a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 18:25 asciilifeform: gotta wonder, how come none of the audience have the half cup of oil in their braincase to answer the 'here is some lolcatcoin, gimme btc in exchange' with 'if it's so great, why dontcha keep it, and why would you trade it for boring old btc'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732656 << you should read the "seo expertise/information products" stuff sometime.
mircea_popescu: not liek the public's doing much investment these days. approx on par with good soviet of 1987, had special retainer out of salary for "investments".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 17:11 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's still an open thread god damned it. so re "in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status" above : the final socialism, usg's "ourdemocracy" came up with a gamified nationalization process : they naturally confiscate the domain leaders in all domains, under the guise of you know, "pension fund investments" and "consumer protection law enforcement". ie, there's a faux money and a faux legal prong which make sure
mircea_popescu: and in other tears of modernity, "I was formerly a PhD student at Max Planck Institute for Intelligent Systems, Tübingen, Germany, under the supervision of Bernhard Schölkopf and Stefan Harmeling, where my research focus was image denoising. I have achieved state-of-the-art results using neural networks. I am currently co-founder at TasteHit, a web analytics and personalization startup. We aim to create a unique browsing ex
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 20:40 trinque: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/04/intel-me-way-of-static-analysis.html << "It would seem that ME 11 is based on the MINIX 3 OS"
asciilifeform: 'analogue hole' motherfuckers.
asciilifeform: and at same time 'but the RAM region used by ME is not accessible from the OS' goes away.
asciilifeform: gotta luvv, incidentally, the 'huffman compression' thing. 'we can't decompress because nobody has the table'. except if you had instrumented sticks of ram, that can be read out of band ( i.e. without cooperation of the mobo and its contents , through a second hole ) you could quite easily restore the entire image ( which sections get read , in what order ? concatenate'em. )
trinque: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/04/intel-me-way-of-static-analysis.html << "It would seem that ME 11 is based on the MINIX 3 OS"
BingoBoingo: <vlad56324> what i would like to ask after reading the logs: what is a safe linux distro to use for day to day computing? << Minix 2 is prolly closest
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman iirc the cobra had 80kb ? <- hmmm, iirc 58 keys but I can't say I'm 100% certain
asciilifeform: vlad56324: also 'cold' normally implies the use of non-electrical item ( e.g. paper )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 12:22 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you think they use distinguishable magic packets, think again
asciilifeform: ( 'remote control' in the physical sense, greater than your own, he can read 'unused' pages of ram from last warm boot, rewrite arbitrary sectors on hdd, etc )
vlad56324: (paper + pen then input on PC)
vlad56324: but if i generate entropy with my paper + pen, am i on the safe side or still intel can theoretically fuck me?
vlad56324: basically i understood that there is this... kinda backdoor
asciilifeform: the fault, to borrow from shakespeare, 'is not in our packets but in ourselves'
asciilifeform: consider that in the age of 1990s microshit, it was not necessary for a box to have modem at all, to be infected ( just as today )
vlad56324: now with broadband it seems that everyone has the permission to grant the shit out of my pc in terms of TCP connections
asciilifeform: i.e. the question has an answer, but the phrasing of the question makes the answer inevitably misleading .
vlad56324: you know what: it seems to me that with 56k it was very easy to have some decent "fine grained" control over the packets
asciilifeform: vlad56324: asking today for 'which distro most secure' is rather like asking re which apartment block in chernobyl zone is most habitable
vlad56324: may i ask if there is some particular real advantage with freebsd?
vlad56324: then i saw some folks that prefer freebsd "for security" but never understood the reasons behind this
asciilifeform: it will still be possible to be surprised at 'why is this thing, that i put there, doing $x' . but this is a substantial step above the pig farm where you have a bowl of unattributable slop.
asciilifeform: at the end of the day you should have a box where the question 'why is this on my machine' should never have to be asked
asciilifeform: and throw out the kde's, gnomes, similar garbage.
asciilifeform: take, e.g., the above recipe, and build a box where the only soft is what you put there deliberately, with own hands.
vlad56324: i mean, i like and think that there is no harm about having some ARP request and dhcp stuff, but then, i realized that even if i was with closed browser, doing text editing, there was traffic going outside my lan
asciilifeform: a few of the folx here use heavily modified gentoo-derived items
asciilifeform: but no there is not a sane distro by any sort of reasonable standard
vlad56324: i would like to ask: there is some specific distro that by default doesn't need to communicate out of my lan?
