Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00087671 = 4.1644 BTC [+]
artifexd: mircea_popescu or kakobrekla Can you straighten me out on some terminology?
kakobrekla: in regards to what
artifexd: Bitbet
kakobrekla: well i can give it a shot
artifexd: A proposition is an unapproved bet, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12974 @ 0.00088054 = 11.4241 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: What is it called after it is approved?
artifexd: A bet?
artifexd: What do people place on that bet?
kakobrekla: bets :)
artifexd: There's my confusion. Bet refers to the thing being placed and the thing upon which it is placed.
kakobrekla: correct
artifexd: Well... fuck
kakobrekla: its lispy!
artifexd: Do you have different names for them in your database?
kakobrekla: different from what
artifexd: I imagine that there is a database with a table of bets and a table of, uh, bets. Both tables can't be called bets.
TheNewDeal: bets and betbets
artifexd: It would fit with the twitter names: BitBets and BitBetsBets
kakobrekla: hehe did you take that from twitter TheNewDeal ?
TheNewDeal: getting all the lelz tonight
artifexd: I guess I'll just go with "New bet created" vs "New bet placed"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088119 = 16.3461 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: tim-tams
tim-tams: thenewdeal hey
TheNewDeal: you came here searching for knowledge?
tim-tams: looking for a sponsor actually haha
TheNewDeal: what exactly is this?
tim-tams: "this" as in the sponsorship?
TheNewDeal: yeahs
tim-tams: I run YouMeAndBTC.com and host the weekly podcast there
TheNewDeal: what would that be
tim-tams: we're headed to a Bitcoin conference and are gonna interview some people
tim-tams: looking for a sponsor who would be mentioned every time we talk about the conference in our show
tim-tams: some banner space included too
TheNewDeal: for how much
tim-tams: our budget for the whole trip is $1400 and I got one sponsor for half that. So $700 more for an equal spot
tim-tams: I can provide a more detailed budget if you so desire
TheNewDeal: not too concerned
TheNewDeal: wheres the conference?
tim-tams: Washington DC
tim-tams: Bitcoin in the Beltway
tim-tams: is that something you'd be interested in? you have a product/service?
TheNewDeal: can I pay like 5$ for you to include a small middle finger dedicated to the Chief of Operations of Butterfly Labs?
tim-tams: haha maybe ;)
mircea_popescu: tim-tams sup ?
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> Well... fuck << talk to english ;/
artifexd: Yeah...
TheNewDeal: charlie shrem is going to be there!
TheNewDeal: fack I'm gonna buy a ticket and go smoke some dope with him
tim-tams: mircea_popescu hey there, would you be interested in a deal like the one described above?
tim-tams: joecool said to contact you
mircea_popescu: i don't know you, why would i give you bitcoin ?
TheNewDeal: i massage very gentle, you give bitcoin
tim-tams: mircea_popescu haha to get your name out there, advertising and such
tim-tams: we're hoping to interview some people, and we'll definitely talk about the presentations a ton on the show
tim-tams: you'll be mentioned every time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087877 = 28.4721 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ident tim-tams
gribble: Nick 'tim-tams', with hostmask 'tim-tams!~pi@pool-108-17-65-93.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'tim-tams', with GPG key id 3C45E4F1E6017AD9, key fingerprint 0EB2043388023608246A68E83C45E4F1E6017AD9, and bitcoin address 188tePebVzHGniSWuh2azFpmQkrSVrn39H
mircea_popescu: to... get my name out there ?
mircea_popescu: what show.
tim-tams: YouMeAndBTC.com
tim-tams: we have a weekly podcast
tim-tams: I was expecting the sponsorship to be a form of advertising but if you'd rather just sponsor us because you think it's a good use of your money (which it would be ;) ) then we're ok with that haha
mircea_popescu: your blog got 0 comments the past month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw7dwBSnG0 < you get like... 72 views ?
ozbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: in order for you to advertise me you have to have more media exposure than me, not vice-versa.
tim-tams: yeah that makes sense, understandable, you're right, we're not very big, somewhat new
mircea_popescu: enthusiasm is good, don't get me wrong, but you're not there yet.
tim-tams: yeah no problem, you're right, we definitely need to grow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087877 = 10.8967 BTC [-]
benkay: oh it's assbot and i'm late to the party again
benkay: <kakobrekla> its lispy! // gtfo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34988 @ 0.00087934 = 30.7663 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27345 @ 0.00088189 = 24.1153 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Do you have any experience with Charity fundraising?
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: If you do manage to get the funds for this thing I'll sponsor some efforts of yours to raise awareness for a very important charity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087753 = 11.1885 BTC [-] {2}
tim-tams: BingoBoingo no experience but yes, we'd love to do some charity work
tim-tams: what did you have in mind?
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: The Charity is my left nut. It learned to kick itself. I want other people to know the fear I have. That their testicals too can learn to kick themselves.
tim-tams: sounds awesome haha
tim-tams: we've been supporting that cause for years
BingoBoingo: I wish I had a third nut, so I could just tell this left one to STFU.
Naphex: morning
BingoBoingo: Morning Naphex
Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
Naphex: aye
fluffypony: Naphex: and you didn't have any 300 000 EUR transactions in your order book!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087668 = 9.3805 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: hehe, yes, saw the price on bitcoinaverage yesterday :)0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0789999 = 1.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.041 = 1.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.079 = 1.264 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.079 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00087632 = 19.3772 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
Naphex: people should just buying pre-orders
Naphex: its dum
BingoBoingo: Well, how long did people play Gox?
pankkake: BingoBoingo: the URL is funny enough
pankkake: mtgox.com/why-we-are-solvent
pankkake: artifexd: maybe use bet and wager
BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91
assbot: Voicing paxtoncamaro91 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789999 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1817 @ 0.00012755 = 0.2318 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3531 @ 0.00012738 = 0.4498 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2273 @ 0.00012644 = 0.2874 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07899999 = 1.027 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
Naphex: lol
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: you and Samuel L Jackson have similar goals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10505 @ 0.00088111 = 9.2561 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0310001 = 0.465 BTC [-]
Naphex: !up twizt
assbot: Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.
Naphex: pff
Naphex: ;ident
Naphex: !up twizt
assbot: Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.
Naphex: !up
assbot: Need a nickname, Naphex.
pankkake: eh, you have the same success rate as me yesterday
fluffypony: !up twizt
assbot: Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.
twizt: ty so much trouble
twizt: lol
pankkake: ;;gpg info twizt
gribble: User 'twizt', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AimBm6kNoYu1jTrqFWPBewhw9phMA8Prp, registered on Fri Jan 31 11:04:43 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 29 02:06:58 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=twizt . Currently not authenticated.
twizt: y u checking me out bro
twizt: lol
fluffypony: twizt: pankkake is the #bitcoin-assets police detective
fluffypony: he'll hunt you down, yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00088149 = 4.2312 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: !t m mpif
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
pankkake: !t m s.mpif
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
pankkake: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021725 (37494 shares, 8.14 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021509 / 0.00021725 (1053350 shares, 226.57 BTC)
pankkake: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.00874758 BTC; +0.01871222 BTC (+0.0114%) since last check 6h 40m 18s ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0425 = 1.5725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031635 = 0.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19799 @ 0.00088208 = 17.4643 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dividends?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: later all
Naphex: later jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00088208 = 5.8217 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitCologne Introduction - YouTube
Naphex: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00088241 = 17.207 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 437 @ 0.00089017 = 0.389 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14251 @ 0.00088255 = 12.5772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00088378 = 3.5784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22471 @ 0.00088381 = 19.8601 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 693 @ 0.00022828 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310001 = 0.155 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Naphex: I couldn't make it through that video
fluffypony: Naphex: they lost me at "made for peer to peer interaction"
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.8, Best ask: 446.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 444.8, 24 hour volume: 6086.20975405, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 449.96, 24 hour vwap: 443.295460436
mircea_popescu: "One-third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never Ever Been Read Online, By Anyone"
mircea_popescu: time to start seriously discussing the irrelevance of the world bank. perhaps it's time it just goes away, as it has little chance of being folded into mpex.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: data relevancy
mircea_popescu: "All females regardless of race are to be inspected by a UK Border Force doctor for FGM. Passports will be stamped to mark childs FGM status."
mircea_popescu: lmao perhaps it could just move to the uk and stay there.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFogbgCUAAmfIP.jpg >> particularly productive twitter today
ozbot: Blue Ridge encounters Chinese ships near disputed isle - News - Stripes
mircea_popescu: some online news outlets to label the encounter a confrontation, which 7th Fleet officials disputed Friday.
mircea_popescu: USS Blue Ridge, the Japan-based 7th Fleet’s flagship, transited without incident near the two ships, Navy officials said.
mircea_popescu: All parties acted professionally, said 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. William Marks, who is embarked aboard Blue Ridge.
mircea_popescu: “There wasn’t any communication [with the Chinese] due to both Blue Ridge and its helicopter being a safe distance away,” Marks said.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't a confrontation : we stayed the fuck away from them, so there was no need for them to beat our living daylights out.
Naphex: damn eMag always messes up my shit
Naphex: ordered a whole pc, had to split the order so they can deliver stuff they had on inventory
Naphex: everything arrived, except the pc parts
Naphex: what am i going to do with a cooler and a PSU the whole weekend ;(
mircea_popescu: start an aquarium ?
Naphex: eh
Naphex: too boring :p
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is fascinating, i never met an emag customer before.
mircea_popescu: so you guys actually exist ?
Naphex: yeah, i get suckered in into ordering stuff
Naphex: every year or so, then i order it and regret it while i wait for stuff for weeks
Naphex: there are no local stores that carry anything high end over here
Naphex: so its either emag or its cousins
mircea_popescu: believe it or not,
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema emag
gribble: Ianuarie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/01>; Noiembrie 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/11>; Septembrie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2011/09>
Naphex: anyway emag is a big PoS
Naphex: all of my orders were above 3k$usd since ever
Naphex: never ever did they deliver on time or 'right'
Naphex: not to mention they wanted me to wire the money this last time
Naphex: and they still didn't register the payment sent 3 days ago!:(
Naphex: orders were maid and paid on monday, now its friday and all i have is a cooler+PSU.
Naphex: which were suposed to get here last
Naphex: :)
Naphex: EMAG sunt mai mult decat impostori. Sunt m*****i numai prin faptul pe care l-au facut. Numai incompetenti.
Naphex: whats that swear word?
fluffypony: mFUCKi
fluffypony: *guesses
Naphex: :))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: muisti ?
mircea_popescu: nu intra. hm... jucam rebus aici lol.
Naphex: hehe
mircea_popescu: muisti = cocksuckers in romanian. a very economic language, needs fewer letters for the concept. also reflective of the fact that romanian women are on average better trained & moar experienced with it so it doesn't take as long.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D << lol he's playing racecars on btccharts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.079 = 2.37 BTC [+]
Naphex: hehe aye, was a good day yesterday
Naphex: although there was a 120 wall at 1340
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1340/443.295460436
gribble: 3.02281462274
mircea_popescu: isn't the usd like 3.20 or so ?
Naphex: 3.12
Naphex: or 3.28
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ron usd rate
gribble: USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR>; USD to RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx>; Convert Romanian Lei (RON) and United States Dollars (USD ...: <http://coinmill.com/RON_USD.html>
mircea_popescu: dude gogle you're so fucken useless.
