asciilifeform: dunno that they need any such thing as 'savings to plunder' -- just printolade
mircea_popescu: problem is -- nobody in current generation has what to retire on. so im guessing dimon will get a job to pay for their 401ks or w/e they need.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and while the bonuses can still be financed out of idiot retirees nesteggs, will continue to idem shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the latest "rape on campus" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/48c5eb9b8e0f832f386e1d3c97de3f66/tumblr_ncubnm5p4T1tvhjvso1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: this excursion among the hallucinators has been pretty entertaining.
asciilifeform: ( 2xolade like other forkolade separates from btc, but if not done correctly your btc ends up in /dev/null )
mircea_popescu: buying jpm is a bad strategy about half the time, and bitcoin overperforms dimon by about 1000% EACH SINGLE YEAR
asciilifeform: btw iirc coinbase is on the list of derps who explicitly promised to pass off 2xolade ( next 'cash' ) as 'btc'
mircea_popescu: "Will bitcoin ever be a safe investment or always a gamble? - The boss of JP Morgan was unequivocal about bitcoin at a recent conference in New York: the digital currency was only fit for drug dealers"
mircea_popescu: but there's so much more!
mod6: but i see what you mean. sorry for the interleaving Mr. P.
mircea_popescu: "Coinbase and the Power of Bitcoin Exchanges - Many fondly remember their first Bitcoin transaction. It likely took place on Coinbase, one of the first exchanges to serve the Western marketplace" in continuing lulz.
mod6: asciilifeform: ahh. thanks for saving me the time -- i was doing some mental gymnastics on that.
mircea_popescu: what they were trying to say was that they... lost... again. the little bch for btc tit for tat left btc in tatters and their dwindling supply of btc ever thinner.
mircea_popescu: lol what, the pinoy did it ?
asciilifeform: ( and presumably the 100k ? )
asciilifeform: and supposedly usg has already kidnapped the chix
mircea_popescu: or else the please god, something, anything.
mircea_popescu: or else the valium
asciilifeform: as if d00d with 100k in the bank ( per the most recent link, he wired it to some pinoy chick ) couldn't get a proper kalash wherever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've switched back to the 2010 tack of 'it's because he too easily found a spring to attach to his stock' etc
mircea_popescu: or don't i understand "how the world works"
mircea_popescu: and so to the "curious" pretending they "have no proof" as to why and wherefore trilema is more widely read than the entire pantsuit media edifice, washpo, nytimes to the last campus libel piece TOGETHER : consider that there exists exactly one venue in the world that explains, and has been explaining that why during this interval.
mircea_popescu: apparently they do understand why, now.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 14:30 mircea_popescu: dood had 37% the kill efficiency and 167% the wound efficiency of the wtc folks.
mircea_popescu: momentarily back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721672 discussion, i must say i'm reasonably impressed that ~none of the "public discourse" in jew/faux media includes the "nobody can understand WHY"/"such INCOMPREHENSIBLE" mandatory verbiage of five years ago.
asciilifeform: mod6: you will notice that the barrett in 'crc handbook' is more complicated : it shrinks the x and then compensates later. this relies on normalization , and constanttimeized incarnation of it would have to work as apeloyee described ( i'ma try it much later, once i see what can be had re speed strictly from having asymmetric karatsuba instead of the current mega-waste )
asciilifeform: ( where qw held each word of dividend, in turn, but now we put quotient bits there )
asciilifeform: it was made from the modulus finder from the prev ffa post ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAZki/?raw=true )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 22:38 mod6: glad to hear the progress. (im still reviewing barrett in Handbook of Applied Cryptpgraphy 14.3.3 & 14.3.4)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1722033 << lemme know mod6 if there's any part that dun immediately make sense. FZ_Make_Barrettoid looks complicated but really is identical to the optimized knuth divider, with the difference that the dividend consists of all 1s and known ahead of time, so we don't shift it
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 02:57 PeterL: by the way, I stuffed the keccak ada stuff (and, speaking of OAEP, here is one of those too) into https://github.com/PeterMLambert/keccak since I don't have my own server up yet
asciilifeform: iirc somebody here sewed one together
mircea_popescu: seems a good indication of merit, that they've put the effort into persuading the original poltroons into hiding it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as it happens i actually want to rescue the (classic) keccak implementation from the obvious nist-driven oblivion.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:28 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc we did the proof of 'if there is a good hash, there is a good blockcipher, and vice-versa'
mircea_popescu: and in other whorship, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cbfe8d81e3ee962c00345cc3bbb061b2/tumblr_nmi80vzvcJ1tioe3xo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the categorical alternative (literally what gpg does now) fell on the grounds of "at least we don't need aes" ; the obvious "cut R into bits and use each" seems to my eye weaker, tho who even knows.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the knob.
mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
shinohai: http://exnet.narod.ru/USA/medals/Army-Comm-Award-Civ-Serv.jpg <<< For service above and beyond the call of newfaggotry, we award you this triforce.
mod6: glad to hear the progress. (im still reviewing barrett in Handbook of Applied Cryptpgraphy 14.3.3 & 14.3.4)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results << spent the afternoon looking through your changes posted today vs. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721
mircea_popescu: hang on, ima actually publish the discussion fragment.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721985 << nah, on the current prototype, variable-reuse otps.
mircea_popescu: given up on the whole dao nonsense, have they ? why are they still here, why the gun still unfired in their lap, why the brahms not playing ?
mircea_popescu: "In case you did, i hope this will be a lesson to you. Stop trading obscure tokens/coins!" << if THIS is "the lesson", then one wonders wtf is supposed to be the "ethereum value proposition" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact, whole reason i'm even willing to do w/o email is that there exists this alternative thaty's so much better.
asciilifeform: interestingly enough, me neither.
mircea_popescu: this is likely. but not yet the case.
asciilifeform: ability to eat pgpgrams from randos without drowning will be remembered one day the way we remember today how email once worked.
asciilifeform: and in other scenarios you are in orbit. but that dun mean that pgp is 'for orbit'
asciilifeform: yer trying to not be spoofed, rather than hide under a rock.
mircea_popescu: asym key is specifically for this usecase. you--well known publisher ; me -- secret identity with the goods. i can safely send them to you.
diana_coman: I get that, yes; it's anyway more than there currently is available otherwise; and not insignificantly more at that
asciilifeform: all i got is a guarantee that the arithmetic happens as specified, every time, using a number of cycles known in advance.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eulora needs a client-server communication protocol that at least allows client to decide for self the compromise between cost and some degree of confidentiality+integrity for the info it exchanges
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform makes a general-purpose numbertheoretical item, broader than 'here is modexp' )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I thought you were aiming for "what-we-want" rather than merely "usable-for-lack-of-what-we-actually-want"
asciilifeform: incidentally ~95% of the work ffa does in modexp, now, is multiplication. which means that there is further 20-25% speedup waiting to be had when i get bernsteinian optimization for karatsuba ( haven't yet figured it out, he buried it deep in a paper , as if he were an alchemist, quite cryptically ) and another 10-20% optimization if we move to unrolled comba ( see august thread. )
asciilifeform: so right now every 8192b mod 4096b op ( of which 4096b modexp has 4096*2==8192 ) costs 2 8192b*8192b -> 16384 mul's and a few subs. which still beats the living shit out of knuthian div.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention did not yet even try to use apeloyee's secret-normalization method : instead we use a completely unshifted dividend , and cut it in the end)
asciilifeform: mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results
asciilifeform: trinque you can replicate this now, just replace your modexp with the one seen here.
asciilifeform: 2.02sec per 4096b^4096b mod 4096b on the goldstandardopteron.
BingoBoingo: Well, keep it somewhere visible and eventually something will strike the fancy.