vlad56324: and saw the hell going in and out my pc w/o reason
vlad56324: basically i'm on ubuntu since a lot of time, then after reading i've discovered some useful networking instruments such as tcptrack
asciilifeform: i'll answer this one : there isn't one.
vlad56324: what i would like to ask after reading the logs: what is a safe linux distro to use for day to day computing?
asciilifeform: lol mine neither
vlad56324: i knew bitcoin on 2015, trilema blog in the past week, aside from that i'm just an average joe
asciilifeform: vlad56324: say a bit about yerself while you have the microphone ?
asciilifeform: massive piles of loose-hanging theoretical 'sub noise floor max possible bit rate' etc
asciilifeform: yesterday i learned that there exists a similar subculture in academia as pertains to 'covert radio' ( see 'olivia' thread )
asciilifeform: gotta luvv the 'i have a tall pile of mathemasturbatory squigglies ergo I Fix Bitcoin' school of derpery
ben_vulpes: the corn syrup says maple syrup, that means it's just as good and certainly cheaper at any rate
ben_vulpes: well there's a whitepaper, that makes it just as good as bitcoin.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, how come none of the audience have the half cup of oil in their braincase to answer the 'here is some lolcatcoin, gimme btc in exchange' with 'if it's so great, why dontcha keep it, and why would you trade it for boring old btc'
ben_vulpes: which is all regulation buys one: houses built to the minimum standard, and retirees so accustomed to government insulation from possible bad decisions that the entire stockholding class has nfi that paper could be worthless
asciilifeform: but somehow became 'normal' behaviour in the rat pit, unremarkable nao.
asciilifeform: i still even recall the days when shitcoin artists tried to mask their premining or at least distract from it somehow
asciilifeform: and naturally, 'Chia Network is a San Francisco-based company' 'Chia will be sold to the public next year'.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 16:45 asciilifeform: the dark seekrit is that the old rusty dacia in empty street of timis, goes faster than mazerati on washington 'beltway'.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 16:31 asciilifeform: ( spoiler : cans of sprats. but no one confiscated them, or even opened suitcase, but the ritual of putting'em through larger xray magicbox was carried out and the voodoo gods -- satisfied )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732564 << they've gotten very "thou shalt not open bags, the might of inca rests in remoteness".
mircea_popescu hasn't been following the story.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 16:19 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i then stand corrected : ran once, and then came back twice to fleece the incorrigible idjits
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732558 << afaik there were no outstanding claims after either of these
mircea_popescu: definitely. i still have the old tim-s'n
mircea_popescu: i don't even know i ever had one. by the time they were more or less available i got ibm pc
mircea_popescu: the mold was made in ro oh.
asciilifeform: of the chipz that is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember the colour ? ( black plastic ? or ceramic white and gold cap ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, "iprs" was the comp dealing. mostly german / swiss contacts yeah.
mircea_popescu: went into production 1988, then 1989 it was all over.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman iirc the cobra had 80kb ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, at the time this was it.
asciilifeform: wouldja believe at one time it was thought to be the worst physically possible kbd. but never underestimate crapple, pinoneer of drawing-only keyboard.
mircea_popescu: basically these thin plastic pill style things lemme see if i can find one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did they come with , bk0010-style 'chiclet' ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732547 << the cobra was relatively advanced/later.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was thinking in case someone wants to literally connect to pdp8 or other item that capped out under 115200
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 15:40 asciilifeform: btw if anyone REALLY needs a 9200 baud ( or other ) baud rate, i ( or for that matter anyone ) can build a replacement cpld firmware image that makes this happen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi over what, iirc there were a few hundy btc in limbo
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 15:11 asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://bitbet.us/bet/1399/bitcoin-to-top-6000-usd-in-2017/#c7559 ( blocks archiverbot , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTOCH/?raw=true ) >> znort finally ran-with-the-moneyz
asciilifeform: the dark seekrit is that the old rusty dacia in empty street of timis, goes faster than mazerati on washington 'beltway'.
