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assbot: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00086062 = 15.2321 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet
mircea_popescu: this, since the 80s.
mircea_popescu: by now, forger it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00085359 = 29.9183 BTC [-] {3}
cgcardona: hi #bitcoin-assets o/
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305362 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1069 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12309778451.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.70569
cgcardona_: ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages
BingoBoingo: Ah, cool
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.91, Best ask: 629.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 627.9, 24 hour volume: 9746.28690195, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 645.0, 24 hour vwap: 629.9017398
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00085786 = 21.1034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg
mircea_popescu: ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever."
mircea_popescu: dude this chick actually got it.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust princessnell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user princessnell: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rated princessnell
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Sun May 11 18:26:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: procurer for the #bitcoin-assets dungeon..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate princessnell 2 She's smart.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 1 to 2.
BingoBoingo: Defintely on the ball in ways Ms boring isn't. Forbes picked the loser.
atcbot: 20k@264 16k@260 35k@250 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
BingoBoingo: Coinion seems to have stalled out http://www.coinion.com/
assbot: The Coinion | Bitcoin's Finest News Source
mircea_popescu: hard work, easily tired kids, whats to expect.
BingoBoingo: You'd think the incentive your PR dropped for them on the forum would have got them reaching for 300 in a year
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "supposing whow "
BingoBoingo: The coinion kids.
assbot: Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source! Onion-clone for Bitcoin
assbot: the shit triangle - Mystery of the Mundane
mircea_popescu: someone translate this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00085786 = 23.9772 BTC [+]
benkay: state media academia
benkay: shit triangle
benkay: !up Vexual
benkay: hey baby
Vexual: hey yourself
Vexual: I left a shit triangle next to a dumpster last night
Vexual: that sounded funnier in my head
Vexual: is THAT the shit triangle?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23820 @ 0.00085172 = 20.288 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: princessnell's essay is a good read indeed
assbot: Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut
decimation: "Trying to supplant our nature with technology is a losing prospect that gets it completely backwards." << what's amusing is that much of the ruling ideology of the USG is exactly this
decimation: nearly every gov't department wants to find ways of removing actual human accountability for problems while finding a way to produce government ex machina
Vexual: so do big companies
decimation: well, anyone with a basic understanding of human nature will realize that humans attempt to shirk responsibility if they think they can get away with it
decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment
Vexual: developed any printer filaments lately?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00085271 = 50.3099 BTC [+] {3}
davout: morning asseteers and asseteerettes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0235999 = 0.4012 BTC [+]
decimation: Vexual: what do you mean by printer filaments? 3d printers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43813 @ 0.00084823 = 37.1635 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0699998 = 0.77 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: davout: morning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085065 = 16.8429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42537 @ 0.000843 = 35.8587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.000825 = 1.6088 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24228941 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0675001 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06769949 = 0.677 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
BingoBoingo: !up saulimus
BingoBoingo: !up Swadq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 52 @ 0.02826731 = 1.4699 BTC [+] {3}
diana_coman: thanks BingoBoingo, I think I actually should be voiced if I get auth
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot diana_coman
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013
fluffypony: looks like it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06999999 = 1.54 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41788 @ 0.00082685 = 34.5524 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00229957 = 0.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2967 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2608866 = 0.7827 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608886 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.2608887 = 2.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00083011 = 26.4805 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
diana_coman: are the logs of this channel available as a dump (I know about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ but it seems to give them only day by day, while I wanted to play around with a bigger sample)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Namworld: Dafuq youtube... giving me before my video a 1 hour ad video about Bitcoin, "Ride the Great Coming Wave"... Such a scammy ad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00083011 = 7.2585 BTC [+]
davout: 33a89ace5b971c3ed5862af1cbe272da
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608887 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell vexual no is that something i should care about
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00083814 = 10.926 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone translate this ? /// looks Antifragile-inspired (i started reading it yesterday)
kakobrekla: bringing you past from the future.
ThickAsThieves: thank you for the present
assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4464 @ 0.00083624 = 3.733 BTC [-]
assbot: LEGO Creator: MINI Cooper Designer Video - YouTube
fluffypony: can't wait for August
fluffypony: such a gorgeous model
assbot: Let's Bring Back the Fax Machine | Motherboard
davout: in case someone was lulz-deprived
assbot: Bitcoin Losers
dub: and one of them posting 400btc for your head
fluffypony: throw the jew down the well
fluffypony: princessnell favourited my tweet, I'm well on my way to Internet fame :-P
davout: dub: yeah, that too
davout: i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC [+] {3}
davout: !up starsoccer
davout: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
davout: o, you can already voice yourself ><
starsoccer: oo lol
starsoccer: didnt realize
kakobrekla: what did he do davout ?
davout: kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this
dub: the dude has <70 IQ, the end?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RCWJ.txt )
davout: "davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself"
kakobrekla: aha lolk
starsoccer: davout, send him 1132 btc
davout: which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me"
dub: 'but I'll settle for US$50k!'
davout: s/ti/to/
starsoccer: davout, fine send him 50k
starsoccer: then me and you split the 400btc
dub: now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?!
starsoccer: dub, exactly
davout: starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry!
starsoccer: do what for 100 btc?
starsoccer: you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc
starsoccer: good day
davout: kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head" :D
dub: haha
dub: HIRE SOME SERBS TO GET IT
kakobrekla: i know some
kakobrekla: i cal also hold escrow
kakobrekla: no takers ? boring.
mircea_popescu: hai there persons.
dub: this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid
Duffer1: hello
dub: ohshi- expedia
mircea_popescu: benkay: state media academia << ty
dub: nice
davout: dub: he's being sardokanastic
dub: ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard
mircea_popescu: i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s
assbot: Sandokan Tribute - YouTube
kakobrekla: some forumite?
davout: he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite
Apocalyptic: davout, did he post that on the forum ?
assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
mircea_popescu: decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago.
mircea_popescu: o wow wait
mircea_popescu: phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !?
mircea_popescu: !up blackwhite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot blackwhite
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user blackwhite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=blackwhite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=blackwhite | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ?
mircea_popescu: davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud
mircea_popescu: itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ?
blackwhite: I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier.
blackwhite: but getting back to getting more involved again.
mircea_popescu: blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts.
blackwhite: i see
davout: mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ?
mircea_popescu: well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ?
mircea_popescu: his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap.
davout: two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it
mircea_popescu: davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing
mircea_popescu: did he lose two of his three urls ?
davout: i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = '<phinns wallet key>'" == 0
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second—33 times the usual water flow rate."
davout: for two of the urls
mircea_popescu: davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ?
davout: i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too
davout: some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches"
Apocalyptic: "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ?
davout: except we didn't have a tor hidden service
mircea_popescu: davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ?
davout: i checked for that against a few backups
davout: no results
mircea_popescu: what date was the oldest you checked roughly ?
davout: one of the first things i thought of
pankkake: What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin?
pankkake: Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers
pankkake: French Bitcoiner = AVOID
davout: i don't really recall from the top of my head
davout: i tried to find partial url matches too
mircea_popescu: well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ?
davout: i tried to search by balances
davout: a month or two i think
mircea_popescu: so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ?
davout: hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions
davout: that's what the backups convey
assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
mircea_popescu: davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ?
davout: nope
mircea_popescu: so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them
davout: i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses"
mircea_popescu: well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind
davout: the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information
mircea_popescu: ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ?
davout: well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself
assbot: Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube
davout: so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used
mircea_popescu: davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ?
davout: once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail
davout: took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address
fluffypony: every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence
mircea_popescu: this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk.
davout: ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions
fluffypony: the URLs could be complete bullshit
davout: mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe
mircea_popescu: that ain't gonna work.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ?
davout: fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses
davout: because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address
davout: he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever
mircea_popescu: i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk
fluffypony: yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him
assbot: BitBet Propositions
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e
mircea_popescu: actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april.
davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU
mircea_popescu: but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ?
davout: he's imagining there is a liquidator
davout: i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit
davout: it was a post-mortem security audit
davout: the guy is very confused
davout: i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things
davout: i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble
mircea_popescu: "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment."
mircea_popescu: is he francophone ?
davout: he's definitely not francophile
mircea_popescu: no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time
fluffypony: pankkake: I'm betting yes on "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt"
mircea_popescu: "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I
mircea_popescu: have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress."
mircea_popescu: wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work
mircea_popescu: "I prefer to use Rassah as escrow"
mircea_popescu: so did he fund the bounty or not ?
fluffypony: *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something
davout: the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow?
fluffypony: the whole arrangement is confusing as hell
mircea_popescu: so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ?
davout: also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared
assbot: Private Paste - Pastie
mircea_popescu: davout do you have a service address ?
fluffypony: maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him
davout: mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY
mircea_popescu: fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker
mircea_popescu: davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process
mircea_popescu: such as supoenas
davout: paymium has one
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general
fluffypony: the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour
davout: also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013
mircea_popescu: davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn'
kakobrekla: someone mixed propositions for 4chan?
mircea_popescu: t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing
davout: in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued
mircea_popescu: davout at this point.
fluffypony: agreed
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation
fluffypony: once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him
chetty: so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank?
fluffypony: chetty: I think so
fluffypony: give it a spin, let us know how it goes
mircea_popescu: fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her.
mircea_popescu: what do they care.
davout: gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further
fluffypony: davout: kk
mircea_popescu: i think it's discussed tbh.
