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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29495036 = 1.4748 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 294 @ 0.003 = 0.882 BTC [+]
ozbot: Afroman - Keep It Movin - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 91 @ 0.0032 = 0.2912 BTC [+]
ozbot: Fucking David Mitchell's Soapbox, says Hitler - YouTube
ozbot: Nimbin Joint Rolling Contest-Australia - YouTube
Vexual: now thats what i call comic timing
dub: which one is Vexual?
Vexual: u dud
Vexual: 50 years to a microsecond
Vexual: whats going on? theres a midget
Vexual: theres no punchline is there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 85 @ 0.00345 = 0.2933 BTC [+]
Vexual: i won 12 minutes ago
Vexual: stand up[ if youre done. lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 196 @ 0.0035 = 0.686 BTC [+]
Vexual: its classy coz projectors nubbins
ozbot: Katy Perry sings Niggas in Paris (Cover) Live Lounge - YouTube
ozbot: Goldie - Innercity Life - YouTube
ozbot: Killing Zoe - "If it wasn't for my country..." - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17745 @ 0.00088715 = 15.7425 BTC [-]
Vexual: its always about a girl, even when its sbout the money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14799999 BTC [+]
ozbot: Nuthin But Time!..... H.M.S , RBC , 2 Kingz - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
Vexual: hey dj
ozbot: ODB- Brooklyn Zoo Video - YouTube
Vexual: ;;ticker --market btchigh
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['btcde', 'mtgox', 'bfx', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btsp', 'btce', 'btcavg'] or 'all'
Vexual: ;;ticker --market btcchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 873.824, Best ask: 873.84045, Bid-ask spread: 0.01645, Last trade: 873.824, 24 hour volume: 78928.72000000, 24 hour low: 863.7895, 24 hour high: 929.096, 24 hour vwap: 902.069256272
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00308998 = 0.1267 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: ;;gribble imaginevalue
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
pankkake: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 867.54, Best ask: 871.87, Bid-ask spread: 4.33000, Last trade: 870.74, 24 hour volume: 82668.28, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 895.28
pankkake: btcchina has a btcusd?
Vexual: no
Vexual: did i do it wrong?
Vexual: gribble dont yuan?
pankkake: perhaps it converts to USD, which is actually neat
Vexual: i still care more about ringgits, and i havent sold a pirate 1.44 for years
Vexual: we called them greendiscs
benkay`: ;;ud ringit
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ringit | When a person licks their fingers and creates a ring below the lit end of a blunt to make it burn evenly. This stops the blunt from running.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: ringit
Vexual: malaysian ringgit
benkay`: i know
Vexual: well fucking spell it right
benkay`: chill v
Vexual: do it, it's a bot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 75 @ 0.00375 = 0.2813 BTC [-]
Vexual: thats pre internet kids
ozbot: The Bitcoin Derivatives Market Has Arrived | Zero Hedge
Vexual: i cant see anything, what does it say?
Vexual: zerohedge sounds like an axleload of bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09649982 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.04758706 = 0.3331 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28702001 BTC [-]
ozbot: Busta Rhymes - Gimme Some More - YouTube
truffles: good times
ozbot: Lady Sovereign I Got You Dancing Young Live Remix - YouTube
Vexual: such dive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14860001 BTC [-]
Vexual: such is dife
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14860001 BTC [-]
Vexual: suck blocjchain lezness
Vexual: dife
Vexual: dufe
Vexual: duke
Vexual: dyke
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14880001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14880001 BTC [+]
pankkake: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1052596732.1 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
pankkake: nooooooooo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14890001 BTC [+]
Vexual: in like tat?
truffles: 19 days to go still
Vexual: ;seen tat
truffles: ;;seen TAT
gribble: I have not seen TAT.
Vexual: dickhead
pankkake: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 4 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> ;;estimate
pankkake: hehehe
Vexual: :)
truffles: he's still in room u know
Vexual: hes on the hotline to any journalist
Vexual: michelle phipper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14729999 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.14709999 = 0.5884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14669999 = 0.2934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8521 @ 0.0008871 = 7.559 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00299 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.28701002 = 1.7221 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 52 @ 0.00377 = 0.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 75 @ 0.00389 = 0.2918 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 82 @ 0.0039 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
ozbot: AC/DC - JailBreak - YouTube
truffles: i wish i can fly
ozbot: AC/DC - Girls Got Rhythm (Official Video) - YouTube
truffles: such a good band
Vexual: never heard of em
truffles: ac dc!
Vexual: im gonna set fire to some shit. audi
pankkake: such good band*
pankkake: much guitars
pankkake: many electrity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.05 = 1.05 BTC
KRS1: such fun
KRS1: god now you convinced me to buy doge coin
KRS1: even you guys?
KRS1: everybody is talking like that
KRS1: I thought I was safe here
KRS1: =/
pankkake: there seem to be many giveaways
KRS1: my god how much coin can this wale have almost 24 hours of dumping coins
Vexual: hmm a bonfire in daylight hours feels weird
Vexual: sometimes i wish i had friends
truffles: only brings u grief in the end though
Vexual: or vice verse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6834 @ 0.00008412 = 0.5749 BTC [-] {13}
Vexual: i can mine all doge dont need friend
truffles: meh i dont think ppl know what the word means
Vexual: all i need is my hobo coins and a doge
Vexual: theese die faster than a guinea pig and kill anything
Vexual: also cute
truffles: dogs so much work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 150 @ 0.00343666 = 0.5155 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: kinda pretend from oldschool genses
fiat500: why are people still purchasing KCIM which atm now just amounts to distressed debt?
pankkake: they must see "1764.71% yield"!!!
fiat500: LOL yeah i saw that
Vexual: maybe 5th element
truffles: the 6th element was a good movie
truffles: or was it 5th
Vexual: 7 is the key number here
pankkake: 5th element 6th sense
Vexual: 9 weeks?
Vexual: 9.5 sorry
Vexual: who can name future scifi money?
Vexual: scifi future even
Vexual: there's chits in waterworld
truffles: when we watch movies, always comment on the low-techness of it
Vexual: fan cut of terminator with bitcoin? will it blend?
truffles: like timecop, floppy disks hehe
Vexual: how old was john conner in 09?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.00299867 = 1.0795 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: sent back mp to be his dad
truffles: dunno but i enjoyed the tv show version and somehow i quit it
truffles: who cancels on terminator!
pankkake: you quit on summer glau?