pete_dushenski: leave 'need' to the marxists
pete_dushenski: heh boys and their toys y'know
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: always lusted after those as a youf but never had much chance to fiddle with 'em. unobtanium for young pete's budget but glad to hear they're still running strong
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : cans of sprats. but no one confiscated them, or even opened suitcase, but the ritual of putting'em through larger xray magicbox was carried out and the voodoo gods -- satisfied )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wouldja believe, i got stopped at the border for extra helping of inspector fidgeting. guess why.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ( ben_vulpes ? other old-time crapplists ? ) ever saw open the battery on these ? what kind of cells ?
asciilifeform: in other pete_dushenski , asciilifeform issued pet a circa-2000 crappletop with os9 and no nic, she luvvs it
asciilifeform: maybe will come back 3rd time to fleece the remaining ( who ? down syndrome sufferers ? ) -- or not.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i then stand corrected : ran once, and then came back twice to fleece the incorrigible idjits
ben_vulpes: last time i crossed the border, guard winked us through, saying, "see you in november!"
pete_dushenski: i'm in ben_vulpes' neck of the woods more or less, sadly with bizniz to tend to and little opportunity to make house calls to trump's side of the border.
pete_dushenski: and 'ello from the pacific coast!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: znort "finally" ran three times now. if zhe comes back again i won't be overly surprised. like how many other btc corpses, znort surely has nine lives.
asciilifeform: ( with possible exception of crapplemac, which even THEN came in a sealed box with nonstandard bolts etc )
asciilifeform: i think all 1980s micro owners remember moar the insides than outside, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that one, yes! mine was made in-house by my father so I sort of know it more open-box than closed-box in any case
asciilifeform: btw if anyone REALLY needs a 9200 baud ( or other ) baud rate, i ( or for that matter anyone ) can build a replacement cpld firmware image that makes this happen
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I should get my '80s cobra then? centos 6 is not even recent tbh; but otherwise yes, I believe re no need to patch
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: trinque ^ et al ( and other pcenginesists )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one can patch the kernel to work with both pl2303 AND pl2303x; but otherwise yes, obv is obv, either actual serial port or otherwise finding a combo that works
asciilifeform: the other solutions, in ascending order of sanity, is to find a usb ttl dongle that works with yer kernel, a kernel that worx with mine (or other) ttl dongle, and a pc with actual serialport.
asciilifeform: i prolly should note ftr, for the truly lazy, there exist serial-to-ethernet boxes. they cost roughly what FG itself costs.
asciilifeform: ^ pete_dushenski ( and other bbet nostalgiators )
asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://bitbet.us/bet/1399/bitcoin-to-top-6000-usd-in-2017/#c7559 ( blocks archiverbot , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FTOCH/?raw=true ) >> znort finally ran-with-the-moneyz
diana_coman: asciilifeform, if you mean the usb trouble with fuckgoats it was on *centos*
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman didja ever solve the riddle re ubuntu ?
asciilifeform: just as it is conceivable that , e.g., despite FG comes with schematics and agonizingly pedantic description of what it is, more than enough for martians to replicate it to last resistor, there are prolly still folx who were unpleasantly surprised
mircea_popescu: THAT is what the whole "i'm rich, pay off for it" protection is for.
asciilifeform: the contrary would require telepathy
mircea_popescu: it's entirely within the realm of the conceivable that on a long enough timeline anyone ends up selling a nonzero quantity of palaces.
asciilifeform: the cost of selling moonpalaces is to become known as a seller of moonpalaces.
mircea_popescu: a deal can be anything. a stupid deal, or a deal of no economic value or relevancy, such as me offering for sale my palace on the moon, with the footnote that as far as i know there's no palaces on the moon and if there were i don't know of owning any is one thing. fraud begins later on.
asciilifeform: because otherwise shitfinex an' pay with фуфло.
asciilifeform: who remembers the 'why not s.nsa take preorders!11' thread.
davout: ftr fractional reserve is really not what i was discussing in the first place ...
mod6: (unless it says otherwise, in clear, plain-text right there and I am aware that the coins that are listed on the orderbook are not actually *there*, right *now*)
davout: hard to stop when it seemed so easy in the first place, even though it *was* factually safe in the first plae
mircea_popescu: aite then
mircea_popescu: ie, if X thinks P = "hey, ima trade fraudulently because i'm rich enough to afford covering up for it", the probability of X later thinking P' = "undertaking excessive risk on the basis of extant capitalization is viable in spite of its obvious unviability" is high. because while P' is patently insane whereas P is merely occultly insane, nevertheless P' is just a watered down version of P and consequently "of lower psychologi
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly the substance of the "will come to grief" comment. the sort of mental situation that creates the approach in the first place is generally guaranteed to eventually sink it past the point of safety.