Naphex: ;;google 1 usd in ron
gribble: USD to RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx>; USD/RON - The Money Converter: <http://themoneyconverter.com/RON/USD.aspx>; USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR>
Naphex: doesn't look like gribble parses google calc
mircea_popescu: 3.21 dood.
mircea_popescu: prev close 3.20.
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON
mircea_popescu: 1284 trading even.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long the local fucktards realise there's a 10% arb hole available.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1284/443.295460436/ 3.21
gribble: 0.902332723206
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088369 = 8.0858 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: they realize i think
Naphex: but there is no patience,
Naphex: most people come in and exit
Naphex: yesterday was straight wall for most the day/night. 120 @ 1342 , 1344
mircea_popescu: Naphex no but i mean the derps that pretend like they're bankers and bvb traders and whatnot
mircea_popescu: meanwhile making 5k a month or something.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean the crowd that self-identify as "ibankers" ? :-P
mircea_popescu: bursa de valori bucuresti = romanian stock exchange
Naphex: quality stuff:)
Naphex: SIF SIF SIF
fluffypony: lol Google Translate
fluffypony: "robot servant in channel responds as follows"
Naphex: and tradeville ;o
mircea_popescu: Naphex back then, like 90% of the entire market cap was this one austrian conglomerate.
mircea_popescu: (which was, of course, listed on vse)
ozbot: Bursa de Valori Bucuresti
pankkake: aspx, serious bizness
Naphex: Misiune
Naphex: transformarea Bursei de Valori Bucuresti intr-unul dintre cele mai active instrumente de finantare a economiei din Romania
pankkake: Naphex: so why do you order from this emag thing if it sucks?
mircea_popescu: pankkake because he's assburgers and can't drive 50 miles to fucking vienna to buy the stuff off the shelf
mircea_popescu: he has to order from chisinev
Naphex: yeah exactly
pankkake: eww buying pc parts of the shelf?!
Naphex: and i was hoping to get it 2nd day
pankkake: so more practical to order online
mircea_popescu: no, it's not.
pankkake: though once I tried to save a few euros and ordered from multiple retailers, wasn't worth it
mircea_popescu: unless you have an actual provisioning contract with penalties for delays and misdelivery,
pankkake: anyway, the choice isn't that great in retail
mircea_popescu: the only way is to buy it physically.
mircea_popescu: not retail dood.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0008842 = 24.0945 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up chetty
assbot: Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
chetty: doods, always buy off the self, security. random stuffs is safer
chetty: god I bet that feels nice to wear
mircea_popescu: a bitch to wash prolly
davout: mircea_popescu: when i'm done with her sure
davout: unless some soupeur comes along ofc
fluffypony: lawls
fluffypony introduces davout to bleach
davout: "Dans son autobiographie One two two3, l'ex-prostituée Fabienne Jamet évoque ainsi cette pratique : « À l'époque où je dirigeais le 122, j'avais un soupeur qui me prenait trente à quarante foutres à chaque visite »4."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00447929 = 0.4479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait what
mircea_popescu: pratiquées généralement par des hommes du Marais de la rue Sainte-Anastase
davout: "On a également désigné par ce mot des individus fréquentant les maisons de prostitution, et qui prenaient plaisir à consommer généralement à même le sexe féminin la semence abandonnée par les clients précédents (ces individus étaient souvent impuissants). D'autres appellations existent pour qualifier cet acte, comme « faire dînette »."
mircea_popescu: god help us
fluffypony: "The term soupeur means and first of all individuals who take pleasure in eating food soaked in the urine of others"
mircea_popescu: i think in english that's rolled into cuckolding
fluffypony: there's that
fluffypony: right that's enough fr.wikipedia.org for the day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]
davout: fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: frenchies are fucking perverse. why not eat cum like normal people.
mircea_popescu: !up lolo
assbot: Voicing lolo for 30 minutes.
ozbot: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
ozbot: BitcoinWallet Aims to Make Digital Currency More Social, Transparent|PaymentsSource
mircea_popescu: Duminica, 26 August, Anul 4 (ie, 2012) : ron/usd = 3.58199 ; Today 9 May 2014 : ron/usd = 3.21055
Naphex: owner has a suit!
fluffypony: "We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two."
mircea_popescu: think about that! in the past couple of years, the dollar has lost ground AGAINST THE ROMANIAN LEU
pankkake: duel listing, I like it. FIGHT!
fluffypony: pankkake: ikr
fluffypony: who needs a 3VPO
fluffypony: when you can have...a DUELVPO
fluffypony: to the death!
pankkake: oh it's CryptoVest which does… something. I haven't figured out yet
Naphex: ah MrDunne
fluffypony: Naphex: with that smile I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him
pankkake: "Just Real Opportunity!" :|
mircea_popescu: "Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother."
mircea_popescu: sez doctor foreskinhead.
mircea_popescu: "If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better."
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's not wrong, assuming he's referring to the "stock" on BitcoinBourse and CryptoStocks
fluffypony: in fact
pankkake: well he's right that most are junk
fluffypony: you could bury the money as cash in the ground and dig it up over 5 years
fluffypony: *after
ozbot: Hayman Global Outlook Pitfalls and Opportunities for 2014 by Kyle Bass - YouTube
mircea_popescu: he got trampled to shit by mpoe-pr for being a fucktard, rather than admit he;'s a fucktard he prefers to claim "it was impossible anyway":
fluffypony: and whatever hasn't decomposed would still be more than investing in BitcoinBourse stocks
Apocalyptic: I like how the first question he's asked is "what do you think about bitcoin", despite it not being mentionned at all
Apocalyptic: he took the Buffet way out
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic re buffett : i chuckled at the recent sacking of that wsj reporter over calling buffet a hypocrite for no good reason.
fluffypony: anyway I was writing a blog post about the fucktards that are Coinbase before getting distracted by this, I'ma finish it
mircea_popescu: somehow they think the strategy involved is not transparent as glass, i have no idea why.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu re Kyle Bass, he is saying in that presentation that Argentina is the best country to invest in for the following years
mircea_popescu: unsurprising.
Naphex: well BB might just get 0dayd with all those PHP scripts they run
pankkake: fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6620628#msg6620628 if this guy really works for coinbase… :/
fluffypony: pankkake: his reply is what triggered the blog post I'm writing
fluffypony: or more specifically zumzero's backing
fluffypony: "Hmmmn, tricky. Go with the new poster whose first post started with a personal insult or take the advice and recommendation from an established and respected shareholder? What will Ken do? Tricky."
pankkake: I'm not sure what he even meant by that
pankkake: and who the RESPECTED shareholder is
fluffypony: pankkake: apparently my advice is worthless because I implied Ken hired an incompetent "project manager"
fluffypony: and Jasun7211's advice is golden because he's the *respektud sharezholder*
fluffypony: so he would never look out for himself
pankkake: also, lol at not using BitPay because they are "in bed with BFL"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yes man, that's how it works. take dr foreskin : he does something stupid. he's publicly told just how stupid he is. he moves on to claiming that THE WORLD IS BROKEN
mircea_popescu: anything. anything whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: anyway, basically fluffypony is sorta moving into a mpoe-pr 2.0 role here ?
mircea_popescu: curious how long that'll last.
fluffypony: I actually don't know how mpoe-pr/hanbot lasted as long as she did without quitting, I wouldn't have lasted more than a month
fluffypony: oh well yes, exactly
mircea_popescu: she's a woman.
mircea_popescu: i know what i do when i discriminate.
pankkake: I lasted in the forums because there wasn't much else I could do of my days
pankkake: insulting people on the internet was the bonus
mircea_popescu: you can only insult the willing.
pankkake: so what's your excuse, fluffypony?
mircea_popescu: i guess the rest you could rape...
fluffypony: pankkake: trolling is fun :)
fluffypony: seriously tho
fluffypony: I think there are some guys that want to do things in a way that is successful
fluffypony: and need a bit of testing-with-fire
fluffypony: so I don't mind offering constructive criticism where I can
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oWAUaZ_XZE << let's play guess the camho's age.
ozbot: CE FACEM CAND INVATAM ? - YouTube
bounce: OVER 9000!
mircea_popescu: no, it's under 9k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008838 = 2.6514 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]
Naphex: i'll go with 17
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]
fluffypony: yeah looks like jailbait
fluffypony: except not pretty enough to be jailbait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah. she's 14ish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0310001 = 0.744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00088231 = 19.7452 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00087978 = 1.6021 BTC [-]
bounce: how the fsck is a novelty headphone brand worth 3.2bn dollahs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23315 @ 0.00087961 = 20.5081 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: bounce: they've got a wide market
fluffypony: it's one of those "if you're cool you own a pair" products
fluffypony: they'll lose ground in a few years, but right now they're a hot commodity
fluffypony: if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65838 @ 0.0008852 = 58.2798 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim
bounce: but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing
fluffypony: bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs
bounce: they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing
fluffypony: pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches
pankkake: fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously
fluffypony: bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision
fluffypony: time will tell
pankkake: s/insight and vision/delusionist skills/
bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that.
bounce: the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas
Naphex: get money spend money no money?
pankkake: buy starbucks
fluffypony: pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it
Apocalyptic: Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on
fluffypony: the dude was smart that way
Naphex: meh. jobs just hyped people
Naphex: Look a computer in a phone
Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit
pankkake: how many bought an iThing and don't even use it?
Apocalyptic: dem hipsters
bounce: dunno. any market research into it?
bounce: though probably not exlusively to nor blamable on apple
pankkake: jobs sold the ipad to the press, as the thing that would save them
pankkake: it didn't work at all, but they hyped the ipad before that, hoping it would
bounce: so? plenty large companies do that, and worse. "vaporware"
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop
Naphex: i never bought an ipad
Naphex: anyway bb, off home
bounce: fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage
fluffypony: bounce: well think about how something like WhatsApp was valued - it's valuation was based on userbase and potential monetisation right?
fluffypony: something like Beats has both a loyal user base and real revenue streams
pankkake: I wonder why there's no clothing line yet
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I can give you a bit of info on that
Apocalyptic: "Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is
Apocalyptic: s/poloniex/cryptocoincharts
BigBitz: buying Beats was smart/smooth.
BigBitz: their target market for iPhone is the beat wearing morons.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2200 @ 0.00018315 = 0.4029 BTC [-] {12}
BigBitz: They're good headphones, but, at that price they're not good...
BigBitz: Dre becomes 1st hip hop billionaire..
BigBitz: that man has smarts.
BigBitz: Although isn't it Carlye Group and HTC which own most of Beats now-a-days?
fluffypony: yeah I think so
fluffypony: they are good though
BigBitz: was the Apple buy a cash buy?
fluffypony: bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago
fluffypony: and she's abused them, yet they're still going
BigBitz: yeah they are good -- just for that kind of coin they are expensive and not THAT good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]
bounce: custom fit earbuds, say
fluffypony: we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points
fluffypony: so I basically got them for "free" with the points
BigBitz: nice.
fluffypony: I don't think I would've paid cash for them
BigBitz: free is good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00087895 = 50.4517 BTC [-] {5}
bounce: you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough
BigBitz: I wouldn't be upset to get a free pair.
fluffypony: bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P
bounce: so you got some lube for getting reamed
fluffypony: bounce: exactly!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
bounce: found a book (pdf, really) by some guy who made a sport out of gaming airmiles and getting lifetime platinum diamond whatever status
bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things
fluffypony: yeah some of those reward systems can be gamed nicely if you're a big enough spender
fluffypony: ok Coinbase rant done
BigBitz: tl;dr
BigBitz: btw they do charge Merchants; if they're volume is significant.
bounce: unfunny
fluffypony: BigBitz: ah ok - I'll add that in as a sidebar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00088605 = 2.8743 BTC [+]
BigBitz: This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business?
