asciilifeform: i've been asking for it since we 1st had the thread, lol
asciilifeform: i get this. and would like one of these. but strongly suspect that it is a provably square circle.
mircea_popescu: i don't care that "on average it's 5 trillion but for the value you chose it's two weeks"
asciilifeform: i get this, this isn't the problem. problem is the dismissal of the knowing-the-answer degenerate case
mircea_popescu: trivially the average, weighted or not, will be inside the domain and not the lower bound of the domain.
mircea_popescu: the point of interest for the "max case" is b. the point of interest to us is a. the "average case" is either a+b/2 or else ni * weight i / sum i.
mircea_popescu: consider the work required to reverse it has been calculated for each value, and is in the domain [a, b].
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a function that does hashing over a domain consisting of 2^100 possible distinct values.
asciilifeform: demonstrate the distinction ?
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing that nonsense. we're discussing the actual blind case.
asciilifeform: the concept of 'minimal case for someone who doesn't know the key' is not meaningfully distinct from 'average case'
asciilifeform: i.e. having the key
asciilifeform: oh ffs why we gotta have same thread twice. minimal case is ALWAYS O(1) , it consists of... knowing the answer ahead of time
mircea_popescu: average case has no value for this later branch ; has some limited value for the former branch, to see how "eccentric" the upper bound is.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 15:09 asciilifeform: the fundamental boojum preventing anything like a rationally designed blockcipher-hash-prng , is that we do not actually have a theory of average-case problem hardness.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718015 << minimum case. the average case is of relatively little interest here. what interests is hardest case, to design solutions for problems (what is currently 100% of all theoretic work done), and minimum case, to guarantee hardness, which is 0% of work done and 100% of republican interest.
asciilifeform: not so : bbp-like construction makes for inexpensive ~rewind~ when walking the digits, whereas hashes at least try to make it painful
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 15:00 asciilifeform: ( and it is entirely conceivable that some variation on the theme of bbp's function will give you a fast search for 'where in pi might this fuzzy match be' and the like )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718014 << this conceivable is of the same nature of conception as "wilkes proved there's no elliptic curves without modular forms, therefore we can use ecc instead of rsa"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 14:53 asciilifeform: 'Given the “stark difference between the abnormal rate and the actual market prices of bitcoin and ethereum on April 19”, B2C2, which Quoine called a “sophisticated” investor with experience trading virtual currencies, should have suspected the “abnormal rate” was a mistake. '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1718006 << pretty lulzy. "sophisticated" has become this actual legal term in the us, meaning approximately "here's what obligations we arbitrarily foist on the other party for our own self serving reasons"
ben_vulpes: what are these mysterycrates, asciilifeform ?!
BingoBoingo: "That's exactly the problem. Yesterday I ate a most delicious desert out of my slavegirl's own ass, directly. This dream of many previous sultans and whatnots that nevertheless couldn't ever be fulfilled effortlessly came through, for me. I didn't even much care for it either way," << TMSR problems
cruciform: ben_vulpes: thanks for the links
trinque: k, I guess that was the last one
trinque: well, if you're going to go to this trouble, consider a few other things.
trinque: there's no automatic way to change your key. sign a full export of a new public key with an old one and I'll make the change.
cruciform: so, the logs suggest that my 2048bit RSA key is too short - how do I register a longer one with deedbot?
asciilifeform: which is why i favour using rsa in place of blockcipher-hash-prng, painfully. the actual averagecase hardness of rsa is unknown and will probably remain unknown. but at least when you use ~solely~ rsa, you avoid introducing ANOTHER unknown.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 18:33 mircea_popescu: the way this conversation is going, we can't have children us two until we get the baby room properly furnished and the safest crypto op is one that never finishes.
asciilifeform: and, though it may pattern-match http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699167 -- it's still tru. and you can take it to the bank.
asciilifeform: any attempt at proceeding in the absence of said theory, is guaranteed to give you a 'it seemed clever and unbreakable to ME!' idiocy, a la aes et al.
