1003800;1569349267;diana_coman;lobbes: try re-login now
1003801;1569349441;lobbes;diana_coman: seems to do the trick!
1003802;1569349486;diana_coman;lobbes: good then, I'll put it on the list to disable it on all new accounts.
1003803;1569349499;lobbes;tyvm for your help troubleshooting
1003804;1569349502;diana_coman;yw
1003805;1569349811;shrysr;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003794 << you [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-24#999269][disabled visual editor] ..that works for me since I write in org mode markup and export to html for younghands posts. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-24#999260][Visual mode had no formatting options] iirc.
1003806;1569349812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-24 14:34:44 diana_coman: shrysr: how did the visual/html thing get sorted out for you on younghands.club in the end?
1003807;1569349812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-07-24 09:47:00 diana_coman: I've deactivated the visual editor for you so hopefully you get only the html one
1003808;1569349812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-07-24 09:45:00 shrysr: yes I see both tabs. HTML is greyed out. presuming the visual mode is active - but there's just a text input box, with no formatting option.
1003809;1569349818;shrysr;ah ok
1003810;1569351914;shrysr;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003732 << lol. Okayish. The activity level/balance is still not as desired... but I've been making sure to have 'something decent' to show / explain for 'spot-whaddya-doing-questions'. I've also got the erp consultant doing some init work to jumpstart me into 'jinja' templating or whatever..to enable custom print formats of docs. I guess it will be useful
1003811;1569351914;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-24 13:45:42 diana_coman: shrysr: how's it going with your mine work too?
1003812;1569351916;shrysr;as exposure... fwiw (considering volatility) had brief run in with head orcs yest, it would seem that despite their init stupid remarks - my message did get across and they appear kindda satisfied. I guess, i'm a little surprised. fwiw - i am expecting activity level to reach the desired level once the plan to address skill deficit becomes clear as well.
1003813;1569352629;diana_coman;shrysr: ok.
1003814;1569353878;diana_coman;shrysr: just in case it wasn't clear - I asked you re work-at-mines just to make sure you are keeping on top of that too, that's all; from what you say, you are, hence ok.
1003815;1569354597;shrysr;diana_coman: yes I understood it as you just said, and totally appreciate you asking tbh. its definitely a danger point for me esp in current env, i.e neglecting it.. previous mines usually had somebody looking into things and better definitions of tasks... or lol, cd be said had some buffer against being shredded.. sure i align a reason for everything i do, but i guess I havent exp this extent of
1003816;1569354599;shrysr;mine-orcs-blindness perhaps.. its hard to keep up morale.
1003817;1569354814;diana_coman;shrysr: well, you need to keep an eye on it and not neglect it until you can move on.
1003818;1569354948;shrysr;yes. I will.
1003819;1569355698;shrysr;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003718 << to some extent perhaps. I guess I've faced this particularly w.r.t data-hag - therez no 'standard' way of doing things.... and bucket-loads of hype.. It was terribly unsettling for a long time and thankfully much less so now. It's taken a long time to identify shit as shit and filter it and feel reassured that i'm not entirely on the wrong path
1003820;1569355698;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-24 13:37:23 diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw, it may be that you don't feel comfortable working with uncertainty essentially; it is curable, mainly through practice.
1003821;1569355700;shrysr;in terms of prep/thinking. [https://archive.is/QKkEf][Good example] of filtering, which is how I found Matt Dancho.. and got a jumpstart in R through his courses and interacting with him. I've literally seen that 80-20 package list work via the erp project.... helped as well that he has a mech engg bg like me and is quite honest in interactions.
1003822;1569357196;diana_coman;shrysr: as a basic rule, the "our quest is to prove these theories" is ~= "we are idiots"
1003823;1569357423;diana_coman;shrysr: I know the appeal of "data-based approach" and "scientific analysis" but the substance is not at all solid just because "analysed data" or "it seems to work";
1003824;1569357499;diana_coman;basically the danger is that by the time you get to understand enough to even be able to see the ways in which the thing you bought from them is broken, it's way too late to not get hurt by it.
