lobbes: re this monitoring thing: seems like the key either way is to have a parent process that spawns the child process, rather than a disconnected process monitoring whatever
trinque: and sure, could bash script a loop that does exactly what you want, and then bash script your next service too. people do that. and then they generalize out the utils, and have a process manager of their own.
trinque: which can be other than "thrash-loop until operator notices"
mircea_popescu: does it do moar monitoring than "is PID so and so still there" ?
trinque: sure, it knows the PID of its own child process
trinque: and it's the lightest weight item that does so, that I've found
lobbes: I'm gonna look into shinohai's suggestion of checking the PID rather than grepping for name. Let's just leave it in #eulora for now and I'll get back once I dig deeper later tonight/this week
mircea_popescu: lobbes didja give the code a once over for the purpose of not ending up with this again ?
lobbes: I assume IP had to be banned. I'll leave it up to the court whether or not to unban. bot's only function here was quoting logs.minigame.bz anyhow
lobbes: in other news, lobbesbotpocalypse is over. full details here: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-20.log.html#t20:06:34
mircea_popescu: heck, for the same money also exclude 2, and perhaps 3 because son of numbers previously hit by bill of numeric attainder.
mircea_popescu: so far i'd be surprised if anyone seriouslty didn't want to ; the argument as presented seems sufficiently overabundant!
mircea_popescu: alrighty then!!1
asciilifeform: wtf is even the point of talking about primes if you ALWAYS gotta say 'but not 1'
asciilifeform: how about the 'every int has unique prime factorization' item ?
mircea_popescu: the definition of prime is as quoted, what more is needed here ? 1 is divisible by only itself and the unit [of measure].
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 1 gets to be a prime, you then throw out the conventional def of prime, because now you have a prime that divides other primes unequal to itself
spyked: mircea_popescu, yeha, but maths ppl I read/talked to "by convenience" define prime as "a number greater than 1 which is divisible ..." the reason escapes me. and as usual, online sources are shit.
mircea_popescu: spyked "a prime number is one which is divisible by only itself and the meter".
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the above example of "alt-addition" is mostly based on the happenstance that in base 10, the set of digits that are also prime is {1,2, 3, 5, 7} and the set of digits that are not prime is {0, 4, 6, 8, 9} ie it just so happens to be a perfectly balanced split.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716177 <-- why 1? don't want to start a debate on that. dunno if debate was ever settled by mathematicians, but I learned in school that primes are strictly > 1
asciilifeform: will be interesting if any reply, considering how the thing obsoletes half the idiocy they currently print
mircea_popescu: with the perhaps eventual result of actually producing a well grounded numeric-theoretic notion of what alf wanted, ie a fucking hash already
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about sending ffa , when finished, as an article into the saecular derps' 'cryptology journals', strictly for the lulz of getting their reject barf , and then posting, a la al schwartz
mircea_popescu: can come up with a few mp-extended additions of your own, and for that money even formulate a general theory of addition extension in this sense,
spyked: oh. confusion is resolved then
spyked rereads the definition of mp prime-addition
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716165 <-- I r confused. if 3 + 9 = 2 (+1 carry, because of primality of 3), then isn't the result 93?
asciilifeform: but he dun have as many theorems.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother played it tho.
mircea_popescu: btw, i take it everyone has played knight's bounty ? as the crowning accomplishment of those eastern orc lands ?
asciilifeform: ( famously, kennedy bought entire railroad car right before signing the ban )
mircea_popescu: didn't obama win the cigar nobel prize ?