asciilifeform: the fundamental boojum preventing anything like a rationally designed blockcipher-hash-prng , is that we do not actually have a theory of average-case problem hardness.
asciilifeform: ( and it is entirely conceivable that some variation on the theme of bbp's function will give you a fast search for 'where in pi might this fuzzy match be' and the like )
asciilifeform: indices into pi, e, sqrt(2), whichever, are just the same obscurantist voodoo as any other approach.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 09:39 mircea_popescu: not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:28 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
asciilifeform: get this, 'they should have known' that it was a usg wash trade to pump ethertadrium price, and simply sat there, not, horror, matching it
asciilifeform: 'Given the “stark difference between the abnormal rate and the actual market prices of bitcoin and ethereum on April 19”, B2C2, which Quoine called a “sophisticated” investor with experience trading virtual currencies, should have suspected the “abnormal rate” was a mistake. '
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 20:31 mircea_popescu: "your honor, i'm smarter than the inca, natch" ?
asciilifeform: usg.ethertardium pumpatron subcontractor caught red-handed by a sharp http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717884 , and tries to weasel out, 'unhappen' the resulting rape.
asciilifeform: 'It said the glitch arose because it was reconfiguring passwords for its critical systems to fend off persistent attempts by hackers to break into its systems.'
asciilifeform: 'Quoine in turn claims that B2C2 is “being opportunistic and seeking to profit from a technical glitch” It said the trades were “inadvertently” executed at the “abnormal rate of... 10 bitcoins for one ethereum, which was approximately 125 times higher than the actual market price of ethereum on April 19” because of a technical glitch.'
asciilifeform: y trades with huge mark-up over fair global market price”, the suit said.'
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/ImVWv >> 'An electronic market maker is suing Quoine, one of the world’s major bitcoin exchange operators, over trades that were allegedly wrongfully reversed... series of trades on April 19, resulting in B2C2 paying 309.2518 ethereum for 3092.517116 bitcoin.... But the next day, the trades were reversed by Quoine... Quoine told B2C2 that it was entitled to do so because the trades were “mostl
mircea_popescu: not necessarily the specific example. but yes, symmetric cipher always reduces to a "parametrized otp".
BingoBoingo: I'd suspect etherhufferium, Chicoms seem to have more juice to throw at crash
mircea_popescu: so which hits 0.05 first, ethereum or crash ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-28 04:45 ben_vulpes: > Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-28#1717973 << bwhaha! dja know this was NOT actually true for the soviets at any point ?
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9009 << Lafond entangled in the legal system JURY DUTY: "I actually told the judge and attorneys about hacking a dude up with a sword and getting off and they selected me as the seventh pick."
ben_vulpes: i think they *were* i mean
ben_vulpes: while i am definitely guilty of eking a half-decade out of a lathe with judicious application of idle six-axis arms found elsewhere in the facility, i don't think even the screw machine squad's hardware was mostly within expected lifespans.
ben_vulpes: > Similarly, a Navy analysis shows that the average age of shipyard capital equipment now exceeds its expected useful life.
ben_vulpes: > Roy Moore was further endorsed by President Trump announced his intention to enthusiastically campaign for Moore in the event Moore came out on top in the runoff. << there is something missing in this sentence, between President Trump and announced, i think.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ? << http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/27/trump-teaches-gop-senators-importance-of-selling-by-example-learns-limits-of-his-brand/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The blog post on that is baking.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, why is the idea WH was supporting strange ? didn't like, trump beleete his support tweets and errythang ?
mircea_popescu: "there is no answer we can think of besides the one we don't want to!" and other http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
BingoBoingo: In today's WAPO wank of the day: "There is no single, definitive answer to how Roy Moore, American politics closest approximation of a theocrat whos twice been removed from the state Supreme Court for disobeying orders, was able to beat the twin political machines of the White House and the Senate leadership in his comfortable defeat of Sen. Luther Strange."
