shinohai: the "last_fork_height" = last reorg since whoever made most recent mooncoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dudes implemented their own json thing.
shinohai: id rather get 10k btc for me :D
asciilifeform: ( ignoring for a moment the fact that if shitreich subject walks in with 1 btc, they will give 5k usd to him and 5k to clitler )
mircea_popescu: let's just say that the principal military function of leadership is the management of the enemy perception of weakness.
asciilifeform: ignoring for a moment the folly of formulating btc-usd as a scalar ( picture if somebody were to show up with a million-btc buy or sell, say ) -- i have nfi what the actual, honest number is , nor any clue as to where such a thing might even be hidden
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
mircea_popescu: in which sense, ethereum (not as the item, but as the prion set) is necessary for bitcoin to go into the millions. just a step on teh road.
mircea_popescu: and in 2014 they still had too much bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the "cypherpunks" or "internet experts" or whatever you call the genetically stunted, phenotypically inferior apes depicted eg in http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ are not in any way different from those indians of yore.
mircea_popescu: this trading as a bloc means, importantly, that the political and legal framework changes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform leaving reality aside, i can readily show in a snowglobe model how it's a problem. so, some indians (by which derrogatory term we denote genetically stunted, phenotypically inferior apes with some superficial semblance of humanity) had their "land" token inflated by events into great value cca 1600.
mircea_popescu: " Consider that the market is currently pricing Bitcoin over 10k as a 114.19/73.69 sort of proposition. That's right : the open market valuation of the notion that Bitcoin will go over 10`000 USD this year is not so much worse than even odds."
asciilifeform: i'm not equipped to say whether this is a problem
asciilifeform: which 2017 ? hypothetical bubbleocalypse ?
asciilifeform: the loss grows 4evah.
asciilifeform: and mouse could live for a century on the flakes of skin that fall of the elephant, why not.
mircea_popescu: one could live comfortably out of all the hazard-for-6-yos items i lose apparently.
mircea_popescu: nfi where they went, possibly chick ended up swallowing.
mircea_popescu: you know i managed to lose the pair ?
asciilifeform: lol i half-expected the cufflinks to read 'btc'
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you happen to have a copy of bolix's adatron src ? dun look like it's on the classical disk set, at least not in src form.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-16 15:59 asciilifeform: 'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'
asciilifeform: which made the allocated memory too small by 4 bytes. The last struct member of the last object within the memory area could then be outside... ' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom ! https://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_2017-af0a.html >> 'libcurl contains an out boundary access flaw in SSL related code. When allocating memory for a connection (the internal struct called connectdata), a certain amount of memory is allocated at the end of the struct to be used for SSL related structs ... The math used to calculate the extra memory amount necessary for the SSL library was wrong on 32 bit systems,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could you just write emacs mode to fix the spacing/style ? possibly cheaper than sawing gnat apart.
mircea_popescu: could be the criterion.
asciilifeform: ( i also haven't fully verified that the self-building mode is able to insert ~no~ spurious deps, in stock gnat )
asciilifeform: there is a mode ( see also log ) where it doesn't insert anything, that is used traditionally to compile gnat itself. but there it hard-enforces adacore's weird style scheme, and cannot be forced not to. i'ma have to patch.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 06:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 << what failed ? teh very detailed discussion of each of these 3, MEGA blog fodder.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744066 << ~all the detail in yesterday's log. gnat inserts dependencies on the rts even when not only not used but pragma-restricted against e.g. secondarystack, elaboration, stringism, taskism
asciilifeform: including the oblig 'hey, i get away with it' 'because you ain't under the microscope'
asciilifeform: i dun need a barrel of green for anything ( the only place i can spend it here, is the veggie market. and at airport they confiscate any over 10k . ) nor is depositolade in usgbank of any use, obummer immediately claims half
asciilifeform: the only thing asciilifeform would ever consider spending coinz on, is a perma-ticket out of the shitreich.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 05:27 mats: well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 22:14 asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket.
asciilifeform: ( there is not , for perfectly fundamental reasons, a compiler that can be blindly trusted -- to work correctly, not even speaking of thompsonism here )
asciilifeform: safety-critical coad gets binaudited, even in heathendom
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 17:24 asciilifeform: ^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ << Trilema - Why is "fighting corruption" the pantsuit callsign ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 16:02 mircea_popescu: i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart.
mircea_popescu: "For documentation, see the GNAT sources." bwahaha
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:48 asciilifeform: ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 << what failed ? teh very detailed discussion of each of these 3, MEGA blog fodder.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 23:30 BingoBoingo: What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743982 you know, "all is forgotten in 3 years", like the jews' ancient "7 year festival"
ben_vulpes: remember the good old days of bank deposits?
mats: you could hawala if you don't want to give up your PII to the guy
mats: well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book
asciilifeform: for some they move rembrandts, for others , like yours truly, they confiscate $5 package of screws.
