Ingolfr_Arnarson: I was trying to find information on gossipd, followed the 'how to participate in the affairst of the republic' link on the channel automatic text you get when you enter and reached the gossipd design document.
asciilifeform: i'd quite like to have some bigendian heavy iron for 'biodiversidad'/specificity-of-diddling reason, but afaik there is none to be had ( at least in the weight class of opteron, which can haz in 32cores easily enough )
asciilifeform: trinque: sounds respectable. are they obtainable ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/p1RZm >> 'Chinese drone maker DJI left the private key for its dot-com's HTTPS certificate exposed on GitHub for up to four years'
diana_coman: PeterL and anyone else following along on keccak: 2 more problems found so far in the ada code namely 1. in the pi permutation it's the *output* coordinates that are calculated as Y, 2*X+3*Y based on input at X,Y and not the other way around; 2. at iota the corresponding round constant is xored into a(0,0) only, not into all the lanes of the state (following permutations will propagate the round constant)
asciilifeform: enough room in the eeprom for a kernel as payload, even.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform genuinely does not know of anything worth calling 'standard box of the republic'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740119 << similar here, with opterons. but they have the drawbacks already discussed. ( power hungry, run hot, not obtainable in arbitrary qty given as no longer made )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake. << Either way LACNIC is cheaper/(less competition for space) than APNIC
BingoBoingo: For webhosting though, one has to remember that hosting typically means MP-WP which can tax a database if the traffic is there
BingoBoingo: Hence this is the stab at a basic box. Board widely available, has serial header, but only one ethernet port so not useful as router
trinque: for the simple webhosting and bothosting cases, of which there oughta be many, max-spec'd machine is not necessary
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic". << AHA, this is why cost of dedi box hosting not yet spec'd
trinque: yep, I will have to do some research there myself.
mircea_popescu: trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic".
mircea_popescu: that it meanwhile entirely failed isn't gonna percolate to orc bureaucrat heads within the remaining lifetime of teh empire.
BingoBoingo: trinque: To be determined. Datacenter wants me to get IPs through LACNIC, will assist in the application process, but not guaranteeing anything
BingoBoingo: trinque: That's the pricing I have figured out so far.
trinque: BingoBoingo: idea is we'll ship servers to you once there?
mircea_popescu: a yeah, pack a camera, you'll get to give my travel posts a run for their money eh.
BingoBoingo: AHA, hotel is pretty much the same wherever you hotel.
mircea_popescu: whatsoever works. coworker space, hostel, talk to the whores, talk to the students, as long as you talk to people...
BingoBoingo plans to start the networking with AA meetings, leverage that seekrit society
mircea_popescu: cool. build your network mostly, gotta know useful locals. don't waste your time with the losers more than it takes to discover loseracy.
mircea_popescu: look moar insistently lol, network that moved millions back when we were unseating the whore face couldn't have evaporated in less than a year eh.
mircea_popescu: did you check local bitcoins and whatnot to see how your cashflow promises to be there ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo trade teh bitcoin out then, buy your ticket, go there with a gangsta roll.
BingoBoingo: Not reserved yet. This is the sanity checking before reserving things.
mircea_popescu: dja get the tickets reserved/paid/what is it ?
mircea_popescu: aite, so you land in uruguay, find yourself student girlie helper + reasonable place to dorm in, then find lawyer get corp sorted out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at this point i'd rather give up trying to find non-tards online, go to lawyer in uruguay have it set up there. you can internetr just as well from uruguay as from illinois or what was it.
BingoBoingo: Searching for cheaper off the shelf corps, but none yet found
BingoBoingo: The goverment's fees for an SA are ~1500
BingoBoingo: worse case). Pls to let me know if sane, other expenses to expect, or if more fat to cut.