BingoBoingo does not know what other purpose free exotic wood from tree execution could serve other than production of curio or knickknack to celebrate the fortunate happenstance
asciilifeform: ( barrett with 8192b barretoids, i.e. 16384bit mult via ordinary symmetric karatsuba with simple brutal slice , rather than apeloyee's shift )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:43 asciilifeform: ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
asciilifeform: in vehehehehery other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719744 >>> the 16s is now 2s, and with room for obvious 8x speedup further on
mircea_popescu: and in other random dribbles : i was going by teh sabana park (huge park here), noticed they had cut down some rainbow eucaliptus trees. so i had car stopped and... got a chunk for the trunk.
BingoBoingo: Allowing a tort against the car with such a massive and sclerotic mitigating circumstance is insanity.
mircea_popescu: aaand today in "just give me the justices" social-thing news, https://www.fundedjustice.com/a1Hvve
BingoBoingo: In other ???, Heather Heyer, the fat Charlottesville "victim" apparently died of a heart attack and not Dodge Challenger induced injuries http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "for the end user, ux is not a part of your product -- ux IS THE PRODUCT!!" lulz, https://thehackernews.com/2017/10/macos-high-sierra-apfs-password.html
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the projects, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b6293de5953f1604865fbe4a78517c72/tumblr_nq3c9lXYJe1r2sy0fo1_540.gif
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why we may end up with 25 racks per lord and half the lords running ISPs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if there existed a sane crowned head we would probably never have this thread to begin with
mircea_popescu: i think they eat up almost a gb of trilema
phf`: mircea_popescu: if you're implying that my plan for colo was to ~hire~ people ~from~ colocation facility to do a sensitive operation like hard drive replacement, then i can't even! :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol because i totally need 1gbps to talk to the rest of the pinoys or w/e"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
mircea_popescu: i don't expect overnighting is the point. what's the point is that there's little difference between a colo you email to and run of the mill "dedicated servers" hosting.
mircea_popescu: phf` well, strawman came from trying to discuss a rather unconstrained by actual data universe of possibilities.
phf`: i've no idea where that straw man came from. shipping things from u.s. to russia is tricky, but everything else is inherent in the problem. a ~colo~ in russia only makes sense if i also can somehow facilitate trusted upkeep. whether or not we can overnight a hard drive isn't going to make a difference in that case
mircea_popescu: if i wanted that i could have it for the same coupla hundy or w/e. heck, apparently they'd even do it for free if we don't make fun of them for it.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, this "your raid needs new hdds hurr" thing is not flying. i don't need to "hire" a "colo" for them to re-do the whole cherryservers bs for me, now do i.
mircea_popescu: but yes, sure, my ideal world would be for you to live there and assemble them yourself, and go to colo and install self, and document whole thing on your blog.
mircea_popescu: unless we have a ~trusted~ engineer on the actual ground there, we will be shipping from wherever it is convenient to ship. but items originate with us, not with randos.
mircea_popescu: phf` except we ship boxes, as i understood the design, not for them to stick hands in our parts.
phf`: mircea_popescu: that's understandable. but also we're and what we're shipping. e.g. hard drives can be purchased and replaced on the ground. it's a colo, ~someone~ will have to do a replacement and it's necessarily not going to be the facility
mircea_popescu: but there is a huge difference between intelligent sovereignity and soviet idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, sure, if they have their own state courier they're trying to prop up in this way, more power to them, we'll use it.
mircea_popescu: phf` i am speculating. but there must be a way to get machiens there for it to work.
asciilifeform: if they let in suitcase, problem is solvable
mircea_popescu: and their historical hallucinations of sovereignity etc do promise a lot of idiocy in that vein.
mircea_popescu: if it's "two weeks to find out if you have to wait two weeks more or not" is how everything is done, utterly not worth bothering with.
asciilifeform: poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit
asciilifeform: sounds like the only us-ru courier is now suitcase.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine the country actually works without some kind of such service though. i mean really, how do yo uget a wrench, walk to factory ?
phf`: i suspect there's postal offices, "yandex package" and also some kind of baygun delivery service that can overnight from a chinese factory
phf`: i'll have to look into it, if they were sitting on my porch, i'd send them by freight. i think dhl/fedex have suspended services to russia, to individuals though, i'm not sure what's the deal with corporate.