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought there were no ( at least Officially ) cuban cigars in usa
asciilifeform: but if thing tasted as good as the tube smelled!
mircea_popescu: lel. good for granpa then.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, should be smoked within the same decade they're rolled. tobacco dun exactly age in this extended sense
mircea_popescu: they're pretty good.
asciilifeform: 20 yrs ago it still had the smell. ( not today )
asciilifeform: inherited from grandfather's 'weird shit from foreign lands' box
mircea_popescu: and in other ways and means, i just bought a pile of primo cigars, presidents and romeo y juliets and whatnot at this... cathouse, basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's the point, base 10 is superbly built wrt primeness.
mircea_popescu: in other bases that don't so even split, this is not crypto-valuable because you would get induced lean.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the above example of "alt-addition" is mostly based on the happenstance that in base 10, the set of digits that are also prime is {1,2, 3, 5, 7} and the set of digits that are not prime is {0, 4, 6, 8, 9} ie it just so happens to be a perfectly balanced split.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:19 ben_vulpes: and as the keccacteams mention, little incentive for cryptoacademia to formalize how ARXceteras might fall over. hard work with little guarantee of payout apparently terrible strategy in a world of publishorperish + everyone pretends to ignore that none of the academics ever bothered to do the hard work of an actual ffa, preferring instead cheap outs like leaky tables
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716136 << the truth of the matter is that no fiat pretend sovereign CAN AFFORD to do such work. because they are poor. it's like asking why easter islandians didn't build pyramids.
shinohai: lobbes: There are like 30 instances of it over in #eulora
asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
mircea_popescu: i also fucked it up because 9 is not prime so it should have carried the 1
mircea_popescu: and the whole point was to break out of ring.
mircea_popescu: i was not proceding towards a purpose! but it is worth pointing out that the addition understood in terms of "sum+bit diddle" can readily be extended ; and probably should be.
asciilifeform: i'd prefer a macroscale numbertheoretical hash, even one that explicitly stands on strength of, e.g., rsa, to the currently extant soup.
mircea_popescu: just illustrating the concept.
asciilifeform: then it'll be a table
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything involving 'isprime()' during everyday life is either a table lookup (leaks!) or miller-rabin (slow as fuck, temptation to cut iterations and introduce eggog)
mircea_popescu: addition is "and you flip a bit if and only if the digits overflow the mod", but this is historical accident.
mircea_popescu: there's a whole class of generalizations that can be done in this same vein.
mircea_popescu: consider something like mp's generalized addition : the sum of two numbers flips a bit if and only if one of them is prime.
mircea_popescu: while the carry property of addition is cryptographically valuable, it'd be better to use a general transform with bit coda instead.
ben_vulpes: and as the keccacteams mention, little incentive for cryptoacademia to formalize how ARXceteras might fall over. hard work with little guarantee of payout apparently terrible strategy in a world of publishorperish + everyone pretends to ignore that none of the academics ever bothered to do the hard work of an actual ffa, preferring instead cheap outs like leaky tables
asciilifeform: and imho there is a serious problem with 'not ARX' in linked piece : omitting additions makes the hash ~considerably~ nsa-friendlier : it is easier to implement xor/and/not/shift on, e.g., optical computer, when you don't need addition (and ergo carries)
asciilifeform: ( plenty of known basis for ~weaknesses~ of various . the absence of which, in any particular case, has NO bearing on above. )
asciilifeform: TomServo: there is no scientific basis for the strength of ANY published hash algo whatsoever.
asciilifeform: bonus lul: https://archive.is/tK1o1 << list of public catastrophic bugs in bigint libs . bonus-2 : compiled by the perpetrators of mit's attempt at faux-ffa ( won't link separately, it's a megalith of mechanical 'proof' crapolade )
asciilifeform: there are a total of Bitness * DividendWordness cycles , in this example 64*128 == 8192
asciilifeform: it isn't actually necessary to touch the entire R for the first Bitness*(RemainderWordness-1) (on 64-bit box, and for the 4096b example, that's 64*63 == 4032 ) shots of the inner loop !
asciilifeform: ( hint re FZ_Mod : notice that the first Bitness shift-lefts are really single-word; and same is true of the subtraction, and of the mux; the next Bitness ditto and ditto -- are really 2-word ops; and so on. )
asciilifeform: barrett reduction >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/barrett_1986.pdf << 1333337 w4r3z . yes, pdf, it's the original 1986 article, scan.
asciilifeform: ( the 'corrector' at the end of barrett will have to go through a mux, and fire a fixed # of times, and gotta prove that this-many and no-greater suffices. )
asciilifeform: ultimately it would make sense to use barrett reduction but currently i am not satisfied with the proof that it converges ( for some reason, every statement of this proof that i could find, seems to exclude reduction by powers of 2, and i do not yet understand why )
asciilifeform: alert reader will also notice that FZ_Mod is now ok with half-width divisors, eliminating the copying in FZ_Mod_Mul and FZ_Mod_Square .