1003825;1569357593;diana_coman;this is why it's actually *safer* to ignore all of them *especially* when you don't know anything about the domain; it's counterintuitive and possibly depressing, I know; it still is what it is.
1003826;1569359940;shrysr;i see your point. fwiw i don't think it is counter intuitive, if approached with sense ( and a great deal of it). However, it would also seem that not getting hurt/ being able to 'see as not solid' is largely abt keeping wits/open mind and not getting sucked into what is being bought right? You can ignore them all, but to learn - you need to find either a master, or a book or course.. or of course job.
1003827;1569359942;shrysr;Books /course are obv easiest to find... and even there it takes time to filter.
1003828;1569394412;diana_coman;shrysr: if you can indeed spot all that it being bought for what it actually is, then yes, it works; but then, if you can actually do that, you can equally well just explore the domain and make your own learning path, so why bother filtering the filth?
1003829;1569394611;diana_coman;for books and courses, the author matters and for modern "domains" it can be just as hard to filter out the noise and find a good book as it is to find a good master;
1003830;1569394645;diana_coman;older domains may benefit from having some known reference book by the old guard so yes, it's comparatively easier there.
1003831;1569396082;diana_coman;thimbronion: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-25
1003832;1569404694;diana_coman;!o uptime
1003833;1569404694;ossabot;diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 3d 15h 36m
1003834;1569422693;whaack;diana_coman: after trying out the "small canon" and being very unimpressed (< quality of phone pic) i got the dsc-rx100 and needless to say am very satisfied! I put my old blog onto ztkfg.com with updated links. todays goals are: saltmines, pack for japaan, setup my travel bouncer, and get my CR tickets.
1003835;1569425873;diana_coman;whaack: good for you re dsc-rx100; and the rest sounds like a good plan.
1003836;1569425941;diana_coman;whaack: actually: there's still a post you need to write too or is that done?
1003837;1569426047;whaack;diana_coman: no it's not done. i will try to do that tonight as well, but i'm not sure i'll have time. i was thinking that it may be a good activity for the plane ride
1003838;1569426170;diana_coman;whaack: ook but you have to give a deadline for publishing it.
1003839;1569426197;diana_coman;and yes, better give yourself some time than rush it.
1003840;1569428457;diana_coman;jfw: how's the log-reading going?
1003841;1569429949;whaack;diana_coman: Publishing on ztkfg while away requires tweaking some of my current settings on pizarro. So if i set a due-date during my trip, I will have to publish it on younghands. I think it serves as a good init post there, but i'll also want to copy it over to my personal blog when i get back.
1003842;1569430044;diana_coman;whaack: I don't mind it but if you can't publish on your own blog while away - how are you going to blog Japan?
1003843;1569430089;whaack;well i'd store it locally and then publish it when i get back.
1003844;1569430226;diana_coman;hm, I thought you wanted feedback as you went about too; it's really up to you but in this case it makes more sense to set the deadline for when you come back and publish it on your own blog.
1003845;1569430231;diana_coman;when do you come back exactly?
1003846;1569430301;diana_coman;whaack: the trouble with publishing same thing in 2 places is precisely that you split stupidly any discussion on it.
1003847;1569430345;whaack;October 8th. Okay I will just tweak my settings so I can post to my blog while away.
1003848;1569430373;diana_coman;so publish it on your own blog and just link it from a review post on younghands.
1003849;1569430440;diana_coman;whaack: ok; when is then the deadline for this post?
1003850;1569430499;diana_coman;the 8th means less than 2 weeks and running around korea too, huh.
1003851;1569430583;whaack;yeah, we go from Kyoto back to Tokyo by flying Kyoto -> Seoul, Seoul -> Tokyo. I would have had us moving around way less had I planned it.
