
ben_vulpes: need to know, or heuristicate, how much ceramic to make the handle out of
mircea_popescu: it is a very uninformed argument. in point of fact the "Fragile" spider web is one of the strongest materials known.
mircea_popescu: but this hides the proper argument. ben_vulpes would you say "paper is stronger than spider web, i can tear the latter without noticing" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform both items used in the intended manner. sword, as sword, cup as cup.
mircea_popescu: (million dollars is perhaps not enough to buy either, but let's pretend fiatola has some modicum of value)
ben_vulpes: see the recent discovery of cavalier swords at hadrians wall
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oxidization plays a role in the loss of steel
asciilifeform: that ain't the problem
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712538 << this is not a bad point, showing a fine understanding of the history of huma nthought. fabrication of wear resistant small pieces went through a century old porcelain phase yes.
asciilifeform: i forgot to mention bit-shifts , but these are obviously also available.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/far-left-media-covers-for-violent-even-further-left-ists-assault-on-landscaping-vehicle/ << Qntra - Far Left Media Covers for Violent Even-Further-Left-ists Assault on Landscaping Vehicle
asciilifeform: ( the rsa operation, the one and only, is modular exponentiation. but it is made trivially from modular multiplication . )
asciilifeform: there is also division but it is RUINOUSLY expensive
asciilifeform: you have the following primitives : multiplier ( 2 N-bit numbers -> 1 2N-bit number ); adder ( ditto ); subtractor ( ditto ); muxer ( 2 N-bit numbers, 1 single-bit number, yields one or the other N-bit depending on that single bit ) ; logical ops (and/or/xor/not)
asciilifeform: it's a mathematical problem purely
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes et al want to try their hand , i'll read
asciilifeform: this is in fact the only item holding up release of 'p'.
ben_vulpes: i eat from tin pans i salvage from the midden, just like you.
asciilifeform: i spend 14+hrs/day with the thing in my hands, and it makes a difference.
ben_vulpes: every man in teh failed states of americastan gotta pick which things to salvage from the midden to cobble a life together from.
asciilifeform: and i ain't eating 'american cheese' either.
ben_vulpes: release your attachment to the perfect devices of years past, it but causes you suffering
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's all dead. we live in the ashes.
asciilifeform: there is to be no slip of the ratchet, no 'doctor cured your ear, but poked out an eye'
asciilifeform: then wear.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun want to FEEL THE LETTERS OMFG
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could etch the letters in; carve them out with a cnc mill. 'tis not the end of the world.
BingoBoingo: Now that this is decided, refocus to rest of the thing
BingoBoingo: Even then, rest of switch mechanism doesn't have to be ceramic. Just the keycaps. Solves problem of letter wear. Everything else can be buttjection molded whatever, as long as it is soft enough to not piss of keys.
asciilifeform: not even sintered ceramics, a la what my lathe cuts with, like shocks
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 19:45 asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width.
asciilifeform: in other non-noose, asciilifeform still searching for a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696834 .
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 06:29 trinque writing standalone tools for key->addr doodling, and eventually txn manip., had to define VERSION at the top of each.
asciilifeform: nah i know a buncha folx who dun care at all. they work with... pens
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose i'm the only one that doesn't actually care all that much.
mircea_popescu: (note that all key arrangements, from atms to dishwashers, are in a rectangular pattern ; and i expect alf wants them radial or something)
asciilifeform: i dun think they do 6axis cnc
mircea_popescu: there's like... i dunno, 8 total alive or somesuch.
asciilifeform: if it only needed pcb, everybody would just call up favourite pcb fab and then stfu
asciilifeform: which is the only thing that could not be done with massaged 'model f'
asciilifeform: in my case i would even be content without letters, but simply to control the number and ~placement~ of keys.
mircea_popescu: seems hardly worth the hassle. but anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 03:34 trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
asciilifeform: hypothetically ( actually trinque was the one who asked , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712398 )
asciilifeform: is what thread was about. ( and that is at the minimal, in my case i also want to fit existing pistons , and req'd luft is no larger than what is permitted in rifle barrel )
mircea_popescu: unless you're getting your fingers measured for the key size or some shit.
asciilifeform: the only known satisfactory method is called double-shot injection molding, where the letter is cast ( yes, physical shape, e.g letter A ) and then key is cast ~around~ it
mircea_popescu: ie, when at the height of soviet obamacare you broke your leg and your mother made you an ad-hoc wooden contraption to fix it, she DID in fact bespoke you a traction, even if it sucked so bad as to compare negatively to african healthcare.
asciilifeform: i.e. the keys.
asciilifeform: the item directly to do with bespokeness is the difficulty of shaping heterogeneous solid objects with 0.01% accuracy.
mircea_popescu: but this has nothing to do with the bespokeness.