Vexual: hair came out curly and had limo instead of shitty dirtbike
Vexual: whats summe glau?
pankkake: how can you not know
pankkake: heretic
Vexual: hexen?
pankkake: hehe
pankkake: such game
KRS1: this doggie talk is taking over the world.
KRS1: vexual you might be safe out there idk
KRS1: girls LOVE doge coin
KRS1: they gotta have the goin
KRS1: coin just because itsgcude
truffles: namecoin hows that doing?
truffles: cant go more generic than that
Vexual: u can still get a domain, but noone can see
Vexual: i remake hexen, and put hell dog everywhere where dogecoin is mine
Vexual: must shoot or die
Vexual: this game has better graphics i think
Vexual: is that her name? summer glue?
KRS1: this dump is i cant believable
pankkake: Vexual: :(
pankkake: what dump
pankkake: usually unbelievable dumps happen in my toilet
Vexual: did i jest to truly?
Vexual: what dump
Vexual: value email if you like
Vexual: spam alone is worth 50 billion
Vexual: but if the network WAS money
Vexual: oi
Vexual: internet + money = internet + money
truffles: does money define the person hmm
Vexual: nope
Vexual: thats why "rich" guys keep doing what theyre doing so your grand puppies can have some semblence of a life
truffles: lotta ppl in the btc world dont seem poor, at least not before maybe after :D
fiat500: all theoretical riches
Vexual: yeah
fiat500: well, sorry, much of it is theoretical
Vexual: but still
KRS|Gotchawallet: Ooooie...I can't believable..just like a leetle girl.
pankkake: I like your username fiat500
truffles: if they werent poor beforehand, id hope theyd try to expand the idea not get moar rich..
Vexual: ask tat about real speakers
fiat500: thanks pankkake, your nick is also really neat
pankkake: you dirty pervert!
fiat500: sounds delicious...
KRS|Gotchawallet: yes, we all love pankkake
truffles: little pusssi girl hehe
truffles: little hoooker
Vexual: it all went wrong after he askes.."chu want the floppy?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29814284 = 2.087 BTC [+] {3}
fiat500: i see the quality of discourse has taken a real hit here
truffles: improve it then
fiat500: in time my friend
Vexual: are you a new fiat or an old fiat 500?
Vexual: i like new ones better and hate myself for it
KRS|Gotchawallet: hold on to your undies little girls i guess we are going to wall street for moar leet trading
pankkake: are your tires inflated enough?
KRS|Gotchawallet: get out your fav. trading terminals
ozbot: SecondMarket CEO: Wall Street Will Put 'Hundreds of Millions' Into Bitcoin - Yahoo Finance
KRS|Gotchawallet: looks like i'll need a new wallet
Vexual: i think pankakke knows i roll old shit
truffles: lots of loans are gonna be taken out ?
KRS|Gotchawallet: we're going to have to give moar leverage =D
KRS|Gotchawallet: oh this is gonna be fun
KRS|Gotchawallet: I got 10 mil on doge at .03
KRS|Gotchawallet: such profits
fiat500: wall street isn't a thing, this secondmarket crap is no different than the tradehill and coinlab VC jokes
fiat500: if i trade on NYSE does that automatically grant me "wall street" membership?
KRS|Gotchawallet: fiat500: everyone has access and money to buy now, instead of these jokes we call exchanges
fiat500: where is the line drawn, accredited investors? such bullshit
KRS|Gotchawallet: the supply will be bought up
pankkake: for a journalist, "finance stuff" = "wall street"
pankkake: that's like "country" = "capital", just a fancy word
KRS|Gotchawallet: would you rather a life with mtgox?
fiat500: many people in finance have been trading btc since the early days
KRS|Gotchawallet: this is opening up to new markets, nobody can buy virtual currency now only some people..now more can buy into it
truffles: i dont think its that easy to obtain btc..
fiat500: in the US it has never been difficult
Vexual: true dat
fiat500: not sure about other places
KRS|Gotchawallet: fiat500 what are you serious>
truffles: ya but ppl will have to "research"
Vexual: its equally difficult to obtainbing dollars
fiat500: no there are firms that will deal offline with large investors
KRS|Gotchawallet: fiat500 you know what you're right
Vexual: and if u wanna buy big in bejing u see puss
truffles: little pussi girl?
Vexual: da cat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 54 @ 0.00300001 = 0.162 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: who was that german guy who got rumbled for 2000 bc and his laptop when the meet moved to a deserted country lane?
fiat500: LOL
fiat500: if you're trying to hide your gains from the tax man, you're gonna have a bad time
Vexual: thats the only violent bc thing i remembers sans what fbi said about dpr
Vexual: ive never done anything illegal in my life
fiat500: not talking about you
Vexual: oh
fiat500: i just realized the difficulty in obtaining btc people mentioned here is because people are trying to do it on the DL with cash
truffles: its shocking to me that its not truly annoymous..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2155 @ 0.00286268 = 6.1691 BTC [-] {7}
Vexual: a btc trust is still legal in oz
Vexual: despite chinas double bluff
Vexual: and id guess a trust dont need a bank in china either
Vexual: whats the advantage of holding bc in trust i hear you ask
fiat500: hahahaha
fiat500: fine, tell me
Vexual: give me a new caper and i will
Vexual: thats an aussie lizard
Vexual: are you a sydney stockbroker?
fiat500: never been to sydney
Vexual: i was selling this in sydney coke bars winnter '12 people thought i was retarded
fiat500: O_o
fiat500: the lizard or bitcoin?
Vexual: bc
Vexual: where are you from fiat?
fiat500: im from the internet
Vexual: italia?
fiat500: i wish
Vexual: lol
Vexual: think on it dude, i gotta go
Vexual: ciao
fiat500: think on what
fiat500: cya
fiat500: what a guy
truffles: im here :)
fiat500: was it you who wrote that article about asicminer being the next asicminer last summer?
truffles: lol no
fiat500: who was it
truffles: i havent written any articles
truffles: dunno
fiat500: well, "article" is pushing it
truffles: ever have a bunch of options and cant decide on one?
fiat500: all the time
truffles: how do u choose?
truffles: i liked Sheldon's magic 8ball method
fiat500: lol
fiat500: i dont always choose
fiat500: sometimes the choice is made for me, for whatever reason
truffles: mine arent srs ldo
fiat500: direct result of there being other people on this planet
truffles: but they could steer my path
fiat500: i say buy
truffles: sadly purchasing isnt usually my problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00088706 = 5.7659 BTC [-]
KRS|Gotchawallet: cant help but seeing all the good news lately..although i am not confident enough to put bitcoin in my IRA, some people might be crazy enough to do it..hey it could mean early retirement too
ozbot: Fidelity now allows clients to put bitcoins in IRAs - The Tell - MarketWatch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
Vexual: my fire annoyed many naeighbours, caused a storm, and is currently cooking 3 kilo of chicken breasts mainly by smoke
Vexual: that timber was greener than i thought
fiat500: yes
Vexual: chicks like smoked chicken breast
Vexual: and storms
Vexual: i thought someone had taken a photo, because the lthunder took 6 seconds after the ightening
Vexual: i lovce the tropics
Vexual: i was alone and there were no weirdos in the bushes
Vexual: but shes rolling up slowly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.3 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: so all you paleo kids whi wont eat quiche, i make storms when i cook my meat. dig?
