hubud: He treats them well
BingoBoingo: It looks like I'm going to be spending 2U on an Ubiquity Edgerouter Pro and an Ebuquity Edgeswitch lite, unless there are other ideas for networking hardware
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737253 << time will tell. Depends on how much the logs-to-date worth of archives end up being in drive space. Bandwidth also a factor. Many things left to be sussed out.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737252 << I do plan to walk-back the logs and pull what still exists. Hard-drive space willing for being able to serve up the things on-demand (only ~40GB to work with on the VPS)
asciilifeform: ( i could even readily believe that an , e.g., 25x rise in the heathenbux:btc exch rate would make no practical diff to mircea_popescu . but i suspect that i am not the only one here for whom it would make a palpable diff. )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 02:07 mircea_popescu: but if you wish to argue it in substance, the fiat valuation of bitcoin is broadly irrelevant -- to bitcoin, to the actrual things the fiat turds misclaim to represent, etcetera. whereas the penmanship of the l1 is relevant by definition.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737451 << i see the q of whether a coin buys a rowboat, a battleship, or entire flotilla, as broadly interesting one -- but mebbe that's just me
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:44 mircea_popescu: allegedly teh soviets were so impressed with it packed the whole assembly line took it to russia in 1945
mircea_popescu: but if you wish to argue it in substance, the fiat valuation of bitcoin is broadly irrelevant -- to bitcoin, to the actrual things the fiat turds misclaim to represent, etcetera. whereas the penmanship of the l1 is relevant by definition.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> (asciilifeform's ticker idea) << nah, autospeaking bots to be kept at a minimum which is 0. << for the curious, why is say deedbot's rss announcer a non-auto event whereas a market movement isn't?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 21:10 asciilifeform: ^ pheeature idea : why not have ticker autofire when the number moves >10% from last tick
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 20:57 asciilifeform: the boojum is that neither i nor anybody else knows of any rational way to quantify the compromise.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737321 << this is a problem ; but perhaps opening it up to the market may be helpful.\
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 20:35 diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737405 << currently working the 4th permutation of a 65536 byte message for a 32 bit hash
mircea_popescu: allegedly teh soviets were so impressed with it packed the whole assembly line took it to russia in 1945
mircea_popescu: i get odd viral influenzas in the first months of mingling with the whores of a new land also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because see, if you don't use nextprime you lack the "nop bridge" so to speak. rolling number 6 does not take you to 7. to get 7 you need a natural 7, and this is equiprobable to rolling a natural 2^74207281-1 on the space of (0,2^74207281-1).
asciilifeform: ( there are still fewer primes than 2^4096bit phase space )
asciilifeform: somewhat counterintuitively, you still get same result ( minus the time sidechannel leak, naturally )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:29 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737247 << it looks like a properly structured scheme evaluator, but it's ~explicitly~ lacking a native cons, which might be a very good exercise for whoever™ adding a static allocation space, adding mark-and-sweep, then all those To_Unbounded_String look like they can be simply search/replaced
asciilifeform: afaik the only remaining, and most obvious 'loss' is the one implicit in prime number theorem ( where , wat, ~10k possible rng outputs correspond to same prime output )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:47 ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
asciilifeform: afaik diana_coman exhaustively showed the places
mircea_popescu: it's still an unreturned function "what other bits are lost what other places". so this 4090 still an upper bound.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing in principle wrong with the 2045 bit primes, except, of couyrse, the lying about it.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:02 mircea_popescu: im not going to have my tech people do backflips to seamlessly bridge imperial idiocy into reality when i could just have the marketing people point out to how the empire lied by making the difference a point of difference.
asciilifeform: ( plus the 2 bottoms )
asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
asciilifeform: (last digit of a product is not a straight product of the last-digit-of-p and last-digit-of-q )
asciilifeform: ( and why not then 111, 1111.... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing in principle wrong with the 2045 bit primes, except, of couyrse, the lying about it.