asciilifeform: ^ no barrett yet. and there is still room for polish in barrettless variant, there is still a great deal of avoidable shifting and subtraction of guaranteed-empty words in FZ_Mod ( exercise for alert reader, to see where ! )
asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG, panzers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BAjEK/?raw=true << 27.2 sec (4096b modexp)
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the singularitits!
shinohai: !~later tell lobbes You're gonna hafta to tell me the story of this one over a beer one day. [~]D
mircea_popescu: yes "anticolonialism" was bullshit, but not because it destroyed a supposed rational approach of the colonisers. it was bullshit because it exactly mirrored "civil rights" at home, ie was driven by INTERnationalistic, socialist elite-wannabes.
BingoBoingo: Anticolonialism ravaged countries as nationalist elites mobilized illiterate populations with appeals to destroy the market economies, pluralistic and constitutional polities, and rational policy processes of European colonizers.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-14#205675 << i have a line open to "UESTC" in chengdu, i'll keep y'all in the loop
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 02:47 mircea_popescu: soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something.
BingoBoingo: and the discussion is over the same qntra piece, submitted to the alt-Reddit with the same title to samely title /conspiracy
BingoBoingo: Well, even the top comment is better: "But why would you want to offend this poor, oppressed pedosexual, you bigot? Youre just pedophobic! jewish media"
BingoBoingo: Anyway, that was all a fucking setup. Look at the real link aggregation site: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2140102
mircea_popescu: the enjoyable aspect of these empty hollow shells of nothing PURPORTING to be "liberals" or "consumers" or whatever the fuck it is they're purporting to be is that it takes literally 0 effort to parody them into the ground.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. I could drift away into another cult again!
mircea_popescu: i have this friend (ie, chick that was dating hotter guys than me in highschool and never sat with me in cafeteria) that's (((being))) a real estate agent except she's not closed on anything since 2015. it'd REALLY make my day if I could introduce her to some beta trading in their govt issued paycheck for a govt issued house certificate.
mircea_popescu: would you like to buy a house together ?
mircea_popescu: that's how you know they're not (((REALLY))) barristas, either. they don't admit to it, right ? so it's not true.
mircea_popescu: hey, she didn't (((REALLY))) lose if they don't admit she has!
BingoBoingo: Right, Just like that 83rd trimester abortion can get the girl's modesty back
BingoBoingo: HRC is how they say "Hillary Clinton" in places they don't want google to associate with Hilary Clinton
mircea_popescu: gotta love how teh jews are still out there, acting as if there's more substance to this supposed "liberal" thing than said hilarity.
BingoBoingo: Completely neglecting the whole point of... A couple catholics burried their bishops in little boys and news pushes it decades later
BingoBoingo: "that's barely English, and the only reason "pantsuit" is in there is because of a high correlation with "liberal" thanks to HRC."
BingoBoingo: "Man, that site is weird. There's lots of stories that have the word "pantsuits" in them but the site purports to be about bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something.
mircea_popescu: and now thatthe log is done, i shall dedicate myself to the other enjoyable literate passtime -- the reading of old trilema articles.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em 2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you were the one with "errythang exists in russian" kick no ? :D
mircea_popescu: and i'll point out that while Попескy is acceptable, Мирчи is pretty far from the original.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform happycoin.club/fiatnyie-uchrezhdeniya-v-virtualnyih-mirah/ bitminer.in.ua/фиатные-учреждения-в-виртуальных- and assorted other such.
asciilifeform: ( e.g., you can buy ram that's 1 bit wide, or 4, or in multiples of 8 or (very expensively) of 9, but afaik no other size. and multitude of other devices, e.g. anything that runs on spi, expect 8bitism )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1715990 << on second thought, this is prominently not true in... FUCKGOATS ( just as every other rs232 device, it must be connected to a machine that knows what to do with 8bit byte and NEVER pads it to any other size with nulls or otherwise )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 01:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716005 << manually driven pointerolade is exactly the proverbial 'bus with four steering wheels'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716003 << only if willing to strain the meaning of 'will handle' until is screams
mircea_popescu: and in other randoms of today, "Есть удобный справочник от Мирчи Попеску о том, как взаимодействовать с фиатными учреждениями, которые пытаются требовать юрисдикции над виртуальными мирами."