Vexual: rain you kinky bitch! i dont want lightnng i want wetess
Vexual: you dont want to see vex go johannesburg on god let me tell you
Vexual: who would i call for the ransom?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
Vexual: im moving location, i could piss a better monsoon than this
KRS|Gotchawallet: vexual: hit me
KRS|Gotchawallet: its too quiet in here
Duffer1: move to american midwest, buy a trailor
Duffer1: come to tornado ally, experience the wrath of god first hand
Vexual: thats not monsoonal duffer, but i hear its nice up in the hills
Vexual: fck bears
Vexual: give me tiger sharks and irukandji
Vexual: we get cyclones
Vexual: thats a tornado 50 miles wide
Vexual: my house is mainly glass
Vexual: im hauling ass inland and collecting insurance if one hits
Vexual: tornados dont do windspeeds like hurricanes or cyclones, you just build shit houses
Vexual: imagine strapping your house to the back of a truck and doing 300 down the highway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00088944 = 4.4917 BTC [+]
Vexual: a tornado is a little updraft
Vexual: yo wallet breath
ozbot: Willie Nelson & Toots Hibbert - I'm A Worried Man - YouTube
KRS|Gotchawallet: now playing
Vexual: lifes tough and god wont listen
Vexual: i want rain!
Vexual: god wants more smoke
ozbot: Damian Marley - Smoke Gets In My Eyes - YouTube
Vexual: fuck boy, where are you from?
Vexual: im doing a rain dance here
Vexual: if you wanna get country, come to oz
ozbot: Paul Kelly - I've done all the dumb things - YouTube
Vexual: put that on your android head unit
ozbot: The Waifs - SunDirtWater - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05 = 0.6 BTC
ozbot: Coinbase Raises $25 Million From Andreessen Horowitz - The Coinbase Blog
Vexual: whats the money for?
KRS|Gotchawallet: MOAR Chickun
truffles: sundirtwater very nice
KRS|Gotchawallet: Litecoin is suppost to pop to $100 or so
Vexual: yeah tuff ozzie
ozbot: Cold Chisel - Best Of Cold Chisel - Khe Sanh - YouTube
KRS|Gotchawallet: this paul kelly joint is allright
KRS|Gotchawallet: i like it
Vexual: *truff
truffles: no to chisel
Vexual: they yore an idiot
ozbot: Cold Chisel- Bow River - YouTube
truffles: nice intro
Vexual: vb is excellent too
Vexual: it wins medals
Vexual: u think bogans dont know about music and beer?
truffles: prefer the non-live versions
Vexual: its a 5 start bitter in holland
ozbot: Traveling Wilburys End Of The Line - YouTube
KRS1: damn power cut off
Vexual: your private school girlfriend's dad has this on the record player instead, its the same shit
KRS1: hmm
ozbot: Prince George's first Christmas sees Prince Harry dressed as Santa Claus | Mail Online
jurov: ^ thestringpuller: ome inspiration how to do the painting
KRS1: ppl are starting to say bitcoin is dead
jurov: nope, its undead
Vexual: yeah well the windsors have the travelling wilburys on lp, so i wouldnt worry yet
Vexual: smokin afghans is cool with the queen
KRS1: i thinkk the big sales of coin on the markets got everyone figuring that if the price goes down to pennies wtf is the point
Vexual: how much sold this wek?
KRS1: idk i dont have figures of all the markets
KRS1: maybe bitcoincharts does
BingoBoingo: KRS1: If Litecoin breaks $100 it will probably happen as a side effect of BTC Breaking $5000-$10,000
Vexual: not a pinch of shit dropped into a pond if you were looking for ripples on the edge
Vexual: people here make coin on volatility
truffles: that one prince is aging badly
truffles: way too skiny
KRS1: these big sales are making people edgy
Vexual: the one with helicopters with 100mm chain guns?
KRS1: BingoBoingo: Litecoins are breaking into new markets- forex and metal traders are now looking at it
ozbot: Super Heavy Miracle Worker Official Music Video HD - YouTube
truffles: dont like this mix, female should be solo..
Vexual: yeah aunty liz like teh stones
ozbot: Yes Sir Boss ft Joss Stone - Come Together - YouTube
Vexual: its rain
KRS1: i cant listen to all these songs so quick
Vexual: hit the last one coot
truffles: u can if u dont like em all
truffles: son of a preacher man shouldve been goto!
truffles: wait thats not her original song
Vexual: joss smoked more marijuana from age 14-18 than nubbins has ever smoked
Vexual: she broke song school
Vexual: cue it up truff
ozbot: Joss Stone - Right To Be Wrong - YouTube
ozbot: The Beatles - Come Together - YouTube
Vexual: i love joss
Vexual: beetles huh
Vexual: not in germany friend
Vexual: its about the moiney
Vexual: chinese imitation works
ozbot: Oasis - Champagne Supernova - YouTube
Vexual: you know the kraken will eat us like squid rings truffle?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
Vexual: u carpaccio with every permutation of yolo kid?
truffles: sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3039999 = 0.912 BTC [+]
KRS1: thats a great song dude
Vexual: krs sos your mom
truffles: great song indeed
Vexual: bwahahaa
ozbot: Silverchair - Tomorrow - YouTube
Vexual: best seattle
ozbot: Damien Rice - Volcano - Official Video - YouTube
KRS1: that silverchair song is like one of my all time fav songs
KRS1: do you guys like Jerry Cantrell - My Song
Vexual: yeah quality rockers krs
Vexual: the singer has ass cancer that requires herb and smokes with politicians
Vexual: needa herb anyway
Vexual: some shit
KRS1: everyone could use some herb
truffles: silverchair makes me think of matchbox20
ozbot: Midnight Oil - Beds Are Burning - YouTube
Vexual: this guy was out education and environment minister for a bit
Vexual: ah fuck no germany
ozbot: Dancing Days-Stone Temple Pilots - YouTube
ozbot: Dancing Days-Stone Temple Pilots - YouTube
truffles: my song very nice
KRS1: <TuxBlackEdo> first 10 people to PM me will get 1 Bitcoin
KRS1: go for it he's looking for love
Vexual: have you got anyones wallet?