BingoBoingo: What, there's no route for earnestly living there and waiting for that next zero in .ro ?
BingoBoingo: Quite the thrashing crashing
asciilifeform: ( and yes with a c 'main.c' , otherwise motherfucker dun even have any idea where .code seg starts )
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dpo8I/?raw=true << sample rts eggogology , to round out the thread.
asciilifeform: it aint just exceptions, either. gnat happily ignores the fact that strings package isn't used, and inserts a dependency on it for the linker to barf on. ditto tasks, and a dozen other.
asciilifeform: granted it's a standard lib, and contains various items like the ( spiffy, but i dun use it in p !!! ) threading system
asciilifeform: i'ma have to do it after ffa/p tho. but really this is ridiculous, the built binaries are not auditable until we extirpate the ball of nonsense.
asciilifeform: the tentative conclusion : asciilifeform is condemned to take ownership of gnat, and burn out the nonsense with hot irons.
asciilifeform: which means that none of my code even builds, because gnat then insists on adacore's idiotic massive-extra-spaces-everywhere stylistics.
asciilifeform: 'Internal GNAT implementation mode. This should not be used for applications programs, it is intended only for use by the compiler and its run-time library. For documentation, see the GNAT sources. Note that -gnatg implies -gnatw.ge and -gnatyg so that all standard warnings and all standard style options are turned on. All warnings and style messages are treated as errors.'
asciilifeform: the docs ( https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/building_executable_programs_with_gnat.html ) but gnu's agree give us:
asciilifeform: now for the ultimate barf :
asciilifeform: and ditto package Ada ( exceptions ) and pretty much the rest of your rts
asciilifeform: ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. )
asciilifeform: but then welcome to an inner circle of hell, because it's a mass of ??? interdependently glued to itself with broken glass
asciilifeform: so the next logical thing is, you go and find where yer gnat's a-except.adb/ads live, and try and backport'em, right ?
asciilifeform: the approach to making a rts ( gnatruntime ) from 0, depicted in e.g. https://github.com/alkhimey/Ada_Kernel_Module_Toolkit works -- but does not result in a ffa-usable rts , because the boundschecking exceptionhandlers are not present.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 18:36 asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
asciilifeform: supposedly this is one of the items included in the 'pro' payware gnat. and they have made re-creating it as painful as they could.
asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
BingoBoingo: What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines?
mircea_popescu: apparently the expectation is that 3 year rule.
BingoBoingo: Poor The20YearIRCloud , insufficient ratings to bid for colo space
mircea_popescu: !!reputation The20Year
mircea_popescu: !!ratings The20Year
The20YearIRCloud: possibly, it was just the20year earlier
mircea_popescu: rather i expect new name ?
mircea_popescu: !!key The20YearIRCloud
mircea_popescu: !!ratings The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: 0.5 was fantastically generous at the time (It was like $50 if memory serves me right), but like i said, and I could find the chat log, i was (And continue to deal with) idiots on a daily basis
The20YearIRCloud: I'll let em know. For some reason I have t his awful feeling they'll be more apt for that then to take the freebie offered years ago
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 03:39 mircea_popescu: somehow if the usg website comes up with "it's illegal to smoke", they stop smoking, AS FUCKING IF. whereas when the republic orders, they "have options".
mircea_popescu: but hey, 0.5 was also VERY generous ; and in general everything i do is. meanwhile the fucktards http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743513
mircea_popescu: i have paid for so many posters... what is this, the pili thing ?
The20YearIRCloud: The posters you paid for, ~3yrs ago
mircea_popescu: the who ?