BingoBoingo: I am glad to offer: 6283 (or 5150, unclear yet if VAT'd) off the shelf SA corp including lawyer, notary, and accountant fees, 1500 to set up the rack, 600 to LACNIC as a nano size ISP for IP allotment, 5335 for first month's rack rent, 341 for fiscal address and space with lock 24/7 access to coffee pot, 1200 budgeted to switch and router (actual likely closer to half that), 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo (actual likely less budgeting
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo breakdown of that 19k is the paramount consideratyion here. be detailed.
asciilifeform: i can picture the backroom convo, 'hey how many zeros can we glue to the gringo's price'
BingoBoingo: Conversation did begin as they all did with 10 to 20 Gbps ask, moved to expected sustained transfer + headroom
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/ << Bingo Blog - TBI Mid November Update
mircea_popescu: "it's not the direct result of having a congress ?"
mircea_popescu: exactly the process of above, "make regulation to feel important about self in 1933, get new, wholly human made disease by 1973".
asciilifeform: ( process where various microbes were bred for biowar in su, was not wholly dissimilar from the meat sterilizer... )
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: oh also pretty great for revving up mutation in the surviving microbes
mircea_popescu: "running windows does not make the monitor punch me in the face, scientists have found. therefore windows legit os."
mircea_popescu: but "scientists have reviewed studies", plus denmark, plus the food does not become radioactive. SO ITS OK!
mircea_popescu: whoa, THAT is in the logs ?
mircea_popescu: in fairness not much different from showing the meat a lot of daytime tv.
mircea_popescu: it miught be, considering how terrible usda approved meat is these days.
mircea_popescu: i lost oxtail soup to these imbeciles, and i will take a pound of flesh and nothing else to make it right.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 18:35 ben_vulpes: but it couldn't happen, pantsuit tools clearly can only ever be used by them against their enemies
mircea_popescu: so you know, usg wants to talk about how "companies don't correctly account for their externalities and global warming", provided of course we don't talk about how usg doesn't correctly account for ITS externalities and kreutzfeld-jakobs.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that this is entirely factual, humans INVENTED a new, lethal disease for bos primigenus, BECAUSE retarded usg regulation has the unwelcome effect of responsibility divestment.
mircea_popescu: ie, nobody will ever say "mad cow disease exists because usda introduced mandatory milk pasteurization in 1933 taking advantage of the 'overproduction' of milk the usg generated artificially through fucking the currency"
mircea_popescu: so it is evidently counter-productive, not that anyone ever bothered to point this out.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the lower temp thing is 1933 standard, related to the hettinga thing. the process is designed to kill a pathogen that... you don't have to have, and well kept cows don't have.
asciilifeform: btw there exists a next step after this, and the typical 'flyover state' denizen already eats it : powder
mircea_popescu: (the difference is that 135/1s milk is shelf-stable for up to a year, whereas traditional 72degree/15s milk is shelf stable for maybe two weeks)
mircea_popescu: (chief difference being that heating milk to 135 degrees for a couppa minutes maillards most of the long fats ; whereas classical process, half that temperature, did not nor could not)
mircea_popescu: uht being "ultra-pasteurization" in the sense sysco is ultra-restaurantization
asciilifeform: the only way to get joiana-type in usa is to actually own a cow
asciilifeform: i had both in most recent voyage, could definitely tell the diff b/w joiana and conventional
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 03:41 mircea_popescu: and in other trilema antiques, http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-hein-hettinga-et-al-v-usofa/#selection-35.0-39.623
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 22:04 asciilifeform: and also the 'don't know history is like children who don't know their parent' thing
asciilifeform: meanwhile asciilifeform learned that the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728402 slogan originated from herr ceaușescu
mircea_popescu: and in other trilema antiques, http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-hein-hettinga-et-al-v-usofa/#selection-35.0-39.623
BingoBoingo digesting "Pimsleur" to train write head around core of language since... usuage at the BingoBoingo store tends to focus on small subset.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If I was housing myself in the rack instead of boxes
mircea_popescu: i believe the word is "monetizes".