KRS|Gotyawallet: no i wouldnt do that
Vexual: did some freenode fuck steal your name?
Vexual: coz i registered vex when my teeth went rotten
Vexual: *were'nt
Vexual: go away for 6 months ond lose your shit
truffles: dont need 6 months to do tha
KRS|Gotyawallet: no..there's someone with the name krs and krs1 was confusing
KRS|Gotyawallet: krs was registered and i didnt know it
Vexual: 3 months they getcha
truffles: its not a unique name uknow :D
KRS|Gotyawallet: this one is
Gotyawallet: I registered like 10 variants of this one
Gotyawallet: <todamoon> but i dont have real money to buy
Gotyawallet: <todamoon> only a few thousand bitcoins
truffles: i only have about 3 of this
truffles: if it gets claimed, im sure i can think of somethink else
Gotyawallet: you've been truffles forever
rvex: who would want truffles
truffles: some random who knows
ozbot: Here Comes The Hotstepper With Lyrics - YouTube
ozbot: Here Comes The Hotstepper Evian remix - YouTube
Gotyawallet: Hmm! I shall have to sample.
Vexual: you would
Vexual: are you at work kars1?
truffles: u didnt like "volcano"?
Gotyawallet: naw i dont work anymore..i just live off bitcoins
Gotyawallet: no bills really either
ozbot: Driicky Graham "Snapbacks & Tattoos" - YouTube
Gotyawallet: That f'n song goes HAM at 1:05
truffles: better end of ur rap links :D
truffles: take away that annoying female and it improves
Gotyawallet: i listen to everything
truffles: subpar things*
Gotyawallet: foggy and dreary sunrise on the atlantic east coast of south florida
truffles: eh eh eh eh?
Gotyawallet: haaha i love that part
truffles: i wish they edited that part out
truffles: is there a way to do so?
Gotyawallet: i've done all kinds of things with audacity
truffles: i could clean up a bunch of songs
Gotyawallet: audacity ftw its ez
Gotyawallet: i made songs better, some longer and what not
truffles: cool
truffles: will look into this life changing tech
Gotyawallet: even gox's market sales data looks scammy..flatline at $885 is sticking out like a sore thumb..wtf.
truffles: i dont want to make instrumental though
truffles: just remove specific elements
mircea_popescu: o look, wences' wallet thing was acquired for 50mn.
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 10,009 BTC << BitBet over 10k BTC bet.
pigeons: yay an exchange run by zhoutong, i know where this leads
pigeons: the chinese relic hunter is still out there with the real killer of OJ's wife
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pigeons it leads exactly nowhere.
pigeons: I don't think anyone competent would even have any desire to run a USD/AUD/UK/whatever government money <-> BTC exchange
mircea_popescu: depends how large they were.
ozbot: Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube
mircea_popescu: if it's a case of "shut up or we're building our own nuclear subs" then maybe.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02674999 = 0.2407 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this is like badbios reloaded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00359998 = 0.36 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also proof the internet is for retards and prepubescent children : http://media2.adshuffle.com/images/1053073/c30cb561e1c14890b210284570090c72.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
Gotyawallet: I knew that autocomplete was going to fuck someone!
Gotyawallet: I KNEW IT
Gotyawallet: Do these people not have any common sense when they make shit like this!
mircea_popescu: but it helps people by making things easier for them!
mircea_popescu: i've never ever used because i'm nuts, not because it's patently useless.
Gotyawallet: i dont understand the picture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00088849 = 10.3509 BTC [-] {2}
Gotyawallet: I hope that lawyer's up and sues everyone involved to poverty.
Gotyawallet: and shares for lawsuit dollars please
Gotyawallet: id rather have $60 mil shares instead of $60 mil usd
dexX7: Only problem Kantor says is that after he typed the word “controlled,” Google search allegedly auto-completed his phrase with the word “bomb” << lol what
pigeons: that happens. the question the article doesnt answer is are his claims of how his life was affected true or not
pigeons: we can't tell the tin foil nut from the oppressed anymore
Gotyawallet: bottom line, no probable cause? get the fuck out of our searches.
pigeons: well i don't have anything to hide so i leave the bathroom door open when i take my dumps
mircea_popescu: kinda the sign of the end days isn't it.
ozbot: How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet
deadweasel: MPEx, a stock exchange for companies with shares traded in bitcoins -- there are four of them -- also lists bitcoin options.
mircea_popescu: so someone please explain benkay` s link to me please. bitbet has a btc/usd bet that has more volume on it than the entire predictious bullshit put together.
deadweasel: mpex in FORTUNE.
mircea_popescu: does tyler durden write about bitbet ? no, does not.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on there ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't this zerohedge thing supposed to be like, NOT verge/gawker/vice/whatever ?
mircea_popescu: you can't tell the shitholes from the fuckholes anymore i swear.
dexX7: oh did they interview you for that line?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 hm ?
dexX7: did a reporter approach you and asked about mpex?
mircea_popescu: zerohedge has reporters ?!
mircea_popescu: omfg how long have i been asleep
pigeons: i bet a reporter asks mircea_popescu about GLBSE before mpex
mircea_popescu: pigeons i can just link'em :)
deadweasel: "MPEx charges 30 bitcoins to open an account, which at Wednesday's closing price was $33,000."
mircea_popescu: if in the end this comes down to, "some starving fucker in england paid someone @zh $200 for a repvertorial" i'm going to piss all over them.
pankkake: I'm pretty sure you can easily get published on ZH
mircea_popescu: dexX7 o you meant the fortune thing did you. yeah, guy was around here for a coupla days asking questions.
mircea_popescu: (he asked me via email and i sent him here)
dexX7: ah okay
mircea_popescu: it's all in the logs, which is how it should be imo.
dexX7: the article doesn't sound very positive though.. or the reporter is clueless about how things work
mircea_popescu: pankkake well apparently it doesn't work that way.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 the logs kinda answer that question for ya. which is how it should be #2 :)
pankkake: they take from a few blogs already, perhaps submit something trollbaiting enough and it will get published
mircea_popescu: perhaps it's their fucking job to do their fucking job ?