The20YearIRCloud: (Thus me finding the chat again)
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I had someone ask about those posters if they were valid today, oddly enough
mircea_popescu: at least cursory familiarity with the poisonous plants pre-required
BingoBoingo: And not all gardening is food. There's also the decorative gardens for getting randy with the ladies
BingoBoingo: Hey, if the Gods raid your playing god patch with a bunch of voracious bunny rabbit mobs, then you've gardened delicious rabbit
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
mircea_popescu: the trick with Gods is that they're not fucking Atlas, supporting the world on own shoulder each and every day or else. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448124 very much apropos.
BingoBoingo: And smite the ones you spot, learn from the experience and bring a better game next season. Very much a resistance of the medium sorta thing.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << I suspected it was the appeal of contest in attempting to carve out a local space where one tries to out-God the Gods
The20YearIRCloud: Not so much, just wondered what happened to the exchange, or if i'm missing something
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: looking for anything in particular ?
deedbot: The20YearIRCloud voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up The20YearIRCloud
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> the responsible disclosure whining is pretty lolarious << very.
mircea_popescu: this is what's gonna be the new response to police "arrest" : you DID first send a PM right ?
mircea_popescu: the expectation on the part of the usg drones that usg gets a private first pass for being usg is something else.
ben_vulpes: the responsible disclosure whining is pretty lolarious
asciilifeform: iirc stopped with the frigates when su so ordered.
mircea_popescu: if hruschev went "well, it's up to castro", then defended.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall castro making any decision in the kennedy ultimatum, at any juncture.
mircea_popescu: ended in the 70s, so not really.
mircea_popescu: (the geostrategic situation, for the very understandably disinterested, is that usg can not maintain pretense of mediteranean presence without ground missiles in constanta, because the ru navy actually works whereas the us clittorals do not.)
mircea_popescu: somehow the idiots didn't see that whole thing for the trap it was. "first, let them build it, doh"
asciilifeform: captured for what? the 'corruption' racket ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is "we captured the ro judiciary, the wave turned, we're trying to defend this asset for now".
mircea_popescu: ftr : romanian "protests" entirely usg fabrication, https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/11/275899.htm etc. the way this gets implemented in practice is that local usg-alligned orcs "leverage their network". which in romania is a few kids with "network skillz", ie two bit "blackhatwordld" injuns/niggers.
ben_vulpes: "we don't have any real news!" "eh, let them filter spam."
mod6: Let them filter spam.
asciilifeform: 'The common notification from Facebook was that the post was under review to see if it breached the community standards. Other posts about the protests were suspected by Facebook of being spam.' << lol!!
ben_vulpes: and in other censorsheeps http://www.business-review.eu/news/certain-facebook-users-in-romania-see-content-related-to-street-protests-reviewed-under-community-standards-153255
asciilifeform: to the extent they actually do something other than generate and post random numbers -- sure
mircea_popescu: the gox ppls!
asciilifeform: eh to quote mircea_popescu , who the hell cares what happens at a gox
mircea_popescu: tractor, while just as real as oxplow, is nevertheless no kind of oxplow ; sewing machine, while just as sewy as sewing by hand, nevertheless not a mechanical sewing hand ; airplane, while just as aflight as bird, nevertheless not mechanical wing flapper. and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:30 asciilifeform: 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:42 asciilifeform: i'd naively expect that adacore's item would be the satanic one, and gcc's fork -- the functional. but so far in no case was this the finding.
mod6: basically my mental picture of the whole thing
asciilifeform: the former seem to exist solely by mooching from the latter -- who largely eat from usg
asciilifeform: and i dun have any particular warm feelings for either set of derps
asciilifeform: on some far-away planet, there is a standard sane os and language standards cover linking.
asciilifeform: mod6: it's an afaik unjustifiable divergence in how the 2 gnats' 'gprbuild' util behaves.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:40 asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform is barfing over the fact that adacore's gnat is happy to build static 'independent library' .a while gpl gcc's gnat barfs
asciilifeform: but it's a trivially discoverable fact, for people who actually bothered with the subj beyond chitchat.