BingoBoingo: le sigh, there goes dream of coffee shop next to datacenter being staffed by black people in white suits all county club style
mircea_popescu: apparently stretchtertained is not a word, as far as the alphabet ai knows. but evidently http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/
mircea_popescu: if they can keep 'em up.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says za is an unterraformable pesthole, then it is.
mircea_popescu: which is my fucking point here. south africa is not off the list of shitholes just because it's where white cucks go to have their wives strechtertained
mircea_popescu: technically australia is also "not in nato" or whatever the fuck.\
asciilifeform: theoretically some part of it -- may be
asciilifeform: also i have nfi whether the item that remained after the rape, is still squirming or not.
mircea_popescu: their fucking motto is "unity in diversity" ffs.
asciilifeform: but it meets some of the technical litmuses.
asciilifeform: i dunno that it belongs on the we-want list
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do we want what's left after rhodesia's rape for any purpose ?
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/ << There it is
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I did not specify south africa. If I recall davout was off the gold coast
asciilifeform: then we definitely, afaik, have nobody in za
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It was the fluffypony monero guy, he's introduced in a Trilema. 2013-ish if I remember
mircea_popescu encourages the editor in chief.
BingoBoingo: davout: I'm wondering if an progress was made finding Francophone datacenters outside France, preferaby in the heart of the dark continent
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform pictures davout as having the same job as the bear in old american cartoon 'tail spin', and so he dun have net access often from the old flyin'boat << AHA, you do remember Disney other than jaundiced pooh
mircea_popescu thanks asciilifeform, the premise turned out to be extremely fertile!
asciilifeform: ( who recalls the thread in - iirc - '14, where mircea_popescu described how a chum of his came to usa, and tried to build a nonburning house, and Had Problems, went home in the end )
mircea_popescu: tis the ourdemocracy fantasy.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure hruschev had his passport stamped when entering us, like any other schmuck.
mircea_popescu: and yes "that's not what i wanted to hear", but the fucking problem with going "lalalaican'thearyou" for 50 years is that when you finally quit it and listen it'll sound exactly like "too late, mr shcmucktard"
asciilifeform: the heuristic is pretty simple -- d00d lives in plebelands, in cardboard house, works cardboard job, etc. and suddenly his bank balance grows a coupla decimal places ? bell rings.
mircea_popescu: so notrly. only thing left for him is to joestack before they ^
asciilifeform: 1 possibly interesting observation is that if the d00d had a btctronic means of capitalizing on his 'insiderism', he might still walk the big zone, unmolested
mircea_popescu: and that's just the letter A!
mircea_popescu: was stolen from netherlands and taken to london was it ? something like that.
asciilifeform: the rembrandt case took place, ftr, in ro
mircea_popescu: everywhere in the world, this thing of yours, is yours, and the court may inquire after it. in the us, like in all slave empires, this thing of the court, you, MAYBE, may beg for.
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i'm smarter than the inca, natch" ?
mircea_popescu: just so all knowledge is also presumed in the crown, and you knowing something "you shouldn't have" simply means you spied. what else could it mean ?
mircea_popescu: but much like all property is presumed of the crown, with random sefs such as yourself merely in tenous tenancy (known as precaria, historically), which is why you can have things such as "cases in rem", because the court admits no ownership vested IN PERSONS
mircea_popescu: the "subtle" view being that this discourages gambling which is a societal good.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: campaign against knowing anything about how the world works will continue until the risk free rate is negative
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717844 << you misunderstand ; the way sec works in these "insider trading" cases is very much EXACTLY alf's "peasant with rembrands go to jail". the man's crime is that he made money. simply and purely that, it is ASSUMED that he couldn't have known, on the strength of being a nobody. that's it.
asciilifeform: eh i'd give fiddybux for it. of lunch money. just so that the next day ALL the winblows exes will format c:
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 13:59 jurov: just my crazy idea: what about s.nsa buying it out, with all the data?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717815 << why, so they can use the money to continue trying to prop usg in some fashion ? fuck them. should have long ago came to kneel and submit here.
mircea_popescu: i suspect you know the original.
mircea_popescu: there is in fact no one to notice.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717813 << i doubt anyone'd notice if facebook was down for two weeks, either. at this point, 100% of the fiat "traffic" is simply bots. they will happily http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/ until the end of times.