mircea_popescu: that was the original point, i thought the theory is that zh is not old media.
mircea_popescu: so far that theory and practice fail to mesh at all.
pankkake: well certainly not old media, being contrarian is their raison d'être !
mircea_popescu: i fail to see it. that's the most obsequious piece ever.
mircea_popescu: seriously, promote a disqus based, bullshit black footer site ?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather promote government cheese.
pankkake: zh doesn't use disqus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the shit they're now promoting does.
mircea_popescu: complete fucking abdication from any responsibility, it's disgusting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.299 = 0.598 BTC [-]
ozbot: This finance expert thinks Bitcoin will fall 99 percent by June
dexX7: tl;tr: bitcoin is doomed and the euro is decentralized
Rulother: 99% lol
pankkake: yes bitcoin is 99% lol
mircea_popescu: you been away for a coupla days i take it >D
dexX7: yeah pankkake already linked me to this article :)
pankkake: 1% speculation
mircea_popescu: lol okthan!
ozbot: U.S. Government Nastygram Shuts Down One-Man Bitcoin Mint | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
pigeons: i thought money was meant and intended to be transmitted
pigeons: omg you transmitted money
pigeons: money wants to be transmited
pigeons: wtf else to do with it
ThickAsThieves: terrorism bro!
ThickAsThieves: he can just sell his brand to some european I guess
pigeons: oh yeah and child porn and drugs
topace: thestringpuller: correction, i dont run havelock, i run the Havelock Mining Fund (HMF)
mircea_popescu: so who runs havelock ?
pigeons: shadowy carribean investors
pigeons: aka topace ;)
mircea_popescu: lmao this quest for anonimity. why would anyone trust this thing if nobody actually will step up and say "yeah, it's me" ?
mircea_popescu: government tried this route already. it fails.
topace: the panama fund runs havelock (the exchange)
mircea_popescu: the panama thing isn't running anything.
mircea_popescu: you gotta have a person. who is the boss ?
topace: you can call the office and ask
mircea_popescu: i ain't calling no office. they come here and tell me.
mircea_popescu: if they want to exist, that is.
topace: heh
mircea_popescu: wanna bitcoin, gotta play by bitcoin rules.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, go open a hamburger franchise or w/e.
topace: but i like hamburgers
pigeons: manager's face is on the door at my burger place
pigeons: he's not a clown either ;)
mircea_popescu: pigeons i thought the company ran the joint.
pigeons: yeah, well somebody's face is there
pigeons: he has nice teeth
unbalanced: What do you get when you have everything?
unbalanced: ;;seen javanomad
gribble: javanomad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <javanomad> ;;seen unbalanced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.299 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: bitbet: Confirmed total: 10,009 BTC
kakobrekla: congrats.
kakobrekla: thanks!
unbalanced: Is that live bets now
unbalanced: Or lifetime?
kakobrekla: all of incoming ever
unbalanced: either way, wow
unbalanced: When did you launch? January?
unbalanced: Well played, gentlemen.
kakobrekla: ty :)
unbalanced: javanomad, since we're missing each other here: got the coffee two days ago and handed it all out in 5 minutes to the others at the coworking space
mircea_popescu: lol da fuck am i gonna do with a unicorn
unbalanced: Chicks dig unicorns?
mircea_popescu: do unicorns dig chicks ?
unbalanced: javanomad: I was greeted like a conquering hero
mircea_popescu: pigeons what's with us ppl and teeth anyway
mircea_popescu: all you hear is how people's teeth are. it's like some weird voodoo shit by now
unbalanced: But more importantly globe-spanning P2P Bitcoin commerce ftw! They were suddenly way more curious about Bitcoin, it really helps tell the story.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced good for you.
unbalanced: Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything
ozbot: Romanian state TV airs Christmas carol about burning Jews | Jewish Telegraphic Agency
pigeons: mircea_popescu: i noticed when i was a child people's "orthodontists" would reccomend the child get braces to pay for a new boat for the "doctor". He told my mom my sister really needed them because otherwise low self esteem could mar her life forever. You notice lots of people with the exact same shaped teeth, its rather boring. It doesn't seem to bother Britons who floss with pocketknifes and forks
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, what a recipe for disaster this is, get a bunch of very emotionally repressed, sexually insecure protestant type people and lock them up in a can where the usual british problem of "acceptable things to talk about" is resolved by economical interest.
mircea_popescu: if there's not advertisers to make topics acceptable to discuss among strangers, there'd only be silence.
mircea_popescu: i suppose us housewives hold tupperware parties just for the shred of human contact.
ThickAsThieves: you arent far off the mark
mircea_popescu: scandalous.
ozbot: USA TODAY: Latest World and US News - USATODAY.com
ThickAsThieves: look at the logo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00089111 = 11.1389 BTC [+] {5}
dexX7: to teh moon
mircea_popescu: octopussy ?
dexX7: looks toxic, in green
mircea_popescu: o hey. nice.
mircea_popescu: "Shortly after his panel on investment opportunities, former child star Brock Pierce (The Mighty Ducks) was engulfed by a throng of admirers."
mircea_popescu: what was this ?
mircea_popescu: "Brock Pierce is the godfather of virtual currency," says David Johnston, CEO of Engine, and another early adopter of the digital currency.
mircea_popescu: o hey lol. jesus went out of style as a style.
ThickAsThieves: "It's like being on the ground floor of the Internet 20 years ago," Smith said. "Bitcoin is going to be transformative."
ThickAsThieves: from the article from the green bitcoin logo link
pigeons: wtf
ThickAsThieves: it's awesome watching the shills take form
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dude, he was an advocate since the 90s
mircea_popescu: way before satoshi's time.
ThickAsThieves: of course
mircea_popescu: i'm rooting for the guy who was advocating it in korea.
ThickAsThieves: I invented digital currency once by mistake
ThickAsThieves: i just didnt patent it
mircea_popescu: sue the winklevoss.
ThickAsThieves: every major article reveals the author/pub's bitcoin ownership status and not much more
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 905.0, Best ask: 908.354, Bid-ask spread: 3.35400, Last trade: 909.0, 24 hour volume: 11088.84685319, 24 hour low: 856.123, 24 hour high: 959.88, 24 hour vwap: 898.69515
ThickAsThieves: such a fkn ponzi
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it also reveals this funny "we have no understanding of any of the constraints of the space, therefore we don't understand what competence is or why would you want to build on the results of others"
mircea_popescu: pretty anticultural and obviously self limiting.