asciilifeform: ( i'm rot13 the answ to riddle : gurer vf ab xabja jnl gb thnenagrr na vavgvny jbeyq fgngr gung qbrfa'g dhvpxyl pbairetr vagb n svkrq fgrnql fgngr, be n ernfbanoyl fubeg ybbc (juvpu tvirf gevivnyyl oernxnoyr pvcuregrkg) -- vg vf rknpgyl gur fnzr vgrz nf gur 'lrf vg'f na ac-pbzcyrgr ceboyrz, ohg ubj gb thnenagrr gung n enaqbzyl trarengrq vafgnapr vf abg gevivny?' )
asciilifeform: witness the traditional 'tlp' symptoms of walking around with no inclination to ~try~ such a thing, or anything at all, with own hands, and see why this dun work with any known automaton ruleset ( do i have to say why, or readers already know ? )
asciilifeform: i'll recount an episode recently reported by asciilifeform's pet, on reconnaissance into a heathen pit . two d00dz argued re 'post-rsa crypto'. and one drew forth from his sleeve an erudite wankery, n-th generation stolen from thel0gz! : 'why not cipher using playing field of cellular automaton, say, game of life, initial state as key...'
asciilifeform: when folx begin to see reality as 'read-only', they retreat into full-bore (b) .
asciilifeform: there's 2 possible uses of abstraction -- a) to move between places in reality phase space that aren't walkable to via greedy algorithm ( e.g. tractor is not a minor refinement on horse-drawn plow ) b) to pull own cock
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 23:06 asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing.
asciilifeform: see possibly also the thread with faraday and his magnetic field lines.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to see things thatr aren't there. for as long as you live in the world of things that are there. once you move to living in the unreal...
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem, as that wise doctor pointed out, isn't when you start hearing voices, but when you start talking back.
asciilifeform: this also. and the detritus eventually clogs the arteries of whatever culture produced it.
asciilifeform: there might still be a few chukchas left somewhere who properly practice the virtue of 'never see a thing that ain't there' . the folx who shown a novel answer 'why'
mircea_popescu: which incidentally provides the explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742829 as plain as day.
mircea_popescu: wankery is the adolescentine state whereby the things we don't look at aren't there because the power of our imagination makes the playboy girl real!
asciilifeform: well if defining walking around with an unenclosed cock as necessarily wankery -- then yes
asciilifeform: 0 cows in either
asciilifeform: i'll point out, for completeness, the traditional alternatives of: the bottle, and the library
mircea_popescu: there's no going back to a state of innocence, whereby "we don't know what's at the end of the earth". thereby, there's no going back to a state where we will ever do anything other than sift through herds looking for the accidentally lost woman in an inexplicable sheepskin.
mircea_popescu: all "sawing through the cage" proposals i've seen to date (and a major part of what i do is look for exactly that) consist of either idle wankery (german philosophy school etc) or else "here's how to cut a two inch hole in the wall, stick a paper bag out of there, and duct tape it to the hole from outside". ty... but... this replaces a wall with a paper bag ? "yes, but it goes FURTHER OUT!!" sure, but i still know it like my
asciilifeform: the herdemoocracy narrative is that steam power made clitler inescapable. i dun buy.
asciilifeform: sawing through the cage.
asciilifeform: there's also such a thing as countermodernity tho
mircea_popescu: this being the only proper definition of modernity : man after finally having walked the perimeter of his cage.
mircea_popescu: modernity is modernity, there's no out of it. once you walked around your cage, it's walked, there's no undoing it.
mircea_popescu: and in the sense that he has the choice to either put mangers in and fill them every winter or be forest walker ; and that he either obeys "hunting season" or idem ; and so on.
asciilifeform: in the sense of him being a tentacle on a gigantic farming-powered civilization, that made his rifle, his shirt, his truck -- yea
mircea_popescu: gatherer as opposed to farmer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion is anachronistic, in the sense that it compares a "hunter" cut out of the 10k years ago subsistence hunter contained in the expression hunter-gatherer with the modern farmer. you can't cross time boundries like that. modern hunter is modern in exactly the same way modern farmer is modern, and for the same reasons. historical "farmer" is just as primitive as the hunter, which is why it's even called
asciilifeform: it may even already be the case that the cost of a ~proper~ (i.e. non-poisoned) vegetable in usgdom from the specialty shop, counting the multiple taxation (of yer own money, as 'income', of the sale, as state 'sales tax', of the growers', of the landlord's, etc ) layers, equals or exceeds the cost of growing it with own hands in a garden.
asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
a111: Logged on 2014-01-19 19:48 mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep".