asciilifeform: and invites chumper to install 'incognito internet browser plugin' and other joys
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/dsp50.html << 'amateur radio' people. but only linked for the hilarious javascript malware that the dumb schmuck ended up silently hosting, by using 'webcounter' , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P3ywj/?raw=true , results in loading http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z4dlh/?raw=true crapola ,
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 22:17 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739830 <- PeterL you are right in that problem with your rho was more subtle: it *should* set all lanes but it didn't because of how new coordinates were calculated; basically you lose old x in the process and end up calculating newY as 5*oldY instead of 2*oldX+3*oldY
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739930 << damn, kindergarten level mistake there. I am used to thinking like in python you can do x,y = y, x+y or whatever
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:45 phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind
asciilifeform: always ask 'what happens if the output and input are same memory'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 22:17 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739830 <- PeterL you are right in that problem with your rho was more subtle: it *should* set all lanes but it didn't because of how new coordinates were calculated; basically you lose old x in the process and end up calculating newY as 5*oldY instead of 2*oldX+3*oldY
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739930 << this was probably the most frequent logical mistake asciilifeform made when writing first draft of ffa ( in particular, the shifts )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 20:40 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739440 << Update on the proceeding, not-gypsy letter from self's current bank schedule to arrive in 7-10 days. Puts departure around December 1st. Hunting any other sources of delay out.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 19:18 PeterL: rho starts with setting Ar(0,0) to A(0,0), then loops over the rest of the Ar(0,1) to Ar(4,4) so the function does set all 25 lanes
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739830 <- PeterL you are right in that problem with your rho was more subtle: it *should* set all lanes but it didn't because of how new coordinates were calculated; basically you lose old x in the process and end up calculating newY as 5*oldY instead of 2*oldX+3*oldY
BingoBoingo: But smoother except for black men who have trouble understanding the mechanics of poisoning and aren't afraid to hide their ignorace through protest.
BingoBoingo: Occasional fool goes for "Kentucky 31" tall fescue instead and wonders why their yard looks like a weedy lime green wheat field later
mircea_popescu: the supply store, like a snowball!
BingoBoingo: Works smoothest with women under 40. Old women and old men protest most before surrendering.
BingoBoingo: Protests are met with explanations of their idea's inadequacies.
BingoBoingo sells grass seed like so: Are you starting over or overseeding? How big of an area of your covering? These two products are the only things regionally appropriate here. You will buy X bags of A or Y bags of B. Which do you want?
BingoBoingo: Also selling grass seed at the BingoBoingo store
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo learned teh hard sell at the school of hard knocks.
mircea_popescu: i r get notice this exists in proper text format, so let's put it in teh archive then http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/I%27m_a_Little_Bit_Country/Script
mircea_popescu: there's a great southpark episode explaining how this false dychotomy is intended to work in practice (i'm a bit couintry & im a bit rock and roll item)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739440 << Update on the proceeding, not-gypsy letter from self's current bank schedule to arrive in 7-10 days. Puts departure around December 1st. Hunting any other sources of delay out.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's this theory whereby usg oligarchy (ie, the pile of fundamentally corrupt underpinnings of the state, as all state ever is based on corruption nad naught else, which is why colonizers attempt to "root out corruption" in colonial posessions) is split into red section (raytheon and friends) and blue section (stanford and friends)
ben_vulpes: is there some 'color revolution' subtext to it as well?
asciilifeform: here applies to the 'soft power' species of usgcrat ( in contrast with 'red' , 'weapons of mass destruction!' species )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: exactly like every other 'let's tor, let's wank to isidora whorecraft watshername' folx, neh
mircea_popescu: (ie, the false belief that "i pushed - rock obeyed" is dangerous to the "successful" pusher first and foremost -- in a decade or two he finds himself in the laughable position of kerry & friends)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform unpacks a small crate of b00kz from ru, and finds that the rus-ro dictionary, shrinkwrapped, but inside : item from 1942 !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i'm rather doubtful as to actual usg involvement in that. seems a case of "hitchhiker comes across bute, pushes it into the chasm below". well, it's true that "hitchhiker pushed as hard as he could", but it's also true that he didn;t make or specifically find bute.
mircea_popescu is too lazy to dig the pics up. for all teh diff it makes...
asciilifeform: usg.blue quite like the stereotypical idjit gambler, wearing ancient crusty shirt he once jackpotted in
asciilifeform: they've been replaying the exact same program ever since it worked for killing the old shoemaker.
mircea_popescu: recall the pics with that tall schmuck and kerry pressed together into a us-made floating sardine can
mircea_popescu: how fucking dumb teh remains of usg.blue must be to re-do the ~exact~ ukraine failure is anyone's guess...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no need, saudis are rich. and unlike all the OTHER princes, this one totally uncorrupt and errything :D
asciilifeform: and naturally i have nfi what's in the second set of books they keep -- for all i know they ~did~ pay for that yacht.