asciilifeform: i can actually see the 1. but why 11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 0 led either one, or rather, non 11 led either one gives you a sub 4096 N
asciilifeform: if only 1 -- then high bits of p,q remain seekrit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only case where this is a problem is 0-led p + 0-led q
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 15:20 asciilifeform: there is no legitimate reason to do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i made a stab of computing a lower bound of bitness for hypothetical '4096b of possible prime' but ran out of juice.
mircea_popescu: im not going to have my tech people do backflips to seamlessly bridge imperial idiocy into reality when i could just have the marketing people point out to how the empire lied by making the difference a point of difference.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 15:09 asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737203 << i'm happier with properly reporting keys as 4090 bits, and pointedly explaining WHY the difference to the user.
asciilifeform: these are always on hand
mircea_popescu: indeed. but here's the hidden truth : the idiots TALKING TO HIM about it are no different from the people asking beautician re politics.
mircea_popescu: cto's job is to understand why robots have limits, if the company is doing robots.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 14:41 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The Chinese miners were instructed to continue mining the coin, even at great financial loss, to support a pretension of value and use, minimally sustaining its life. When the price troughed, those who were in the know about the plan accumulated it in large quantities' etc.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in very vintage lulz, https://archive.is/I5JC0 >> 'Secretary of State Baker said Washington would not object to military intervention in Romania by Soviets or the Warsaw Pact.'
asciilifeform: ^ pheeature idea : why not have ticker autofire when the number moves >10% from last tick
diana_coman: at a first pass this duplex thing based on keccak seems to be a similar attempt really, hence my question if anyone looked at it more closely (I'm still trying to fully grasp it, not there yet)
asciilifeform: makes sense then
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 23:13 mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
diana_coman: yees, but conceivably there might be one in the future; if no knob then no point as it were, entirely
asciilifeform: the boojum is that neither i nor anybody else knows of any rational way to quantify the compromise.
diana_coman: heh, true that; I think first trouble there is that "never-reuse" choice means "no-knob" for client who pays however for the traffic; the whole point was precisely to let player choose their own level of compromise between cost and security (otps are generated on the server for good reason)
asciilifeform: if you use actual one-time -- you then dun have to reinvent symmetric ciphering
asciilifeform: how atrociously slow does the 'never reuse' variant look ?
diana_coman: I meant the choice of specific, concrete way to expand the original bitfield i.e. "reuse the otp"
asciilifeform: for so long as you're actually using otp (i.e. 1 byte of key used for exactly 1 byte of payload) it's the only logical option
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the second part is not so well defined/fixed yet
asciilifeform: iirc you were gonna use mircea_popescu's algo ( use rsa to send otp pages, then later use'em )
diana_coman: however so far I focused on the reference paper on keccak itself (The Keccak reference version 3.0)
diana_coman: well, I have several papers on keccak and one of them is this "Duplexing the sponge: single-pass authenticated encryption and other applications"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc it was in the original paper
diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
asciilifeform: if 'machine' i'd rather have handwritten 32kb asm thing, than whatever 'best effort' gcc shits out.
phf: right, so that scheme.adb would benefit from a way to cons onto an arbitrary sized array, and then later someone can bolt a gc on top of that. can even implement it as an explicit function call rather than a threshold thing
asciilifeform: to put it in libctronic terms, the resulting linux binary will call setbrk() ~exactly once~ in its life
phf: like in php model? allocate as much as you want and then "free" on termination?
phf: asciilifeform: i'm using "memory management" meaning of cons, not like lisp 101 take on it. they don't have cons meaning that there's no managed heap, there's no gc on that heap, and you can't allocate things into the heap and let it be managed by heap machinery. so they have "cons", but their ~actual~ cons is ada's "new ..."
asciilifeform: ( though they are useful for cache locality )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:42 asciilifeform: phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into.