asciilifeform: quite a few folx, esp. the mentally limited, are irresistibly drawn to anything that smells of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449500
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << i suspect... marx! has the pill here. entfremdung der arbeit (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: farmer pushes the boulder uphill, and is stuck with 9000 types of 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' (tm)(r) chores.
asciilifeform: hunter takes the forest as it is; farmer otoh is running a pretend-herdemoocracy-forest where calorie-dense seeds appear in rather unlikely densities ( as reviewed in http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain )
mircea_popescu: hunter, concerns, inasmuch as he bothers to notice frog is frog does not shoot at frog ; farmer, doesn't concern, in asmuch as doesn't go out picking thistle.
asciilifeform: and stuck with the chore of running a faux ecosystem with own hands, feeding the defective piglets to the proper ones, etc
asciilifeform: hunter doesn't concern himself with every piece of fungus in the forest, he walks in and shoots the tastiest-looking thing he knows how to get a bead on, neh
mircea_popescu: do you think these categories are distinguishable ? modern hunter === modern farmer.
asciilifeform: the saeculum, presided over by various herdemoocracies etc ?
asciilifeform: i've nfi from what. from the wild.
mircea_popescu: and they come from what ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:22 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, pre-communism romania had private land ownership, resulting in "tarani" as the genertal noun not having any land.
asciilifeform: re peasants -- dim-witted westerners of prev generation ( current ones have nfi and dun give half a shit even if you plug'em into the mains wiring ) thought that somehow communism happened because of malevolent martians landing, rather than from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743681
asciilifeform: or other selected, exotic beasts. but surely not cow.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:20 mircea_popescu: consider what the (immensely popular at the time) item says : "la tarani le-a luat pamintul, la studenti le-a luat cuvintul, la soferi le-a luat benzina, la prosti le facea cu mina". ie, the peasants HAD land. how ? when ? without the fucking communists the usg-alligned maniu, bratianu & friends would be STILL dithering over minor land distributions. exactly like the usgstan does.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743673 << in ru , 'the glory of the ancien regime' types get the label 'хруст французской булки'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:14 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, peasants of 1800 did not have the option of plastic or they'd have taken it just the same; that being said I still recall the communist-ro going precisely that route e.g. have now this here wonderful soya-oil just as good as the "true thing" which supposedly was... sunflower oil because nobody was supposed to even remember olive oil
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743653 << you'd be quite surprised at the variety of faux-olive oils in usa. errything from avocado to old tyres, i suspect
a111: Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 12:58 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743518 prolly needs to be addressed better than the original "i wouldn't give a shit" : i'm ready to take over the governance of the entire world from the hands of the inept pretenders of today, as of yesterday. the result would be very ~different~, yes, but that's irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: "pioneer the japanese corp is now growing tomatoes"
mircea_popescu: o look, it's in there, some "professor of publishing".
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 18:05 asciilifeform: in other noose, sci-hub.cc dun resolve nomoar.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1742144 << >> https://archive.is/LHmQD
mircea_popescu: discussions of "rape" in the public space today, as discussions of "unfairness" in the same public space a century ago are then all meaningless in the direct, simple manifestations of a doomed culture. "oh noes, our precious imaginary superiority was insulted by reality, there's a hole in the matrix through which you can perceive you AREN'T the single playing character in a WoWoW".
mircea_popescu: and turn it as i might, i can't separate the former from the hallucination of self-determination. rural "king of the world" in decayed to death sicily, dying british empire, romania throughout and recently the us cultural space imagines himself... in a position to... MAKE DECISIONS!!! has options! may at his leisure obey republic or not. and so on.
mircea_popescu: there are inept places full of self-important idiots (imparati in ancient trilema lingo) where defection is the only available strategy.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i suspect this goes right to babbage's point. to paraphrase, "i prefer living in america because when i explain something the british idiots dedicate themselves to rpoving to me orally how it couldn't work while the yanks are strictly focused on how it could be sold)
mircea_popescu: (the subtler point being that look, romanians not even capable of administering their own beerhall, what farm machinery)
diana_coman: my point was there were none in his village/that he had a chance to even see at work /as an option before screwing it all and leaving rather than anything else
diana_coman: I'm sure there were machines at that time, yes
diana_coman: he was born in 1920; fwiw even now in villages I still see them manually doing the work, what can I say
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they had it ; leaving aside the "check out us/canada machinery cca 1920", they had it in romania. http://trilema.com/2011/romanii-sunt-cam-fraieri/ printed item had advertisements on other side.