davout: their ability to face the consequences of the risks they're undertaking is not something i can meaningfully argue, i have nfi how rich they are
mircea_popescu: which is the problem with this "im trading fraudulently in the hopes i'm rich enough to not suffer the consequences".
mircea_popescu: so : being rich protects one from action on fraud, on the basis of being able to make restitution and only as far as that lasts.
mircea_popescu: rape is still a crime, even if you only indulge in it in those juridstictions where paying off the father after the fact is a legal way of extinguishing ~the claim~ against you and you're rich enough to pay more than you can fuck.
davout: isn't that what the mpoe bot was essentially doing?
mircea_popescu: whenever something is taken to the marketplace under a label that doesn't match the content, fraud has been committed.
davout: if it was the latter, would it be fraudulent just on account of me taking a risk?
davout: mircea_popescu: say i start selling buttcoins, is it fraudulent if i source them elsewhere?
mircea_popescu: there isn't such a mention on, eg, coinmarketcap.com. which is why we aren't having this discussion about that ~useless website ; but about the useless and fraudulent bitfinex.com exact equivalent.
mircea_popescu: their simple existence (or rather, evidently fraudulent pretense to existing) is the claim whole.
mircea_popescu: there can't not be.
davout: so, there's no such "homemade" mention on buttfinex's menu is exactly my point
mircea_popescu: and incidentally the disparagement of sysco-powered pitstops is based on exactly this
mircea_popescu: when i go and sit down in a restaurant and ask for the menu, a certain kind of promise is made. when the waiter doesn't go to the restaurant's kitchen but across the street, sits down with my order and waits for the waiter to approach him, a different kind of thing was executed than was promised.
mircea_popescu: that's not the issue.
davout: buttcoins-on-an-exchange are definitionally not buttcoins-in-your-wallet, they are promises to put buttcoins in your wallet should you ask nicely
mircea_popescu: somehow the entire ukistan real estate market has little problem identifying the latter case as a scam.
mircea_popescu: the way real estate trading works in uncivilised (ie, non torrens) places is that you gotta examine the ownership chain to establish whethere the owner is selling what he claims (property free and clear) or otherwise "promises".
davout: well, my point re buttfinex is that they're simply selling you promises
mircea_popescu: at issue is the valuation of items that dun exist.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:07 mircea_popescu: "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could".
mircea_popescu: the original discussed whores, but whatever, let's talk about boys for a while.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms : the spy is well advised to be polite to the doorman ; because the doorman will still have his job when the spy won't have his anymore.
mircea_popescu: first of all not the "victim" of "his own success" as it's called.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 19:33 mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush.
mircea_popescu: perhaps i hear about how they came up with terrorism bs re this latest http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718821 ie adrian sirbu and instead of pointing at him and laughing, "ti-am zis ca ti-o sugi, fraere ???" im like all you know, impressed or something.
mircea_popescu: and besides, he has 0 experience interacting with only-living-romanian-billionaire ; and plenty of experience interacting with... what, irinel columbeanu ? recall the trilema foundational myth ?
diana_coman: myeah; I meant that I don't quite see the basis on which this guy "sees" the similarity; but I'll admit I was being harsh
mircea_popescu: and in #trilema better homes and gardens, today's breakfast idea : cut open aguacate (green plox, not the black jewishabomination), remove seed, replace with thinly sliced blue cheese (aoc, plox, not argentinisms) and balsamic vinegar in some proportion. yum!
diana_coman: well, at least there's so much more ridicule patiently waiting for him to notice it...
diana_coman has trouble getting herself to read past the title even, given the...vibes of the whole thing
mircea_popescu: in nucet, the argument is that the empirical measure described is reliable until relied upon, at which point it is unreliable immediately and without remainder.
mircea_popescu: fellow identieis me as you know, "scenariul pesedisto-antenist". right ? on the basis of something he's read, or w/e, encountered in his daily lyf.