BigBitz: Welcome to VISA/AMEX :) ie; end user does not carry th eburden of Merchant Services Charges
BigBitz: however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee.
mike_c: it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby.
BigBitz: did the Berkshire bet "get made" ?
mike_c: well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean?
BigBitz: well was the bet made...
BigBitz: like confirmed to be have taken place.
ozbot: The Official NeoCities Blog
pankkake: it's on the bitbet hompepage
BigBitz: "internal IP range" .. not sure if serious ..
fluffypony: they've published the nginx rules
BigBitz: Haha.
BigBitz: Epic.
BigBitz: I like that.
mike_c: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks.
ThickAsThieves: I'm here to bitch about fluffypony's coinbase article
fluffypony: oh lordie
mike_c: proceed
Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn
mike_c: perhaps a link first?
ThickAsThieves: Well, mostly, you are projecting all your own desires onto a business
Apocalyptic: mike_c, do you even backlog ?
ThickAsThieves: Coinbase has not obligation to be anything to you
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread
fluffypony: so it's in that context
mike_c: Apocalyptic: i was like an hour before that in catching up. so close :)
fluffypony: I can preface it with that if it'll help
ThickAsThieves: you should set it up differently then
ThickAsThieves: lile"Why I Like BitPay more than Coinbase"
ThickAsThieves: right now you just sound like a bitter customer who didnt get his way
fluffypony: yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P
bounce: bitcoinpalsucks.com
ThickAsThieves: i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post
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Apocalyptic: oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: k I'll adjust it to preface it better
Apocalyptic: as old as coinbase itself
ThickAsThieves: "Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve."
ThickAsThieves: you make that leap
bounce: "complain to the ceo of bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: but never establish their offense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48661949 = 0.9732 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: because they form a bitcoin/fiat money-changing service they are the devil?
mike_c: coinbase is only a scam if you treat it like a daytrading exchange.
mike_c: kinda like if you treat bitbet as a last-second bitcoin faucet.
ThickAsThieves: yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet
fluffypony: they're making their users treat Bitcoin payments like PayPal payments
ThickAsThieves: users are doing it to themselves
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches
princessnell: would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way?
fluffypony: a Coinbase user buys something on a site that uses Bitpay
fluffypony: they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address
fluffypony: presumably + BIP 70 in the future
fluffypony: they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever
fluffypony: and have the money sucked out their bank account
fluffypony: and pay their 1%
ThickAsThieves: also, yknow your Coinbase thinks America is Important section mostly serves as data showing how US is important
bounce: patent violasion!
fluffypony: but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process
fluffypony: vs. a Coinbase customer paying on a Coinbase merchant site
fluffypony: where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account
mike_c: um, who cares?
ThickAsThieves: maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem
fluffypony: mike_c: I'm speaking to a specific point ThickAsThieves raised
bounce: UnicornCoin, only valid in combination with RainbowCoin
ThickAsThieves: yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces
ThickAsThieves: with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss
mike_c: yes, i think i'm following, but who cares if a user <-> coinbase <-> coinbase merchant transaction doesn't scream bitcoin?
ThickAsThieves: whether the convenience*
mike_c: "Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup."
princessnell: yr absolutely right about the cultural problems that the convenience creates
mike_c: uh.. 1.5 years is pretty dang new :)
princessnell: but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way
ThickAsThieves: princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid?
fluffypony: mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle
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ThickAsThieves: there's no "point" of bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: it's a thing
ThickAsThieves: it has no intention
ThickAsThieves: people can use it how they like
bounce: what, no "take the world by storm"?
mike_c: it's cash in your pocket vs. your bank account. cash in your pocket is a convience and subject to mugging.
princessnell: ThickAsThieves: moonsteads!
princessnell: (how do you tag someone by name on IRC?)
mike_c: you just did
bounce: no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account
fluffypony: mike_c: I can't agree with that analogy
princessnell: heh, easy. thanks.
princessnell: i think shaming coinbase et al is appropriate. but i think this is a structural problem with demand.
fluffypony: I don't have a better one, but that's not apt enough
mike_c: fluffypony: why? that is exactly how i use it. i purchase, move coins to storage, and use CB for random day-to-day purchase/bets.
mike_c: and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there.
ThickAsThieves: CB serves certain purposes
ThickAsThieves: and that's okay
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here
princessnell: right. but it does prime people in a problematic way.
mike_c: wha?? why would you pull an article that is generating debate?
ThickAsThieves: princessnell i dont think "priming" people should be a concern of coinbase necessarily
ThickAsThieves: nor am i sure it's even relevent
princessnell: ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business.
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, don't pull it just because TAT is being a coinbase shill
fluffypony: no no
princessnell: i think path dependencies are relevant
ThickAsThieves: yeah dont pull it
fluffypony: I want to make my arguments clearer
ThickAsThieves: i just think it was a shot from the hip
ThickAsThieves: with better aim you might hit something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance
Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit
mike_c: fluffypony: leave it as is, and tell TaT to comment on it if he doesn't like it
mike_c: then respond to the comment
mike_c: then you have a post and a lively comment section!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0325 = 0.4875 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: we're regulating how to properly take criticism now
mike_c: meta-criticism
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is too lazy to comment
ThickAsThieves: well why comment on an article that might change!
mike_c: if your blog posts don't make people mad you end up with no comments.
ThickAsThieves: really i spoke up, and here, because i care
ThickAsThieves: i was like no fluffy, no!
fluffypony: awwwww
fluffypony: such love <3
fluffypony: ok ok, I'll make my points clearer
fluffypony: *when* I get a chance
fluffypony: and then you can comment on that new article
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> i was like no fluffy, no! // i like dem fluffy
ThickAsThieves: next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever"
fluffypony: ha hhah
Naphex: whats wrong with DNS
Naphex: and vetting it through bitcoin sig
fluffypony: dat low-res header pic
ThickAsThieves: whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with
ThickAsThieves: "y keeping the chain code hidden behind the server, we get unlinkability. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
Naphex: what i proposed and had a working example
ThickAsThieves: "If the chain code ever leaks then all your payments become linkable."
Naphex: is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned
Naphex: everything in that article is then solved
ThickAsThieves: "First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already
fluffypony: Naphex: so push it as a BIP and get comments on it
Naphex: i am shit at writing docs, better at writing and talking through code
Naphex: :(
fluffypony: Naphex: BIPs don't need much in way of documentation
fluffypony: and once it's up other people will contribute to it
ThickAsThieves: Hearn is on a mission to solve solved problems
fluffypony: (the documentatio, I mean)
Naphex: meh i'll reset up my example with bip32
bounce: what's medium.com on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site.
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: lets record a bitcoin rap album
Naphex: and get some comments
Naphex: see where it goes
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin can't rap
thestringpuller: i bet MPOE-PR could rap
fluffypony: I'll rap - I mean, I did say on the AMC thread that I was "dropping the mic"
fluffypony: so restekp.
thestringpuller: Fine ThickAsThieves i'll get some producers myself and make my own bitcoin mix tape :P
ThickAsThieves: i've heard, with my own ears, "bitcoin" rapped in this studio in lyrics, it was embarassing
ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: instant shill status
fluffypony: ok so what we do is get some samples and rhyming couples recorded
thestringpuller: Got so much crypto wealth, its bad fo niggas health.
fluffypony: and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service
thestringpuller: i bet even Kanye could make that sound dope
ThickAsThieves: well mainstream rappers are shills mostly
fluffypony: "[16:40:06] buZz: i noticed orgcoin even has quadminingpools"
fluffypony: mergedmining lulz
ThickAsThieves: hi gais, i'm trying to quantum mine, which pool should i use/
fluffypony: one that supports 4 coins at the same time!
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: who is your favorite rapper?
ThickAsThieves: i probably dont have 1 specific 1
ThickAsThieves: i like Killer Mike
ThickAsThieves: Pharcyde
ThickAsThieves: Dres from Black Sheep
thestringpuller: damn you old
ThickAsThieves: older Kid Cudi
ThickAsThieves: i liek some new people
ThickAsThieves: Action Bronson
ThickAsThieves: I like some Schoolboy Q
ThickAsThieves: some Wale stuff is cool
thestringpuller: I think my favorite rapper of all time is Curren$y
thestringpuller: closely followed by Jay-Z
thestringpuller: then Big Daddy Kane
ThickAsThieves: yeah i like Jat Z's second half of his career
ThickAsThieves: but i like diff rappers for diff reasons
Naphex: ICE CUBE
ThickAsThieves: like Jay Z's lyrics can be pretty lame
thestringpuller: I honestly think Curren$y would hang out in #bitcoin-assets if he was in bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: but his delivery is on point
Naphex: ICE CUBE
pankkake: xzibit likes merged mining
ThickAsThieves: Kid Cudi sings all his raps, but much replayability
thestringpuller: That's only cause you like Friday Naphex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7548 @ 0.000126 = 0.951 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.0001255 = 0.1268 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: "Hold on lemme find my lighter...*lighter sound* The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg"
Naphex: :))
thestringpuller: Wale made a line just for me "Money got me pulling strings, I got that Geppetto dough"
ThickAsThieves ponders a "Buy TAT a joint" bitcoin tip button for Amsterdam liveblog.
fluffypony: good idea
thestringpuller: fluffypony
thestringpuller: sounds like a stuffed animal
ThickAsThieves: I see tim-tams is going interviewing in Ams too
thestringpuller: Tim Tams?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :)
ThickAsThieves: some guy that was in the logs earlier
ThickAsThieves: soliciting for "sponsorships"
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust fluffypony
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
fluffypony: not authed?
fluffypony kicks gribble
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
fluffypony: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
fluffypony: fixed
thestringpuller: damn i've been in #bitcoin-assets a long time
thestringpuller: how does time fly?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you?
pankkake: how old are you?
fluffypony: I miss my 20s
thestringpuller: i will too!
pankkake: I'm clinging to them
thestringpuller: they are flying before my eyes
thestringpuller: like what the actual fuck
thestringpuller: i don't want to turn into a cranky old man this soon like MP
thestringpuller: i want to spend some time being irresponsible ~_~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00088713 = 2.7501 BTC [+]
pankkake: there's no age to be a curmudgeon
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]
jborkl: MP : You kids get off my lawn!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0314999 = 0.4725 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.03287991 = 0.5918 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.033 = 0.396 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: "This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when.
mike_c: stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: Obama?
mike_c: US doesn't have a word for motherland though.
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davout: mike_c: wat
mike_c: wat wat
davout: that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur
ThickAsThieves: mike_c, yes putin this week
mike_c: w00t, i win
davout: i mean you're saying english doesn't have a word for X, where X is a word, that doesn't sound like you just made it up
mike_c: davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland
davout: I IS CONFUSED
davout: hm
ThickAsThieves: well, nation
ThickAsThieves: or, pursuit of happines
pankkake: I thought it was Murica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088608 = 2.1709 BTC [-]
fluffypony: MURKA world polices!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00088608 = 5.2279 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
jurov: isn't it homeland?
ThickAsThieves: or heartland
ThickAsThieves: is another
ozbot: Ross Sisters - A Crazy Dance Video From 1944 (Watch After 1:00) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71915056 BTC to 8`652 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: how did that gay kid fare in th nfl draft?
ThickAsThieves: i guess he isnt picked yet
ThickAsThieves: "am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick."