1003852;1569430598;diana_coman;whaack: did you travel abroad other-than-CR before?
1003853;1569430841;whaack;diana_coman: Well while I was in CR before, I traveled to Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Peru. Before CR, i had traveled to the Dominican Republic with a group of college friends, and then a few other places as a teenager
1003854;1569430929;whaack;So insofar as i'm an independent adult, notrly. but from my limited experience i know that i do not like to move around a lot trying to site-see everything i can. I'd rather just be in a new place for two weeks
1003855;1569430972;diana_coman;ok, at least not totally green on that though by the sounds of it only the Americas, huh; differences might come as a shock esp as Japan is ...very tightly packed by comparison.
1003856;1569430992;diana_coman;and Korea too for that matter
1003857;1569431040;diana_coman;but yes, it sounds rushed, at the very least.
1003858;1569431134;diana_coman;well, next time you'll know what/where you want/don't want to spend more time, at the very least.
1003859;1569431164;whaack;re deadline for post - i say Saturday 28/09/19. I can get it done on the plane ride, so should be done by Friday, and then I'll leave an extra day in case i have some trouble connecting to the net
1003860;1569431181;diana_coman;whaack: sounds good.
1003861;1569431271;thimbronion;diana_coman: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-26
1003862;1569431631;diana_coman;thimbronion: that requires a re-covering of the basics really; what do you mean when you say you are not good about re-reading?
1003863;1569431877;diana_coman;thimbronion: yo!
1003864;1569431970;thimbronion;diana_coman: I am not sure how to respond.  I got the idea that it's good to reread things to better understand them.  However, after rereading things and understanding them better, I still don't do it very much.  Perhaps not knowing what to prioritize...
1003865;1569432154;diana_coman;if it's just "don't do it very much", it'll get solved through repeated beatings, until you do it.
1003866;1569432180;diana_coman;but it's unclear whether you do reading very well to start with; hm, lemme see.
1003867;1569432610;diana_coman;thimbronion: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-27
1003868;1569432700;diana_coman;thimbronion: whenever you don't do something despite knowing that it's better if you do it, the core answer is that you don't perceive the *need* to do it;
1003869;1569432732;diana_coman;ie you get away/got away so far without doing it.
1003870;1569432755;thimbronion;diana_coman: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-28
1003871;1569432843;diana_coman;thimbronion: did you write anywhere before starting http://thimbron.com/ this August?
1003872;1569432884;thimbronion;diana_coman: yes: http://63.80.184.72/blog/
1003873;1569432958;diana_coman;thimbronion: so why this silly new-blog-new-me or what is it?
1003874;1569433093;diana_coman;thimbronion: what's #exusiae ?
1003875;1569433170;thimbronion;diana_coman: Hm.  Well.  1) old blog software was written by myself and had no hope of getting as good as mp-wp. 2) Had considered importing old posts, but didn't value them all that much.  3) Didn't want to re-setup my old blog software on new server.  4) New blog was because I wanted something hosted outside of US and wouldn't get arbitrarily taken down for wrong think.
1003876;1569433197;whaack;heh i wonder how many secret "sideline republic" blogs there are
1003877;1569433209;diana_coman;thimbronion: might not value it, but it's your history; add task 2: import all those old posts to your blog on thimbron.com
1003878;1569433262;asciilifeform;whaack: iirc shinohai had one, but currently down
1003879;1569433269;diana_coman;whaack: probably a ton honest enough to at least link to relevant material ~some of the time; + many more tons that studiously avoid linking to anything that might touch tmsr.
1003880;1569433281;thimbronion;diana_coman: #exusiae was meant for discussion of my blog posts.  It was also necessary due to the way I implemented comments for my static blog.  So, if you wanted to comment, you had to reference the post in #exusiae.
1003881;1569433294;diana_coman;thimbronion: ah, so it's your own chan?