phf`: are the servers sitting at vendors ready to ship to a destination, also is it going to go proper shipping container or through a consumer service? latter doesn't work reliably in russia and is generally discouraged
mircea_popescu: or rather, that's why normal people don't pick a hill in the midle of the jungle to plop down servers on.
phf`: well, in this case this is equivalent of sitting on the outside pipeline. everything else is a hop away, though the guys i was talking to sit on various short fibers from the facility
mircea_popescu: i definitely want the dc to provide the uplink with w/e guarantee they can manage. i get it, outside of nato 99.999% isn't so common, but whatever they got.
mircea_popescu: eh, fuck the works. lemme quote from minigame boardroom : <dc> aia, am crezut ca na, ai ramas si fara net de la vanturi alea
phf`: the place to be is of course http://www.mmts9.ru they do have 1/2 rack but i haven't tried them, since wasn't sure about our requirements. they can even get you a personal cage. antenna placement on the rooftop so we can put a microwave relay, the works :p
phf`: mircea_popescu: right, that would be the correct spirit :)
mircea_popescu: anyone inclined to go "oh i'd have done a much better job" after any particular doing is going to find himself buried under a thick wall of "why the fuck didn't you DO IT then!".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns. << For some definitions of pounding, perhaps other definitions later
phf`: mircea_popescu: right, i figured paying is not going to be a problem, either directly with btc or in the format that you've described. finding a reliable colo, getting a number down. unfortunately i don't have a good feel for russian colo space yet, and people i talked to while happy with their colos didn't necessarily have tmsr demands.
ben_vulpes: translator also part of the deal.
ben_vulpes: i wrote a "hey tmsr, what would you use a cn embassy for" draft, which you saw, but since then i opened a line of conversation with a meatwot gentleman on the ground in cn who's working with me on finding dcs in chengdu and beijing in which i can lease a rack. "embassy chick" not at the forefront of these discussions because republican state of emergency.
mircea_popescu: phf` anyway, we're getting, imo, the smallest lockable, stand-alone item. whichever that is. in no case less than 4u, except really, we much prefer to discuss by the kw and gb, as seen in the convo earlier.
asciilifeform: absolutely, otherwise asteroid will fall on asciilifeform much faster than expected
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's good. also want more than 1 of these.
mircea_popescu: phf` so the question is very specifically, what do they take, and how do we sort it out ; it's in no case a "let's filter out whoever doesn't take bitcoins"
mircea_popescu: phf` i don't specifically care what they take ; but whatever it is they take, we'll have to figure out a process.
asciilifeform: the alarm rang on sep 14 iirc
phf`: there's a bitcoin craze in russia right now (i.e. talk shows on t.v. discussing bitcoin as investment platform. dorky former FIDO node administrators talking about bitcoin mining on a rig in their apartments, etc.) so i wouldn't be surprised if i can find a colo that takes bitcoins. i haven't noticed one yet though
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 18:18 mircea_popescu: there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...
mircea_popescu: otherwise it quickly devolves into hopeless.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is why you get rack : so you can specify something like 14.4KW and 24 Gbit link and then sort it inside.
asciilifeform: argue with the ampermeter, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: the ruler doesn't lie.
asciilifeform: they're 1u.
asciilifeform: they're here.
mircea_popescu: 300-350 is where teh standard is, what are these.
phf`: not home, and i also didn't have time to process the information in detail yet, but i piped in since there was conversation. depends on what we want, baseline avg 3000 rub/mo $50 to put a 1u rack, with a 100mbit line, 300W. line is typically not metered, but also not guaranteed. then depends on our needs, an unmetered guaranteed 100 mbit line will cost another ~~$100 mo (to 1gbit around ~$500), plus whatever over cap on power usage.
mircea_popescu: heir job" these days...