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ThickAsThieves: to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed?
mike_c: well, first off, the last 20% is always where the time is spent
ThickAsThieves: sure, but this was on schedule to be completed 2 yrs ago
mike_c: so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them?
ThickAsThieves: maybe, it's not me calling the shots
ThickAsThieves: but i can influence
ThickAsThieves: i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new
ThickAsThieves: and that turned into this monster
mike_c: two years late on a one year project is bad management.
pankkake: is the 20% the actual, vital stuff?
ThickAsThieves: permissions for users and such\
pankkake: sounds like it should have been the first thing to do
artifexd: Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent?
ThickAsThieves: i think they use foreigners so the tasks arent clearly communicated
ThickAsThieves: nothing new has been added to the plate
ThickAsThieves: it's just half-assing the requirements
ThickAsThieves: then pretending they didnt understand
pankkake: there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside
ThickAsThieves: i think another issue is the provider vastly underestimated the work
ThickAsThieves: but agreed to flat fee
ThickAsThieves: so it became low priority or something
artifexd: Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup
ThickAsThieves: but even cleanup is taking months
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artifexd: Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion?
Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team
Naphex: long-term, even after it's completed? <<
Naphex: <<< Bring in the heavy artillery
ThickAsThieves: like i had plans to grow this thing afterward
Naphex: bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent
ThickAsThieves: we do have the source so far
ThickAsThieves: current programming is done on our server
ThickAsThieves: it's online education/training
Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long?
ThickAsThieves: i think we are on the backburner
ThickAsThieves: it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it
ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat
Naphex: ah well, when i used to pick up dieing projects
Naphex: i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease
ThickAsThieves: this is actually the 3rd or 4th team we had on it, the previous one were all worse
ThickAsThieves: every team wants to start over
Naphex: are you using freelancers? or outsourcing companies?
Naphex: if every team wants to start over it might just be too shitty
ThickAsThieves: they purport to be a team, a business
pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons
ThickAsThieves: but i think they are just outsourcers now
ThickAsThieves: probably, but at some point someone has to fucking finish something
Naphex: the starting over thing, there is where the problems lie
pankkake: I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again
ThickAsThieves: thats why its hard to let go
Naphex: it might just be too shitty of a code+architecture to work productively in
ThickAsThieves: since we already started over several times
Naphex: i've had clients picked up who used very very shitty platforms, which ended up beeing very succesful
Naphex: then all the problems started, while working in their code base was just a waste of time
Naphex: and any new feature they wanted to add might take more then 1 month
Naphex: i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year
Naphex: the code, the platform was just too shitty to waste any good programmers time on it
bounce: sometimes you do need to start over. though not as often (and often not when) dev teams want to start over
Naphex: http://starshiners.ro/ -- 30k~ clients, 5-6k deliveries daily
pankkake: bounce: lol, yeah. we wanted to start over on our own code for a project, but it was still manageable, albeit painful
bounce: amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing
ThickAsThieves: years of work
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ThickAsThieves: in that sense a rewrite is probably inevitable huh
thestringpuller: isn't that what Khan Academy does?
ThickAsThieves: the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training
ozbot: Moodle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
ThickAsThieves: we actually use Moodle for one portion of students
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benkay: it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves
pankkake: perhaps building around Moodle, with people who actually know Moodle, would get better results
benkay: unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though
pankkake: benkay: depends on how dirty you want it to be :D
benkay: then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds
benkay: pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method.
pankkake: GPLv3 should be ok, it's not AGPL
ThickAsThieves: well it was more organic than that of course
ThickAsThieves: they had a custom thing some freelancer made
ThickAsThieves: and Moodle
ThickAsThieves: so they had two systems
bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up".
ThickAsThieves: which made dev of either one awkward
ThickAsThieves: and they wanted one system
bounce: that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp.
ThickAsThieves: later came the ideas of SaaS
ThickAsThieves: there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software
ThickAsThieves: orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need
ThickAsThieves: in the SaaS version you
ThickAsThieves: 'd be able to customize such
benkay: sounds like you'd want to preserve your ability to deliver features fast and on budget at all costs.
ThickAsThieves: well we have yet to encounter a team that can assist, finding one is not easy when you have no reliable connections into better breeds of programminig teams
benkay: man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in.
ThickAsThieves: nor quite the ability to confidently discern between them
benkay: yeah that's the really rough part of the problem
benkay: not being able to qualify tech teams
benkay: that's brutal, man.
benkay: Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr
thestringpuller: "If you want nice things you have to pay for them"
benkay: i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro
ThickAsThieves: the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway
benkay: ebay staff didn't think it was even POSSIBLE. but we did it.
benkay: cost...too much. probably more than writing a cms/ecom platform ourselves woulda.
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benkay: but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack.
ThickAsThieves: note that this point is off on a tangent
benkay: yeah sorry
ThickAsThieves: there's no new expense for this current iteration
ThickAsThieves: other than time passing
ThickAsThieves: they make progress, it's just painfully slow
ThickAsThieves: but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want
ThickAsThieves: so they wanna pay someone to handle that
ThickAsThieves: because no idea when custom system will be ready
benkay: fixing upstream bugs?
bounce: teach'em to swim
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benkay: !up blackwhite
assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
benkay: blackwhite! welcome back
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blackwhite: thanks
benkay: how've you been?
benkay: !up Sahtor
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mircea_popescu: !up non2_
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mircea_popescu: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after.
benkay: hola JorgePasada
mircea_popescu: Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit << exactly. in point of fact nobody actually wants an apple anything.
mircea_popescu: they just temporarily thought they did.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
ozbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
asciilifeform: (written during a living steve j)
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mircea_popescu: and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss
mircea_popescu: in changing a functional workstation for a severely crippled, difficult to use one.
mircea_popescu: the placebo benefit is fading.
mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack
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mircea_popescu: bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother.
ThickAsThieves: 71 voters participated, 31 abstained
asciilifeform: apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation'
asciilifeform: (in the sense of the hardware and os baked under same roof)
mircea_popescu: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there"
mike_c: oh yes, no argument there.
benkay: y'all apple haters miss the part where they make the best laptop chassis in the world.
mike_c: benkay: have you ever picked up an apple server? it weighs 200 lbs for no good reason.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so it's in that context << you have to include your context in your blogposts. that's why mine end up ungodly long soimetimes, you want a reader falling on it ten years later to still get a whole meal.
benkay: mike_c: who buys apple servers?!
mircea_popescu: benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world.
mircea_popescu: ya know ?
mike_c: mm, desktops might have been a better word choice. and designers do.
asciilifeform: benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my laptop has a car.
benkay: y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices.
benkay: give me a year.
asciilifeform: then you have 3 offices. back to laptops.
ThickAsThieves: i do all my programming on tablet
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you program nao ?
benkay: he trollin
ThickAsThieves: other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes
mircea_popescu: that's scripting
asciilifeform: 'condemned to program for life, at Her Majesty's pleasure'
ThickAsThieves: but yeah i was trolling
ThickAsThieves: even scripting is too gracious a term for it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ?
ThickAsThieves: it's like editing variables
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mircea_popescu: thickasscriptkiddies
ThickAsThieves: you spelled crypt wrongly
mircea_popescu: thick-ass-crypt-kitties.tumblr.com
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Read it, the more opinions the better
fluffypony: Out for supper, will catch up in a bit
ThickAsThieves: deviladvocate.biz new-user count is up 50% in 5 days. Almost ready to IPVO!
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mike_c: mircea_popescu: did you miss paying out a small dividend on s.bbet last month?
mircea_popescu: mike_c no ?
jurov: no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers"
mike_c: hm. btcalpha accountants think that no div was paid last month, and 0.250730601 BTC should've been paid to shares on mpex.
mike_c: of course, that's 9 digits after the decimal, so they can't really be trusted.
ozbot: BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: mike_c mpex dividends are really paid to 18 digits of accuracy
mike_c: ;;calc (1.19395524 - 0.35818657) * 0.3
gribble: 0.250730601
jurov: just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment
mircea_popescu: mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC."
mircea_popescu: what 1.19 ?
mike_c: 30% goes to mistake, 70% should go to divs, yes?
mircea_popescu: the 30% that normally goes to mpex shareholders goes towards the credit
jurov: and the rest goes where?
mike_c: ah, i get it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point.
mike_c: jurov: 18 digits. you know way too much about mpex.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: whats wrong with DNS << that you didn't document your thing.
jurov: mike_c: i don't know nearly as much as i wish
jurov: but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin << i could pull it off.
mircea_popescu: !up martin_____
assbot: Voicing martin_____ for 30 minutes.
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jurov: for MPOE: round_to_satoshi(99.77743063/500000000*<number of your shares>)
jurov: where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself
jurov: and _no_ other rounding is done, so the dividend is not a whole number of satoshi
jurov: despite being published as such
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc.
mircea_popescu: homeland is reviled from what i can see
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah i'll get some time to document it and make some examples.
pankkake: well, homeland security
Naphex: mircea_popescu: but guess what, emag is delivering my shizz woop:D
asciilifeform: u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic'
asciilifeform: a kind of 'aspirational' tag
pankkake: the French might use Patrie, which is like the motherland but with a penis
asciilifeform: vaterland.
jurov: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to
ozbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha
mircea_popescu: Naphex maybe they idle here.
asciilifeform: ~= отечество
asciilifeform: rus. has both words
Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :))
Naphex: payments even:P
asciilifeform: ('родина' ~= motherland)
mircea_popescu: what happens when the fatherland and the motherland get in bed ?
jurov: the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: (note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, '
asciilifeform: 'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war
mike_c: why not a 7 at the end?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics.
mike_c: given profit was 199.55486127
jurov: mircea_popescu: really, you tolerate almost 5% reporting error?
mircea_popescu: jurov hm ?
jurov: you publish dividend as 19 satoshi
mircea_popescu: May 09 14:23:57 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share
jurov: but it was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: it truncates.
jurov: you report truncated value that is 5% off from reality
mircea_popescu: a truncated value is truncated.
mircea_popescu: if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0
mircea_popescu: calculating the % off from reality left as an exercise to the commenter.
jurov: i know that's lost cause, hopefully at least mike_c starts reporting things right.
pankkake: "Now that a highly controversial figure has been elected" who?
mircea_popescu opts not to click on reddit
pankkake: eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves seriously, my call is that you've been identified as pork, and you are being farmed.
asciilifeform: ;;google a pig like that you don't eat all at once
gribble: FARK.com: (8147761) A pig like that, you don't eat all at once: <http://www.fark.com/comments/8147761/A-pig-like-that-you-dont-eat-all-at-once>; The Famous Pig - Animal Jokes - Jokes Place!: <http://www.jokesplace.com/joke/famouspig.html>; The Best Joke I Can Tell In Sports Illustrated - 04.11.05 - SI Vault: (1 more message)
mike_c: jurov: my only hesitation is that i would have to maintain "how many shares are held on mpex" for each symbol so i could do my own calculations. for example, what's that number for f.mpif?
jurov: mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it
mircea_popescu: mike_c you can just pick up assbot's announcements i guess
mike_c: assbot announces divs?
jurov: yes, grep for [PAID]
mircea_popescu: i just quioted it above dood
ozbot: Young children could face bullying charges in city - Yahoo News
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can someone purport to raise children in the us.
mircea_popescu: if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand
asciilifeform: probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game
mircea_popescu: it's so hypocritical it bleeds.
