1000404;1566326697;diana_alt;ugh, no deedbot
1000405;1566326731;asciilifeform;apparently not
1000406;1566326999;diana_alt;asciilifeform: 4 runs of curl http://54.209.217.34/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 > /dev/null give http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1llzt/?raw=true
1000407;1566327038;asciilifeform;ty diana_alt !
1000408;1566327123;asciilifeform;diana_alt: imho thus far errything points to the ~pipe~
1000409;1566327161;asciilifeform;given e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929698
1000410;1566327161;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-19 16:38:26 asciilifeform: ... from here eats 0.268s.
1000411;1566327234;diana_alt;BingoBoingo: do you mind waiting until the end of this week for the payment of the Pizarro invoice for my rk?
1000412;1566327270;diana_alt;asciilifeform: it would seem so, yes.
1000413;1566327330;asciilifeform;diana_alt: btw what sorta load time do you get for 'heavy page' from phf's log
1000414;1566327330;asciilifeform;?
1000415;1566327357;asciilifeform;( his also iirc in usa )
1000416;1566327364;BingoBoingo;diana_alt: No problem at all
1000417;1566327498;diana_alt;BingoBoingo: thanks!
1000418;1566327536;diana_alt;asciilifeform: hm, a bit longer if anything: real is around 1.5s on 4 runs
1000419;1566327542;diana_alt;same precise page
1000420;1566327600;asciilifeform;diana_alt: the mirror is on largest spam isp in usa (lulazon) and actually can be moved between a dozen or so locations , we can experiment later if want
1000421;1566327606;diana_alt;specifically: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/su9en/?raw=true
1000422;1566327617;asciilifeform;( they have a thing where you can pick in what city )
1000423;1566327682;asciilifeform;atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.
1000424;1566327775;asciilifeform;diana_alt: my log pages are slightly heavier than phf's, he had 'minimized' css , some scheme for cutting out unprinted whitespace also
1000425;1566327804;asciilifeform;it's not a huge diff tho iirc
1000426;1566328103;diana_alt;no, not a huge difference anyway; tbh for the moment I can't see much more info to be gotten out of further simple timing tests (or maybe I just don't see it)
1000427;1566328149;asciilifeform;diana_alt: thus far seems to me that we're seeing 100% pipe effect
1000428;1566328178;asciilifeform;( as confirmed by lobbes , my logtron generates the page in approx same time it takes to move the mouse button. can't say re phf's , likely same )
1000429;1566328232;asciilifeform;i.e. no amt of massage of the proggy is going to make a perceptible diff re load time.
1000430;1566328234;diana_alt;I agree it looks 100% pipe effect
1000431;1566328260;asciilifeform;imho what's needed, is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929756 .
1000432;1566328260;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-19 21:52:50 asciilifeform: rly what we oughta have is 7+ ~active~ bots/logotrons on 7 continents, then no one will have to grumble 'wai slow'
1000433;1566328301;diana_alt;asciilifeform: do you recommend just mirroring them on heathen vms?
1000434;1566328330;asciilifeform;it poses some difficulty; e.g. the 1 i used, is in fact banned from fleanode (unless sslized) on acct of spam
1000435;1566328352;asciilifeform;but proggy is lightweight enuff that it in fact runs a++ in cheapo pseudohosters
1000436;1566328384;asciilifeform;(observe that rubbish-mirror has no bot, it is synced via db dump / cron )
1000437;1566328457;asciilifeform;seems that any host service which offers traditional python2, will run the thing.
1000438;1566328472;diana_alt;looking at it from the other side, why not just mirror them in the cheapest way too; supposedly there still are some that are not banned on acct of spam either;
1000439;1566328492;asciilifeform;it took me just slightly over half hour to set up the example mirror.
1000440;1566328516;asciilifeform;( all of the necessary instructions, i think are in the readme )
1000441;1566328571;asciilifeform;note that the bot doesn't need to be voiced in order to log.
1000442;1566328596;diana_alt;asciilifeform: I still tend to do a *2 for myself on all your timings; but in any case, it's still on my list for when I get back to my desk
1000443;1566328609;asciilifeform;diana_alt: the moar, the merrier.
1000444;1566328688;diana_alt;asciilifeform: maybe add those cron/instructions as a patch though?
1000445;1566328699;asciilifeform;diana_alt: it's defo going in next patch.
1000446;1566328704;diana_alt;i.e. add to the readme or something so one doesn't need to dig in the logs
1000447;1566328706;diana_alt;great, thanks!
1000448;1566328712;asciilifeform;imho mirrors synced via cron aint especially useful tho
1000449;1566328736;asciilifeform;as they don't help to bridge gaps in log in the event the bot (of which atm there is only 1, of my type) is bumped
1000450;1566328761;diana_alt;sure; that doesn't mean they don't help in any other way though
1000451;1566328763;asciilifeform;a proper logtron oughta have own bot, going in realtime
1000452;1566328768;diana_alt;sure
1000453;1566328799;asciilifeform;the lulazon mirror, i set up specifically to probe q of 'is proggy/web stack slow'
1000454;1566328957;asciilifeform;as soon as someone sets up proper mirror (i.e. with working bot), we can start on the q of how to auto-sync.
1000455;1566328997;asciilifeform;( it prolly has not escaped diana_alt's notice, that in so doing we're more or less rebuilding the relevant pieces irc )
1000456;1566329004;asciilifeform;*of irc
1000457;1566329178;asciilifeform;btw re the cron : the instructions posted in log earlier do not in fact result in a working auto-cronsync ; turns out that it is necessary to run 'init_db' script prior to importing a dump, or postgres barfs . this results in 5 or so min. down time (i.e. machine shows empty log)
1000458;1566329188;asciilifeform;i have not conceived of any simple pill against this, of yet.
1000459;1566329256;asciilifeform;imho such mirroring is not all that useful, so did not put serious effort into any such thing as e.g. 'trim the dump so doesn't conflict with existing'
1000460;1566329484;asciilifeform;any auto-sync really oughta use the 'raw-export' knob (implemented -- emitter, but no receiver of yet)
1000461;1566329516;diana_alt;yes, a proper separate working bot (ideally many of them) is the real need; this sort of mirrors are lowest-effort and a rather different thing, can't see any reason to spend a lot of time on them either