ThickAsThieves: better to be a unique snowflake and make it up as you go
ThickAsThieves: no one's paying attention anyway
mircea_popescu: outright sterile, actually. the only thing a guy that comes out to claim he's the guy that REALLY invented bitcoin could possibly produce is a ream of arguments with all the other guys claiming they did it even before him.
ThickAsThieves: other than the advertisers
thestringpuller: ;;google "you are not a unique snowflake"
gribble: Fight Club (novel) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fight_Club_(novel)>; Fight Club (1999) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/quotes>; you are not a beautiful or unique snowflake - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2AvfSTi6Q>
mircea_popescu: anyway, they do have the lemon sale, which is actual news.
mircea_popescu: no idea why they link this nonsense, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: not like they're zerohedge and people have expectations or anything.
thestringpuller: zerohedge good? wall street journal bad?
ThickAsThieves: hey remember when everyone wanted to decentralize everything?
mircea_popescu: financial trade rags bad ; zh latecomer ; claims "we're not gonna be that retarded" ; benefit of doubt ; dissapoint.
ThickAsThieves: now colored coins devs are back in their closet waiting to be brought out for the next exchange shutdown
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the only reason that stopped is because the current crop of fanbois are too intellectually lazy to even take that much of a reading plunge
mircea_popescu: they don't even know that's a thing.
mircea_popescu: basically it's summed up by george costanza's "a widget for televising opera or whatever"
pankkake: well some seem to be in the testing phase, i.e. the moment they realize it sucks
ThickAsThieves: wtf is up with change outputs anyway
pankkake: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: sounds like a decent obama slogan
mircea_popescu: "The Outputs of Change"
ThickAsThieves: well it's silly that a wallet exposes more info than needed for the tx
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: there seems to be progress re colored coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3900841#msg3900841
ThickAsThieves: will not click
dexX7: haha k
ThickAsThieves: gotta stay ignant!
dexX7: <ThickAsThieves> well it's silly that a wallet exposes more info than needed for the tx << ?
dexX7: that's how bitcoin works
ThickAsThieves: it spews info?
dexX7: you can't take "half of an output, so you don't have any change"
jcpham: will not click eh
jcpham: y u no clikc dramatalk link tat
ThickAsThieves: you can explain it all you like
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean it cant be designed better
jcpham: actvemining is still a thing?
pankkake: you could tweak the whole input selection, and do things like create multiple outputs
pankkake: but the whole input/output thing is there for a reason, I don't think it can be easily changed
ThickAsThieves: couldnt someone make a decentralized bitcoin laundering scheme?
pankkake: well activemining is a thing in a sense that unicorns are still a thing, you can write stories about them
dexX7: well, if you want to use multiple inputs and outputs, you can do it
pankkake: there is CoinJoin and some other thing I always forget the name of
pankkake: CoinSwap
ozbot: Fidelity now allows clients to put bitcoins in IRAs - The Tell - MarketWatch
jcpham: ;;baratio --market bitstamp
gribble: Total bids: 16525252 USD. Total asks: 16205 BTC. Ratio: 1019.73429 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0533 seconds
jcpham: ;;baratio
gribble: Total bids: 34368303 USD. Total asks: 29979 BTC. Ratio: 1146.38318 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0950 seconds
Duffer1: still have to be an accredited investor for that though i believe
thestringpuller: Whatever happened to that
dexX7: speaking of bitcoin and outputs.. https://blockchain.info/tx/f0d9df5e1b0312f9b5a61cd3469083c3f2c8945de4dc648f4218ddbd0a2cdfdc?show_adv=true =D (take a look at the output scripts)
thestringpuller: thing TradeHill was making
ozbot: Coinbase Raises $25 Million From Andreessen Horowitz - The Coinbase Blog
ThickAsThieves: "Separately, we’re also very pleased to share that Gavin Andresen has joined Coinbase as an advisor. "
ThickAsThieves: "We are averaging 10,000 new customer sign-ups a day, and are now working with over 16,000 merchants including OkCupid, Khan Academy, and Reddit, who use Coinbase to accept bitcoin. "
pankkake: dexX7: I'm surprised it got into a block
pankkake: oh, blame Luke-Jr!
dexX7: hahaha
dexX7: yep
ozbot: Can Bitcoin replace PayPal? - CNN.com
ThickAsThieves: "Traders don't want volatility in the currency that they are taking in."
pankkake: the answser is WRONG QUESTION
ThickAsThieves: yeah cuz people buy bitcoins hoping they dont go up
ozbot: Snoop Dogg tweets Coinbase and Bitpay : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "With my mind on my money and my money on my bitcoins."
ThickAsThieves: "Brain wallets are not a good way to secure your money."
pankkake: for a guy who smokes weed probably
thestringpuller: loose all your crypto wealth cause you smoked so much you forgot your brain wallet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.05 = 4 BTC
thestringpuller: !ticker h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.28377771 / 0.29229715 / 0.30493107 (182 shares, 53.19808195 BTC), 7D: 0.28377771 / 0.32705881 / 0.37300000 (1684 shares, 550.76704379 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.39790206 / 0.67999999 (7765 shares, 3089.70952185 BTC)
mircea_popescu: dexX7 is that the kslaughter of the famous activemining ?
dexX7: yes
pankkake: I don't think he has disclosed how much he pays the dev?
Duffer1: is he deving that ngccc?
mircea_popescu: funny. any someone is going to even look at that thing now ?
mircea_popescu: "use us, we employ scammers! it's great for bitcoin!"
mircea_popescu: at least coinbase has the sense to rape ex-respectable ppl a la gavin
zacm: And So It Begins. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/casascius/ Fincen shuts down Casascius Coin
mircea_popescu: zacm was here earlier and on teh grapevine for a coupla weeks yeah
kakobrekla: sell 1 cas coin for 10 btc
kakobrekla: oh i forgot ;;
zacm: wonder what all the people swooning over amazing senate hearings will have to say
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1040268619.58 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274513 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1678 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1040268619.58 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.52278
pankkake: http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ "Next difficulty (estimate): 940,372,575 (+4%)"
ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty: 908,350,862
pankkake: I want to believe!
mircea_popescu: it could easily go either way imo
dexX7: hashfast seems to be almost ready to ship
pankkake: because they did show an empty case at a conference?
mircea_popescu: get out of here, ready to ship, so it takes a week if they ship today. too late.