asciilifeform pictures davout as having the same job as the bear in old american cartoon 'tail spin', and so he dun have net access often from the old flyin'boat
asciilifeform: ( the other half of $idea, was that shitbox oughta be convertible to 'godly' os+env, mechanically, kvmlessly, (again with 0 notice to human on isp end), and without retaining 1 single byte of what was on the box when they gave you login )
mircea_popescu: if only anyone in the fiat world were this acute.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was, to automate, make it wholly mechanical part of moving shitbox providers on arbitrarily short notice (i.e. 0 notice to the one who's being ditched until ~after~ you've moved the contents)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717776 << not that hard to nuke a box, all of them do reinstalls and shit
asciilifeform: and presumably whole affair didn't last long enough to connect the hose and form arsemouthsystem
ben_vulpes: perhaps 50k is the most one can hope to make on a short term 100% leveraged play in the states; i've no idea what his relationship with the brokerage was like but he *had* to have had a margin account, it would be an offense to the oldladyempire if someone didn't
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
asciilifeform: though quite the unsurprise, only goldmansachs et al can make legal profit in usaschwitz
asciilifeform: 'In a complaint filed in Manhattan federal court, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said Todd David Alpert made $43,873 of illegal profit after learning of the proposed Heinz takeover while working as a dispatcher for the director, who sat on Heinz’s board for several years.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: in other lulz from same rag, https://www.rt.com/news/404638-russia-kalashnikov-flying-car
ben_vulpes: campaign against knowing anything about how the world works will continue until the risk free rate is negative
asciilifeform: 'Emails to and from Deloitte’s 244,000 staff were stored in the Azure cloud service, which was provided by Microsoft. '
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 05:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the soviet term for the "moment of realisation" that sovietism is actually a lie ? i forget
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717787 << there was not a specific name for this afaik
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/k7sr8 >> '...106,000 foreigners suspected of being involved in terrorism and other crimes... The number of foreigners targeted under Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act rose from 94,000 in fiscal year 2015...'
shinohai: "We have the latest ROT13 reverse-encryption enabled on all accounts and have no idea how this could happen"
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of the winblowz exes )
asciilifeform: jurov: recall when they were caught red handed infecting tarballs ?
asciilifeform: and the integrity of anything stored in shitforge is highly dubious
jurov: just my crazy idea: what about s.nsa buying it out, with all the data?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell davout_ Still alive or did the neighbors eat you?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell davout Still alive or did the neighbors eat you?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: and hey, why don't you script a qntra deploy and blast it on a new VPS every other week? << A few reasons: 1. I r idiot, 2. Database updating constantly which means need box and not VPS rapehole, 3. This points to Republican ISP needed or no nice things
trinque hits the hay
trinque: rough approximation of the hypertext dht thing I'm going to conjure, really.
trinque: isn't like the thing has a phuctor-sized database to haul around
trinque: BingoBoingo: and hey, why don't you script a qntra deploy and blast it on a new VPS every other week?
trinque: mircea_popescu: incompetence or malice, what the fuck is this 6am to 9am as a service window shit?
trinque: this is why logbot was written such that services don't have to live anywhere near the server providing the IRC connection.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was the soviet term for the "moment of realisation" that sovietism is actually a lie ? i forget
asciilifeform: these are 2 basic ways to 'reincarnate' on remote box.
asciilifeform: jump into ring0, let nic fill ~ram~ as described above for disk, then jump into ~that~
asciilifeform: when trigger is pulled, the sole possible operation of th cpu becomes : listening to nic for a sequence of (signed...) blocks, to fill hdd with, from lba 0 to N.
asciilifeform: they expect swap, and /tmp, and /var, and fuck knows what else
asciilifeform: you'd be surprised how many heathen linuxen this would crash
trinque: swapoff all the swaps too
trinque: and then bzcat > /dev/sda
asciilifeform: process prolly would have to begin by copying over a little c proggy, compiling, then insmod'ing it ( so to stop multitaskism and disk fandango on victim end )
trinque: pretty cool. the guy wrote over here does same with remote shell.