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen Phinnaeus
gribble: Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Phinnaeus> later
mircea_popescu: maybe if the guy shows up
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wahahahaha sardokan wins
mircea_popescu: I don't understand why phinnaeus would pay 400BTC for 50K$, but I can write the agreement with him and make the deal : Davout will send to trusted escrow 50K$ (in dollard or BTC) Phinnaeus will send to escrow 400 BTC when escrow have both, he will send me 400 BTC and send Phinnaeus is 50K$. I will then send 300 BTC to Davout. We will all waive the right to terminate this agreement and to all actions regarding the insta
mircea_popescu: wallet service.
pankkake: my experience of the forum is that there is no shortage of high profile delusional scammers, that of course don't think themselves as such
pankkake: but davout being a mod there, I don't trust him either!
fluffypony: he mods the French sub-forum, it's not exactly a position of power
Apocalyptic: it is to a certain extent
pankkake: it comes with a special status
assbot: Go out french moderator !
mircea_popescu: i dunno what to make of this personally. i kinda like phinn and all, but so far this claim of his is not going too far.
mircea_popescu: i don't doubt he had 1k or so btc at some point, and i don't doubt he genuinely lost it somehow.
mircea_popescu: now exactly how...
kakobrekla put the poop back in the box
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714444 << this "put hashes in bitcoin-asset's blockchain" is becoming fashionable i see.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: certainly better than trying to hijack bitcoin's for the purpose of communication.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. << lol someone ain't wearing undies ?
mircea_popescu: http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/moss-072913-_1_0.jpg << tshirt and knickers, best schoolgirl uniform of 2005
mircea_popescu: "I got swept up in the mania last November and dared to invest my life saving into purchasing 1 bitcoin, just as it was near peak. That turned out to be a terrible purchase for me"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707059 = 0.2121 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "the price didn't move in the direction I expected in 6 months! suicide time!"
mircea_popescu: I bought several at $1.000, many others at $550, but at the end, I am a looser in term of financial results.
mircea_popescu: But absolutely Hodling. Never sold any Bitcoin, only bought and HODL
mircea_popescu: this is a sa job btw.
fluffypony: sa as in South African?
TomServo: something awful, I would guess
fluffypony: third time I've made that mistake
mircea_popescu: well because they're pretty irrelevant by now, so you wouldn't normally know.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, originally it was all "o, how the bitcoiners don't understand basic socialism as canon accepted by everyone"
mircea_popescu: then it was "o the press in its quest for bullshit is betraying the holy canon of socialism"
mircea_popescu: by now it's sunk into the depths of pathetic : trying to get a thread going, which gets 6 pages out of which 2/3 is their kindling
mircea_popescu: i mean any half-literate scammer in sierra-leone can get a good flamewar raging for 500 pages in two weeks, the self appointed cream of teh internets slash intellectual core of progressivism can't even get to 12 ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.070706 = 0.8485 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305435 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12414329811.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.59499
ThickAsThieves: you know it's just gonna explode during the diff before the bet
ThickAsThieves: it's a diff bear trap
mircea_popescu: bet is closed by nowi think
mike_c: spoken like a man who has been creamed in the past betting against difficulty
ThickAsThieves: Current weight: 798
mircea_popescu: he got it pretty bad at some point i recall, what was it, 50 btc ?
assbot: How Bitcoin Empowers the First Global Peer-to-Peer Lender BTCJam
fluffypony: 19% APR return for lenders
ThickAsThieves: btcjam is spamming the web this week
ThickAsThieves: putting that VC money to use i guess
mike_c: echo "td { overflow: hidden; }" >> bitbet.css
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they finally figured out that 60% return rate isn't really such a good number ?
fluffypony: so it would seem
mircea_popescu: what was their round anyway ? i forget
assbot: .: AySA - Agua y Saneamientos Argentinos S.A. :.
ThickAsThieves: undisclosed
mircea_popescu: "PHP has encountered an Access Violation at 01C20AFD"
ThickAsThieves: we need some new diff bets
mircea_popescu: prolly ya
kakobrekla: mike_c ?
assbot: BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 0.6 B (55%) on Yes, 0.48 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 90`314 (100`000 to 3)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800105 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ya not so bad
mircea_popescu: o look it's a kitten! where've you been moiety
moiety: hello!
moiety: i've had such a disater moving! i've had no internet
mircea_popescu: taking the sex weeks literally ?
moiety: disaster*
moiety: lol well i am finally in and almost out of the other one
moiety: relying on transport help is not good for moving
mircea_popescu: lol so i moved across the ocean faster than you did across town ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: does opera render diffrently on proposition page? those crazy titles go off my screen
moiety: I'm sorry i didn't even have email. flipping library is being refurbed. how is everyone?
moiety: lolpretty much mircea_popescu i ran out of funds half way and was in this empty flat for a few days
mircea_popescu: pretty great. you have the logs of all time to go through now :D
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i wasn't in rift for about a month, people were throwing a fit
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 73(Y):27(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.175 BTC. Current weight: 90,308.
moiety: honestly i wish id had the logs when i had no internet lol have you all settled in now then mircea_popescu?
kakobrekla: mike_c i see this in opera and chrome http://i.imgur.com/62OkoI9.png
kakobrekla: doesnt your browser know of word-wrap: break-word;
mike_c: you mean "word-break: break-word;"
fluffypony: that looks delicious, mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: break-break: broken-break; ?
fluffypony: I think I'm going to try that this w/e and report back
mircea_popescu: it was pretty good.
fluffypony: advantage of having a vegetarian wife: more for me
mircea_popescu: more food for you, better sex for you ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, veggie wives aren't so bad.
fluffypony: a win-win!
mike_c: break broken, looks like you fixed it?
fluffypony: of course, she'll probably outlive me by 20 years, but c'est la vie
mircea_popescu: women do that anyway
mircea_popescu: actually someone should make a lolpost about "break the age glass ceiling! women should be killed off by the government so that on average they live as long as men!!11"
kakobrekla: mike_c i just made your browser reload css
mike_c: versioned statics are good.
mike_c: working now, thank you for hitting ctrl-r for me.
Apocalyptic: kako is the css wizard
mircea_popescu: http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << clearly problem exists between mike_c monitor and mike_c's chair :D
kakobrekla: also thats an insult
mike_c: psh, no pebkac.
fluffypony: glasses maybe?
mircea_popescu: yes. one glass of scotch
mircea_popescu: one glass of ice.
mircea_popescu: !up surf
mircea_popescu: moiety you still have a btc with me, got an address yet ?
fluffypony: moiety: just use Instawallet
moiety: i do but there's a lot of time left
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00083601 = 5.4341 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: re propositions and rss, do you ppl want pending and approved/rejected sources or just the latter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2907 @ 0.00083601 = 2.4303 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: just dump them all in there with a flag
mike_c: that would be more json than rss
kakobrekla: id rather to json tbh
kakobrekla: rss is retarded
kakobrekla: if i would be the author if it, id kill myself.
mircea_popescu: so do json
mircea_popescu: IN rss :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c doesn't rss have field extensibility ? you gotta use cdata ?
mike_c: it's more that rss is for updates. so you have entry for pending, then later an entry for approved/rejected?
kakobrekla: or 2 sources
fluffypony: Gaven Andresen answered a question on Reddit, it's nice to know Redditards have switched from religious metaphors to pop culture:
assbot: kinoshitajona comments on [Serious] I couldn't answer this question when discussing Bitcoin with my Dad: Isn't it sometimes beneficial to allow governments to stabilise their currency if there is uncontrollable inflation/deflation due to unavoidable events? Wouldn't a global currency cause poorer countries to be left behind?
mike_c: how will argentina issue worthless bonds in bitcoin??
mike_c: maybe bitbet propositions issue is simply solved by showing all props for last 30 days.
mike_c: instead of just 50 or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 333 @ 0.00035999 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 384 @ 0.00035979 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00082939 = 10.7406 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: of fucking course a global currency would cause poorer countriesd to be left behind
benkay: <mircea_popescu> http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu // holy forces of nature, buttman
assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
mircea_popescu: that is the fucking point of currency and more generally life on earth. so that lazier kids get left behind in footbal practice, and that dumber kids get left behind dating
mircea_popescu: and on and fucking on.
mircea_popescu: benkay ya, wanna go whitewatering ? :D
assbot: Solar Flares Disrupt Communications on Earth, Could Send Shockwave on Friday the 13th - ABC News
benkay: if it gets you in a barrel and over the falls sign me up
benkay: oh yes
benkay: con3
benkay: i like this part of the logs where i can ignore the derping about some idiot trying to scam davout
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
[]bot: Bet created: "Difficulty change to block 308448 13% or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/907/
kakobrekla: default is 50
benkay: wait that was hardly any logs at all
mike_c: i like how the query parameters are order-dependent :D
assbot: xkcd: Standards
benkay: positional url parameters
benkay: nice
mike_c: very pythonic, *args and **kwargs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082137 = 6.2013 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: fuck you haxors!
benkay: "yeah sure, i'll take whatever you throw at me."
benkay: "just a big gaping hole over here - please to insert datadicks"
mircea_popescu: did kako just ruin bitbet ?
kakobrekla: not yet.
mike_c: ^ lol
nubbins`: lel @ davout
benkay: mornins
assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082466 = 21.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 415 @ 0.00035978 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 387 @ 0.00035957 = 0.1392 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 645 @ 0.00035769 = 0.2307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00082137 = 22.7519 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;;view
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 850 @ 0.00035501 = 0.3018 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: bigtip never seen you before :p
bigtip waves
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, the salmon looks really delicious, so far I knew how to cook a similar dish, without the wine and spice though
mircea_popescu: why without the wine and spice ?
mike_c: ;;seen unbalanced
mircea_popescu: but anyway, salmon isvery tolerant. you can eat it raw, you can eat it cooked to any degree
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <unbalanced> Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything
mircea_popescu: oft times ill just put it to fire for a few minutes and have it for breakfast
mircea_popescu: mike_c ya tell him to come over
mircea_popescu: i wanna congratulat him on his atc purchase
Apocalyptic: yeah, I often eat it raw
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> why without the wine and spice ? // that's the way I learnt it
chetty: wine is not a usual ingredient of teriyaki
Apocalyptic: indeed
mircea_popescu: rice wine is, yes!