diana_coman: might; or the EU ...mhm, dunno, peace; or whatever in between; at the other end one... is ahead of it so can see already where the future is
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> orcs are slow. <- from my personal experience this is actually a rather reliable empirical measure of how much someone groks reality as is; the analogy would be as to how far away they are from it, hence how much it takes for the "light" to travel aka them to see it; for some the splendours of Rome are visible only now so they still hold today's Rome to be the greatest thing; others are still seeing the Habsburg
mircea_popescu: you know they're STILL visiting rome ? or venice ?
asciilifeform: the vhsamerica lure still works, i have nfi why, but it worx
asciilifeform: what, exactly, they'll do ? 'he'll email you his fist...'
mircea_popescu: the reason it is vehehehery important for the kids to keep being distracted by "technology" aka bimbophones is that ... well... if they ever were to look up from zee angry birds...
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet many times remarked 'they knew, they watched own neighbourhoods turn into darkest africa. but never said anything to me and siblings growing up'
asciilifeform: this 'sanitization' btw is how they wrecked the cities, why larger part of bmore looks like dresden '45
mircea_popescu: turns out there's a lot of interesting us history "nobody ever knew".
mircea_popescu: the situation where manhattan may well be run by goldman sach's own boss tweed but five points is run by will poole and dontcha forget it is well anathema to the democrat corruption machine.
asciilifeform: this is the exact colonization algo, tho, applied domestically
mircea_popescu: "clean the slums" very specifically means -- an effort by the early pantsuit to remove local autonomy from the poor. yes they'll be just as poor -- the important point is to make sure the landlord is one of us not one of them.
mircea_popescu: ok, well, there was once a place in new york worth going to. meanwhile...
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????'
mircea_popescu: it did. including for the feminist (ugly tomboyis streetwalker that hates men) and for the woman in tech (pickpocket distracting the mark by playing the whore) and so on.
asciilifeform: there is, i suppose, 'rustler'
asciilifeform: another poverty of englisch, it dun have a rich set of names for types of thief ( if it did ? long forgotten ? )
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: ah ok then. basically young gypsy's pons asinorum
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:27 mircea_popescu: amusingly -- the chicken stealer (ro gainar, each language that saw them has its own word) is the lowest level of gypsy male qualification. a sort of transient baccalaureat if you will.
asciilifeform was floored by the abundance of free-ranging chickens, of high apparent quality, walking around in timis
mircea_popescu: or the arab approach at that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it works fucking admirably though, compared to the soviet approach...
mircea_popescu: the rest of the "balance sheet", two bit gainarii / trading of stolen phones and classmates' inept sexwork is entirely spurious nonsense bolted on
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
mircea_popescu: actually, that only works because the chinese are playing the role of romanian student's mother, sending over lunchboxes fulla pork and beans without economic counterprestation, accepting self-issued "certificates" in lieu of payment.
asciilifeform: if usg 'borrows' something from me, i dun expect to see it again 'like own ears without mirror', because mother did not drop me as a child
asciilifeform: this only worx because they've dressed ordinary tribute collection as 'borrowing', and ordinary mongol rape as 'lending'
asciilifeform: ( approx 'the beautiful thing about debt, is that it WILL be paid' )
mircea_popescu: because if problem they'll change "discharged" with "deferred" and nyah nyah.
mircea_popescu: yes but the pantsuitistan theory is that poverty is an absolute bar to cash repayment and "human rights" are an absolute bar to фуфло repayment and consequently repayment obligation discharged, problem ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:14 mircea_popescu: the specific item here discussed is an EXACT rehash of say ttp://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-55.0-57.87 ; which while 5 years old is nevertheless entirely identical ; which is the problem here -- that a specific sort of "mind" keeps making a specific sort of mistake. which is why all the discussions about http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ and so on and so fo
shinohai: Buttfunex not a corral full of thieves ? Am I in the wrong place?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:08 mircea_popescu: yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732302 << speaking of 'mas futuro' , the 'btc in ar' scamola apparently back from the grave, https://archive.is/LUSVz
mircea_popescu: this can only come to grief ; and the name of the griefbox is "why is mp so arrogant ; we don't yet know whether it was a scam ; this looks like a serious business because aeron chairs" and other such nonsense amply and insistently documented years ago back when i still vaguely gave a shit about what idiots say and how the idiot brainbox works.
mircea_popescu: ens in the first place) back in 2012.