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!"
mircea_popescu: also, the splitting must be a view (ie, toggleable).
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:39 phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715903 << interestingly, same here. is there a known-good application of the rope ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:30 phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition
mircea_popescu: shit's not gonna be reading any ssds, dvds, etcs, so why the fuck is my 2gb sample of two girls fucking each other's ass on the brandemburg expressed in z80 units.
mod6: join the joyride alf
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that. but note the fucking 8-bit byte friendly programs COME ON FUCKING CASSETTE TAPE! LIKE ROXETTE OMFG!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's fine on some platforms. i think we might be like the only people who even touched such a platform this decade.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no benefit in maintaining a "quarter byte" antiquated notion, this isn't the museum of Z80 computing science.
mircea_popescu: so update the byte, and be fucking done with it.
mircea_popescu: so why even maintain the "8 bit byte" nonsense ? "oh, it'd be hard for people to change" ? WHAT FUCKING PEOPLE!!! 80% of everyone involved with computers heard about this "programmable" thing sometime LAST YEAR
mircea_popescu: knock yourself out, have 64 bit long glyph pages, who the fuck is keeping you.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:21 asciilifeform: phf: it's the root of 90% of the bloat and outright retardation in the currently extant utils
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715881 << here's an alt take on this : the problem comes from having the notion of byte be anything else but bus width. if 64 bit machines natively worked on 64 bit bytes, all the message fucktification bs known as unicode would be significantly less of a conversation issue.
mircea_popescu: but the bill as written by the usg.hacks was "takes over", not "lingers irrelevantly for as long as we keep pouring money into the sand"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: service for the collection of revalorizable materials
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715878 << i suppose it was on the candidate list now that "bitcoin core" and "bitcoin cash" both crashed and burned ; and there you go ruining all its great cachet!
mircea_popescu: i always thought it somewhat weird that ~all we ever interview is chicks for the topless position, fwiw.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:04 phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:02 phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 20:25 asciilifeform: ( translation from usg limba de lemn : 'there will now be concrete penalties for exposing dnc diddling of elections' )
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck designs a p2p network like this ?" "hey, thank your lucky stars he didn't build it out of wxwidgets"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << cons cell is prolly the simplest physical realization of this item
phf: it would eliminate the need for a very large number of data structures
phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)
asciilifeform: ( btw i always found it interesting that the unix authors never saw it fit to include a binary equivalent for diff/patch . but iirc we had this thread. )
asciilifeform: phf: string insert is O(N) troo!! but i can't escape the notion that if you're manually inserting INSIDE multi-GB strings, Something Is Wrong with yer process
phf: make your ropes persist on disk, and then have a single pass that build ropes out of the complete contents of file (which you already have to do), and then you offload rope subtree that doesn't fit in memory, and then you edit the whole monster by swapping rope subtrees in and out, and FINALLY you have to walk the whole rope structure, file and memory alike, to serialize it back into file
asciilifeform: i'll take that as a yes then
asciilifeform: barpub: are you familiar with the concept of complexity-as-environmental-pollutant ?
asciilifeform: incidentally anybody who really yearns for 'ropes', can approximate the effect on his box right now: go and directly edit a gzipped text...
asciilifeform: if i were to randomly flip a bit in a bitstring representing roped text, it will quite possibly turn it to liquishit. if i do the same to normal string, you have 1 bad char in 1 particular place.