Apocalyptic: oh rice wine
chetty: rice wine vinegar
Apocalyptic: I don't make my own teriyaki, sadly
chetty: but to be fair he did say it was heretic version :) and sounds pretty good
mircea_popescu: balsamic + wine ~= rice wine + vinegar
asciilifeform: 'I realized that I’ve never touched a fax machine before—that it’s as abstract, for me, as the laser guns...' << clearly never dealt with usg. fax is mandatory to this day!
mircea_popescu: maybe had lawyers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5047 @ 0.00082466 = 4.1621 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: afaik usg contractors still submit invoices via fax.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3803 @ 0.00082466 = 3.1362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31597 @ 0.00082955 = 26.2113 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Ok so here's a story : BitBet curently has 19 World Cup bets open. The average bet on these is .175 (excluding house and mpif), like so .79, .44, 0, .21, .60, .10, .54, .03, 0, 0, .01, 0, .05, .28, .01, .04, 0, .11, .11. Now, on top of these, there's no less than 30 bets pending approval on WC, pretty much "X country will advance from groups".
mircea_popescu: obviously mods wanted to consult. now, in the spirit of being in argentina and these people loving the wc, i ok'd the whole bulk
asciilifeform read backwards, parsed wc as watercloset
mircea_popescu: but, let me point out, this is pretty horrible business for bitbet, per se. and obviously, i'll be using this data to inform further decisions on what to accept.
mircea_popescu: so logically a) if you wonder later why your zeroconf sports bet got rejected by mods, the reason ios probably here and b) if you want to see sport bets on bitbet, this is a bad time to sit and watch and a great time to get involved.
[]bot: Bet created: "Brazil will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/908/
mike_c: sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand..
mike_c: Bet created: "Much grass will grow while waiting for somebody to score a goal"
[]bot: Bet created: "Croatia will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/909/
mike_c: you argentines should be watching manu ginobli beat the crap out of lebron.
mircea_popescu: obviously also a great time to affliate bitbet, but then again, i couldn't even find an affiliate manager at all
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone wants to sit on his ass and derp on reddit about things, nobody wants to work anymore
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's a manu ginobli
[]bot: Bet created: "Mexico will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/910/
mike_c: an awesome argentine basketball player currently winning the nba finals.
mike_c: there's a couple frenchies winning too.
[]bot: Bet created: "Cameroon will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/911/
mike_c: amazingly, after getting drilled in the ribs, one of the frenchies did not immediately give up but played through!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
[]bot: Bet created: "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/
[]bot: Bet created: "Chile will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/913/
[]bot: Bet created: "Australia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/914/
[]bot: Bet created: "Netherlands will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/915/
[]bot: Bet created: "Colombia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/916/
nubbins`: what exactly is an affiliate manager, anyway
nubbins`: also, what's pacific salmon like? i've only ever had atlantic :(
nubbins`: except for that one time in japan, but that was a long time ago and also my first sushi experience
nubbins`: so the whole thing is a bit rose-colored
[]bot: Bet created: "Greece will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/917/
[]bot: Bet created: "Japan will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/918/
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is atlantic noob :D
mircea_popescu: and an affiliate manager is a guy who knows a lot of affiliate marketeers who trust him.
nubbins` checks world map
asciilifeform only ever heard of 'affiliate marketeer' as euphemism for spammer
nubbins`: i swear i didn't confuse argentina with chile :(
[]bot: Bet created: "Cote d'Ivoire will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/919/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't even know what the state of the industry is anymore. 20 years ago you had the legitimate folk and then the dumb noobs pretending, much like in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: maybe in the meanwhile it died, i dunno. probable, judging by the fact that everyone i used to know back then is off the grid.
kakobrekla: ascii has it
asciilifeform: if it was once alive - now dead, replaced by scar tissue
mircea_popescu: i guess so. sad.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in 1994 a good affiliate could send you even 100k clicks which'd convert upwards of 10%
mircea_popescu: at an average sale of ~60, you do the math.
[]bot: Bet created: "Uruguay will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/920/
[]bot: Bet created: "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/
kakobrekla: i think lots of such people moved to seo and such
kakobrekla: which is also a scam
benkay: <mike_c> sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. // implying footie's not a sport?
mircea_popescu: im prettysure they were doing plenty of seo whatever back then
mircea_popescu: except back then it actually worked
mike_c: benkay: affirmative.
mircea_popescu: 295 results found
[]bot: Bet created: "Italy will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/922/
assbot: BitBet - Yankees to get most all-star selections :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 94`494 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: look at that junk
assbot: BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 96`230 (100`000 to 1)
Apocalyptic: heavy betters indeed
assbot: BitBet - Dee Gordon, Most Stolen Bases 2014 :: 0.07 B (70%) on Yes, 0.03 B (30%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 92`205 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Nadal to win French Open :: 0.13 B (59%) on Yes, 0.09 B (41%) on No | closed 1 week 1 day ago
mircea_popescu: basically this is the best proof bitcoin is populated by nerds
mircea_popescu: 0 interest in sports.
benkay: sports betting is a mass thing anyways, isn't it?
assbot: BitBet - A golfer from USA will win the 2014 Masters :: 0.06 B (47%) on Yes, 0.07 B (53%) on No | closed 2 months 2 days ago
assbot: BitBet - OKC Thunder to top NBA regular season rankings :: 0.03 B (30%) on Yes, 0.07 B (70%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago
assbot: BitBet - Joel Embiid to be #1 NBA Draft Pick :: 0.22 B (71%) on Yes, 0.09 B (29%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 90`156 (100`000 to 75`000)
kakobrekla: well that kuka bet was kinda interesting until it was shown its scripted
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know nba isn't doing SO much better
diametric: i can't wait for the berkshire bet to resolve.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla right ? nerdiest thing ever.
assbot: BitBet - An Eastern Conference team will win the NBA Finals :: 0.97 B (43%) on Yes, 1.28 B (57%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago
assbot: BitBet - Spurs to win 2014 NBA Finals :: 0.8 B (41%) on Yes, 1.13 B (59%) on No | closed 1 week 17 hours ago
kakobrekla: its sports!
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know break even is 10 btc pool right ?
kakobrekla: but yea, bitcoin people only interested in bitcoin.
[]bot: Bet created: "Switzerland will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/923/
mike_c: well, that's not quite true. you do keep one of the house bets.
kakobrekla: ditch the other categories.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC
mircea_popescu: mike_c a that's true. so i guess 5.
kakobrekla: new categories: difficulty, price action, stocks, arrests.
mircea_popescu: well guess what! in the past year there's exactly one sports bet that went over 5. you know which ?
mircea_popescu: the halep french open one
[]bot: Bet created: "Ecuador will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/924/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla definitely sports don't merit their own category im thinking.
[]bot: Bet created: "France will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/925/
[]bot: Bet created: "Honduras will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/926/
kakobrekla: but it helps to keep that part separated from the good part
mircea_popescu: the way I figure it, if the wc set fails to attract 500 btc total pool, we'll just ditch sports as a category and mostly reject all proposed sports bet without zeroconf
[]bot: Bet created: "Argentina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/927/
mircea_popescu: just put em all in misc
asciilifeform: some reason i imagined sport bets were a 'major thing' (not for me personally, but for a mythical 'unwashed mass waiting to arise')
asciilifeform: turns out, no?
mircea_popescu: seems not.
mircea_popescu: unwashed masses wish to arise THOUGH WAITING
mircea_popescu: not through anythingelse.
asciilifeform recalls betting shop in Timis
kakobrekla: perhaps yea if its presented circle like
mircea_popescu: tlp actually has a good write-up for this
kakobrekla: or whatever its called
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do me a favour, calculat ethe sum pool over the sports bets past 365 days
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that's the same bitcents they do here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one hypothesis: the sports aficionados are... broke
mike_c: another: they aren't used to betting on games parimutuel style
[]bot: Bet created: "Bosnia and Herzegovina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/928/
los_pantalones: as a sports betting person myself
mircea_popescu: mike_c prolly a large factor also.