phf: the array instead of pointers approach gives you free save (in fact you can run it against a mmaped region and have a ghetto core file)
phf: somewhat relatedly one handy thing i saw on CADR is named cons regions, i.e. explicit memory regions where you can cons and every allocation function having a *-in-region equivalent, like (cons-in-region x y region). i'm not sure if that's there, but you presumably can do some kind (with-cons-region (region ...) body) thing. naturally those regions can be saved (preserved referential integrity) or cleared, etc.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme/blob/master/scheme.adb#L134 << the faux cons. observe, they use pointers for the car/cdr
asciilifeform: ( the operative difference is that indices are bounded , and you can reason meaningfully about'em )
asciilifeform: ( there's no particular reason why you can't have a schemetron use strictly arrays and integer indices into same )
asciilifeform: and get rid of the pointers.
phf: there be dragons. i mean, if you're rewriting a parser in lisp, then you might as well have proper readtables, rather then hardcoded sexp hack
asciilifeform: and rewrite the parser per se in scheme ( have it be present as commented bytecode constant )
phf: well, right. i'm not sure what ada.strings is (i.e. is it a protocol or concrete datatype), so i can't really comment further
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737247 << it looks like a properly structured scheme evaluator, but it's ~explicitly~ lacking a native cons, which might be a very good exercise for whoever™ adding a static allocation space, adding mark-and-sweep, then all those To_Unbounded_String look like they can be simply search/replaced
asciilifeform: but if you want to make a fast mphftron, for experimentation, the recipe is 1) compute upper bound of the scratch space length and preallocate. NEVER realloc 2) NEVER flip-all-the-bits, flip a 'did-we-flip' bit instead, and the latter always get xor'd with whatever bit you read from the flippablespace.
asciilifeform: though asciilifeform will admit to still being at a loss re what the appeal is , after these...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 22:51 asciilifeform: but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:47 ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737245 << if you apply the bound we found in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679483 thread, and the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698509 trick, mphf a not-especially-slow hash
asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ?
ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736892 << some years ago, several people got together and worked through 'an incremental approach to compiler construction', one nick fitzgerald worked through it in ada: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme
lobbes: trinque, yeah. Hopefully will be able to bypass the cloudflare js/cookie challenge wall
trinque: nice lobbes. this means you'll not be ratelimited? or what was the problem?
BingoBoingo: If making pies, you have to make the best, and best means round.
trinque: surely the tickerbot has been switched to bitcoin crash? what do I make of this?
asciilifeform: ( 1 caveat is that this is a leaking operation , theoretically )
asciilifeform: but yes you can use each of the 2 discarded bottom bits to double the primespace available
asciilifeform: ignore the 5step thing
mod6: so in your algo above, you're saying that you can work that magic with just the ~lowest~ discarded digit
asciilifeform: there is no legitimate reason to do it.
mod6: when you say 'lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later', are you talking about the highest order 2 digits, and the lowest 1, saving their original lower-order half and using that?
asciilifeform: 1) calculate what a certain b is, such that there are likely to be 2^4096 primes below 2^b-1
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item that takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce the Nth prime ( or eggog if the Nth prime is bigger than the register bitness permitted. )
asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes
mod6: even /if/ doing some prime selection based on 'discarded bits' would net you anything what-so-ever, is it shown, presently that they even do this?
asciilifeform: re the rsa key entropy, it is possible to trivially regain the lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later as triggers for 'take nextprime(p) instead of p' and 'take nextprime(q) instead of q' . there may be other possible algos
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 12:44 mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:43 mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737171 << the only properly forced loss is of the bottom bit
asciilifeform: ( picture extending this by induction : 'why not glue another 1 after that 1 , lest we end up with sub-4095...' )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways). << uugh. every time we peel a layer back...
shinohai: of course, im the baron titsbare
shinohai: Johnson, clear my schedule for the day.
mircea_popescu: and in other lofty feelings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/7aa97651e7ccbfd76ef6c61392d3e734/tumblr_nmbdtsNoKR1u0yktbo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
mircea_popescu: the chances of such repeating happening naturally'd be ~the inverse of ∏(1 - 2i/6.5e612), 1<i<n where n is the number of keys ever made. fortunately this evaluates to "never" on all extant iron.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to rsa discussion : there's about 6.5e612 primes in the interval 2^2045-1, 0 (by teh prime number theorem). every key needs a pair of these, and no number can EVER be repeated (if it is -- phuctor breaks both keys).