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fluffypony: bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: tks
fluffypony: hah hah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who knows by now.
mircea_popescu: i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing
mircea_popescu: s/stop/start/
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wait what, lol! in Ro ?
mircea_popescu: considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school.
mircea_popescu: yes in ro.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D
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mircea_popescu: mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz.
asciilifeform: more interestingly, sometimes (at least in 'college towns') there is chaos if... the 'right' team wins. celebratory riot.
mircea_popescu: that's with fucking tho neh ?
mike_c: i know right? like tearing down goal posts
mircea_popescu: princessnell maybe go in #freenode and ask for a cloak ?
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Naphex: real men use real hosts:D
Naphex: hehe
asciilifeform: mike_c: over here, they sometimes celebrate by wrecking shop windows, lighting fires in the road, etc. but a public and ostentatious mass police beating put a bit of a pause in this 'colourful tradition' - at least, for now.
pankkake: Naphex: exactly
mike_c: asciilifeform: NYPD doesn't put up with that crap either
fluffypony: benkay:Magento's a really good example of this. <- this is so freakin' true. Even worse are when they pay for a ton of dev work on Magento Community Edition and then move to Magento Enterprise, and basically have to re-engineer and re-do all the work
mircea_popescu: omfg he deleted my comment
mircea_popescu: CENSORSHEEP
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I haven't
fluffypony: it's "pending approval"
mircea_popescu: a my cookie died ?
fluffypony: I'm just too lazy to login to my moderation thing
fluffypony: normally it sends an email and I can reply to the mail to approve
fluffypony: but no mail yet, so I'll login and approve it later
pankkake: I was able to see it with the link
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mircea_popescu: o look, she got a cloak too
Apocalyptic: dem girls know to IRC nao
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I linked to that hours ago, yo
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
punkman: so that guy was selling mining contracts without having anything: "Your bought contract NOT started, because our mining rig seller from China not delivered our bought mining rig and we lost our paid 4500 USD."
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fluffypony: punkman: "lost"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i know, that's where i got it from
fluffypony: ah ok
mircea_popescu: i wanted to make a ocmment, but then i couldn't understand what comment i want to make.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so some random nobody throttled... the access "of fcc" to his random site nobody but you reads ?
mircea_popescu: that consists mostly of... text ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not on the right drugs am i.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: " Designed as a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities, Neocities lets you make your own site for free. And it just might spark a renaissance of creativity online. "
mircea_popescu: o wait, he takes doge.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: their effort isn't the big deal - they published the nginx rules, and there's been a bit of uptake from other sites implementing them
fluffypony: nothing important
mircea_popescu: so basically, every failed marketing fucktard in the world has by now flocked to doge coins, as a great example of the "unlimted possibility" and "all that cvould be achieved" for marketing fucktards, in their own opinion.
mircea_popescu: thats what it is innit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: but who knows, maybe it'll become "a thing", to quote ThickAsThieves :-P
mircea_popescu: but what'd be the thing ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, fcc employees aren't supposed to derp on random etsy boutique blogs on their fcc connections anwyay
mircea_popescu: now if porntube did this...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I know, it's kinda like the occupy wall street of the Internet :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.041 = 5.125 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, do you plan on keeping the price of trilema credits the same forever, or is buying trilema credits an act of shorting BTC?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wait, aren't those two clauses unrelated ?
asciilifeform: speaking of derpatronics: there i was, trying to pick up some chair on the cheap, and saw:
ozbot: Robotics Venture
fluffypony: s/or/and ?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, if the price in BTC is going to change as the price of BTC changes, then wouldn't buying credits be like buying into FIAT (shorting BTC)?
danielpbarron: oops, price of trilema credits
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ah ah.
mircea_popescu: well imo they're much too cheap atm, so ima not change them a while.
danielpbarron: if the price of trilema credits in BTC..
asciilifeform: trilema credit is probably the life support hose keeping tor alive...
danielpbarron: right, they are cheap at the moment if you think of it in terms of the current FIAT price of BTC, but they are expensive if you are really long on BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 450 * 0.01 / 10000
gribble: 0.00045
pankkake: what, you people don't have ~10 IPv4s on hand?
mircea_popescu: that can't be right.
fluffypony: danielpbarron: so take $5, buy Bitcoin in -OTC, buy credits
mircea_popescu: that is right. holy shit.
mircea_popescu: well, let's say i won't change the price until btc reaches 1mn each
danielpbarron: fluffypony, that's not the point; I guess what I mean is: is buying trilema credits like an investment denominated in BTC?
fluffypony: when btc reaches 1 mil I'm selling stock in my remaining trilema credits
danielpbarron: good info to know; thank you
mircea_popescu: people ocasionalyl just want to make a donation, and so i think there are some people with 5 or 10 btc's worht
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I think the cost is too low to have a measurable impact on one's personal wealth
mike_c: it's like selling private keys though, doesn't work. you can't enforce that you won't use the cookie after selling.
danielpbarron: fluffypony, someone could buy way more credits than they need with the plan of selling them in the future
mike_c: except you can't sell them :)
fluffypony: I mean, when BTC is at 1mil a pack of Trilema creds will be worth $10k. if you're long on BTC you'll have a net worth an order of magnitude higher than that, so it'll be irrelevant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00088713 = 11.2222 BTC [+]
pankkake: you could action the credits
fluffypony: mike_c: you could run a proxy using your cookie
pankkake: auction*
mike_c: ok, proxy would work. if the buyer accepts your counterparty risk.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03449992 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: !up wolverineks
assbot: Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how does one get gpg certified on your blog?
fluffypony: well when BTC is at 1mil
fluffypony: it'll cost $450 per view
thestringpuller: like hanbot
danielpbarron: that's what I was thinking
pankkake: oh that's what the icon means?
asciilifeform: gpg certified?
danielpbarron: and it would be worth it too
fluffypony: so I'd imagine selling proxied access will be worthwhile
asciilifeform: i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: if I was selling content, I wouldn't want to be the one thinking of the price
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' // wait, hanbot is a cryptographer N
pankkake: it's actually why I like to sell on auctions: I'm not setting the price
danielpbarron: if Bitcoin is worth 1000000 USD, a trilema page view probably really is worth 450 USD per view
mircea_popescu: an order of magnitude << really.
mircea_popescu: apparently they have large penises AND large orders of magnitude in south africa
bounce: can't order magnitudes here.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what do you mean gpog certified ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: wait, hanbot is a cryptographer << i've no idea. possibly.
thestringpuller: i guess I'm misunderstanding the little key symbol on your blog
mircea_popescu: oh that.
ozbot: Criptograme pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i had a guess the word contest whatever you call it in english
mircea_popescu: if you figure out enough of them you get a key
thestringpuller: Oh. that's neat!
thestringpuller: thanks answering mircea_popescu
ozbot: Criptograma starii lucrurilor celor moi de mijloc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20841 @ 0.00088745 = 18.4953 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.'
mircea_popescu: for instance that is "curva nasoala", which means nasty whore
ozbot: Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: cur (ass) + v nas (nose) oala (pot)
ozbot: Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Apocalyptic: meant to quote bounce
thestringpuller: lol sorry for derailing the conversation ~_~
bounce: huh, different thing that I know by that name
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'назойливая курва' !
asciilifeform has been dipping into the slavic influence in Ro. lang.
ozbot: Criptograma locosexuala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: this one is sex in baie (fucking in the bathroom). sec (dry) sin (tit) baie (mine)
bounce: probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but shorter :D
ozbot: Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: bounce i guess it'd be "criptograph" or something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : as far as romanian linguists are concerned, nasol comes as gypsy influence
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/
mircea_popescu: i must have.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'nocere' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13107 @ 0.0008865 = 11.6194 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ?
pankkake: [D!up peterL
pankkake: !up peterL
assbot: Voicing peterL for 30 minutes.
pankkake: one day, I'll up on the first time
peterL: thanks pankkake :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: NASÓL, -OÁLĂ, nasoli, -oale, adj., s. m. și f. (Arg.) 1. Adj., s. m. și f. (Om) urât sau ridicol. 2. Adj. (Despre obiecte) De proastă calitate; urât, uzat; caraghios. – Din țig. nasvalo „bolnav'”, nasul „rău, meschin”.
mircea_popescu: tig being "gyp"
peterL: has anybody had experience with escrow.ms on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable?
mircea_popescu: not heard of them.
mircea_popescu: i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0725 = 1.015 BTC [-] {3}
hanbot: asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.' << s'not as cool as all that, but who can resist the allure of shiny golden insignia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
bounce: aw. no morse?
asciilifeform: alternatively,
mircea_popescu: 1st version is better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: agreed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]
pankkake: nice racks
mircea_popescu: Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality – yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota’s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny?
mircea_popescu: this is a fine point indeed.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 and nao this expolains a lot
ozbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
mircea_popescu: I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the “Creak Test” – hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage.
asciilifeform: (this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.)
TheNewDeal: if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise?
asciilifeform: pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell.
pankkake: if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend
asciilifeform: if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho
pankkake: so there's various degrees of holding it wrong
TheNewDeal: making a noise isn't necessarily indicative of mechanical integrity
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything
TheNewDeal: fine fine
asciilifeform: the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date.
mircea_popescu: it's a good article.
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what many people think.
asciilifeform: yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects
mircea_popescu: "@SunSentinel · 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ?
asciilifeform: (note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way.
hanbot: the grass must be made greener
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product.
asciilifeform: russian army style.
asciilifeform: by painting it.
benkay: 80k is a luxury product now?
mircea_popescu: if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either
asciilifeform: photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product.
mircea_popescu: benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product.
mircea_popescu: the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k.
mircea_popescu: this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time
mircea_popescu: if they could make it so building a house cost 100k,
mircea_popescu: then the economy would be stable.
asciilifeform: less, if you permit exotica like machine-sculpted concrete
mircea_popescu: so, they're trying.
bounce: 5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what?
mircea_popescu: so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc"
mircea_popescu: that's the product.
mircea_popescu: like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product.
mircea_popescu: bounce all materials, house for a fambly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 598 @ 0.00088636 = 0.53 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12191 @ 0.00088412 = 10.7783 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: so where does the cost come from, labour?
mircea_popescu: bounce red tape, mostly.
mircea_popescu: labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.0008827 = 15.6238 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc.
asciilifeform: rather than let price fall
mircea_popescu: not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell.
mircea_popescu: just, some here and there going the way of the rot
asciilifeform: there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit)
asciilifeform: nobody is getting a house, in decent physical condition, near a major employment hub, for 10k. yet.
asciilifeform: for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ i got a $50 parking ticket today
nubbins`: for parking too close to the stop sign.
nubbins`: "but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location"
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ?
asciilifeform: i bet alaska is cheaper still.
mircea_popescu: very expensive. have to ferry all the shit
asciilifeform: ok, arizona.
nubbins`: cost of goods in alaska, too
nubbins`: have fun buying $50 watermelons
asciilifeform: i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house.
nubbins`: not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods
asciilifeform: but for some reason alaska climate puts them off.
nubbins`: $1000 house? nice try
nubbins`: $250k would get you a shack
asciilifeform: as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc.
asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
asciilifeform: by auto-segregating
benkay: this poor kid
benkay: "i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: where?
nubbins`: nunavut, canada
benkay: welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy
nubbins`: home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage
benkay: at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins`
nubbins`: rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well
nubbins`: on average
nubbins`: so much for cheap houses :D
nubbins`: benkay: internships are for suckers :D
asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
asciilifeform: to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live.
asciilifeform: (keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)
mircea_popescu: benkay "credits" = ?
nubbins`: uni courses are generally assigned a number of credits
nubbins`: when i went, three credits per course was the norm
nubbins`: some courses with less hours (say, labs) would be 2 credits
nubbins`: and you need X credits to get Y degree
Namworld: Hey, Compliments brand
asciilifeform: nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit.
nubbins`: TANJ
nubbins`: Namworld, you have Sobeys? :D
asciilifeform: given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain.
nubbins`: my entire bachelor's degree was a comical undershoot
Namworld: No, we have Metro
nubbins`: interesting, never heard of it
nubbins`: Compliments brand is owned by Sobeys
mircea_popescu: i went to school in a time before credits.