[]bot: Bet created: "Iran will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/929/
los_pantalones: i can say the bitbet contracts don't really do it for me
los_pantalones: b/c i need a very last second bet
los_pantalones: and live betting during the event
[]bot: Bet created: "Nigeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/930/
mircea_popescu: mike_c the other way to formulate this is, sports bettors are not motivated by the money. they expect specific sorts of services provided
mircea_popescu: for which bitbet is poorly fitted
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu like what ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones drinks, tits, streaming game, betting tips, a whole atmosphere such as it is
los_pantalones: nah nah, i do online
los_pantalones: i need in game
mircea_popescu: in exchange for which they don't mind -50% EV
los_pantalones: but i like trading vol
los_pantalones: it's not a prediction game
mircea_popescu: explain this trading vol thing
los_pantalones: we spoke briefly about this before, bitbet is well suited to get an accurate prediction
los_pantalones: did you ever use tradesports?
los_pantalones: back in the day
los_pantalones: all binary bets
mircea_popescu: i don't actually bet
los_pantalones: live before and during event
los_pantalones: let's say event is mp vs pnts trades 0 to 100
mircea_popescu: line style ?
los_pantalones: you are pummeling me early, look fat and out of shape
mike_c: contract bets. with bids/asks.
los_pantalones: trades near 10
los_pantalones: i come back in the second round, look better
los_pantalones: moves to 20
los_pantalones: there is constant volume
los_pantalones: works really well in basketball
los_pantalones: big halftime lead, line moves too far to the edge
los_pantalones: just fade it
los_pantalones: there is vol in the expectation of the outcome of the event during the event, the price moves
los_pantalones: i enjoy that
los_pantalones: i hate the sportsbook type trading
los_pantalones: where you can only bet one side, so bitbet already better in that regard
los_pantalones: but still retains the fixed bet part
mircea_popescu: im not sure why you think what you're describing isn't already present on bitbet.
los_pantalones: when do the sports bets close?
mircea_popescu: at some point after the event/
mike_c: it doesn't have fixed odds
[]bot: Bet created: "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/
mike_c: odds change
[]bot: Bet created: "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones let me translate what you just described in bitbet terms.
mircea_popescu: so, on 1st of month bet MP vs LP is made. game is set for 5th. bet closes on 7th.
[]bot: Bet created: "Ghana will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/933/
los_pantalones: looking at bosnia will advance to group stage, the betting closes 23-06-2014, is that after the last potential match
mircea_popescu: at game start on 5th, weighted pots are 57k MP 33k LP
[]bot: Bet created: "USA will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/934/
los_pantalones: ah, well, then i am absolutely wrong
mircea_popescu: and weight is whatever, 85k
los_pantalones: i was under the impression the bet closed before the event
los_pantalones: i will now promptly go bet
mircea_popescu: one hour later, weight being 84,500 you decide to buy more LP
mircea_popescu: pot moves 57k to 37k
mircea_popescu: so odds went from
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57/33
gribble: 1.72727272727
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 57/37
gribble: 1.54054054054
kakobrekla: ;;calc 67703615976/100000000
gribble: 677.03615976
mircea_popescu: then you want to push the other way ? bet a little more on mp. so its now 58k to 37k
los_pantalones: yes yes, i am a wrong here
los_pantalones: and here i go
los_pantalones: to place me bets
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that can't be past year. it must be all time
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones which is why i need a bunch of fucking affiliates
mircea_popescu: to explain this to people, who otherwise would be betting
assbot: BitBet - Brazil will win FIFA World Cup 2014 :: 0.49 B (26%) on Yes, 1.41 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 day 6 hours | weight: 486 (100`000 to 1)
[]bot: Bet created: "Algeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/935/
los_pantalones: this closes in 1 day
mircea_popescu: AND the beauty of parimutuel is that you can always adjust your exposure to a pot %
mircea_popescu: so you never motherfucking get taken out of the game
[]bot: Bet created: "Russia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/936/
mircea_popescu: you wish to have 1% of the pot, you can make sure you do no matter what happens
mike_c: *provided infinite capital.
los_pantalones: why does this brazil to win bet close in 30 hours ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c provided you own the % of total world capital that you wish your % of the pool to be
mircea_popescu: if you own 1% of all bitcoin, you're guaranteed a 1% slice of any bet pool you ever wish to have.
[]bot: Bet created: "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones oh fuck.
mircea_popescu: you bring a motherfucking VERY GOOD POINT don't you,.
los_pantalones: ok, i'm not crazy!
kakobrekla: bah i always mix gte and lte.
mircea_popescu: i broke the model in the implementation ;/
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck.
los_pantalones: say "my bad"
kakobrekla: 258.82066273 satoshi over 166
los_pantalones: here i was, feeling like a lazy asshole
kakobrekla: satoshi = btc
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones my bad :D
los_pantalones: i can die a happy man
kakobrekla: ;;calc 258/166
gribble: 1.55421686747
mircea_popescu: anyway, this bitchfest of mine has yielded quite actionable advice from the chan that's +IQ
mircea_popescu: specifically, i'll make the mods put close dates for sports bets AFTER the event.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of which 201 arefrom the cointoss
los_pantalones: sweet, the existing WC events will be adjusted
mircea_popescu: so 57 over 166.
los_pantalones: or just for future
los_pantalones: b/c i would like to participate
mircea_popescu: o how have i sinned ;/
benkay: too bad about that mircea_popescu bitbet, eh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey listen, we take the close date on the recent WC batch from 24th to 26th ?
kakobrekla: i hate you but ok
mircea_popescu: i hate me too.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones there.
kakobrekla: from which to which id is this ?
mircea_popescu: 908 to 937
mircea_popescu: and add 1 to close too
mircea_popescu: 26 close 27 resolve
mircea_popescu: give people a fucking chance with the bets clearing
kakobrekla: not all end the same day as it is now
kakobrekla: we want all on 26 regardless ?
mircea_popescu: hm lemme look at this again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25037377 BTC [-]
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kakobrekla: some are 23th some 24th
mircea_popescu: just do it like this : current resolutrion date becomes close date
mircea_popescu: new resolution date becomes that +1 day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25036387 = 0.5007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02982307 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i wonder if people's cvs will end up including links to ba logs where i go "my bad"
los_pantalones: great point
los_pantalones: i will def list that
benkay: mine has the links to my few good ideas
mircea_popescu: o and ALSO... make close weight 10k
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
kakobrekla: rm -rf /bitbet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: knuth's typo cheques
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i was thinking that
los_pantalones: oh come to think of it, i love the decay feature of the bitbet on a live event
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but 100k to 1 is too much for sports.
los_pantalones: prevents all the last minute people glomming onto the trade
mircea_popescu: consider our case. bet is made on 1st. weight is 100k. if someone puts 10 btc on it then, it's sealed.
los_pantalones: yeah, agreed, just hadn't even thought that through
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2200 @ 0.0000628 = 0.1382 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but if the most it collects is the few bicents we mostly get currently,
mircea_popescu: then a few bitcoin bets during the event make sense, even if they're 1/10 weight
mircea_popescu: but NOT if they're 1/100000
mircea_popescu: so from now on, sports bets will end at 10k, and close after the event.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4576 @ 0.00082137 = 3.7586 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, you are a gentleman and a scholar, tyvm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038479 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up PoUpA
mircea_popescu: this should also work nicely with []bot's live streaming of bets.
mircea_popescu: -assets will become this place to watch sports!
los_pantalones: just what we all wanted
assbot: Sports! | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube
mircea_popescu: no idea what i'll do with this entertainment section tho, it's even more fucked up than sports currently.
asciilifeform: potentially serious flaw: -assets cannot yet pour beer.
Apocalyptic: beer is overrated
mircea_popescu: and with this little adventure, Confirmed bets: 10009
mircea_popescu: we crossed 10k
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 14820 BTC. so like 1.482 btc average pool
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 616.93, 24 hour volume: 8565.07142918, 24 hour low: 613.71, 24 hour high: 640.79, 24 hour vwap: 623.452038028
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 623.452038028 * 1.482
gribble: 923.955920357
benkay: o.O
benkay: more girls naked in public please and less...horrorshow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038589 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039089 = 0.5008 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: >Confirmed bets: 10044
kakobrekla: thanks to sports spam.
kakobrekla: but hey, congrats mircea_popescu .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039599 = 0.5008 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait is that a heart or a butt
asciilifeform: gramophone horn
jurov: i hate how this question comes to me at exactly such moment.. S.MPOE dividend was not paid yet?
mircea_popescu: jurov which one ?
jurov: may
mircea_popescu: may smpoe report will come june with the june report
mircea_popescu: twas in teh logs
jurov: ok
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> wait is that a heart or a butt < buartt
jurov: and thus, "it's in the logs" meme was born.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17327 @ 0.00082239 = 14.2496 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, to try and patch things up with benkay
benkay: so underwhelm.
benkay: mas
benkay: <3
benkay: haha excellent.
jurov: it's possible to have direct links for a category?