mircea_popescu: if they find four more of the same thing, they can almost pay for that yacht the current saudi boy wonder beached while driving drunk coupla years ago.
asciilifeform: and noshit it isn't as if they pay in btc or gold, 100% printolade-powered item
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the number is ~same as say "ethereum market cap". if you trust the printers, it's whatever they print.
mircea_popescu: did they get moar "oh usg decided to "sell" keyhole to google thereby inqtel has a coupla mn dollars now" sortas items ?
asciilifeform: iirc i dug up & posted the tax filings from inqtel here a few yrs back
mircea_popescu: reich media/wikipedia greatly overstate both the reach and the capital available to teh gestapo.
asciilifeform: and at every no. but not so many of these.
mircea_popescu: nah, moar likely wife's father sorta deal.
mircea_popescu: hey. decisive beats piddly irrespective of any other considerations.
mircea_popescu: (~100% eth equivalent for the 2015 tardcrowd)
mircea_popescu: better than the doge fizzle.
mircea_popescu: the french approach : since we know we can't win, might as well burn the stack down in a memorable way.
ben_vulpes: i cannot fathom the confusion of ideas that would lead someone to say such a thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. pretty fucking epic keks. ethereum became a sort of jokecoin after the rape, which i suppose brings the moral home : rape is educative.
ben_vulpes: > Attempting to make it culturally and socially impossible for neonazis to migrate to the Etherum platform is, in my opinion, necessary for its survival. We cannot censor, but we can and must fight on every other level to dissuade these people from colonizing our utopian efforts.
mircea_popescu: too many failure levels. who the fuck is vinay gupta and what the fuck is ethereum to opine on things ?
mircea_popescu: rando indian is somehow in a position to speak for "ethereum", an on-again-off-again acquarium of rank imbeciles who couldnt manage to as much as paint the basement they inhabited, if it came to it ?
diana_coman: PeterL, hm; it seems though to end up with funny stuff if the output array is not initialised
PeterL: A being the input array and Ar being the output array; I was trying to follow notation as in the paper, but they use a and A, which ada does not allow
PeterL: rho starts with setting Ar(0,0) to A(0,0), then loops over the rest of the Ar(0,1) to Ar(4,4) so the function does set all 25 lanes
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 15:23 diana_coman: aand found the bug at least on this one: rho initialises Ar(0,0) BUT uses then first thing...Ar(1,0)
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739503 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NrPiu/?raw=true << the 0,0 row is not moved and not shifted (actually the paper calls it shifted by 0), I think the function should return full 0 state if fed a full 0 state
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> in other news, the anti-flirt brigade brought a democrat down today; "al franken" << Oh, is he the one who molested the black muscle guy?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: well, in that they're not so much tools as collected nonsense.
ben_vulpes: but it couldn't happen, pantsuit tools clearly can only ever be used by them against their enemies
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: tsmr as the only honest, straightforwards, USEFUL collection of humans I'm aware of...
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Still, watch the tv with friend. Have him check your count
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If your room has TV watch trashy daytime TV and count the commercials each lawyer has.
BingoBoingo: The key to the US med mal racket however, is speed. You call the fucking lawyer TODAY gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo having dated an aspiring stanford doctor -- is where the failed engineers go.
BingoBoingo: And the attraction of a Stanford for a doctor is exactly "take this salary, we'll put you on our insurance"
mircea_popescu: what's the take by now ? 45% ?
mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty sweet for them if they manage, imagine the wonder "either slave for us or die out in the insane wilds". ideal stanfordism. kinds see why they'd pretend like it's the case -- in the hopes one day they can make it be the case.
ben_vulpes: reminds me, i have my own willful violation of patient privacy case to get the ball rolling on
BingoBoingo: Specialist being exactly the sort of lawyer who runs ads on daytime tv
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They have not, but they will play like they have until you get specialist lawyer involved
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i have no idea what eldritch magick the stanford lawyer brigade has worked up
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Open a phone book. Find the second biggest lawyer ad (i.e. takes one whole page instead of two) call them. today
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ben_vulpes wait, wait, they came up with a loophole in the whole "Standard of care" scam ? "as long as you doctor for stanford, you get to opt out of the usg lawyer insanity" ?