Kleeck: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 1678 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5096% in 9d 23h 0m 5s
Kleeck: Too late for what? Do their machines not ROI?
Kleeck: (I haven't checked)
pankkake: too late for the bet
Kleeck: AH.
Kleeck: Link? Is it for them to ship before the end of the year?
pankkake: no the difficulty bet. biggest one, top of homepage :)
mircea_popescu: Kleeck for the bet,
Kleeck: I don't really frequent bitbet
mircea_popescu: we were talking of this 300 btc 1bn diff bet
Kleeck: oh right
Kleeck: seen some chatter about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14811 @ 0.00008 = 1.1849 BTC [-] {6}
Kleeck: So, we're not thinking it'll pass 1B before EOY?
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
mircea_popescu: it may, it may not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00286631 = 0.2866 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.002861 = 1.0157 BTC [-] {4}
Kleeck: A nail biter, for sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18318 @ 0.00009788 = 1.793 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.10361425 = 0.7253 BTC [+] {7}
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1040199420.32 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
thestringpuller: the last change estimate keeps going up, but past three days is very slim
thestringpuller: looks like hash rate is evening
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: thats wrong
thestringpuller: the hash rate?
thestringpuller: is there a better source?
ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
ThickAsThieves: the hashrate there shows for last 504 blocks
mircea_popescu: stimated Next Difficulty:1,149,826,024 (+26.58%)
mircea_popescu: ?! srsly ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who runs that site, do you know ?
ozbot: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts
ThickAsThieves: it's still a lil early to have an accurate number, but 338 blocks solved already since diffchange
ThickAsThieves: not looking good
thestringpuller: why you say that?
thestringpuller: "not looking good"
ThickAsThieves: cuz i bet on No
thestringpuller: biased are we?
ThickAsThieves: it's a bet
ThickAsThieves: of course i'm biased
thestringpuller: hegemony yoyo
thestringpuller: Someone needs to IPO Wu-Tang Financia
mircea_popescu: talk to wu-tang.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what do you get if you win that one, 200ish ?
mircea_popescu: so like...a house.
ThickAsThieves: i have an early bet on Yes too
mircea_popescu: or w/e, a small slice of pizza.
thestringpuller: just ddos a mining pool
thestringpuller: for a day
thestringpuller: totally worth it
pankkake: but how much would that cost?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
mircea_popescu: or hire gavin and make him commit a fork
mircea_popescu: no wait, that wouldn't do anything.
pankkake: you could bribe friedcat too
mircea_popescu: har har.
ThickAsThieves: I'll have to wait like everyone else
ThickAsThieves: and then when it starts looking like No, some schlub will throw 500btc on it
pankkake: the Yesses don't stop coming, I don't really get why
mircea_popescu: pankkake gotta make that 7% a week somehow.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was thinking, if there's a sudden hickup in the hashing there's going to be such a run to cover the world has never seen
pankkake: 7% or -100% with a pretty good change of the latter. that's some shitty gambling odds!
mircea_popescu: pankkake shhh, you don't understand forum investing.
pankkake: I do, I made a comment to encourage Yes votes! :p
mircea_popescu: yes on this bet is actually a better "investment" than everything they do over btctalk/reddit/etc.
ThickAsThieves: reminds me of a point i made to the board
ThickAsThieves: one benefit of being an AM franchise,
ThickAsThieves: is not having to buy the hardware
ThickAsThieves: you must submit AM shares as collateral
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11289999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: if they are plummeting in value
jcpham: double litecoin price rocket inbound
jcpham: much facedesk
pankkake: ltc on gox?
pankkake: ltc on china?
pankkake: ltc on moon?
jcpham: 2 weeks!
mircea_popescu: ltc on the moon!
mircea_popescu: is because i write gramatically correct uncapitalised irc lines
mircea_popescu: unlike frenchie here.
ThickAsThieves: are you trying to turn this into btce trollbox
ThickAsThieves: or do you have news
pankkake: it was intentionnal
ThickAsThieves: fly chikun !
ozbot: Twitter / chijs: BTC China comment implies they'll ...
jcpham: baseless rumor
jcpham: accusations
pankkake: oh… I've seen that one already
mircea_popescu: jcpham so may i suggest reddit ?
jcpham: yay
mircea_popescu: that's where newfags dump the stale filler.
pankkake: > implying is what gox does too
ThickAsThieves: i thought LTC just mimics BTC now?
ozbot: BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8881 @ 0.00089524 = 7.9506 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: whats up with the Google Glass bet?
jurov: noone wants teh cardanos
pankkake: pretty good for a delivery bet with no preorder
mircea_popescu: jurov you been pumping it enough ?
ThickAsThieves: do you need more proof?
jcpham: mircea_popescu did you get any new rota signs ups or did you successfully frighten everyone away
mircea_popescu: jcpham according to people i know i'm fucking scary.
jurov: mircea_popescu: NSA should stir some hype, not just me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one was this ?
ThickAsThieves: hey wait wht hasnt NSA put 50btc on delivering?
jcpham: bleh
ozbot: BitBet - Google Glasses will be delivered before the end of 2013
ThickAsThieves: I got my Glass 1 day after I ordered it
mircea_popescu: well it hasn't actually delivered to customers has it.
jcpham: google glass is a myth
ThickAsThieves: I am a customer
mircea_popescu: you got one ?
mircea_popescu: pics etc ?
ThickAsThieves: if you require, sure
jcpham: can i bet now!
mircea_popescu: well it's not been able to be verified so far.
jcpham: that's an old bet
jcpham: wtf i've seen them
mircea_popescu: jcpham seen != delivered tio customers.
pankkake: many people blogged about theirs
mircea_popescu: devs had freebies to play around for a while
mircea_popescu: pankkake link ?
jcpham: prior to disassociating from the socialnets i knew multiple verified parties
jcpham: 2 for sale in -otc now
ozbot: Errata Security: I survived Google's re-education camp
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308675.0 no one there gives a fuck, nor on reddit... or do you advertise elsewhere?
ozbot: [Update] Spec announced for the Cardano, S.NSA's first product
mircea_popescu: "Google wasn't just going to ship the devices to us bloggers and figure things out for ourselves."
mircea_popescu: not a customer dude. review copies aren't it.
jcpham: no that's what they did
jcpham: they shipped a half finished procut
jcpham: *product
jcpham: updates through play store obv
pankkake: oh, you mean like retail
jcpham: remember android 1 was a full OS with a lot of apps
jcpham: android 4 is bare and everything through play
mircea_popescu: jurov we talking the bet or the product ?
jurov: about the product
mircea_popescu: we don't advertise a product that isn't yet orderable, no.
jcpham: thev'ye changed their "final product" in recent years
mircea_popescu: this would be part of being fucking sane in the head.