assbot: Browse BitBet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00082672 = 30.0926 BTC [+]
jurov: i want to spam around with "bet on worldcup nao", such link would help
jurov: ofc it should accept ?ref
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla might be able to halp :D
assbot: Browse BitBet
kakobrekla: it accepts ref
jurov: lol kakobrekla, that was very exhausting answer
kakobrekla: categories are linked from single bet view
kakobrekla: you can click on cat name
kakobrekla: except if its manul.
jurov: i see, it's helpfully nod underlined
jurov: *not
kakobrekla: yeah i hate underline.
jurov: ;;slap kakobrekla
gribble slaps kakobrekla with a parenthetical clay
kakobrekla: dafuq dat hurt
mircea_popescu: "I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls"
mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople.
jurov: can't you at least make the link bluish?
kakobrekla: its underlined nao
jurov: oh thx (^^)
kakobrekla: :* <3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople << still not convinced that this fascinating 'poverty of the spirit' has much to do with money
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d
benkay: good spot, chetty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35995 @ 0.00083099 = 29.9115 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: VC Firm Makes Bid for FBIs Seized Silk Road Bitcoins
chetty: I guess so
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
mircea_popescu: har har.
jurov: lol i read the link as "loses gpg primary"
chetty: first time in history that a 'party leader' lost in a primary, maybe there is hope for the ussa
princessnell: yes i am very happy about that
princessnell: i don't think there's much hope but i always enjoy when the lizards have to scramble http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-11/boeing-tumbles-as-cantor-loss-clouds-ex-im-bank-s-future.html
assbot: Boeing Tumbles as Cantor Loss Clouds Ex-Im Banks Future - Bloomberg
asciilifeform: chetty: about as interesting, imho, as... the death of andropov
chetty: well it prolly wont make a drop of difference, but it feels good for a split second
princessnell: right :)
asciilifeform: exactly this
TomServo: It should be noted that the FBI has a lot of bitcoins to sell. In addition to drug-tainted Silk Road coins, the FBI has a much bigger stash: an estimate from Casey Research puts the figure between 5% and 10% of all bitcoins in circulation.
TomServo: ^ First I've heard of that, is this common knowledge?
mike_c: ;;calc 132000 / 12000000
gribble: 0.011
mike_c: 5% seems high to me
mircea_popescu: ok this beats all.
mircea_popescu: you're not going to believe it
mircea_popescu: argentines don't install fiber WHILE IT RAINS
chetty: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: TomServo its neither common knowledge nor actually ever documented
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps true, in that they've been mining like crazy
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I've got an alarm set to check in with you, in what - 49 years now? For your proof. :P
chetty: fbi informants demand to be paid in bitcoin!!!! (pass it on, makes a great rumor)
Blazedout419: !up only
Blazedout419: ;;gettrust assbot only
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user only: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=only | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=only | Rated since: Mon Feb 17 18:33:39 2014
Blazedout419: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
only: anyone know what is happening?
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH
mircea_popescu: only read the logs ?
only: mircea_popescu nope, sorry, am reading them right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0299996 = 0.39 BTC [+]
only: good biz for Eliptic, I guess
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a message from the queen
chetty: last time oil was getting this high we had a market crash ..............look out below
assbot: Clever piece of code exposes hidden changes to Supreme Court opinions — Tech News and Analysis
mircea_popescu: no gpg, no security.
mircea_popescu: jurov isn't this minitruth quite exactly ?
jurov: quite.
mircea_popescu: im going to make sure and raise this objection to the us supreme court's competence in any case before it, that it is unqualified to sit as a court because it scams with its published decisions.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Paddington - Official Trailer - The Weinstein Company - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00082844 = 0.9337 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: re scotus retcon diddling, obligatory:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how someone could seriously propose they're a chief justice and not gpg sign
mircea_popescu: it's like some broad in new york cca 1700 pretending she's a fashion guru and not washing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets better. military brass (sometimes! optionally!) signs. but with what: ms-outlook plugin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: key stored in what: employee badge.
BingoBoingo: Approving the Billy Hamilton bet was a mistake. There's no attractive reason to go in on yes, even as a longshot. He's fast whis is exciting, but fast doesn't win any "of the year" awards.
asciilifeform: this, one should note, is when they're 'flying the mahogany bomber.' in the field, these folks have ancient hardware that does something like civilized crypto
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.
benkay: princessnell: is http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88526387754/hey-look-what-i-made-pretty-cool-huh this a chart of how much the various countries are subsidizing exports?
assbot: hey look what i made. pretty cool huh. - Mystery of the Mundane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
princessnell: benkay specifically, of medium/long-term loan guarantees from G-7 export credit agencies
princessnell: there's a ton more subsidies that aren't counted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
benkay: fascinating.
benkay: so this is why the peso isn't doomed.
mircea_popescu: princessnell shouldn't they be accounted ?
mircea_popescu: !up terpy
mircea_popescu: terpy who're you ?
princessnell: mircea_popescu this graph is meant to address a specific policy issue. but sure someone should be keeping tabs on that.
davout: pankkake: "it comes with a special status" <<< a mod in a local section of the forum isn't much more than a glorified janitor
mircea_popescu: princessnell a ok.
davout: pankkake: granted i get access to some additionnal derpage in the form of access to the "staff" section
davout: (also donators, where goat made some splendid display of butthurt)
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I saw a great baseball play a few days ago - huge hit into outfield, outfielder duffs the catch (bounces off his glove), has this brief moment of confusion before running after it and lobbing it all the way back to home base, and the batter is run out. Now I can't find it. Jog any memories?
jurov: !up BigBitz
jurov: !up BigBitz
los_pantalones: fluffypony yoenis cespedes
los_pantalones: he did it twice now
los_pantalones: in a short period of time
mike_c: the new price chart is awesome. i <3 atc.blockr.io
fluffypony: los_pantalones: tks
fluffypony: los_pantalones: that throw was insane, I couldn't believe the distance it covered, and it looked like such a lazy lob
mircea_popescu: would be even better with volume :D
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That happens at least once a week probably...
atcbot: 16k@260 35k@250 2k@240 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Now on Friday one of the actually rare triple plays happened, though no the still rarer unassisted version http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/06/cardinals-turn-triple-play/10109459/
assbot: Cardinals turn triple play with bases loaded
los_pantalones: only 2 things i enjoy about baseball...
los_pantalones: 1) yelling "BALK"
los_pantalones: 2) someone stealing home
BingoBoingo: Those are great things.
asciilifeform: what's 'balk'? like 'tilt' in pinball?
BingoBoingo: I also like fan interference
los_pantalones: if the pitcher starts to go into his pitching motion towards the plate
los_pantalones: but then stops
los_pantalones: and does anything elese
los_pantalones: runners advance
asciilifeform: false-start ?
los_pantalones: it's the most subjective call in most sports
BingoBoingo: All of the great completely subjective calls live in baseball
los_pantalones: you could call balk one out of every 3 pitches
los_pantalones: in my "pulled totally out of my ass" book of stats
Apocalyptic: los_pantalones, note that he can properly pull out of the pitching motion
Apocalyptic: then he's allowed to do whatever he wants
BingoBoingo: Delay of game is another one of those things called too infrequently. By the book the pitcher has 12 seconds to unload the ball
los_pantalones: i like yelling "Defensive 3 seconds" at bball games too
los_pantalones: i'm that horrible person that shouldn't be there in the 1st place
BingoBoingo: At least it isn't the traditional Philadelphia throwing of batteries.
BingoBoingo: The meta-game of trying to call Tommy Johns surgeries well in advance is also an interesting game.
assbot: Harrison Ford Injured on the 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Set - Hollywood Reporter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0238 = 0.119 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 489020.64 in 1120 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.64
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.5, Best ask: 588.7, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 586.5, 24 hour volume: 14120.94970484, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 614.907414164
mike_c: feds are scaring people
kakobrekla: 500 here we come.
bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305478 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378
bitcoinpete: back to almost 96k th/s
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: time to load up
assbot: NASA's real life Enterprise may take us to other star systems one day
kakobrekla: bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be.
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: lol ya same
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now?
bitcoinpete: on fluffex?
bitcoinpete: the other real bitcoin stock exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-]
fluffypony: hmmmmm
fluffypony: maybe we should do it properly
fluffypony: distributed anonymous corporation
jurov: first, only and fluffy
fluffypony: on MasterFluff
kakobrekla: many hater here but our statistic say all:
kakobrekla: 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!
kakobrekla: and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit
fluffypony: you have to buy Fluffcoins
Apocalyptic: Fluffmaid imo
fluffypony: SafeFluff
bitcoinpete: fluffereum
fluffypony: then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade
fluffypony: or sell shares on Myfluffyium Local Trader
bitcoinpete: and buy on fluffstamp
Apocalyptic: where is that from kako ?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all:
kakobrekla: 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!
kakobrekla: and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit
kakobrekla: o fuck
assbot: Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet
kakobrekla: bad paste there sorry.
Apocalyptic: url says it all, I see nao
kakobrekla: fluffypony you gonna do GLFSE too ?
fluffypony: BitcoinFlourse
davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic
davout: let's invite flotcoin and have some fun
kakobrekla: floge?
kakobrekla: ;;ud floge
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Floge | The hole left behind from a penis piercing, a derogatory term for any real douche- bag (man that Matt Damon is such a floge)
fluffypony: Flogecoin of course
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: or that...
davout: <+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this
davout: floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss!