mircea_popescu: there's a substantial difference between "i don't like this" and "this doesn't compare favourably to rando coworker's item". these two can never mix. this isn't sophistry, but plain sense.
mircea_popescu: if "mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar" is your criterion, then it definitionally is not bespoke. because it's not compared to you, it's compared to the mass.
asciilifeform: it means 'exactly as i want, with the mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar'
mircea_popescu: they still use commodity fabric, furnishings etc. they just tailor it to your ass is all.
asciilifeform: this means that the chassis is custom. out of what do you propose to make it ?
asciilifeform: let's forget model-f pistons and flappers. which aren't made today, and can only be made with injection mold. take, at the very minimum, that you decide how many keys, and where they go.
mircea_popescu: gimme a break. the letter A isn't your invention.
mircea_popescu aspires to one day meet a chick by the name o' shennaniganne o'sheridan.
trinque writing standalone tools for key->addr doodling, and eventually txn manip., had to define VERSION at the top of each.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 03:44 asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712422 << maybe time to consider theremin! see BingoBoingo 's typist cat!
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 02:43 kanzure: i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
mircea_popescu: all the foregoing text was knocked in morse!
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 01:04 asciilifeform: why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion.
asciilifeform: not a single one permitted RESTING the foot
asciilifeform: WITHOUT EXCEPTION all currently made input periphs are shite. especially, egregiously, the pedals -- i've thrown away 3 or 4 nao
asciilifeform: rather than naked 'how many buttons can i press per second'
kanzure: really the only purpose of high wpm that i have figured out is winning irc flame wars
asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
asciilifeform: ( minus the hover, wtf , why wouldja )
kanzure: fastest gun in the west
kanzure: lateral movement isn't so bad, sean wrona does that all the time
asciilifeform: ( i dun need 300 or even 200 'wpm' for anything, so it dunbotherme)
kanzure: the twiddler thing?
asciilifeform: ever see a post-1990s kbd that was in use for coupla yrs, the lettering wore off. this dun happen on proper keys.
asciilifeform: ( the item where the lettering NEVER wears out, because it is simply the inner layer of the key is black and protrudes just-so )
trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 17:47 asciilifeform: phf: the hard part is to actually get a hold of a 'model f'.
asciilifeform: i muchly prefer the 'f' -- no membrane dome anywhere inside of it, unlike 'm'
asciilifeform: ( don't be confused by the external resemblance to 'terminal model-m'. mechanics entirely different. no rivets, for one thing. )
asciilifeform: trinque: nothing beats modelf + the custom controller imho
trinque has keyboard remapped to hell, but would be nice to design the thing around the designated key functions.
asciilifeform: i solved this by doing the model-f thing.
kanzure: i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 00:53 asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712365 << reflects poorly on the world in which we live that there isn't a bespoke keyboard-maker.
asciilifeform: why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion.
PeterL: the other option is to think more, type less, and then it does not matter so much where any particular key is
asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
PeterL: hmm, here's another key I never use, what does "Caps Lock" even do?
shinohai: I mean, it's just a few inches to the right - not a trip to Saturn.
PeterL: plus, it is waaaay over there, isn't it easier to just hit shift-8 ?
PeterL: somehow I didn't even think of that, I never use the numpad *!
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711925 << how do you type * without hitting the shift key?
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!! << seems like yesterday
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And solar shade hokum https://elaineou.com/2017/08/27/how-to-monopolize-solar-energy-and-take-over-the-world/
BingoBoingo: "Also note that the service employees union is providing logistical support." >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8881 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8885
BingoBoingo: "University relationships sometimes never last longer than university, but that hasnt stopped the hook-up between the son of Israeli PM Yair Netanyahu, 23, and his fellow student Norwegian Sandra Leikanger, 25, stirring up all sorts of political dissent. Because shes not Jewish. "
BingoBoingo: lols just wanna be free http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/politics/the-israeli-prime-minister-s-son-s-relationship-has-got-political-because-he-s-got-a-non-jewish-girlfriend-2014026042
asciilifeform: oh hey and built-in support for ethertardium, 1000+loc's worth
asciilifeform: hey dontcha lust to buy gadget for producing signatures so you can THEN THROW THEM AWAY lol
mircea_popescu: whole definition of being a gavin is above. "speak so nobody can tell if the "audience" listens or not"\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. just, when gavin's talking it's impossible to tyell if they read or underlined.
mircea_popescu: they cnat raed
asciilifeform: i would ask 'what's to keep some unrelated d00d from making walletrons that simply talk over rs232..' but then remembered that it is probably same thing that keeps'em from making rng where ditto despite how OMFG WE PUBLISHED DESIGN
mircea_popescu: THEY WILL MAKE OWN DECISIONS
a111: Logged on 2015-09-22 03:01 asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-29 19:26 asciilifeform: from the published circuit, it seems to be asking for it.