phf: i suspect xi trades snappiness for multi-gb use, which you don't notice, since you have to run it on the most recent mac (at least mac front end requires maxver xcode)
asciilifeform: 'ropes' text not only replaces O(1) ops with O(log n), but introduces pointerism and the inevitable overflow ( when implemented, as all unixen are, in overflowlang ) and thus possibility of ill-formed structures , whereas ALL conventional strings are well-formed at birth
asciilifeform: that's the only 1 i know of aha
phf: barpub: nah, real structure editor doesn't. but then i've no idea what asciilifeform is talking about. there's not really any real structure editors in production. i know of a dead one, and it's an interlisp programming environment
asciilifeform: rather than some sad hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros
asciilifeform: ... and if you've decided to 'be fancy', go the whole hog and write a structure editor
phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)
asciilifeform: presently EVERYBODY is 'representing strings as flat array', but some folx are lying to themselves about it
asciilifeform: phf: you were quite right in the past. comment is re 'fraction of complexity' item
phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition
phf: 90% of bloat and outright retardation comes from there being retards in the process. it's like cancer, it doesn't limit itself to only this type of tissue
asciilifeform: phf: it's the root of 90% of the bloat and outright retardation in the currently extant utils
asciilifeform: phf: iirc it popped up in the 'bsd cat' thread
asciilifeform: this unfortunately applies to ~everything and ~anything else just the same
phf: i now realize though that "X years of unix" only works if it rolls over into the 90s. otherwise it's an irrelevant factoid
phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness
phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 19:34 asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715850 << i stopped doing even those. i've had a couple of months of lulzy 5 minute litmus tests that resulted in 100% failure rate, which made me think that perhaps the whole "teach everyone!1 to program" basically means that s/n has finally approached 0.
asciilifeform: and finally, bonus 'bill of attainder' - 'Section 614 requires the Secretary of State, in executing the advance notification requirements of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017, to ensure the Russian Federation provides two business days of advance notice to the Secretary prior to Russian diplomatic or consular travel...'
asciilifeform: also didjaknow, 'Section 609 requires the DNI, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of FBI, the Director of CIA, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Treasury, to develop a whole-of-government strategy for countering Russian cyber threats against United States electoral systems and processes'
asciilifeform: ( translation from usg limba de lemn : 'there will now be concrete penalties for exposing dnc diddling of elections' )
asciilifeform: election officials and their designees who possess the aforementioned security clearances.'
asciilifeform: other lulz include 'Section 402 requires the DNI, within 30 days of enactment, to sponsor a security clearance for each eligible chief election official of a State, territory, or the District of Columbia (and up to one eligible designee), up to the top secret level. Section 402 also requires the DNI to share appropriate classified information-related threats to election systems and to the integrity of the election process with chief
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JHUvM/?raw=true << in other lulz. i'll skip to the money shot: 'It is the sense of Congress that WikiLeaks and the senior leadership of WikiLeaks resemble a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors and should be treated as such a service by the United States.'
asciilifeform: ( put whatever in d00d's hands, say snipped of x86 asm, or the like, and watch if eyes/hands light up in obviously correct motions, or if cow stare )
asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
ben_vulpes: and in other things american hospitals are willing to charge a tidy hundo to use a single item of: http://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-Rapid-Diagnostic-Test-Kit-Medi-Lab-Performance-Strep-A-CLIA-Waived-2-/122676899273?hash=item1c901cedc9:g:DzcAAOSw9ENZpvbV
asciilifeform: srsly , thing makes NO active effort to snarf new blox, other than at boot time
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'mouth open' is exact description of the block pull mechanism
ben_vulpes: mouth now open, waiting for them to pour in; found a non sybil i guess.
asciilifeform: nsa had to swap tapes on the splice, wat
asciilifeform: there was goat or somesuch
mircea_popescu: or w/e, there's a by now lengthy comet tails' worth of idiots who WERE NOT CONSULTED.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the claim is supposed to be. prolly grubles dicking about.
trinque: even teh pantsuit law reads: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 17:22 trinque: has the forum yet digested a calitard?
asciilifeform: otherwise it'd look moar like 'hi i am magicaltux and i demand that you unnegrate me at once!'
ben_vulpes: did not even bother to specify which information?