mircea_popescu: and in other emergencies / what is yahoo good for ? https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-suspects-overwhelming-gas-shuts-down-interrogation-153853856.html
diana_coman: p and q are different so there won't be exactly this limit case there, but obv same 4095 bits n instead of 4096 for other low-enough odd numbers that might be primes
mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 2nd 1 in front is, not evidently, also to not end up with sub-4096 Ns : if you had the exceptional case of your primes being each 2^2047 + 1 your N would then be 2^4094+2^2048+1, which is shorter than 4096 bits.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 1 in the tail is to ensure odd numbers -- large even numbers are never prime. this much is a math-forced reduction.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that (in a translation of what koch-gpg does into sanity) you take 2045 bits of rng for each possible prime, stick 11 in front and 1 in the tail and THAT is your 2048 bit prime candidate.
mircea_popescu: in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways).
ag3nt_zer0: it was stylistically almost a copy of the first slide here: http://www.theadanews.com/news/local_news/a-visit-to-taliesin-frank-lloyd-wright-s-wisconsin-estate/article_eea7de5b-a7a0-5678-8035-01af370b94a3.html
ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/12/bigs-vancouver-house-the-last-pied-a-terre-youll-ever-need/#identifier_6_19987 <<< thanks for the introduction to Ingels. My family is from a small town near Wright's Taliesin and a good old family friend of mine owned a classic FLW student-designed house that sat on 40 acres above Lake Wisconsin - I practically lived in that house for 3 seasons one year and there is really nothin
asciilifeform: 'tesla' of course is not a commercial op in the usual sense, but rather an elaborate fraud prop, similar to a konsoomer-flavoured lockheedmartin
asciilifeform: if actually care about capex -- speed up, or better yet, eliminate -- the ~meat~ in your line.
asciilifeform: the 'tecan evo' i worked with ( small industrial gantry bot ) could make fully 100x faster motions than vendor recommended . BUT -- 1) the default winblowz turdware ( that afaik every installation other than mine, used , lock stock etc ) would result eventually in smashed equipment, dead bearings, and possibly injured meat and ..
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 04:46 mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
BingoBoingo: "Instead of fetching your slippers they’ll shit on them without remorse, as if keenly aware that ruining your property would be insulting to you. Instead of sleeping next to you, ready, and waiting in guard position, they will find a comfy spot squarely on your forehead, burrow down and screech to high heaven if you motion to remove them. Rinse and repeat they will, despite many deserved beatings. Brats."
BingoBoingo: In other mine chaff: "What the fuck… that is the most messed up thing I ever read. I am not European just because I have white skin, you sicko. I do not relate to the experiences of white people, why would I identify with them? You probably have an inferiority complex and feel the need to pretend you’re white because you hate yourself."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What more is there to say, Spent good chunk of the day learning from the weapon of mass destruction in my passenger seat.
jhvh1: 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:36 asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it has no 'supply code' , 10x the paperwork to buy
mircea_popescu: how come everything these people do is wankery "with a nsn"
asciilifeform: as in, the 8000 or whatever that you apparently use to talk to the 'talker' , is unwittingly externally routed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i believe there's 0 expectation on the part of us army that anyone under that flag will ever fight again. "you wanna shoot, join the police wtf! army is for "assisting local combatants"
mircea_popescu seems to recall this is the problem the original english also encountered. "these colonists dun understand how fighting wars works!!"
mircea_popescu: what if the fucker isn't in formation tho
asciilifeform: do they have an aftermarket iron butt end or wat
mats: i passed out after getting hit in formation the one time
asciilifeform: ( can't well fight with the plastic toy stock )
mats: also don't train to fight with bayonet anymore either
asciilifeform: mats: what do they teach ? how to humanely shoot ?
mircea_popescu: is this the bot being vulnerabilized ?