Namworld: Wait, wrong one... Compliments is from IGA
mircea_popescu: you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses.
nubbins`: a whole dozen courses!
nubbins`: i had to pass that many in my first year ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18126 @ 0.0008845 = 16.0324 BTC [+]
benkay: i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree.
ozbot: Kenny Green sentence recommendation shocks victim's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
princessnell: egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities
nubbins`: ^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house
nubbins`: good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years
asciilifeform: benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws
nubbins`: asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper!
benkay: didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: long ago. before the 'edukation' racket.
nubbins`: FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits"
Namworld: Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now.
nubbins`: genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm
nubbins`: Namworld: nod, all a big mess. reminiscent of loblaws/superstore/dominion all selling President's Choice
bounce: there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas.
Namworld: Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year
mircea_popescu: benkay you still can.
Namworld: Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates?
asciilifeform: getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D
nubbins`: not very well, at least
bounce: the "name brand" stuff, yes. like, unilever, kraft, nestle?
Namworld: yeah
bounce: the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains
Namworld: Of course now with home brands, there's less of this "name brand", but still.
nubbins`: ah, the wonders of outsourcing
nubbins`: vertically integrated supply chains don't really allow for this
nubbins`: not to the same degree, anyway
benkay: !up locksley
assbot: Voicing locksley for 30 minutes.
ozbot: How do you take apart a 150-tonne whale? - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
benkay: DYNAMITE
nubbins`: bunch of whales got trapped in the ice here recently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
nubbins`: washed up on the shores of some small communities
bounce: don't need a how-to for that. blow it up before it blows itself up.
nubbins`: the royal ontario museum graciously took possession of the carcasses
bounce: sold the meat to japan, or what?
nubbins`: nah, analyzing all of the tissue and bringing the skeleton to a museum
nubbins`: turns out blue whale carcasses are incredibly hard to come by
nubbins`: i spent some time in trout river two years ago, strange Deliverance-esque place
nubbins`: very tiny, very rural community, surrounded by -- but not part of -- a national park and UNESCO world heritage site
Namworld: There's a shortage of huge, hanging whale skeletons?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10212 @ 0.0008845 = 9.0325 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: princessnell no, a restaurant that accepts btc is not a bitcoin entrepreneur
mircea_popescu: but, they're for some reason really desperate to push this everyman btc angle, so...
Namworld: I can see why they would be in demand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
benkay: bitcoinpete: what are the target capitals?
bitcoinpete: hashfast lulz via princessnell
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what about a restaurant that only accepts BTC?
mircea_popescu: i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: benkay: let's decide right now
bitcoinpete: i imagine they'd be in europe and asia
benkay: buenos aires
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete which one is this one ?
nubbins`: Namworld nod, graceful giants
ozbot: The Rothschilds of Bitcoin | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: figuring out where to put the capitals of finance for the 21st and 22nd centuries
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete no i mean the bitcoin miner
mircea_popescu: o hash fast yea
bitcoinpete: "san fransisco-based"
princessnell: mircea_popescu i know. i have to be demure.
bitcoinpete: ceo is "Eduardo deCastro is a serial entrepreneur with a long track record of success"
mircea_popescu: what's being demure like ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete "A long track record of success, omitted here for reasons that were in turn omitted"
nubbins`: i've imagined it to be like having a secret, but i suspect that's more due to my not being demure by nature than to an actual understanding of the condition
benkay: hey -assets nginx or apache?
nubbins`: benkay IIS
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: it's so uncouth to name names
bitcoinpete: hashfast vp of engineering: Amy most recently came from Engine Yard, where in less than two years she went from Senior Developer to Director of Engineering. She oversaw the development of the flagship product, EY Cloud, growing revenue by over 60% in one year.
princessnell: it's about putting an idea in someone's head without outright saying it
joecool: "serial entrepreneur"
mircea_popescu: princessnell my only familiarity with the term is in the context "he proposed but she demured", ie, how to end up a spinster.
benkay: demur != demure
princessnell: ah. i see.
benkay: demur 0> demurred
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00088242 = 12.6627 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: what's this definition in context stuff? i could've sworn we had dictionaries for a reason ;)
benkay: demure is something else entirely.
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: senior dev to director of engineering in 2 years? seems legit.
benkay: fluffypony: engineyard. seems legit.
benkay: derpy rails hosting operation dot butts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete yeah, and the dictionaries end up looking like lists of contexts
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you dispute the track record of success ?
nubbins`: ;;dict demur
gribble: wn: demur n 1: (law) a formal objection to an opponent's pleadings [syn: {demur}, {demurral}, {demurrer}] v 1: take exception to; "he demurred at my suggestion to work on Saturday" [syn: {demur}, {except}] 2: enter a demurrer
nubbins`: ;;dict demure
gribble: wn: demure adj 1: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way [syn: {coy}, {demure}, {overmodest}]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dispute that "Director of Engineering" means what they think it means
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're not really distinct. same root, abranch was broken off to rub clits with is all.
nubbins`: broken branch nub rub
mircea_popescu: fluffypony would you prefer engineer of directoring ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5012 @ 0.0008845 = 4.4331 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they should call a spade a spade and just say "was still a senior developer, but we lost a bunch of managers and needed a lead developer that needed a sense of self-importance"
mircea_popescu: edm life added you to list edmnewsdaily/awesome-people-108
mircea_popescu: this dude has 108 lists of awesome people ?
mircea_popescu: i wanna be him now.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony your spade is very lengthy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's what she said
ozbot: SEC.gov | Remarks to the Council of Institutional Investors
asciilifeform: ever notice how the tech hucksters use names like 'rails,' 'engine yard,' etc. - meant to evoke pictures of an era when industry was still in good health
bitcoinpete: "The federal securities laws are built upon the premise that an informed investor is the key to robust and efficient nature of our markets." << the root problems
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah, I'm waiting for one of the CEOs to start calling himself "the Conductor"
asciilifeform: Conducător.
asciilifeform: Il Conduttore.
fluffypony: Serial Entrepreductor
bitcoinpete: "Questions about whether a market is trustworthy go to the heart of a market’s survival. Is the market fair? Is it efficient? How does it facilitate capital formation? Are investors protected? Do you trust it?"
mircea_popescu: ;;google Conducător
gribble: Conducător - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conduc%C4%83tor>; conducător - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conduc%C4%83tor>; Şcoala Tînărului Conducător Ediţia XII-a - Seara Culturală, CLT ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRu8HyvFTwk>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 69 @ 0.07508565 = 5.1809 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 245 @ 0.041 = 10.045 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is what various romanian derps called themselves
davout: bitcointalk is so fucking priceless sometimes
asciilifeform: i didn't pull it directly out of me arse
davout: "Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it"
mircea_popescu: funny how terminally braindamaged entities which by the very definition of the term can not possibly have a personal relation to anything
asciilifeform: 'i like rotting meat just fine except for the number of weevils'
jborkl: Hashfast update blog We are not scammers- we are just really fucking stupid
mircea_popescu: liberally sprinkle "personally" in coversation
bitcoinpete: jborkl: now there's a difference
mircea_popescu: this should become part of hs curricula
mircea_popescu: "write a 500 word essay as to why you're not a scammer"
jborkl: amazing team
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jborkl: heh still rings true
jborkl: kako you need to add amazing team now
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]
davout: i should make a bot that echoes assbot, the chan would explode the instant someone says amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: any bets as to what she does next?
mircea_popescu: sues me for e-bullying ? aneurism ?
bitcoinpete: so who can hook me up with a coinbr referral code?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
jborkl: mircea-popescu : Did I really see the Bitcoin awards list or was someone goofing?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: that'd be awesome if jurov would
bitcoinpete: unless someone else wants to scoop it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07260599 = 0.363 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thestringpuller: I know Gina Luttrell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: more amazing than assbot
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: jborkl i have no idea
benkay: mircea_popescu: i don't know how you have the fucks to give about people who communicate in gifs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: languages and the arts: see if you can digest this russian tidbit: 'Штирлиц встал с позаранку и отодрал занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску - румынские разведчицы.'
mircea_popescu: jborkl how would you distinguish between those two cases ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07696999 = 0.3079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: either way it's someone goofing.
jborkl: well, touche
mircea_popescu: benkay nono, really angry mediocre middle aged woman. she KNOWS.
mircea_popescu: feminism is like fucking math, forget social sciences. you can be wrong in feminism nao.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the turmoil of the unworthy amuses me. i'm not the sort that calls the cops if you break in.
mircea_popescu: i'm the sort that shoots you in both shoulders and both knees, then pulls a chair close and watches you bleed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07696999 = 0.6927 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: so why is Gina whining?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, someone was wrong.
thestringpuller: some feminist mumbo jumbo I presume
mircea_popescu: on like the internet or something. i didn't go into that much detail.
thestringpuller: obviously not her
mircea_popescu: i just realised that her name is gina and she goes by VGsomething
thestringpuller: never argue with a girl from Agnes Scott
thestringpuller: she's proud of her vagina?
mircea_popescu: what's agnes scott ?
thestringpuller: ;;google Agnes Scott
gribble: Agnes Scott College: <http://www.agnesscott.edu/>; Agnes Scott: <http://athletics.agnesscott.edu/>; Agnes Scott College - Admission: <http://www.agnesscott.edu/admission/>
thestringpuller: an all girls college
asciilifeform: 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near.
thestringpuller: here in Atlanta
mircea_popescu: like a vassar for poor midwestern would be carrie bradshaws ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stirlitz rose from sofa and tore at the curtain, wherein a romanian spy was hiding ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea pretty much that. also most guys are told not to date anyone from there because they may run off with your penis in the middle of the night
Apocalyptic: i lol'd
mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually.
mircea_popescu: "Hysteresis defeatism interprets a weak recovery due to inadequate stimulus as a reason not to try more stimulus"
mircea_popescu: ahaha i would say i have my twitter tuned to perfection.
mircea_popescu: "hysteresis" you see. it's like, all scientific and crap.
mircea_popescu: like global warming
mircea_popescu: no wait. i mean like catastrophic racist white man made computer driven opression.
mircea_popescu: or w/e it's called now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 1) get academtard job 2) connect 'shannonizer' 3) profit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually. << oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is
asciilifeform: obligatory (oldie):
ozbot: arXiv vs. snarXiv
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well if you listen to everything you're told...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stierlitz rose bright-and-early ('с позаранку') and tore back the curtain ('отодрал занавеску'). little did he know that Позаранку and Занавеску were Romanian spygirls. ('отодрал' can also mean 'fucked raw'; the first segment is a gag on the rus. accusative declension '-у.)