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible?
fluffypony: so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY
bitcoinpete: laugh a day...
bitcoinpete: f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise
dub: f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: spaceporn
bitcoinpete: now we're talking
Apocalyptic: dat klye...
bitcoinpete: we can americanize that japanese shit
jurov: africanize
jurov: like, hentai with black characters?
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz
dub: ;;ud fluffer
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffer | fluffer. (noun) a person in the adult entertainment industry whose job it is to give male porno stars blowjobs in order to get them ready to perform. Where's my ...
davout: dub: lmao
bitcoinpete: jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there
assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale
mike_c: oh wow
mircea_popescu: !up sHINOBI_CZ
kakobrekla: -assets should make a bid, like 29500.
mike_c: !bid 29501
bitcoinpete: "On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so is this bccb v2.0 ?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid
jborkl: mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews
kakobrekla: fluffypony so?
mike_c: this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them?
dub: ;;market sell 29501
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds
jborkl: like or no like
kakobrekla: no, just offer btc straight
bitcoinpete: ;;market buy 29501
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds
kakobrekla: no conversion.
davout: nice dip! x.eur to the moon!
kakobrekla: its gonna be the highest bid.
assbot: Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess.
mircea_popescu: <dub> f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax << lol
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ?
bitcoinpete: this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months
mike_c: "Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer."
kakobrekla: o fuck then we are out.
mircea_popescu: "The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States."
mircea_popescu: someone warned them about BingoBoingo buying it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah
mike_c: hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't it cunt?
mike_c: he's a foreigner.
fluffypony: so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address?
fluffypony: disappointing.
kakobrekla: anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday
BingoBoingo: wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: no?
BingoBoingo: 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
mircea_popescu: "its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence."
mike_c: i hope warren buys them all
mircea_popescu: scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th
mircea_popescu: forum dumb : a tyvm that does a lot.
assbot: Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: "BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: burt is kinda putting the elbow grease in huh
BingoBoingo: Where is this conversation like thing?
BingoBoingo: Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined.
fluffypony: "We are in violent agreement."
Apocalyptic: I don't even...
pankkake: davout: but no VIP section?
pankkake: wow btc going down
TheNewDeal: I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up
pankkake: understandable, no one should take their users serisously
pankkake: well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail
pankkake: as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000
davout: pankkake: dem sikrit sections i see -> http://i.imgur.com/wqy9zV2.png
pankkake: oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one?
jborkl: 6 in a row for ghash
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol
pankkake: somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts
Apocalyptic: <pankkake> somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that
kakobrekla: maybe he knew the window isnt real.
davout: pankkake: the guy is vip?
pankkake: I thought it was the spoon
pankkake: davout: all scammers are vip
kakobrekla: or mods!
davout: i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy
pankkake: I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams
davout: kakobrekla: OR FRENCH
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-]
pankkake: davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail
pankkake: it's just that usagi is "still there"
mircea_popescu: <davout> i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time.
mircea_popescu: our very own ito calculus expert.
davout: mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable
mircea_popescu: in this.
pankkake: but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi
Apocalyptic: pankkake, shocking !
assbot: Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22 <mirce - Pastebin.com
Apocalyptic: the forum is a cesspool
pankkake: pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point
assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale
mircea_popescu: chetty logs :D
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
TheNewDeal: I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so
TheNewDeal: be forwarned
chetty: lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here
pankkake: "Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh
jborkl: davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not bad
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: wow 2012 logs
mircea_popescu: fluffypony sure.
fluffypony: didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for *that* long
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract
davout: mircea_popescu: haha nice paste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: nvm read that wrong
davout: pankkake: didn't find much
Apocalyptic: Seems like he dropped it by now
fluffypony: my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed
davout: pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: he told me that *I don't even know* the stuff he's working on, and by trolling *I've messed up and am going to miss out big* on his super-sekrit stuff
davout: wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business?
pankkake: if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not inputs.io 2.0
pankkake: anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses
Apocalyptic: which he obviously is
fluffypony: when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dub: davout: eskimobob
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4}
davout: dub: oic
dub: he IPO'd a pottery kiln
kakobrekla: in ltc.
davout: fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever.
fluffypony: davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers.
davout: hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC
pankkake: why can't you manipulate the price davout :(
pankkake: or at least tell me in advance
pankkake: scam!
kakobrekla: ask me
davout: pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932
davout: XD
TheNewDeal: oooo loving it
kakobrekla: i unloaded some at 480
kakobrekla: need to buy a new fridge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: who wants to buy a spy house?
assbot: U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey
mthreat: i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals
mircea_popescu: The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement.
mircea_popescu: ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms
mike_c: no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank.
Azelphur: I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower
mike_c: is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower.
mircea_popescu: mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c all us baths are half baths to begin with
mircea_popescu: no bidet
mike_c: hehe
Azelphur: mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped
mike_c: 4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office.
mircea_popescu: so it's 4 rooms basically.
mike_c: well, four walled off rooms with doors.
mike_c: then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc.
mike_c: plus a basement! it's a steal.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
Apocalyptic: unfinished
mike_c: montclair is ritzy. pricey town.
mircea_popescu: what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other
mircea_popescu: does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ?
mike_c: it's got old money. enormous mansions.
mircea_popescu: yes but what's that do for me ?
mike_c: you get to mow their lawns for money.
mike_c: plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc.
mircea_popescu: so basically this is a parent scam thing.
mike_c: yes
mike_c: parents and russian spies
mircea_popescu: "come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education"
mircea_popescu: if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11
mircea_popescu: it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood
mircea_popescu: (and is, for that matter)
mike_c: here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25
mike_c: and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5
davout: mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin
dub: here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't
mircea_popescu: all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class
mircea_popescu: you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ?
mircea_popescu: he expects (and gets) a premium
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: oh my price is just jumping around, so fun
pankkake: 0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW
pankkake: 0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲
pankkake: lol bitcoin-central liquidity
pankkake: 0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼
kakobrekla: bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol.
mike_c: nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting.
fluffypony: pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!"
pankkake: but forum mod is scammer
jurov sold for 494 this time xD
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633
davout: pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit
davout: the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305489 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4}
TheNewDeal: using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago.
benkay: nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu
benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate
gribble: USFDA penalties on Indian pharma cos disproportionate, Anand ...: <http://www.firstbiz.com/corporate/usfda-penalties-indian-pharma-cos-disproportionate-anand-sharma-complains-75841.html>; Issues In Regulating the Price Level - Regulation Body of Knowledge: <http://regulationbodyofknowledge.org/price-level-regulation/issues-in-regulating-the-price-level/>; India says US FDA imposed (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal wasn't it more like 650 ?
benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate trilema
benkay: eh
assbot: Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole
mike_c: don't tweet that link, you'll get banned
pankkake: I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds
pankkake: and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell
pankkake: I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air
pankkake: you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity
fluffypony: greasidity
mircea_popescu: pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves.
pankkake: I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked
pankkake: working there = worst than a nuclear plant
BingoBoingo: At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: exactly
kakobrekla: eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive.
kakobrekla: you dont even have to clean your teeth with http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/510doramad.png afterwards
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10 / 600
gribble: 0.0166666666667
assbot: My risk assessment of Bitstamp - Pastebin.com
kakobrekla: takes them a long time to do 1+1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+]
assbot: Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: now what was yur prediction ?
benkay: someone tweet at these jackholes for me: https://twitter.com/discourse
assbot: Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter
benkay: "hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU"
mike_c: oh geez
TheNewDeal: found a good line in that "risk assessment"
TheNewDeal: I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit
TheNewDeal: , market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve.
mike_c: i was way off. even with my backup guess
davout: TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
davout: fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude
mike_c: my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor.
mircea_popescu: what, unnanounced ?!
mike_c: well, unannounced yet!
mircea_popescu: not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say
mircea_popescu: not the fucking other way around.
mircea_popescu: gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code.
mircea_popescu: uh i mean TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: hahaha
mircea_popescu: "24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone."