mircea_popescu: jsm. could come with a handy "pronounciation guide", which the sort of tard outfits listing "evanghelist" and "at large" on their "Careers" page always include in their god-awful "phonetic" pigdin i mean peeg-deen
asciilifeform: something, anything, with moar imagination than the gods gave a gnat
mircea_popescu: see, cuz then it could be cleverly JSM
asciilifeform: something that dun scream 'georgetown dc synthetic wine'
asciilifeform: they ought try a... say... fuckpigs.com
mircea_popescu: (funny shit, too, wasn't "medium" gonna be IT last year ? now "steemit" ? next month "wegiveup", the "platform for america" ?)
mircea_popescu: conceivably SOME of that came other than "because we published in today's mp-wp clone-wannabe"
mircea_popescu: that was for the lifetime\
asciilifeform: tho wasn't there a 10btc earlier
asciilifeform: 19.81 heathencoins wasnnit.
asciilifeform: aaaaa i misread the units
asciilifeform: and them titz are spent neh
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it gotta get through teh skulls that no, there's no "power in the multitudes".
mircea_popescu: just... the http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/#selection-283.0-299.347 has to be underscored a little. so programming student made on the basis of market application over 20 minutes SIX TIMES what the shadow brokers made by posting for the general web public.
asciilifeform: ah it's the spamreddit with pay-per-click nonsense innit.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/zNqEo << potential payout $19.81 (in 6 days). but unlike the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736478 "steemit" has a "whitepaper". and besides, the new york times doesn't pretend it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : 19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK, the btc address printed on some "shadow brokers blog", got almost enough money for a small boat.
asciilifeform: '"Were they living today," quips author Bamford, "[they] would probably defect all over again."' (2007)
mircea_popescu: reasoning by simile, the priviledge of dying empires.
asciilifeform: 'The NSA immediately began searching for other sexual deviants in its ranks, eventually purging 26 employees suspected of being security risks because of their alleged "perversions."' prettygreat.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 12:23 spyked: http://www.220.ro/umor-romanesc/Horatiu-Malaele-2-Vaci/nUSRHOCJEP/ <-- ro. only, unfortunately; also buried under piles of shitads, but I salvaged the videofile.
spyked: speaking of which, that last "bye" is also part of the orig. thing (i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722535 ). hopefully whoever does this also studies the original thing, the acting makes about half of it.
hanbot: asciilifeform from http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ : "A Nagant's always good to keep nearby, don't wonder why. Bye." no britishness detectored
mircea_popescu: but i mean the "no such" specifically.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:14 hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
asciilifeform: ( was a somewhat different animal before pc comp . split b/w actual signal-gathering , bug-plantin', supplying idjit hagelin crypto boxen to ~every major country, etc )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1736972 <-- I did follow in read-only mode. (and unfortunately suspecting that I will continue to do so until upcoming vacation, when I can start doing ~actual productive work) the principle being, I either read daily, or logs pile up and I fall continuously out of sync. (almost happened last weekend!)
mircea_popescu: "For decades after its creation in 1952, the N.S.A. No Such Agency, in the old joke " << check it out alf, teh times is retconning it into "an old joke"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:16 hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
mircea_popescu: if only ants could speak they'd be no less entertaining.
mircea_popescu: T.A.O. operators must constantly renew their arsenal to stay abreast of changing software and hardware, examining every Windows update and new iPhone for vulnerabilities. The nature of the business is to move with the technology, a former T.A.O. hacker said.
asciilifeform: oh hey it came back from the archives , mircea_popescu :
hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 04:06 mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jims factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz.
spyked: ftr, I got the idea starting from elaineo's thing (via http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719047 )
asciilifeform: (or any of the ancient fidonet countries)
mircea_popescu: i alwsays suspected that was an original english (or french) item stoletranslated to ro as the practice was at the time
asciilifeform: ( the cows thing )
asciilifeform: linked item looks rather familiar -- ancient usenet meme
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha "The agency regarded as the worlds leader in breaking into adversaries computer networks failed to protect its own." what, is this from "the fake news site regarded (by itself) as the most influential item in the world, above even trilema, and staffed with people from the premiere (according to themselves) institution in the world" ?