BingoBoingo: lol @ motto of the day!
trinque: lol? so how am I to know "my" then?
ben_vulpes: g_l will protest the claim
trinque: has the forum yet digested a calitard?
asciilifeform: ftware here was itself financed by the U.S. government: millions of dollars a year flowing to crypto radicals from the Pentagon, the State Department, and organizations spun off from the CIA.'
asciilifeform: in other trilema-plagiarism arts , https://archive.is/M7Mse << '...many of these self-styled online radicals were actually military contractors, drawing salaries with benefits from the very same U.S. national security state they claimed to be fighting. Their spunky crypto-tech also turned out, on closer inspection, to be a jury-rigged and porous Potemkin Village version of secure digital communications. What’s more, the relevant so
BingoBoingo: The mine where I found out https://www.alternet.org/culture/why-south-park-perfectly-armed-fight-alt-right
BingoBoingo: And a laff:"On Sunday night, as police officers marched downtown, a Post-Dispatch photographer heard them chant a refrain most often heard at Ferguson protests: Whose streets? Our streets."
BingoBoingo: In other, more recent ripped from the headlines: "Woman complains Hobby Lobbys raw cotton decor is racially insensitive "
trinque gonna go park brain for the night
trinque: you're gonna get the occasional wood roach flying through the room, but then the girl screams and free comedy
BingoBoingo: But sometimes you wanna grow a tomato and there's a fucker growing corn within 85 miles which puts you within a day's flight of stinkbug horde
trinque: not like I don't spray a perimeter around my home, but other than that, if there's nothing to eat, there's nothing to eat
BingoBoingo: The remaininder is unrestrained chemical warfare with organophosphate nerve agents on known problems.
BingoBoingo: Another 9% is in critters you keep.
trinque: lots of them here too, cute little bastards
mircea_popescu: i do have a lot of geckos, but tbh they're great.
mircea_popescu: trinque the blessings of the plains folk. up here, there's no flies, no roaches, no nothing.
trinque: and hell I'll keep a spider around too if it's not bothering me
trinque has a cat for murdering those, roaches, w/e crawls and therefore mustest die.
asciilifeform: rats will clean invalid, infant, other immobile meat, like pirannha.
BingoBoingo: Hey, when's the last time you've seen deer attack adult human out of hunger? Mouse WILL!!!
trinque: or folks could put away their food, even.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Chicom repellent chalk by comparison is peak sanity
asciilifeform: there's no limit to whom or what the cornfed 'civilization' is willing to poison, to keep the nonsense going for another day
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but not a bigger rat than the fucking corn eaters. << raccoons are corn eaters!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually. << Aha, like their namesake. For people interacting with them occasionally "entertaining", in constant contact universally nuissance
asciilifeform: but not a bigger rat than the fucking corn eaters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because sarin, like malathion and vx has a repellent effect for the lucky to get a whiff from sufficient distance
mircea_popescu: well, racoons are a very successful sort of rat. as a result, they don't have any friends among the people they interact with on any kind of regular basis. kinda like pigeons, actually.
BingoBoingo: y other non-target species."
BingoBoingo: Actual field research shows consumers read no pesticide labels whatsoever and just look for aeresol cans, then cycle cans until one has desired effect: "EPA officials say no such testing occurred, but are confident that people will read the new labels as intended. The agency notes that text below the symbol reads it is illegal to use this product with the intention to kill raccoons, skunks, opossums, coyotes, wolves, dogs, cats, or an
BingoBoingo: More for the posteriority: "Its indiscriminate, intentional poisoning of wildlife, says Brian Rowe, who recently retired as pesticide section manager at the Michigan Department of Agriculture & Rural Development in Lansing. Some of them die with their face in the pan that theyre licking out of. I mean, it kills them that quick."
BingoBoingo: Compare to 13 years later: "In response, this week Michigan officials are considering new rules to limit the use of the pesticide. If the rules are approved, as expected, Michigan would join a growing number of states and the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in trying to prevent the misuse of methomyl, in part by restricting who can buy it and requiring new warning labels. But some observers fear the labelswhich depict a
BingoBoingo: Spoiler: Chalk contains hella deltamethrin and other pyrethroids making it incredi-safe, US still has no better approved alternative
mircea_popescu: goes great with the bedbugs and syphilis.