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits:533"
mircea_popescu: ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people.
mircea_popescu: good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april.
mike_c: well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :)
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3
mike_c: hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor
mircea_popescu: o shit i totally forgot about the bet
mircea_popescu: you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,.
kakobrekla: lol mike_c , ty!
mike_c: it was for charity
mircea_popescu: a that, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D
mircea_popescu: also first and biggest.
mircea_popescu: there goes...
mircea_popescu: mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ?
mike_c: no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet)
BingoBoingo: It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though
mircea_popescu: secret ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+]
mike_c: not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :)
mike_c wriggles off hook
mircea_popescu: im curious as a cat what can you ask of me.
mike_c: now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay..
mike_c: but i guess they are both short BTC
mircea_popescu: so buy one sell the other logically
mike_c: can't sell either
mike_c: i can't create either one
mircea_popescu: bitch @davout, iirc he had some method
davout: not for dirty muricans
mircea_popescu: or borrow from someone who holds either
mike_c: after all the nice things i said about frenchies today.
davout: mike_c: :3
davout: that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example
davout: buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation
mircea_popescu: ;;seen bugpowder
gribble: bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
mircea_popescu: davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really.
mircea_popescu: instead of buying btc for their 30mn.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc.
davout: how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay?
mike_c: well they can now.
mike_c: ;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 17237400
mircea_popescu: davout the same way you would by investing in bitpay.
davout: i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong
davout: hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative
mike_c: like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+]
davout: you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment?
mike_c: right.
mircea_popescu: davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit.
mircea_popescu: much like mtgox in its heyday.
davout: i was understanding this a bit differently
kakobrekla: stamp is doing same.
mircea_popescu: davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier.
davout: the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops
mircea_popescu: mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess.
davout: right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?"
mircea_popescu: "not even real" estate.
mircea_popescu: davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous
mike_c: i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers
mircea_popescu: i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity.
mircea_popescu: it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par.
davout: for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no?
mircea_popescu: davout sure. so ?
davout: that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate
mircea_popescu: only to the most naive of perspectives.
mircea_popescu: obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was.
mike_c: if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment..
mike_c: damnit
mircea_popescu: they're just neobee in slow motion basically.
mircea_popescu: mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D
mike_c: i was doing something else
mircea_popescu: so was i
mircea_popescu: and she just came
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.30076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,089.
mike_c: fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee
mircea_popescu sings .. i'm the king of the repartee, the asshole vip...
mike_c: but that is saying very little
mircea_popescu: mike_c sure. hence the slow motion.
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ?
davout: well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two?
mike_c: what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors.
mircea_popescu: i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e
mircea_popescu: davout yes, the neobee connection
mircea_popescu: mike_c private acquisition is also scam.
mike_c: davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime
mike_c: no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree)
davout: mike_c: they published the figures?
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're rare.
mike_c: davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: see whatsapp
davout: mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D
mircea_popescu: the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy s.mg, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait
mircea_popescu: this we know they're not doing.
BingoBoingo: First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch?
davout: the question i'm asking is "how do you know?"
mike_c: because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones.
davout: mike_c: makes sense, ty!
mircea_popescu: lol on 5th pass
TheNewDeal: this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip
mircea_popescu: be sure to take the time to type
TheNewDeal: need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early
mircea_popescu: do you know what peristalsis means ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shouldn't it be wizard ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not a woman
fluffypony: bed time, yo
fluffypony: night all
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well
davout: aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed?
mircea_popescu: hm i guess you're right
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mircea_popescu: davout in theory.
davout: i guess not for bitpay
davout: you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments
mircea_popescu: once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber...
davout: i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially
davout: just had a look at their "team" page
davout: 31 employees
davout: they must be burning quite some cash
mircea_popescu: from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year.
kakobrekla: wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012
kakobrekla: o wait nvm
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely
midnightmagic: also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin
asciilifeform read log - floored
asciilifeform: S.FUSSA!
ThickAsThieves scrapes asciilifeform from the ground.
asciilifeform: ('former')
BingoBoingo: Another problem with Bitpay is they have a habit of hiring "names" http://www.coindesk.com/elizabeth-ploshay-joins-bitpay/
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Board Member Elizabeth Ploshay Joins BitPay
ThickAsThieves: oh geez...
davout: mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume
ThickAsThieves: she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference
midnightmagic: inb4 someone finds englund's rehire
ThickAsThieves: but i cant imagine what she;d offer bitpay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2421 = 0.7263 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ set to 2 years load raw data ?
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dub: she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/
kakobrekla: i found that rtbtc goes back enough
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member?
kakobrekla: also check this out, 2 years or derping
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kakobrekla: 60% loss
kakobrekla: if my maff is right.
bloctoc: if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get.
ThickAsThieves: a flimsy point
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: ad-hoc ir spectrometer discussion: no dice. not that you can't train, e.g. neural net to distinguish mdma from shoe polish - you can. but the objective of identifying synthesis byproducts (basement lab folks rarely bother with recrystallization) - this one takes actual brains.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a toy.
ThickAsThieves: ascii, i finished anathem, thanks
asciilifeform: a toy that will hasten the owner's death, if used as theorized here
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: fun
mircea_popescu: the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers.
mircea_popescu: hard to hasten
asciilifeform: 'risk homeostasis'
mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death.
ThickAsThieves: and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far
mircea_popescu: it is a great book
asciilifeform: so far my favourite taleb is that link mp posted earlier
ThickAsThieves: it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form
davout: mircea_popescu: donner?
mircea_popescu: whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers
mircea_popescu: which is kinda why blogs beat books.
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mircea_popescu: davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died.
mircea_popescu: and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: ^ earlier discussion of items like the taleb notes
davout: mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD
mircea_popescu: i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same
asciilifeform: quite true, not the same. which is why it's a crying shame gauss, etc. didn't get to print their notebooks while at their best
mircea_popescu: i wonder if taleb reads this line before he dies.
asciilifeform: doesn't much matter, he already 'did the right thing'
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bloctoc: I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other.
ThickAsThieves: i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months
ThickAsThieves: he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case?
mircea_popescu: "IPO - 6/12/12 Seat Price: $1.54 BTC Distributed: 0
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he doesn't have peers.
ThickAsThieves: fair enough
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: taleb, as i understand, bet on us collapse, raked in the dough.
mircea_popescu: he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer.
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ThickAsThieves: it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense
mircea_popescu: yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia
ThickAsThieves: but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint
ThickAsThieves: has he ever commented on bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: nothing substantial
mircea_popescu: but i'd love to have him in here.
davout: from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance
asciilifeform: afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it
kakobrekla: ok, maff
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mircea_popescu: davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people.
ThickAsThieves: kako haz a sock!
mircea_popescu: which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous
davout: how is it dangerous?
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asciilifeform: good point, actually. anyone else find it interesting that the man still lives?
mircea_popescu: davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted"
mircea_popescu: it worked for rice by presidential decree
davout: asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true
ThickAsThieves: hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety
mircea_popescu: there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy
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mircea_popescu: and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party.
asciilifeform: i bet mr. t is cleaning ak as we speak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore.
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asciilifeform: ;;google Andrei Amalrik
gribble: Andrei Amalrik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Amalrik>; ANDREI AMALRIK Part 1 - Stetson University: <http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik1.html>; ANDREI AMALRIK WILL THE SOVIET UNION SURVIVE TO 1984: <http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik2.html>
asciilifeform: ^ predicted the collapse of ussr, off by 1/2 decade
asciilifeform: died in suspicious accident.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ?
assbot: Andrei Amalrik Notes
assbot: Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard
asciilifeform: tungsten standard.
mircea_popescu: eh total bs source
mircea_popescu: forbes didn't say that.
mircea_popescu: wait. he did ?!
ThickAsThieves: “Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.”
mircea_popescu: apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00083144 = 42.9023 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: grammar question: "the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt accept it
benkay: grounds of?
ThickAsThieves: it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh
ThickAsThieves: the time is either nigh, now, or passed
benkay: lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure
mircea_popescu: the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh, if not upon us already
dub: already upon us, surely
mircea_popescu: dub it's not globally warmed enough yet.
benkay: "surely nigh if not already upon us".
benkay: implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it.
benkay: huh i seem to like this word.
mircea_popescu: your eye impaled upon the impending ?
benkay: on it?
benkay: my gaze upon it
benkay: okay derailment over thanks gents
davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716003 <<< curious about why
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ThickAsThieves: cuz it'd draw more attention to his ideas?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2546 @ 0.00083213 = 2.1186 BTC [+]
davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00082807 = 18.2589 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look
mircea_popescu: for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ?
mircea_popescu: s paranoid enough.
davout: i see
benkay: 30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee?
benkay: shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's
mircea_popescu: benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it
mircea_popescu: this is how the generation of your father failed.
bloctoc: benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money.
mircea_popescu: actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate
bloctoc: is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago?
assbot: Place prediction on: Bitcoins seized from Silk Road will be sold for > $600 each
mircea_popescu: s'ont raté
asciilifeform: 'fairlay' ?!
asciilifeform: 'durasell' for bitbet?
thestringpuller: what's durasell?
ThickAsThieves: duracell
ThickAsThieves: and energizer
benkay: no derpacel
asciilifeform: 'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores'
mircea_popescu: sincerest form of flattery and all that.
asciilifeform: leaks in a few days
asciilifeform: i'dave panicked but russian education (childhood scraping out gunk from leaked sov. batteries)
asciilifeform: i also once saw 'parasonic'
asciilifeform: there's probably a number of these.
benkay: into w
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benkay: dorp, 'scuse me.
cazalla: tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void
asciilifeform: (really wanna play? it's in various pnohe 'app stores' ! believe or not)
cazalla: we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing
asciilifeform: what was 'brick' ?
asciilifeform: actual masonry ?
dub: lol
dub: I got a rock
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18722 @ 0.00083213 = 15.5791 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: you poor kids
asciilifeform: btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door.
asciilifeform: these gizmos were prized rarities.
dub: I got actual computers
asciilifeform: we did get an actual computer - 'iskra' - shortly before bailing
benkay: i never didn't have dsl
benkay: now guess how old i am
dub: the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv
asciilifeform: i still remember the shock of encountering widgets that resembled actual comp but weren't programmable.
asciilifeform: (tv consoles)
asciilifeform: said 'wtf'
dub: but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64
asciilifeform: dub: had same, after coming to usa
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dub: no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass
asciilifeform: chain.com << 'i dontwanna use the blockchain, mitm me please'
kakobrekla: It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi
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kakobrekla: USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here.
mircea_popescu: <dub> but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too
mircea_popescu: " The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that."