ben_vulpes: because still on parental plan and they work at the department of bezzletronic edumacation ?
ben_vulpes: also, does your insurance somehow only cover the stanford hospital?
ben_vulpes: i wonder if there's some "we're a learning hospital, might kill ya, gonna bill ya" going on
BingoBoingo: Just haven't knocked the right door to find it yet?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes Stanford hospital is a scary place. They lied to me MANY times about how many xrays I'd get, that they'd let me get copies...
ben_vulpes: that's a pretty novice anaesthesia mistake
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> ben_vulpes grabbed edge but couldn't pull myself up. << Most other Americans can't do pull ups either.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You are going to get a lawyer. Your lawyer is going to probe the surgeon's colon with his suing member over that lung fluid thing. You will have money. Might as well rent some rackspace and grow your small business.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, gabriel_laddel How many rack units do you want to lease once lawyer loves the surgeon's butthole a bit?
gabriel_laddel: Fed me too much fluid prior to anaesthetic, which flooded lungs when knocked out. Ended up in ICU for 4 days.
trinque goes to perform constructive self harm at the gym
trinque: "they fucked up turning my chalk dust of a heel into a foot again"
ben_vulpes: how did you even come to fall off the roof, dude?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform surgon irritates me on a personal level + the first time stanford tried it, they fucked up
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel just go into er sometime that's not crazy (ie, not sunday at 4:10 am, not right after a shooting rampage etc. they'll sort it out)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: so waitasec wai hacking off own leg then
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Seriously get styling leather boots "Redwing Heritage" or sane world alternative (new, not broken in). Powder limb with with miconazole poweder and strap into the boot.
asciilifeform: the latter
mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was expecting self-hacking is in the pipeline since about a year ago.
BingoBoingo: Also if amputaing taking off only the foot leaves small selection of expensive annoying prostheses. Knee offers more options
mircea_popescu: the medieval standard is "saw the bone and sink the stump in hot oil". this works, but you'll pass out. has to be a third person.
trinque: what the fuck.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: What's going on with the foot?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ah sorry my bad, week/month nm << Number is strictly what the spot on the rack costs. Prototype "Basic Box" (AMD A8 5545 machine) should be arriving today for evaluation.
gabriel_laddel: Anyone who gives me good resources (pubmed refs etc) can have the video whenever I get around to it
gabriel_laddel: Speaking of which, am going to be performing self-amputation of right foot as it is in the way + I don't trust or want US doctors.
asciilifeform: if you remove the div0 trap from ffa, you end up likewise with a reg full of 1s. it's what knuth division produces when given a 0 divisor.
mircea_popescu: what i mean is : the fact that div by 0 produces a non-uniform distribution of bits in the register suggests to me that it is NOT as flagless as it aims to pretend.
asciilifeform: to say 'error flag' is not in line with reality of the situation -- the only correct answer to div-by-0 is eggog. and eggog != 'returns a value just like actual non-by-0 division might'
asciilifeform: '-1 was value seen in other simple implementations and drops out of simple hardware implementations.'
mircea_popescu: twas a dubious time, lots got killed in the war, which is how eg lithuania ended up with ~none
asciilifeform: es the desired behavior' didjaknow!
asciilifeform: 'The lack of a carry bit complicates multiple-precision arithmetic – GMP, MPFR ... RISC-V does not detect or flag most arithmetic errors, including overflow, underflow and divide by zero ... Most popular programming languages do not support checks for integer overflow, partly because most architectures impose a significant runtime penalty to check for overflow on integer arithmetic and partly because modulo arithmetic is sometim
mircea_popescu: ah, right, post-ww2 reorg of gypsies also produced the gelem gelem thing
mircea_popescu: not exactly. the place where pacepas went before dc was established, cca 1970s/1980s
asciilifeform: loldon, the go-to leprosorium for 'governments in exile' of all sorts, eh
mircea_popescu: they did lift a 1930s "gypsies of romania" congress flag tho.
mircea_popescu: ah, the whole "let's call gypsies romani now" thing ?