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 18:10 phf: there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721786 << this, fwiw, isn't even the giveaway it used to be. i personally supervised the release of piles upon piles of posters in us university campuses, for a very modicum costs. people off fiver just print what you give them, and put it up. nothing keeps you from having them print something decent, and with the abundance of "kids who fucked around with adobe illustrator instead of doing t
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 18:42 mircea_popescu: is this something the foundation may maybe consider ? open us an embassy in beijing, hire a chick to sit there 4 hours/day or such ?
mircea_popescu: there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...
mircea_popescu: on the home front : we clearly need a box for phuctor, i will also want a box for eulora ; there's also need for a third box for general purpose bitcoining/qntra/etc. that's three, plus whatever anyone else wants to add. iirc we also got 3 box servers ready to fly out.
phf: there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
asciilifeform: phf: there are goings-on in dc ?!
phf: i've catching up with the going ons in d.c. since i came back, so have a bit of low bandwidth at the moment. should free up in a week or so
phf: i have someone who can handle these requests on my behalf though, for legitimacy
phf: i've not had time to get a corporation going this time around (mostly i need to figure out what the tax structure is going to be), but i'll be going back in a couple of months.
asciilifeform: phf: get quote for the rack.
phf: i've talked to a handful of 1 hop from mmtsm9 collocation facilities in moscows, and they can do 1u or rack. i also have a trusted non-wot who can oversee or handle the installation. if we're doing a rack, and "worse ways to waste money" me can try and go straight for mmtsm9 (which is rostelekom's main internet relay, i.e. local web providers, like telcos etc put their equipment there)
ben_vulpes: heh yeah the sex trafficking thing
asciilifeform: guts the commoncarrier provision of clinton era
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ye olde 1990s 'communications decency act' is back: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1693
jhvh1: asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <phf> asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
asciilifeform: ru & the rest.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma then switch to asking for rack/yr.
mircea_popescu: you know the above ru may well be a case of "we don't deal with weirdos trying to get 1u for 1mo"
mircea_popescu: eh, get out. that's the egg size.
mircea_popescu is not even kidding. ~1.1 liters or so. with ~1 liter being the low-average, in the sense of "average computed after excluding the outlying 10%"
mircea_popescu: in any case, these aren't even that huge.
mircea_popescu: "and why did you bury this car halfway in the mud, mr X ?" "well, gotta produce cars for our own consumption, postmodern free trade world. what can you do."
asciilifeform: they exist, if exist at all, orc-style, 'for me and mine', not for whoever devils.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in abstract geometries and other non-eluciderean spaces, http://68.media.tumblr.com/779edccbb52931b59bf7be8ce9cf0af2/tumblr_nrbao7rYPY1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: all these vast empires of grandiose technological achievements which upon examination fail to actually exist in any meaningful sense.
mircea_popescu: iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns.
mircea_popescu: heh. the errybody wants to not-do anything extends to dcs, does it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but specifically re the colocation part ?
trinque: so then just rate?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prepared a quantity of servers, each approx. similar to spec of dulap-II ; these will be colocated, under the banner of s.nsa, and a certain number leased to folx in l1 .
asciilifeform: soooo since mircea_popescu already broke the radio silence, i will put on record :
asciilifeform: oh hey there it is
asciilifeform assumed it was being saved for the broadcast
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did we ever publicly proclaim the details ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.nacion.com/sucesos/desastres/deslizamiento-Miramar-puntarenense-Montes-Oro_LNCIMA20171005_0090_1.jpg << in other chocolate bites.
mircea_popescu: lobbes turns out i named Framedragger twice, but the first instance was supposed to be you lol/
mircea_popescu: speaking of ^ asciilifeform , how's the isp thing going ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << My bot's not following spec either. I'll be tinkering with it this weekend anyway so I'll add this to my list of tinkerings
mircea_popescu: we're supposed to think he's respectable because he was purportedly inactive in EXACTLY the same manner we'd have been supposed to think him respectable for being active, in the same place a century prior.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the amusing bit to my ear was the implicit "only good citizen is citizen who isn't doing anything"
shinohai: Those 72 virgins ain't gonna fuck themselves.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 14:25 mircea_popescu: "Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
a111: Logged on 2013-11-08 05:01 asciilifeform: "the little black rifle" which is useless to our cause!"