Apocalyptic: oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is // they prolly wanted to keep them for themselves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'встал с позаранку' in this case - 'lifted himself off Pozaranku'
asciilifeform: 'traduttore tradittore.'
asciilifeform: why did i even try.
jborkl: 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near. <1. That is a really big vagina 2. Does that mean they live in vagina village or that they are lesbo? I dont get it
asciilifeform: jborkl: i didn't ask.
jborkl: heh
asciilifeform: all i could think of was the infamous 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (u.s. papers, circa vietnam war)
jborkl: that pussy got pounded
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03320007 = 0.4648 BTC [+] {2}
jborkl: I crack myself up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 155 @ 0.03300204 = 5.1153 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: one quarterpounder of pussy
mircea_popescu: no cheez.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0065379 = 0.353 BTC [+]
jborkl: haha gross
jborkl: I can't believe you said that I am so offended
mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of the various derps i ask for a quote from, receive a horribly mangled piece of nonsense that I never reply to realise that they fucked up.
asciilifeform: this animal is better known for the other end of its digestive tract...
mircea_popescu: hehe yea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03172482 = 0.3172 BTC [+]
mike_c: i'm all for free speech and what not, but you guys are being really generous not cutting this crap: http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/#c2887
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: There is no greater endorsement that would be competitors being forced to advertise on your platform.
mike_c: yes, but generally you make them pay for the privelege
mircea_popescu: eh fuck em, you tell me someone's going to bother select that gnarl and paste it in browswe window ?
mircea_popescu: let the kids have their free speech, they'll use it for a good purpose whether they want to or not.
pankkake: bitcoinpete: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=V1CUawCMeE if not too late
bitcoinpete: sorry pankkake and artifexd, looks like peterL scooped it
mircea_popescu: he dun scooped ?
bitcoinpete: it's a peter thing
artifexd: The penalty for reading the logs in batches instead of realtime...
pankkake: what are the numbers in the fairly thing? I don't get it
mircea_popescu: lol quora joins yc
mircea_popescu: wasn't the new paul graham derping about how they "frown" on corps that went through other "accelerators" because they should have been already accelerated ?
benkay: that's not an acceleration nearly as much as it is a prolonging of imminent demise
mircea_popescu: i hjave no idea wtf they must have been thinking.
mircea_popescu: isn;t that thing proposing that it's worth ~1bn, ie more than mpex these days ?
pankkake: isn't quora just a forum where ycombinators derp at each other?
mike_c: quora just closed an $80m funding round..
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: mike_c wasn't it 150mn ?
pankkake: why. WHY
mircea_popescu: someone pulled out ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i dunno why dood. ask mike_c, he understands the whys of marketcaps.
mike_c: maybe you saw the total. they've raised 140 total
mircea_popescu: mike_c a right you are.
mike_c: YC companies are supposed to hand over 6% of their company to join
mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck a fixed % can work
asciilifeform: for investment of... $15k ?
asciilifeform: last i checked
bitcoinpete: mike_c: ayup, i know a guy who's going to san fran for 3 months this summer to go through the yc meat processor. it's 6%
asciilifeform: (and, of course, a drink of 'holy water')
mike_c: well, obviously no fucking way quora is doing that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11057 @ 0.00088522 = 9.7879 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12518 @ 0.00088423 = 11.0688 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: they bumped to 140k i b'leev.
benkay: dat qe.
asciilifeform: 140k barely buys a garbage truck.
benkay: yc companies barely out-revenue a single-truck garbage hauling operation.
fluffypony: turn off active and exited so you're only looking at Dead
fluffypony: "Whitenoise is like a social network for the music industry."
benkay: FitFU
benkay: yeah that's great.
fluffypony: I say we pick one of these every week, setup a bullshit site, and list it on BitcoinBourse or CryptoStocks
fluffypony: see how long before someone notices
benkay: hue hue hue
mircea_popescu: and spend the proceeds on lobbying for having vessenes appointed submarine captain in the vietnamese fleet ?
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: (which, btw, is and has been for a while engaged in a standoff with th echinese fleet over some shoals
mircea_popescu: apparently those people exist to stick in superpowers' beaks)
bounce: so garbage hauling is a sound investment, you say? fan of the fun lovin' criminals perchance?
fluffypony: OR we spend the money lobbying to have Kim Jong-un voted on to the Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: or both. why not have both ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0008877 = 27.2524 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: both it is!
bounce: bit late, two guys got voted in today. getting someone booted would help. who'd you want booted?
mircea_popescu: i bashed this entire thing btw. it's too lulzy
fluffypony: davout: "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells" <- we forgot to ask him how we're shells
fluffypony: seashells?
jborkl: No Mpex has the double cheery truck seal
pankkake: fluffypony: cd troll ; ls
jborkl: so no scam, what award do they have?
davout: fluffypony: if the guy was able to write properly he probably wouldn't be that retarded :D
fluffypony: pankkake: core dumped
pankkake: stock pumped
fluffypony: whoot whoot, buy neo&bee!
fluffypony: actually I have found a place worse than the forums
fluffypony: the chat box / troll box on btc-e or cryptsy is WAY worse than the forums
mircea_popescu: you're such a noob.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: twas accidental
fluffypony: support button is on the left, chat is on the right, I clicked the wrong one
fluffypony: then it was like watching a car accident
fluffypony: I couldn't turn away for like 5 minutes
jborkl: Havelock to Sponsor Int. Kickboxing Event
jborkl: jean claude van damme to headline
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0063799 = 0.6444 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no but i mean "o hey guise, i discovered trollbox on btce"
mircea_popescu: kinda public knowledge :D
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: o yes, was just generally commenting on it being the bottom of the barrel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00088401 = 2.3462 BTC [-]
ozbot: Tokyo Sexwale accused of trying to blackmail wife over hardcore porn - Times LIVE
fluffypony: title is all you need
benkay: what a name
benkay: "A group of 13-year-old girls from Nelson Mandela Bay's elite Collegiate High School have landed in hot water after being caught sipping vodka and watching a pornographic video - allegedly of one of them having sex with her boyfriend - on a cellphone.
benkay: i'll just squeeze this beer.
mircea_popescu: so what is the problem ?
fluffypony: I don't think there's an implied problem in that graph, it's more a statement of fact :-P
davout: fluffypony: lol, already old in france-land tho
davout: do you know how i can easily make a horse laugh ?
fluffypony: tell him a joke?
mircea_popescu: not the graph, the 13yos
davout: i tell him my dick is larger than his
davout: now do you know how i make him cry ?
fluffypony: no clue
mircea_popescu: show him your gf ? :D
davout: show him my dick
davout: dad's joke #7244
fluffypony: so Joel McHale's White House Correspondant's dinner speech was so bad they cancelled Community
mircea_popescu: it is a pretty good joke
fluffypony: season 5 will be the end
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude WAS atrocious.
fluffypony: yeah he bombed
benkay: poor guy
benkay: blamed for shit he didn't even write
punkman: was gonna get canceled anyway
mircea_popescu: everyone fancies themselves a comedian these days,
mircea_popescu: it's the singer-songwriter of the 2010s
mircea_popescu: benkay his timing was worse, and generally,
punkman: first couple of seasons were full of tvtrope orgasms
mircea_popescu: guy;s a talentless hack. you probably have coworkers more talented
fluffypony: punkman: agreed, it was way too long in the teeth. that's the problem with fan-driven show "resurrections", often the fans are too embroiled in the show to realise that it's time to die.
bounce: let's write a series then
benkay: coworkers?!
benkay: okay on a different note
benkay: how does a distributed team communicate over GPG?
benkay: s/over/with
benkay: email threads + encryption -> nightmare
davout: benkay: it's just a problem with the tool
davout: shouldn't be painful if your mail client is GPG-aware
joecool: davout: distributed
joecool: it's a bitch and a half
joecool: need to have a key for the team to work that way, or encrypt each message with each member's key
davout: joecool: that's dead easy with GPG
joecool: davout: which way and how?
pankkake: the only issue is when people leave or join, otherwise yes it's easy
davout: CLI -> cat message.txt | gpg -a -e -r member1 ... -r memberN -s -u my_key
punkman: shared key kinda works
davout: punkman: shared key is retarded
joecool: shared key is bad for security
pankkake: I use multiple destination a lot, actually
fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/I0JQld6.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: so then you get an email with n giant gpg blobs?
davout: pankkake: yeah, that's dead easy, also multiple recipients is kinda mandatory if you want to be able to decrypt what you encrypt to someone else
davout: benkay: no, because GPG uses a proxy key
pankkake: yes, I usually want to know WTF I wrote
davout: it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient
benkay: lovely!
benkay: thank you davout.
joecool: maybe someone in here with a better understanding of the inner workings of gnupg can answer this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
benkay: <davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient // joecool that's the deal right there
mircea_popescu: benkay> email threads + encryption -> nightmare << why ? we don't have a problem here do we ?
benkay: i'm just derpy and didn't know about the multiple recipient procedure mircea_popescu
joecool: benkay: that works, just wasn't sure of how to do it, my query is about something different
fluffypony: k I'm out, night
mircea_popescu: sleep well fluff
benkay: night fluffer
davout: also, for OSX-fags : pbpaste | gpg -a -e -r recipient1 ... -r recipientN -s -u my_key | pbcopy == encrypt+sign clipboard contents
joecool: i use openpgp smartcards, i don't keep my keys on any other form of storage other than my master key which is kept encrypted on an offline archive disk (this is so i can mint new openpgp smartcards if necessary)
davout: fluffypony: bye
joecool: but i also have key expiry set, i can't change my key expiry unless i load up gnupg with my offline copy and change it there
davout: fluffypony: nice cameltoe + spelling mistake, should read bitchcoin
joecool: if i try with smartcard it just errors
pankkake: fluffypony: that's better than the golden crackwhore
mircea_popescu: davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient << this is correct
mircea_popescu: the only part is the original block cypher encryption at the front that swells
pankkake: fun command of the day: gpg --list-packets
joecool: gah, hate pinentry
davout: joecool: wai, pinentry is cool
joecool: davout: it sucks ass, there's two ways for me to use it
joecool: 1. with ncurses, which it fucks up horribly
davout: pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent
joecool: 2. with X, which means won't work over screen or in console
joecool: but going back to problem one, it'll just corrupt the term anyway or not show up proper
davout: joecool: wat? when i use it on servers it works fine, and with OSX everything also goes better than expectation, did you try a Ctrl+L to unfuck the term (untested)
joecool: this is a gnupg 2.xx issue, gnupg 1.xx didn't have the problem because it didn't use pinentry
pankkake: yeah, it's annoying, I'm using 2. because of thunderbird, but then I can't use it over ssh without changing the pinentry
davout: joecool: i use 1 with pinentry
Apocalyptic: ncurses is not that bad
davout: joecool: have you tried to use === instead ?
davout: XD
davout: or in french : "ton câble est bien branché? t'as essayé de siffler comme un con?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15265 @ 0.0008831 = 13.4805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0008881 = 5.7282 BTC [+]
ozbot: Fein Coin | Indiegogo
davout: what has the internet done
mircea_popescu: is it a good thing ?
davout: "You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more."
davout: i need to delete the internet icon from my computer
Namworld: "My name is Ben Fein. I founded Fein Coin with the picture of letting people pay for them the buy gift cards using a mobile app. I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency. Enjoy. :)"
Namworld: >>I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency.<<
davout: he had me at "Fein Coin is a e-currency that in the beginning 1 Fein Coin=$20"
Namworld: That has got to be trolling...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00088811 = 23.002 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: amazingly cute ceo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: could he be more retarded ?