1003882;1569433348;thimbronion;diana_coman: yes.  I only ever talked in it with a former college friend.  We had a huge fight over Trump - all in the #exusiae logs.  Completely dead now.
1003883;1569433383;whaack;thimbronion: i had something similar sketched out http://ztkfg.com/2017/10/why-this-blog/#selection-19.219-23.1
1003884;1569433434;diana_coman;whaack: no wonder, since you were both avoiding the same thing -> the same away.
1003885;1569433460;thimbronion;whaack: cool. I know the idea had been discussed in #trilema or #bitcoin-assets.
1003886;1569433514;diana_coman;thimbronion: import those posts to thimbron.com; you get to decide if you want to import the log of that chan too (as one post or whatever)
1003887;1569433528;thimbronion;diana_coman: will do.
1003888;1569433989;diana_coman;http://63.80.184.72/blog/systems_not_gaols.html - ahahaha; is that goals -> gaols on purpose ?
1003889;1569434154;whaack;"Note that the name of this piece is intentionally mispelled." < I think so
1003890;1569434230;thimbronion;whaack, diana_coman: I honestly couldn't remember until I read the last line.
1003891;1569434326;diana_coman;thimbronion: a bit of a shame really ie if on purpose, the text should have *done something with it*, not "point it out of sorts in last sentence"
1003892;1569434359;thimbronion;diana_coman: I agree.  Pretty lame.
1003893;1569434389;diana_coman;thimbronion: what I don't get though: from your blog posts, you seem to be actually quite at ease talking to people; but somehow you talk to and search for... idiots a whole lot more than anyone else; why?
1003894;1569434448;diana_coman;more than for* anyone else
1003895;1569434821;thimbronion;diana_coman: I am not intentionally searching for idiots.  Most of my friends turned out to be idiots.  I'm not sure where besides here and #trilema I could talk to non-idiots.  The best I've been able to do is read #trilema and Trilema, after having fucked up my gpg key.
1003896;1569434987;thimbronion;I did create the blog with the hopes of having the posts show up in #bitcoin-assets, but right around that time I messed up my key.
1003897;1569435587;asciilifeform;http://63.80.184.72/blog/kevin_pham_wrong.html >> 'he was active in attacking Ethereum, which itself is an attack on Bitcoin' << wat ?
1003898;1569435613;thimbronion;asciilifeform: I do not understand the question.
1003899;1569435637;whaack;asciilifeform: his which refers to ethereum not the attacking of ethereum
1003900;1569435647;asciilifeform;aa hm
1003901;1569435653;thimbronion;ah yes.  ethereum is the attack.
1003902;1569435672;asciilifeform;this is sorta what punctuation is for, lol
1003903;1569435689;whaack;thimbronion: ftr at first i parsed it the way asciilifeform did.
1003904;1569435712;asciilifeform;( on my home planet this sorta lol is known as 'казнить нельзя помиловать' )
1003905;1569435734;thimbronion;whaack: I can see it.
1003906;1569437284;whaack;asciilifeform: is there a loose translation? is it an expression for 'humor that arises from a confused antecedent'?
1003907;1569437846;whaack;diana_coman: i go back to CR on Oct 19th
1003908;1569438034;asciilifeform;whaack: 'execute cannot reprieve'
1003909;1569438047;asciilifeform;'execute cannot, reprieve' is valid , ru has flex word ordering
1003910;1569438057;asciilifeform;'execute, cannot reprieve' ditto
1003911;1569438282;whaack;lols
1003912;1569439263;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003894 - your criteria when choosing/searching though are flawed from what I read on your old blog (eg "crypto twitter personality", HackerNews) and as a result "searching for idiots" ;
1003913;1569439264;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 14:22:47 thimbronion: diana_coman: I am not intentionally searching for idiots.  Most of my friends turned out to be idiots.  I'm not sure where besides here and #trilema I could talk to non-idiots.  The best I've been able to do is read #trilema and Trilema, after having fucked up my gpg key.