spyked: but will drop teleschpenker a line and ask him if he's interested. (also, his rates, if any. from my pov the text is public and so on, I'm not exactly in the translation profession)
spyked: anyway. I was going to give the translation a shot either way, to work out translation muscle.
spyked: not only the last line.
mircea_popescu: spyked the romanian you pasted contains an english-language last line.
mircea_popescu: and your idea is not good. first you talk to him in principle, then you do the script, then etc. cinema has a flow!
mircea_popescu: in your paste, last line, "These would be, dear local investors, a few specific"
spyked: mircea_popescu, last line? also, no, haven't spoken to him. my idea was to just post this on blog and then ask him if he's willing to translate (refer log and so on). could also do it the other way around, not sure.
mircea_popescu: spyked do you have an agreement in principle with the guy or anything though ?
mircea_popescu: they indianselves created.
asciilifeform: ditto signals gathering
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg long ago gave up on intel in the traditional sense . e.g. nsa 'restaurant menu' consists ~100% of vulns they themselves created.
mircea_popescu: mats i'd rather bet next 5 years includes giving up on intel as given up on army, rely on foreign intel orgs.
asciilifeform: i have not yet had the pleasure of this disease. just as i have not yet suffered what the chukchas get from walrus-only diet in lean months etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not just d vitamin, either. but basically what happens is sun-driven metabolism overwhelms liver, products build up. solution is "not be such a noob", stuff fixes itself but after some practicve.
spyked: ah! mircea_popescu (and possibly other folks interested in ro-en translations)! almost forgot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/86l91/?raw=true <-- to drill. need to make 1-2 passes through it before sending to silviu gherman d00d. (been also watching his stuff, guy has grown on me!)
asciilifeform: '“Snowden killed morale,” another T.A.O. analyst said. “But at least we knew who he was. Now you have a situation where the agency is questioning people who have been 100 percent mission-oriented, telling them they’re liars.”'
mircea_popescu: there's this condition, entirely metabolic, not dermatologic, resulting from overexposure (as in 6 hours) to sun.
mircea_popescu: im not burned at all either.
asciilifeform: over here i get 20min and then begin to cook, even carry a dosimeter thing
asciilifeform recalls c3 and ~week spent in the sun, and 0 burn
mircea_popescu: the weather is so fucking perfect and the sun so pleasant you just dun realise it. slowroast, no burn but TOO MUCH D VITAMIN OMG
mats: mircea_popescu: not in america they don't.
asciilifeform: mats: as it is, the ~marketable half of the iq bell curve, already resigned and went into 'contracts'
asciilifeform: 'Some T.A.O. employees have been asked to turn over their passports, take time off their jobs and submit to questioning'
asciilifeform: nao for the money shot from the lul, 'But he says no one from the N.S.A. has contacted him about being singled out publicly by the Shadow Brokers. “That feels like a betrayal,” he said. “I was targeted by the Shadow Brokers because of that work. I do not feel the government has my back.”'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736845 << this actually might be the perfect definition of the terms. "a program that doesn't need garbage collection is called a script ; a script that needs garbage collection is called a program".
mircea_popescu: hey. this situatuion where usg is more transparent than fresh piss is not tenable. either it abolishes itself or fixes it
asciilifeform: 'N.S.A. employees have been subjected to polygraphs and suspended from their jobs in a hunt for turncoats allied with the Shadow Brokers. Much of the agency’s cyberarsenal is still being replaced, curtailing operations' << gold
mircea_popescu: re library, time was 2week for general fund, and 1week for some specialized, and 1 day for particular stuff ; going down from there, was stuff you could only have 1hr at a time and waiting list >1month long.
mircea_popescu: o hay there
asciilifeform: ng technical details that made clear they knew about highly classified hacking operations that he had conducted'