mircea_popescu: the problem, however, seems to be that your mind is actually regressing to the mean, and you find yourself in 2017 making the type of arguments you'd have readily recognized as an idiot's (not even a scammer's ; some people are too dumb to actually scam in that they have not the intelligence required to create a space between themselves and their victims, so they're just fucking everyone over without mens rea for lack of a m
mircea_popescu: now -- it's fine for you to sorta-kinda keep up with the logs, now and again, and trade off the credit you built historically. nobody gives a shit, per se, people have been failing to keep up and getting shedded off like so much dead skin ever since day 1.
mircea_popescu: the specific item here discussed is an EXACT rehash of say ttp://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-55.0-57.87 ; which while 5 years old is nevertheless entirely identical ; which is the problem here -- that a specific sort of "mind" keeps making a specific sort of mistake. which is why all the discussions about http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ and so on and so fo
mircea_popescu: yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value.
mircea_popescu: "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could".
davout: aka promises aren't in themselves fraudulent because they are promises, failure to deliver on the promise is fraudulent
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-01#1731791 <<< i missed that, and no i see no problem with that. selling stuff that doesn't exist yet happens all the time in the regular course of business
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 21:23 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732246 << because one day the $item-I-am-excepting will be $no-longer-the-item-I-should-be-excepting?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732274 << not exactly. exception becomes semantically meaningful, then others end up building applications on the meaning, then you're stuck supporting unintended downstreams.
mircea_popescu: aw damn i thought logotron gets the utf points whatever
lobbes: And if that is the case, couldn't it be mitigated through not having the exceptions baked into code, but rather in a separate 'exception list' that can be altered easily?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 20:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1731848 << a word to the wise, don't bake exceptions in.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732246 << because one day the $item-I-am-excepting will be $no-longer-the-item-I-should-be-excepting?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732242 << shit. So it is. Looks like I fail the intelligence test, as per: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732028
asciilifeform: fwiw su illegals in 1950s all had burst encoders ( punched tape ) , song starts and finishes in few sec. but otoh they did not need to shout across ocean, but only to nearest sovembassy.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 19:46 asciilifeform: another is to mimic a common source of crapola, e.g. defective electric motors.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732153 << ideal is to not use the mw for anything.
asciilifeform: logs in , at any rate, from chernogolovka, the su mega-mecca
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 19:43 apeloyee: you will have to deal with multipath . narrow spectrum modes is just pretending problem doesn't exist, they just stop working on destructive interference
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 19:33 asciilifeform: ^ per asciilifeform's current understanding, thing is untriangulable unless enemy knows the freq keying pattern, or is standing in the near field of your transmitter.
mircea_popescu: you'll come to regret them.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 02:46 lobbes: anyways, for the wotpastes specifically, I plan to download and store those myself from the get-go (and NOT route them through archive.is), seeing as those are easily 'flagged' due to the predictable url. To alf's point, even if archive.is stays up, diddling is always a threat. Any bits I can do without it now is +ev imo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1731848 << a word to the wise, don't bake exceptions in.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 02:31 lobbes: while probably elementary to most here, I just discovered that I can send POST requests with curl. One single line! The simple joys of n00bdom.
asciilifeform: incidentally the spreadspectrumtron popularly attributed to h. lamar ( the hot chix ) was skitale principle but turning ~freq~ knob
a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 17:59 mircea_popescu: basically they had this early elliptic curve crypto, implemented as an arbitrary cone on which they wrapped a string. because the string is fixed length see, whereas the section of cone is not.
mircea_popescu: the spartan item ?
asciilifeform: in other ancient rf lulz, nazis had 'hellschreiber', a kind of skytale for spectrum
asciilifeform: ( i fughet the title, it was pestilential )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-01#1731822 << nb. i vaguely recall discussing the old ro instruments at some point.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i'm not so fixated on 'olivia' per se, but the principle.
mircea_popescu: well, no, inasmuch as that was made by and for the local soviets.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-01 20:46 asciilifeform: i'll let the actual ro-boriginals settle this one, lol
asciilifeform: massive townlet of abandoned pripyat-style megafactory, with a little modern thing in the middle making bmw transmissions
mircea_popescu: in the 00s us stole romania's nuclear tech, fine mechanics plants, etc.
mircea_popescu: well, in the 50s su stole romania's u-quartz, grain, train cars etc.
asciilifeform: and the yellowcake.