asciilifeform: 'risc-v' is a well-crafted attempt to steal the name, much like gypsies tried to steal even the name of the country they lived in
mircea_popescu: "this cisc thing is too complex,. make a simple one" "why, so there can within a decade 'exist' a thousand different simplicities ?"
mircea_popescu: can we not talk about it anymore when discussing risc ? the concept isn't actually without merit, as such.
asciilifeform: they also managed to waste the time of compiler back-end people, linux kernel folx, etc. with it.
asciilifeform: moar concretely they go around propagandizing that if you build a fpga board you gotta use it, because 'mips is patented' ( in what country ? even in usa patent is 25y ) or 'risc-v is simplest' ( uh, nope ) and other idiocy.
asciilifeform: it is 'used' for 'being The Next Troo Libre RMStronic Cpu Arch'
mircea_popescu: no moar BL NV/EQ either ?
mircea_popescu: so there's no SWI in rms-risc ?
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a lot i don't understand.
asciilifeform: but not the Troo RMS Linux Phoundation risc .
asciilifeform: other riscs.
asciilifeform: and, it gets 'better', risc-v is the Official(tm)(r) OpenSores cpu arch.
asciilifeform: with the extra xor and sub etc.
mircea_popescu: ok this must be the dumbest thing i heard this week.
mircea_popescu: what pipeline ? the cpu execution pipeline ?
asciilifeform: the sheer epic cixi...
asciilifeform: 'it ruins the pipeline'
asciilifeform: the wreckers DELIBERATELY, unabashedly wrecked bignum performance for all time on their idiot shitiron
mircea_popescu: aand in the same vein : http://www.ada-programming.info/ASM_86_file_for_use_with_GNAT_for_MS_DOS_jQxM.html
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the ms-dos gnat compiler ? also gcc ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: history is traditionally anti-valuable to the plebs.
asciilifeform: standard compliance (we also had thread) is a massively underappreciated thing. it is why, e.g., diana_coman was able to take the serpent thing and build it, cleanly and without change, 20+yrs after its writing
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: it isn't a straight imbecile mapping to the idjit cmachine cpu, as c is.
asciilifeform: but as we discussed in old thread, the single most serious problem of ada, is that it is quite difficult to implement an adatron. esp if you actually go for standard compliance.
mircea_popescu: well, the part that's ada is ada and the part that dun work or isn't wanted in ada... isn't ada.
asciilifeform: you lose the guarantees.
mircea_popescu: and so back to the original, there can't "not be alternatives" to gnat. leaving aside the in principle argument, there's alternative by example : expose the cpu instruction and woe to anyone who won't/can't/doesn't.
mircea_popescu: if the convention can be "you'll need a serial capable machine", as it HAS to can be, then convention can also be "you'll need a cpu with ror/rol implemnented". whether it is decided to make it so has no bearing on whether it could be decided to make it so. that's a 1 : it could be.
mircea_popescu: to put the point on its proper footing : convention is convention, no different than any other convention. convention doth not become physical law through wide adoption, irrespective how extensive that wideness, in headcount, time, whatever.
apeloyee: on novel physical substrate << you must be designing not just post-quantum, but post-thermodynamic crypto. :P
apeloyee: motherfuckers, there is not a single comp made in 40 years that doesn't have a carry flag. << *excluding non-actual computers.
asciilifeform: but the logical protocol is classical rs232, 115200/8/1/noparity.
asciilifeform: you likewise need exactly same voltage converter for pogo , and most other small devices.
asciilifeform: if you dun have serial, you dun have a comp, in entirely the same way that if you cannot read latin letters you are not literate.
asciilifeform: back to rs232 -- it's the lingua franca . not the most snobbish ibm mainframe (which even eschewed ascii) , nor the most orcish bk0010 , nobody, ever omitted serial port. until 2010s, obummer-era pc junk.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i never grasped the lunacy of 'standard with optional pieces'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rs232 is a 1960s standard, and doesn't go away simply because wintel stopped including the plug on the mobo. and world's simplest and most widely-supported standard for digital comms, moar so than ethernet ( i have whole pile of devices with 0 nic but several serialports ) , and will remain, regardless of what wintel does.
apeloyee: it's a part of the standard, but, sadly, optional.
asciilifeform: but the latter is to be the reference, and the former -- i 'hand compile' ~from~ the reference