asciilifeform: i can't seem to find a time when the thing wasn't a screaming joke, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-29#815106 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-22#1282100 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-27#1354322
BingoBoingo: But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!!
mircea_popescu: CERTAINLY not anything like "hey, they told you this in 2014"
BingoBoingo: Updated, this is in all their versions
asciilifeform: recall the catv folx or who was it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some post linking to their github
asciilifeform: and can somebody say why the thing even needed driver ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can haz sores of the noose plz ?
mircea_popescu: i like how they add "d" to things know.
asciilifeform: for the LUVV OF gAwD, MONTREZOR!111
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/another-trezor-hardware-wallet-default-flaw-trezord-exe-phones-home/ << Qntra - Another Trezor "Hardware Wallet" Default Flaw: Trezord.exe Phones Home
mircea_popescu: there's also a deep red one, but i've not yet seen it.
mircea_popescu: yest a frog, a pretty tiny tree guy, climed all the way up to the top level terrace thing, 10 meters. was sitting on a (wooden) chair going "sup ?"
BingoBoingo: And then you write off entire classes of residential structure as habitable when enough people have asked to establish a trend...
BingoBoingo: And they'll insist "This shit works great on roaches"
BingoBoingo: And they'll bring it to their relatives in northern states who will also use that shit indoors
BingoBoingo: Back people work in southern states and love using "Surrender" (TM)(R) granules labeled for outdoor fire and mound control... indoors and generally everywhere.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what's the connection between acephate and black people?
BingoBoingo: Google's answer to "Is Acephate Toxic" >> "It is considered non-phytotoxic on many crop plants. Acephate and its primary metabolite, methamidophos, are toxic to Heliothis spp. that are considered resistant to other organophosphate insecticides. Acephate emits toxic fumes of various oxides of phosphorus, nitrogen, and sulfur when heated to decomposition."
mircea_popescu: "but he's a close friend of the royals!!!" right.
mircea_popescu: and i mean basic shit, "oh, if you have shares in the crown thaty'll be quite enough". really bitch, i get shit for free at walmart for owning walmart stock, that's what it is ?!
mircea_popescu: take stephen fry as a fine example. cancerous fag has been doing anti-reality nonsense since the 80s
BingoBoingo: Residence is needed for the "OMG still resident" factor
mircea_popescu: what's residence needed for ? ~nothing made in english since 2001 has any basis in sanity, it's 100% the pantsuit lulz.
mircea_popescu: and in other hatefacts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/720a92f3d847982bae62049e2db8a30e/tumblr_mh343fLjtp1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: was speaking of the fromloper/rothbart one
a111: Logged on 2017-09-11 17:40 ben_vulpes: funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-11#1712099 << the disadvantage of being nazi state mouthpiece is you end up the jewish "owner" of der sturmer.
asciilifeform: pretty strange, d00d regged and then... vanished
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ? << Mebbe?
mircea_popescu: so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ?
BingoBoingo: So now there's all the problematizing about how halfway through the book all the kids fucked to cement a pact or something
mircea_popescu: i think i actually spent more time with the guy irl than reading his books, amusinglty enough
BingoBoingo: Eh, he's going through a turn as fad of the day in fake news discussions.
mircea_popescu: i'm not much of a fan/reader of the blind guy from mass.
BingoBoingo: Well consider 2017 America on 1980's America "Perhaps most horrifying to modern sensibilities is that there is no talk of birth control, condoms, or a realization that a circle jerk would have sufficed."
mircea_popescu: WHAT THEN!!!
mircea_popescu: this is what makes cambridge degree REAL in their eyes : that it's BOTH a) evidently false and b) printed by mit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, the opposite i say! locals are unknown ~and unknowable~. imports can be usda certified. donate 100k to dnc, get a GENUINE brown kid. you know it's genuine by the... wait for it... FALSIFYING PAPERWORK ATTENDANT!
mircea_popescu: and, make no mistake, there is no choice and no other consideration in this inability. it is inability, plain and simple. much like the quadriplegic isn't moving his limbs not because "he thinks it better for the environment". fucking can not.
mircea_popescu: can't simply rape and pillage, MUST have someone else do that and regurgitate the proceeds in their open craws.
mircea_popescu: english rose : oh, what a bore. nobody knew anyone who could introduce us so we just walked around the jungle.
mircea_popescu: russian womahn : oh it was terrible. during the night they took turns fucking me and during the day they held soviet committee meetings to infiereze my whorishness.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ? << local are known quantity. Further away allows for greater imagining
mircea_popescu: so, frenchwoman : oh, it was fabulous. during the day jean-luc anchored me with his dick up my butt and held me up while pierre fucked me standing ; while at night they switched.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the national woman on a deserted island with a bunch of male compatriots ?
mircea_popescu: they. literally. with no embelishment of rhetoric whatsoever. CAN. NOT. interact with unknowns. AT ALL. zilp ; zero ; zilch ; nada.
asciilifeform: 'no panning required, shoots out of the ground'
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the narcissist autist works, do you ?
asciilifeform: it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa << Popular in establishment hellholes like Amherst Massachussets. It's the sort fo thing you see in Ladue, Missouri (rich liberal scum), but not really in Town and Country, Missouri (Money from business interests)
asciilifeform: for this particular experiment i am only interested in the pubkeys. which i expect will - yes - sit down in the space of a '700mb warez film'...