asciilifeform: folx queuing up again, supposedly, to buy the littleblackrifle
mircea_popescu: this is about as long room service takes in the god forsaken shithole.
asciilifeform: sniper can only dream of the 'packed train' target tho.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, either are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than any us citizen ever deployed in an armed conflict.
mircea_popescu: vs 527 injured, so check it out, maybe there's some merit to that "5.56 wound round" theory.
asciilifeform: what's all these ?
mircea_popescu: see, this is why no MAGA : us has been losing jobs to the east, where per-capita productivity is 170% higher.
mircea_popescu: "Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
asciilifeform: ./v.pl p v trb54 makefiles.vpatch <<< is the answer
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no experimental changes/patches or anything, straight the build from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 16:42 asciilifeform: i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 11:55 Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 11:40 Framedragger: hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
Framedragger: yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
Framedragger: yeah i think they have a minimum VAT fee + royal mail fee, and then the VAT increases after some threshold of declared value or somesuch. or, increased fees / inflation...
diana_coman: I think the only sort of unclear thing is why the difference (mine was a bit higher) but it's probably correlated to value of package I suppose or something
Framedragger: ah there was that, too. will go thru backlog. still interested in some particular detail diana_coman?
diana_coman: Framedragger, I think there was some ping re the customs duty for fg when you were in the UK too
Framedragger: i assume that asciilifeform's recent ping was in connection to my attempt to update the cached stats - he saw the http request for one of the large pages on dulap when it was still alive
Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << fwiw `/msg scriba help sexpr` (and json) works, but iirc cuts off line, so need to fix the cutoff. and obvs fix all the other by now accumulated stuff.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 16:33 trinque: if folks are ashamed of not having time for the republic, there's more shame in being unable to say so.
Framedragger: hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu I can see that: "In them we Trust"
mircea_popescu: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/imagebuzz/web04/2011/3/14/22/obama-fist-bumps-a-white-house-custodian-29908-1300156824-111.jpg << "and in this historical shoot, historical hussein bahamas engages in mate dance specific to his tribe with wild american-custodian provided by the event organizers."
mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 02:53 BingoBoingo: In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "Fetal remains found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721603 << i guess it's good the "custodian" paid close attention.
mircea_popescu: in other news, HOLY SHIT has vegas gone down. seriously, that's how the rug and curtains of a "multi-millionaire"'s suite look like, in 2017 ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the plastic titty farm, http://78.media.tumblr.com/026b682e39e8d861144fc10671cf5777/tumblr_nqmymnrUUT1tzf701o1_1280.jpg
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "Fetal remains found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 00:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform pretty sure that's BingoBoingo o no wait, was it cazalla's good friend ? << He was the cheif jizz mopper cazalla and self cut teeth on
mircea_popescu: pretty much all common man could have for the asking wo9uld be dog food parts, lower chicken legs, necks, that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: boys fought for the proper cut of bread (ie, the end bit, for some reason, was the only proper bit). but the last time communal eating was common was just about kindergarten
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
mircea_popescu: whereas most stories of romanian independenciality tend to come from 3rd 3rth, the north east.
mircea_popescu: at the time, right and proper austrian lands.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind tho that i come from the civilised third of romania.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. they even tolerated left hand writing, to some degree.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 19:55 BingoBoingo: ethnic enclaves, they never fail to put on a smile and admire everything Asian. Without the Asian industriousness and food, the Westerners will just be cave people just like their cave-dwelling ancestors not too long ago. One has to wonder why didnt the Mongol overlords finish colonizing these Westerners and turned them into proper Asians. In the near future, the Chinese will just do that because the spineless lazy Westerners have gr
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: trinque: The operation succeeded.
trinque: !~later tell apeloyee glad to see someone grinding the ffa forward with asciilifeform. get me that fixed key!
asciilifeform: ok laters then
asciilifeform: and on what does their number depend.
asciilifeform: but what are the fixed shots ?