1003914;1569439315;diana_coman;and while you might have been following here (I don't doubt it), hoping for recognition out of nowhere is not a good approach at all.
1003915;1569439388;diana_coman;thimbronion: even here, why did I have to go and explicitly tap you on a shoulder anyway? why didn't you say something on your own, just like you said to that guy whose seminar you went to (presumably you found him and went to him on your own)
1003916;1569439407;diana_coman;this is why I say that you seem to make much more of an effort for the idiots than for the few non-idiots that you find.
1003917;1569439713;diana_coman;asciilifeform: iirc english has that "come eat grandma" (come eat, grandma vs come, eat grandma)
1003918;1569439743;thimbronion;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003915 << I was aware of the younghands club, but hadn't read up on it in great detail.  I'm not sure why I didn't join earlier.  I want to say because of the name.  I didn't consider myself all that young.  And holy cow yes.  I burned a good 9 months on Twitter idiocy.  I have followed it because I occasionally get insights there, though recently less
1003919;1569439743;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:23:08 diana_coman: thimbronion: even here, why did I have to go and explicitly tap you on a shoulder anyway? why didn't you say something on your own, just like you said to that guy whose seminar you went to (presumably you found him and went to him on your own)
1003920;1569439745;thimbronion;and less.
1003921;1569439747;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i was taught a supposed equivalent in eng, 'the hookers lenin stalin and hitler went into a bar'
1003922;1569439779;asciilifeform;diana_coman: but yours also worx
1003923;1569439834;diana_coman;asciilifeform: clearly your kindergarten was more adult than mine, lol
1003924;1569439871;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the interesting thing is that they dun seem to teach either variant, or for that matter why the fuck punctuation exists, to schoolchildren in usa
1003925;1569439893;asciilifeform;so they grow up thinking of it as decorative, like 'emoji'
1003926;1569439906;diana_coman;thimbronion: don't consider without asking; not only here but in general: *ask*; you have nothing to lose for a question and everything to lose for not asking it.
1003927;1569439968;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yes; they don't seem to teach how to read something either; remember nicoleci's summaries? the woman can clearly think but oh boy; and I almost dread I'll find the same with thimbronion (hopefully not but...)
1003928;1569440025;thimbronion;diana_coman: I will be more aware of when I'm missing opportunities to ask.
1003929;1569440211;diana_coman;thimbronion: on the bright side, you spoke up timely when struggling with the work/deadline so there is hope!
1003930;1569440249;thimbronion;diana_coman: I am aware of the necessity of asking *before* missing deadlines.
1003931;1569440323;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003906 - ok; I'll take this as proper starting date here ie your first week-plan will be for the week 21-27 October
1003932;1569440324;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:13:12 whaack: diana_coman: i go back to CR on Oct 19th
1003933;1569442328;diana_coman;thimbronion: for that matter, since you know python, you are hardened working with the full web-shitstack and you've been following around for quite a while - doesn't the [http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128262][take over irc] fief appeal to you?
1003934;1569443042;thimbronion;diana_coman: I will read and consider (and ask!) what this would entail.  Also would this be in addition to the Chinese thing or in place of it?
1003935;1569443188;diana_coman;thimbronion: as a springboard to the chinese thing, really; re China, in principle there is big scope there though possibly not the sort that you imagine
1003936;1569443219;diana_coman;because "chinese news" as such a la herpy-derpy local-twitter personalities is at best smoke in the wind
1003937;1569443359;diana_coman;thimbronion: re what would this entail- the idea is here: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305][multiple networks]
1003938;1569443360;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
1003939;1569444229;diana_coman;whaack: maybe get a cloak from freenode
1003940;1569444407;diana_coman;asciilifeform: it's not synced well in #o : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003938 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003938
1003941;1569444407;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:29:20 ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
1003942;1569444407;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:59:35 diana_coman: whaack: maybe get a cloak from freenode