diana_coman: I don't think he realised/understood/perceived the option or he'd have gone for it as far as I can tell otherwise
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 04:03 mircea_popescu: ie, nobody will ever say "mad cow disease exists because usda introduced mandatory milk pasteurization in 1933 taking advantage of the 'overproduction' of milk the usg generated artificially through fucking the currency"
mircea_popescu: (because yes, that's the competitive explanation of "idiocy" such as say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740001 : people genuinely, and literally, and most absolutely HATE nature. and for good cause and perfectly defensible reasons)
mircea_popescu: yes but field work, such as wheat, is very amenable to mecanization. gardening, barely if at all. if you hate the idiocy of mother nature (which i fuklly understand, caragiale's "da, duioasa mama ce-i drept... trebuie numa' s-o bati sa-i singerezi sinul pina sa se-ndure sa-ti dea o picatura de lapte..." is a great understatement, there's nothing more loatefuly and despicable than "mother" nature) you'd expect you'd prefer its
diana_coman: yes, there were trees too, grapes, place to eat outside etc; but still!
diana_coman: so it wasn't either work or mud that he ran away from; it really was as he stated it the idiocy
diana_coman: and ftr he always kept a perfectly well-worked garden ; at some point he even sold his produce in the market
mircea_popescu: an interesting application of http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ i guess! guy came up with the correct strategy, and tried to implement.
diana_coman: well yes, funnily enough his family was certainly poorer than those on the other side, yes; still, he actually made more for himself overall
diana_coman: nope, he went away as young lad with pretty much whatever he could find; he tried them all from religious missionaries/sects/whatevers to singing; in the end he settled in town and worked as a worker in a factory, saved, bought some land, built the house *with his own hands* etc
diana_coman: his words, I heard them lots
diana_coman: the "idiotic work" and "fucking potato soup"
mircea_popescu: the mud ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the criticism is that "he reduced land diffusion, in that changed a situation where 10% owned some land to a situation where 0% owned some land"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, pre-communism romania had private land ownership, resulting in "tarani" as the genertal noun not having any land.
diana_coman: and the farm land pretty much same way
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 17:03 mircea_popescu: and then in spite of "political control" ie "containment policy" romania operated it's OWN gulf concessions with its own machinery and shipped the oil on its own boats made in its own factories.
mircea_popescu: in 1940 romania "had" gasoline in the sense whore has money : as a temporary conveyance, between the time punter gives it to her to take to the pimp and the time pimp gets it. in 1980 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737815 and yet... ceausescu TOOK the driver's gasoline ? which they naturally had, somehow, as their birthright ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm; my great grandfather settled in Baragan on land that *his* father bought specifically for his sons;and the land was not 500m garden hut included either
mircea_popescu: students had the speech ? in the sense of what everloving shit, like reddit and wikipedia, that's what's contemplated here, ceausescu prevented the idiots from running r/btc as they wanted to ?
mircea_popescu: consider what the (immensely popular at the time) item says : "la tarani le-a luat pamintul, la studenti le-a luat cuvintul, la soferi le-a luat benzina, la prosti le facea cu mina". ie, the peasants HAD land. how ? when ? without the fucking communists the usg-alligned maniu, bratianu & friends would be STILL dithering over minor land distributions. exactly like the usgstan does.
diana_coman: rather: for cheapest available that still retains the *form* of what it's supposed to be, at least to some degree; otherwise they could go barefoot one would think
diana_coman: I don't doubt it; precisely my point above: they will go for whatever is cheapest available regardless of anything else
mircea_popescu: yep. but ppl wore them.
mircea_popescu: the problem with unsystematic preservation -- teh internets dun seem to contain.
diana_coman: somehow not-leather meant not-shoe; and tbh romania really was good at making leather shoes so dunno
diana_coman: at the time
diana_coman: no, I don't; we always had leather shoes/sandals and I suppose I did not really notice much what others had for shoes
diana_coman: I remember plain and honest mud-country "gumari" and I still hated them, lol
mircea_popescu: nah, 100% injected plastic sandals for little girls. well boys too i guess, if they were faggots.
mircea_popescu: they had these whole-plastic sandals for little girls. which poor girls wore, and which were an insta-ban from mp's circles.