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform tested various proggies purporting to extract utxoset. each and every one, shite. e.g. 'bitcoin-abe' works in geological speed, and promises to produce multi-TB sql turd
mircea_popescu: for breaking the costa rican law.
asciilifeform: i dun think the ustard side gives much damn re indictments in bananistan tho
mircea_popescu: antischindler list in the making, if all goes well. but anyway, lettuce not get ahead of selves.
mircea_popescu: as in the us it's now illegal to rape in a foreign jurisdiciton
mircea_popescu: but that works in common system, "oh, aversarial proceedings, we judge the case as is". not here. here, all the officials involved get thrown in jale and THEN!!!! the ustards who took the kids, and the ones who facilitated CAN be prosecuted
asciilifeform: usa ( and certain other shitholes within the reich, e.g. sweden ) run an internally-recirculating version of this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get corrupt official to declare mother/conditions unfit / get other corrupt official to ship them over.
asciilifeform pictures the baby-seller in pelevin's 'SNUFF'
mircea_popescu: but then obama came in and some tards were all liek "oh, brown, same thing"
asciilifeform: the 'ironcurtain kidz' thing was massive and visible to naked eye, and seekreetly made sense to everybody : they were white
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's the racial cuckening in action
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes first, some local schmucks may be actually seeing the inside of jail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa
mircea_popescu: with the "iron curtain" thing
mircea_popescu: there's been a LARGE "party donation for child adoption" DNC scam running throughout the obama term
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: going after the clinton foundation itself?
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought they typically 'ate local'
asciilifeform: sale on the us market << lolwat..? organ market ?
mircea_popescu: rumor level at the moment ; but a pregnant one
mircea_popescu: so in random lulz : later today im meeting this local fellow with whom im going to be making a foundation for the prosecution of the hilary foundation ; and for the unravelling of what atm seems like a scheme to steal thousandsa of children from poor costa rican mothers for sale on the us market.
ben_vulpes: oh shit i forgot about the pickup truck flag index
BingoBoingo: "An alarming moment came toward the end of the day when a man driving a black Chevrolet truck adorned with American flags and a Confederate flag decal" << AHAm pickup truck flag index!
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: paste the pubkey
shinohai: No, you need to paste the entire public key
fromloper: I'd like to register under a different nick - do I need to re-enter the channel to do so?
shinohai: If you mean for a Qntra, well you are the Portland Bureau
ben_vulpes: funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
fromloper: I've got a key - is there a FAQ?
asciilifeform: then i will rate you
asciilifeform: if it still holds btc, theoretically boobytrapped shitcoin client can send priv to enemy
asciilifeform: fromloper: because chances are that you haven't read every line of the proggy that you are about to throw the privkey into
fromloper: Any reason why you're moving the BTC first?
asciilifeform: 1) move the btc using trb, to new addr 2) import (now empty on btc chain) privkey into shitcoin node 3) empty the shitcoins into a gox 4) sell
fromloper: so at the moment, I need to import via that wallet software
asciilifeform: fromloper: again depends WITH WHAT. if you haven't audited the thing you are importing the privkey into, you are best off moving the btc first.
fromloper: ye, I should be able to jerryrig the whole thing without installing/syncing the bcrash node
shinohai: imo you are completely safe if you move true btc to new addy, then import keyz to bcrash
asciilifeform: also take note of the fact that a shitcoin node can take more than a week to sync, the thing is quite buggy and slow
asciilifeform: move the btc using a trb node
asciilifeform: iirc armory is not a full node, and relies on full nodes belonging to third parties for all of the mechanics
fromloper: gotcha - the bcrash will still be on the original addresses, even after the BTC has been moved off?
asciilifeform: fromloper: it doesn't hurt to move the btc first.
asciilifeform: fromloper: if entirely on your own iron, and with proggy that you audited -- then theoretically no
asciilifeform: fromloper: depends with what you do the dumping
fromloper: I could use some advice wrt the latter: do I need to spend my BTC to new addresses, before bumping my crash?
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Ecclesiastes 1:9 :: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
asciilifeform: phf: was in the l0gz iirc