asciilifeform: it's a thingie that 'mounts' a wholly uncooperative, other than login, remote fs, using nothing more than perl on other end, via standard ssh ( not sftp )
mircea_popescu: how was the original without crypto lol
mircea_popescu: want it or not want it, it's what you're getting in the end.
mircea_popescu: seems to be slowly going there.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 02:42 trinque: got great deploy scripts for these things, don't need anything but an ssh hole to fire them at
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717726 << this reminded me of an ancient crackpotteriferous idea of mine: diskless, welded-shut box that boots into minimal sshiferous thing, privkey in boobytrapped sram etc. you fill it up remotely with os etc. and thereafter if power cut.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that aside, by comparing my description to his you can readily see a summary of all the inept idiocy that bothered me in the original.
asciilifeform: i like the twist end.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 01:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and other interested parties : http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/
asciilifeform: 'we gotta change the fire extinguisher, box will be out for 3h'
trinque: got great deploy scripts for these things, don't need anything but an ssh hole to fire them at
trinque: I operate under the assumption that I'm going to lose every box that isn't in my house, and probably also those
mircea_popescu: trinque you know a three hour knockout in order to check the fuse box is somewhat suspicious in a dc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and other interested parties : http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/
trinque: attention all : there'll be electrical maintenance on the DC which houses deedbot tomorrow from 6AM to 9AM. deedbot itself will be up, and operating elsewhere starting this evening until after the end of the maintenance. deeds, other side services (RSS), and my node shall be offline starting at 5AM tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: And a confirmation for the Republic pt. 2: "The remaining 1% becomes sequestered in body fat. This portion is eliminated slowly, with a half-life of 18 days for the cis-isomer and 3.4 days for the trans-isomer (2, 4). "
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull. << Is it pov of contemporary bull if you haven't lost count of prostate shocks delivered by farmer for the sake of knocking up distant dairy with veal
asciilifeform: granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull.
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in there
asciilifeform: though there was a much older thread where we considered how even clipping coupons could be a win, of sorts, because there is not 'applying' and there is no schedule or boss
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I follow the part re make your own hands - thing there is that there IS gain in that expenditure of time; and that gain is arguably more than the 15 bucks; however, I don't follow how does that lead to "makes sense just as much to collect coupons /whatevs "
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/26/google-trying-to-bill-service-cancelled-5-years-ago/ << Bingo Blog - Google Trying To Bill Service Cancelled 5 Years Ago
mircea_popescu: i wish the record to permanently reflect that alison is a stupid fucking name.
asciilifeform: this however is an argument in favour of handcrafting yer own equip, rather than for 'clipping coupons' , imho.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform still has ( and until recently, used! ) the rom writer, bench powersupply, etc. he made in early 2000s.
asciilifeform: folx whose time ain't liquid ( which is most everybody in 'saecular world', incl. present-day asciilifeform , he could not smoothly double his pay by halving his spare time for one particular day and then not the next ) often do this sort of thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 14:16 diana_coman: what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717535 << i'd like to revisit this item, because it actually makes sense to me : when asciilifeform was a student, he happily spent hundreds of hrs to make own lab equipment that was worth maybe a dozen 'min wage' hrs, theoretically -- because it was a more interesting way to spend the time than some min wage gulag would've been
mircea_popescu: the "allison argument" is not even fucking terrible.
cruciform: yea - I expect I'll be throwing a few bitcents as a gratuity to the designers once I've grokked how useful it is
BingoBoingo: <cruciform> man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because? << Well if $20 is new from vendor and $10 is with 200,000 miles of farts in the seats
mircea_popescu: what is with these people.
mircea_popescu: come along and prove, say . . . Fermat's Last Theorem.
mircea_popescu: I mean, fifteen billion years after the Big Bang, someone can still
asciilifeform: last thread, going by the date of the warez txt on my hd, was some time around feb 4 2014.
asciilifeform: this here is the one where d00d breaks arithmetic.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "there is no antidote. but the toxin won't kill you, it'll just turn you into a bimbo!"