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mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot unbalanced
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user unbalanced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=unbalanced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=unbalanced | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced
mircea_popescu: srsly get in the wot will you.
unbalanced: Thanks, it's on my to do list.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: this c64 talk reminds me, the owner of krakow bar in san telmo is an oldschool c64 hacker from poland. http://www.krakow-cafe.com.ar/
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mircea_popescu: prolly should have a drink with him then
mircea_popescu: course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48
unbalanced: Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help.
mthreat: actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed
mthreat: he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak
asciilifeform: c32 << prob. vic-20
unbalanced: No Commodore32 but maybe the Amiga CD32: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32
assbot: Amiga CD32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: amiga ya
asciilifeform: amiga << nothing like c64. almost a real computer.
unbalanced: Vic-20, those were the days.
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asciilifeform: sank the company, too
mircea_popescu: so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there.
asciilifeform: (not compatible with massive c64 cult install base)
diametric: so SR coins up for auction
diametric: soon anyway
diametric: should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while
mthreat: mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there
asciilifeform: diametric: yes
mircea_popescu: justusranvier so much lulz in there.
justusranvier: It doesn't look so good for the appcoin pumpers
mircea_popescu: for them, no.
mircea_popescu: We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland,
mircea_popescu: this is like textbook dumb.
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mircea_popescu: “All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin,” said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SEC’s enforcement director in a press release. “We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies.”
mircea_popescu: lawl. they do not apply, they never will apply.
mircea_popescu: Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, “It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an ‘appearance of market manipulation’, or an ‘unintended market manipulation’.” <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation.
mircea_popescu: cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pretty good reporting from Kashmir Hill
justusranvier: DId you read the pastebin?
mircea_popescu: justusranvier the unbalanced one ? yua
justusranvier: To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox.
mircea_popescu: Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvine’s team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the “pump-and-dump” that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a “hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.” “You better be ready to buy the second it goes live,” he wrote.
justusranvier: What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him.
mircea_popescu: "startups"
mircea_popescu: a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view.
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justusranvier: Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway.
mircea_popescu: byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does.
mircea_popescu: "vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored.
mircea_popescu: that's good then.
unbalanced: I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge.
mircea_popescu: people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news.
unbalanced: I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough.
unbalanced: It took place right inside Ethereum HQ
unbalanced: By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things!
mircea_popescu: on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math
ThickAsThieves: the cult takes new forms over time
unbalanced: Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe.
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mircea_popescu: on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway.
unbalanced: I usually *give off* the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism.
mircea_popescu: just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism.
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mircea_popescu: this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die.
mircea_popescu: if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars.
mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced
mircea_popescu: srsly get with that wot
mircea_popescu: justusranvier not bad.
unbalanced: Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all
unbalanced: Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab.
mircea_popescu: why's your gpg in a vm anyway
unbalanced: But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use.
mircea_popescu: well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25549 @ 0.00083163 = 21.2473 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. It’s possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all.
unbalanced: I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux.
mircea_popescu: how is blockchain any less anon than cash ?
mircea_popescu: unbalanced oic
justusranvier: Because there are always sidechannels
justusranvier: And badly written clients
unbalanced: Carelessness + pattern recognition etc.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier so are there for cash.
mircea_popescu: talkative prostitutes and bills of sale
justusranvier: Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger
mircea_popescu: according to whom ?
justusranvier: Is there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill?
mircea_popescu: all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can
mircea_popescu: but you're not proposing the correct equivalence
justusranvier: Sure, but that can't traced its history
mircea_popescu: neither can bitcoin's.
justusranvier: In many cases, you can.
mircea_popescu: in many cases you can for cash too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: like, if you leave a fingerprint on a bill
mircea_popescu: or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery
justusranvier: All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever.
justusranvier: People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information
mircea_popescu: i doubt this is true.
mircea_popescu: because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction
justusranvier: This isn't even a particularly good tool, and it breakes blockchain.info mixing: http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/
assbot: CoinJoin Sudoku | Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research.
mircea_popescu: there's little way to avoid it. not so with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: blockchain.info mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing.
justusranvier: I'll suggest that
mircea_popescu: so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake
mircea_popescu: getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.
mircea_popescu: much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00083321 = 37.6611 BTC [+]
justusranvier: I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually.
justusranvier: Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though
mircea_popescu: this boggles. what do you mean eventually ?
mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there.
mircea_popescu: anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ?
justusranvier: It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes.
justusranvier: There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile
mircea_popescu: so basically the idea is to make it more accessible ?
justusranvier: Basically
mircea_popescu: cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg
mircea_popescu: you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ?
justusranvier: All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages.
justusranvier: Or subject lines
mircea_popescu: lol because why ?
mircea_popescu: an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to.
mircea_popescu: it can be read in transit by any party that wishes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !up chax
asciilifeform: !up unbalanced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00030166 = 0.3017 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: or - privacy. aha
mircea_popescu: privacee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded
asciilifeform: for dumb stego, easy to test.
mircea_popescu: as a sort of pastebin email thing
asciilifeform: one fellow came up with... 1 in 5
unbalanced: Thanks ascii.
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ?
unbalanced: I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG.
asciilifeform: (dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup
asciilifeform once spent most of a year experimenting with image stego
asciilifeform: stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto
unbalanced: I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me.
mircea_popescu: happy friday the 13th btw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2}
unbalanced: So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up:
unbalanced: "This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing"
unbalanced: It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!"
unbalanced: Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2}
unbalanced: I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23705 @ 0.00082781 = 19.6232 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.outguess.org/detection.php << basic example
assbot: OutGuess - Steganography Detection
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,183.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold" http://bitbet.us/bet/758/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.60773929 BTC. Current weight: 7,264.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00083207 = 7.1891 BTC [+]
unbalanced: Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced i dunnowhat it does, never used it
mircea_popescu: you got no cli ?
mircea_popescu: !up teward
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22457 @ 0.00082657 = 18.5623 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust teward
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=teward | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=teward | Rated since: Thu Jan 16 14:58:46 2014
mircea_popescu: hm, who're you teward ?
unbalanced: Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point
teward: mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot
teward: (OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc)
mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward New blood.
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded.
unbalanced: Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message.
mircea_popescu: you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble
teward: this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :)
teward: i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P
asciilifeform: cli gpg is friendly
asciilifeform: why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys
teward: agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :)
asciilifeform: GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ???
mircea_popescu: anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ?
asciilifeform: i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade
mircea_popescu: where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ?
mircea_popescu: he was going to make and export a privkey for you
teward: asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys.
asciilifeform: (they should offer a pay service! i bet chumps would flood in)
asciilifeform: 'insist on NSA™ quality!'
mircea_popescu: "Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn’t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives."
mircea_popescu: justusranvier groks it.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what it fucking is.
asciilifeform: random.gov
mircea_popescu: ".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ?
asciilifeform: !up unbalanced
justusranvier: Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter.
asciilifeform: random.gov, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged
justusranvier: If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well, more like, you know, rakim.
justusranvier: And that's a fine condition for particupation
mircea_popescu: actually, do you know rakim ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12006 @ 0.00082542 = 9.91 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: I know Rakim!
justusranvier: I remember that now
thestringpuller: I meet him a lot.
mircea_popescu: i thought rakim was like the goatse guy
asciilifeform: seems like we've all met him
mircea_popescu: sorta universal meme
justusranvier: I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them."
mircea_popescu: anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter.
thestringpuller: You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology.
thestringpuller: ;;ud nigga technology
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+technology | Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ...
thestringpuller: Nigga technology only does one thing.
thestringpuller: Let dumb niggas
thestringpuller: talk about dumb nigga shit
thestringpuller: to other dumb niggas.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh come on
asciilifeform: ;;google naggum by mouse instead of by lever
gribble: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861>; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum: <http://naggum.no/worse-is-better.html>
mircea_popescu: If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it’s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping
mircea_popescu: anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker
unbalanced: BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message.
mircea_popescu: "Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds… scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav
mircea_popescu: oidably since... 2012.
unbalanced: So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists.
mircea_popescu: actually nm, you get it exactly one paragraph down.
unbalanced: Next up, gribble, reading on.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Recieved
unbalanced: Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/
assbot: Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 340 @ 0.0003016 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2}
unbalanced: Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now.
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/ << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ?
assbot: Bitcoin Is Sedition | Bitcoinism
mircea_popescu: course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway
unbalanced: It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read?
unbalanced: Oh you're way ahead of me.
unbalanced: That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me.
unbalanced: This just in, people... PKI works. That is all.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers
unbalanced: Where else do the cool kids hang out?
BingoBoingo: The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well.
unbalanced: Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up.
unbalanced: Like if you have 20 keys.
[]bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Germany to net more than 7 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/938/
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mircea_popescu: ;;ident unbalanced
gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced
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