Namworld: Wait it's a video... so it's actually a kid...
benkay: couldn't say. is the kid really driving the thing?
Namworld: Maybe he vaguely understands Bitcoin and thinks he's mocking it by being "Look, I'm a kid, I can create money out of thin air too and scam you. See how stupid it is?"
Namworld: or someone else paid a kid to do a short video, for the same reason mentioned above.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088814 = 4.796 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that makes a low amt of sense number
jurov: mircea_popescu: coinbr referral code is fully optional, and i scoop the fees by default, so i don't need one myself :D
jurov: it's up to the users to lurk here or publish reflinks if they want referrals
Namworld: Well I'm out for the weekend.
jurov: bye Nam
mod6: <+davout> pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent << actually, you can avoid having to kill gpg-agent by not starting it up at all. just comment out `use-agent` in gpg.conf
mod6: iirc
pankkake: killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal
mod6: yep: halt-user-process
pankkake: and well, GPG agent is damn useful when you batch sign a lot of things
pankkake: it's often used to tell daemons to reload their config
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26721 @ 0.00088662 = 23.6914 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
mod6: I don't know why I keep forgetting that it's Hang-Up Process not Halt-User-Process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGHUP#SIGHUP
mod6: duuuur
jurov: "director of engineering" ..maybe it was the official title for ultimate phone hotline sink for unruly customers?
benkay: derprectum of engineering
artifexd: jurov: Can you answer a question about deposits into coinbr?
davout: pankkake: "killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal" <<< the HUP signal, so?
davout: mod6: nah, it's actually HANGUP
bounce: "SIGHUP [...] terminal line hangup"
davout: mod6: also i like my gpg-agent running, otherwise i woukdn't, you know, run it :D
davout: killall -HUP davout
mod6: <.<
jurov: artifexd yes?
artifexd: The amount I deposited doesn't match the amount I was credited. I originally thought the missing amount was the monthly fee because it was on 1 May.
artifexd: But the management fee came out 3 days later.
artifexd: So, is there a policy about rounding deposits?
benkay: jurov: scamm0r!
jurov: no that must have been a mistake
jurov: which tx was it?
artifexd: The order # in coinbr is 3985
artifexd: The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b
artifexd: It isn't enough for me to be upset about. But I was curious.
jurov: thanks for report, looking...
tim-tams: Hey guys, I'm run a Bitcoin website and weekly podcast and we're looking for a sponsor, pm me for more details if you're at all interested
mike_c: jurov is accurate to 18 decimal places :)
jurov: lol
jurov: artifexd: the rest credited
artifexd: jurov: You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you.
jurov: that's why it is good to show full records..
jurov: for example on mpex, such thing is much harder to notice that because it's beyond mircea to mention in STAT or else that "deposit of X was credited"
jurov: only balance suddelny changes
benkay: !up fanquake
assbot: Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.
BCB: Brock Pierce for President
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0349998 = 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait so what did i do wrong ?
jurov: question for me? that's not related to artifexd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03172 = 0.1586 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm just venting that balances on mpex can change at any time without any record shown in STAT
jurov: in case of deposits and pushes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
jurov: 'night!
mike_c: gnite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07326871 = 1.4654 BTC [-] {7}
TheNewDeal: tim-tams i told you I would sponsor 5$ worth for a middle finger dedicated to the COO of butterfly labs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3626 @ 0.00088241 = 3.1996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
benkay: jurov: you around?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07205306 = 4.3232 BTC [-] {13}
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.07121217 = 5.697 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 34 @ 0.041 = 1.394 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;kitten lasers
gribble: Error: "kitten" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;kittenlasers
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;laserkitten
gribble: Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: like the best bait to date
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00088167 = 13.4896 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Turning over a new leaf: Italian prisoners will get their sentences reduced by three days for every book they read while in jail"
mircea_popescu: dude, book me already. i have > 500 books i never had the time to read.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.46247108 = 3.6998 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Damn. That actually sounds like a good idea for retreat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00088159 = 28.5194 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03172 = 0.4758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]
ozbot: Facilities & Visitation
BingoBoingo: ^ Candidate for a place to open a reading retreat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03172 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}
dignork: !up omantianefultans
assbot: Voicing omantianefultans for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03116049 = 0.3116 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: !up sdfasdfasdf
assbot: Voicing sdfasdfasdf for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only 500!?!?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03109338 = 0.1555 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: !up omantianefultans
assbot: Voice for omantianefultans extended to 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03105789 = 0.1553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so here's what we've been working on the past couple weeks
nubbins`: sorry for the FB album, but it is what it is
nubbins`: no account required or anything
decimation: asciilifeform: [apple] also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation << this is very true
decimation: I heard a theory about this once. In the 90's, most business middle-managment went from being innocent of computers to suddenly owning a winblows box
nubbins`: hi omantianefultans
omantianefultans: Hi nubbins` ... Nice job with your FB project/albumn.
nubbins`: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]
decimation: Computing was taken from the hands of the engineers who actually computed with computers, and suddenly became the realm of MS crapware. The whining of the enigneers was ignored, generally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0008839 = 10.43 BTC [+]
decimation: Of course, the custom unix makers were also "unable to compete" with Intel cpus, due to the fact that they were fat and bloated from dumb money from gov't and big business
omantianefultans: nubbins`: You should make your whale picture with graffiti. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9527936
asciilifeform: decimation: sun et al died of linux
asciilifeform: which explains why they died when they did
decimation: they could have "embraced and extended" linux
decimation: Sun dipped its toe in that water for awhile, but it was a day late and a dollar short
asciilifeform: that would've been antithetical to the doctrine of 'we own the precious commercial rights to at&t unix, we must use them'
decimation: yeah. I linked to this talk awhile back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc Apparenlty Sun literally spent years trying to "legally" offer some kind of open source license
decimation: it wasn't that they were against doing so, it was just that they had 30 years of legal baggage and copyright to worry about
asciilifeform: decimation: the real crying shame is that the sun & alpha laptops made by tadpole inc. and others never took off
asciilifeform: laptop is the one place where os and hardware really must be build under one roof
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: (that, or properly documented chips, which remain an opium dream)
asciilifeform: today, apple stands entirely alone there.
decimation: what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. They saw the writing on the wall w.r.t. Asian manufacturing, and pushed for things like VHDL and whatnot to try to keep industry here, which succeeded to some degree
decimation: these days you get the feeling that there's nobody home at the levels of gov't that could "do something" about the complete transfer of the electronics industry to china et. al.
decimation: yeah this is pretty much the case. From what I can tell, most real engineering work is either done on old windows boxes (for engineering crapware) and Macbooks
asciilifeform: i generally think of using a laptop as something to be avoided, if possible.
asciilifeform: partly because apple machine is a serious headache
asciilifeform: (can you install 'ratpoison' under apple's os? nope)
asciilifeform: but at least apple's laptop... works.
decimation: no headache. just keep paying $2k per year for the latest widget and you are supported
decimation: God forbid you want to open it up to do anything
asciilifeform: actually the portables circa '08 and up open easily
asciilifeform: vs. the 'tin can' designs from before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22513 @ 0.00088405 = 19.9026 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: (where you had to use a 'spudger' and remove layer upon layer just to access the disk)
decimation: yeah that's true, I have a couple 08-09 laptops. I find they eat spinning platter hard drives for some reason
asciilifeform: decimation: can't bring myself to tolerate a spinning drive in any laptop whatsoever
decimation: yeah it's playing with fire. I wish someone would pick this up and make it a real product: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
asciilifeform: i rip them out and replace with cheap ssd (yeah they won't last a decade, but a laptop should be considered expendable anyway)
decimation: there's a business opportunity for some up-and-coming Chinese vendor to make inroads in the US market: make a repairable Unix "workstation" laptop
decimation: if you can sell for less than a macbook I think there is a market there
asciilifeform: decimation: no headache. just keep paying << i find apple's os just an uncommonly clunky way to run x11 & friends
decimation: ugg and in Mavericks they ditched X11 - you have to download some open source "Xquartz" project to make it work
decimation: every point release of OSX: less support for people who want to do something (apple is forever killing hypercard)
asciilifeform: lucky none of my apple boxes have this turd installed.
asciilifeform: the forced mouse use is an especially cruel torment on a portable.
asciilifeform: decimation: phun phact. it is traditionally illegal in the u.s. to sell a laptop with 100% documented chips.
asciilifeform: how? wireless card / fcc regs
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs
asciilifeform: therefore the idea is a non-starter, at least if built directly for american market
asciilifeform: (does eu have similar laws?)
decimation: in the future apple will sell the iGenuflect - you kneel prostrate in front of your laptop in memory of Steve, and it will grant you 1 hour of programming time
decimation: you could in theory lockdown the stuff that needs to be locked down in pure hardware
decimation: but that would require immense engineering time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well 500 is like 7 years wtf.
mircea_popescu: whgat am i in for, murder ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the books. my backlog contains junk like 'intro to Lie algebras,' etc
ozbot: FCC votes to boost Wi-Fi | TheHill
decimation: ?This will make it easier for all of us to consume a wide range of content on our mobile devices, most notably high definition video without frustrating lags or delays,? Cisco Director of Government Affairs Mary Brown wrote.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. << this is very true. perhaps the last govt push for sanity in any field.
asciilifeform: re: wireless card firmware - i suspect that when someone bothers to audit the blobs - with an eye to searching for creepy crawlies, rather than the customary functionality reverse-eng. - plenty will turn up.
asciilifeform: re: DoD standards, vdhl - at one point, vendors were required to provide full design - and - guarantee production to a certain date, far in the future
asciilifeform: as a condition of major contracts
mircea_popescu: back when.
asciilifeform: early '80s.
asciilifeform: somehow this faded away.
asciilifeform: to no one's great surprise.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
decimation: well, I think the best explanation is that the defense companies realized they could tell gov't employees what to do (via congress) rather than otherwise
asciilifeform: some time soon after, they realized that they can also dispense with the need to ship products that work
asciilifeform: and after that, with the very idea of shipping anything
asciilifeform: (see the ill-fated airplane, etc.)
decimation: congress was all about it, because they could hang all kinds of other "social good" on the procurement process
mircea_popescu: no i mean, yes, but that was way back when it still worked sort-of
asciilifeform: if you notice that the pay keeps coming regardless - why work.
decimation: who cares if your widget works (and is a good price) when you can employ a homeless black man with a Job
mircea_popescu: so in the end, this great experiment where congress is in the business of pork, the administration is into masturbation and the country is run by laws not men
mircea_popescu: kinda fails.
asciilifeform: most of the widgets that actually sail, fly, explode, presently in the field - are '80s designs at the core - at the very latest.
asciilifeform: (the famous 'u2' airplane - still flies. etc)
decimation: yep. note how "late" the f35 is
asciilifeform: tales abound, of janitors pulling on a mess of cable to reveal 'pdp-8' drywalled into a broom close oubliette, still running a radar set, etc.
asciilifeform: *closet
ThickAsThieves: what's the mpex rift shard?
decimation: the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage
asciilifeform: the familiar science fiction staple, of savages running across a cache of 'technology of the ancients' which still works, and going wild - that's reality.
ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema.com rift guild
gribble: Trilema, the Rift guild pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/trilema-the-rift-guild/>; Rift pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/rift>; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/>
decimation: ascii your blog has shown me how comp. language "advancement" is really just reinenting lisp and algol poorly
asciilifeform: decimation: and cpu archs re-implement pdp-11 poorly, and again and again...
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