asciilifeform: but last time mircea_popescu barfed over some other plot knob
mircea_popescu: would, for the next twelve hours. Goodbye."
mircea_popescu: I turned to the burglar. "There is no antidote. But the toxin won't kill you. You'll just wish it
trinque has the dead tree sitting nearby, good stuff
mircea_popescu: but i suppose the IMPLICATIONS WERENT MADE CLEAR hurr durr. pshaw.
mircea_popescu: you all know this, right ? the ONLY reason github is there is so that it will later redirect your links and try and make a penny.
mircea_popescu: www.scribd.com/doc/86728044/Greg-Egan-Luminous redirects to some bulslhit advertising. because that's why they EVEN DO this.
mircea_popescu: like that one with the "visual prion", except written by someone who understands the science involved.
cruciform: the WoT hasn't failed me yet
mircea_popescu: this'd be an important theoretical point, incidentally, showing domain exception. tis not currently known.
cruciform: fwiw, I don't know that the WoT applies to nubiles
mircea_popescu: yes, but proxying "girls whose tits i enjoy" into "life partner" is how people harvest the bitter fruit.
cruciform: I was hoping somone in the WoT would have already done that
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. if you don't write, you have to read, such as the thing you linked.
asciilifeform: ( and with respect to this, the pretense imho oughta be dispensed with. run it all in ring0, get 10-20% speed boost 'for phree' etc )
mircea_popescu: moreover, if anyone today depends on their linux not being vulnerable to LPE, they're ducked in the ducking heaf!
mircea_popescu: you can't turn terse explanations of the problem into lengthy discussions of implications taylored for idiots, what is this, black chix coding now ?
mircea_popescu: red hat OPTED to be shitheads. like koch usually does.
mircea_popescu: the description is plain and was published two years ago. davidson fixed, torvalds commited within an hour. their job is done.
asciilifeform: ( pro tip: when you patch and dun say why, there is a staff of 15,000+ people who do nuffin but to see exactly why )
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did he sit on goods ?
asciilifeform: 'Linux distributions that have not patched their long-term kernels with https://git.kernel.org/linus/a87938b2e246b81b4fb713edb371a9fa3c5c3c86 (committed on April 14, 2015) are vulnerable...'
asciilifeform: consider reading the link ?
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible'
mircea_popescu: and in other alternative lifestyles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/24a2ec4935b32b3fbb2b3a25655c71e2/tumblr_oux04gq5vK1raeoe0o1_500.gif
asciilifeform: thing gets moar barfy by the minute, even by decade-ago standards
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usa google front pg today features 'culture scholar Gloria E. Anzaldúa, The Mexican-American cultural theorist who identified invisible "borders" in society...'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i might consider asking if there's any cheaper than fiddy bux floating around
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there was no question re being legitimate
mircea_popescu: in any case the amd cpu i bought was underpriced both at list price and at 2nd hand price. cuz i sure as fuck ain'\t making one in my laundry room out of lint and wall shavings for less than a few hundred.
mircea_popescu: as it happens in the case of FG afaik aftermarket is actually more expensive than list price, ie it's more like collected art than used cars, but to find that out you gotta ask, and the question sounds exactly like "any discount rembrandts around ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffinwrong. it was funny because of the refrain of 'but it's underpriced!!1!'
mircea_popescu: legitimate question. you all look on amazon. there's such a thing as a car aftermarket. what of it.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 14:11 diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717520 << i dunno you two, seems basic market research. "so item x exists, shipped by manufacturer, costs x. are there cheaper units out there ?"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/teenagers-are-a-pain-in-the-ass/ << Trilema - Teenagers are a pain in the ass
jhvh1: cruciform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: saying something can't be economically engaged in is a derivate of wovon, it's like babbage saying the problem of corectness can't be approached by mechanical means.
mircea_popescu: what stupidities the courts engage in isn't germane ; nor is anything else. it's not a social matter.
mircea_popescu: and re the other thing, nevermind the practicals. the point was that it isn't an economic activity.