ThickAsThieves: making pics hold on
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you actually buy the thing ?
jurov: hm, should have considered it before placing he bet
ThickAsThieves: I ordered mine and they came i 1 day, was also able to order accessories and choose color
mircea_popescu: a splendid then. make it good.
jcpham: it's legit afaik
jcpham: they delivered the product and opened it up to more than just devs
jcpham: like he said, colors and accessories
asciilifeform: 'what, stereo vision? i wasn't really using that for anything!'
jcpham: not a *whole lot* of functionality but they can always update the functionality through play store
jcpham: play store has your whole device
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: got one more showing more of the packaging
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27110 @ 0.0001107 = 3.0011 BTC [+] {15}
ThickAsThieves: the shades are removable
ThickAsThieves: but i still must wear contacts to use em
ThickAsThieves: which I have barely done yet
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: I find it weird that they ignored people having glasses already. I mean, that's a lot of nerds
jcpham: can you watch porn on it or not
ThickAsThieves: i'll let you know
jcpham: lololol
ThickAsThieves: first observation is that having the video on in any way destroys battery life
asciilifeform: jcpham: you can watch film on the $100 chinese hmd that's been around for years. the point of google's was ostensibly a display with svga res that you could actually read text on
kanzure: google glass sdk is pretty lame
asciilifeform: that isn't made by Boeing and doesn't cost $100k
jcpham: oh text
ThickAsThieves: i need a bitcoin ticker app
kanzure: straight into your eyeball?
ThickAsThieves: as all seen things
kanzure: intense
asciilifeform: still waiting to see how google's hmd stacks up against my 'p4'
ThickAsThieves: the first time you put them on, you realize how embarassing they really are
deadweasel: i realized that the first time I saw one.
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: OH GOD
Diablo-D3: ITS A SCOUTER
mircea_popescu: well... most people don't have the brainpower that'd allow them to walk and chew at the same time
mircea_popescu: clearly handling an eyepatch is not for the masses.
asciilifeform: what's SCOUTER
Diablo-D3: VEGITA, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL
mircea_popescu: the original over 9000 device ?
pankkake: incidentally, S.MPOE is approaching that level
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087288 / 0.00088257 / 0.00089634 (300146 shares, 264.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00078101 / 0.00085397 / 0.00089634 (3403278 shares, 2,906.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082916 / 0.00089634 (8091783 shares, 6,709.42 BTC)
mircea_popescu: 90 thousand, son.
mircea_popescu: over 9 times better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: damn, never even heard of the '9000' thing before today. clearly i should spend more time reading memes and less maths...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00089739 = 0.2692 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: or playing very old arcade games
jcpham: or watching dbz
nubbins`: or watching three episodes of MST3k at once
nubbins`: not sure the human brain can handle that sort of abuse tho
nubbins`: OH HEY!
nubbins`: heh, you actually gave me a bit of a start then.
ozbot: U.S. Government Nastygram Shuts Down One-Man Bitcoin Mint | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
peterL: is jurov around?
jurov: yes?
peterL: just wondering if you planned on lowering the coinBR fees again since the price of bitcoin went up 5x since you set the current fees?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.05 = 1.65 BTC
jurov: peterL: No
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2074 @ 0.001 = 2.074 BTC {5}
nubbins`: my plan is to skulk around until i figure out a way to cajole or barter my way into a free account on coinbr or mpex
nubbins`: realistically neither will happen, likely because the coinbr fee is so low and the mpex fee is so high :D
jurov: nubbins`: actually its no biggie
peterL: oh ok. I must say I really like CoinBR, good job making that run.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2100 @ 0.001 = 2.1 BTC {4}
jurov: just find anyone who has nwmworld's passthroughs from bf
jurov: convince them to import them to your account
jurov: and you have free acct until January 1 + 1 free withdrawal
nubbins`: oh really!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 32104 @ 0.001 = 32.104 BTC {4}
nubbins`: no rush either way, i can't redeem my s.mg stock warrant until mid-january anyway, and will likely sit on it long past that date
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.001 = 0.115 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3580 @ 0.001 = 3.58 BTC
nubbins`: suing the government is an interesting thing
nubbins`: i mean
nubbins`: it doesn't affect the government, as an entity, at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC {2}
nubbins`: given a population P, and a subset C who file a class-action lawsuit against the government
nubbins`: (whom we'll call G)
nubbins`: it just funnels money from (P-C) directly to C, because of some activity or lack thereof on the part of G
nubbins`: doesn't really give G any incentive to not fuck up, does it?
kanzure: ThickAsThieves: yeah but nobody is able to get a P4 these days
kanzure: ThickAsThieves: where'd you find one?
pigeons: i have a a few pentium 4's left if you would like one
the20year: Sure you can find em
kanzure: pigeons: not the same
nubbins`: [1:37pm] jcpham: if only i could pay people to blog in dogecoin
nubbins`: [1:37pm] stqism: much doge, many posts
nubbins`: [1:37pm] jcpham: such scrypt
nubbins`: it's... it's taking over
asciilifeform: kanzure: ebay. some time in '04.
ThickAsThieves: i have no P4
pigeons: what's that diseas you get, is it cauliflower ear from wearing nasty foam headbands like that
nubbins`: cauliflower ear is from getting hit in the ears too much
nubbins`: like boxers
nubbins`: not a disease, just ruptured cartilage
ThickAsThieves: zitbrow, I think it's called
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9793 @ 0.001 = 9.793 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: that foam began to rot into dust long ago.
nubbins`: "check out my cool new red headband! ZITBROW!"
ThickAsThieves: no pain no gain!
nubbins`: you can actually see bits of foam all over the table in that picture.
asciilifeform: the widget itself still works just as it ought to.
asciilifeform: (even though there are moving parts inside!)
asciilifeform: it buzzes slightly. vibrating mirror.
mircea_popescu: what is the coinbr fee these days ?
jurov: 0.019/mo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9980 @ 0.001 = 9.98 BTC
ozbot: Intel Pentium 4 2 4 GHz Bx80532pe2400dsl6sh Processor 0735858153720 | eBay
asciilifeform: thought about selling it, but who would want it.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> doesn't really give G any incentive to not fuck up, does it? << exactly right.
asciilifeform: the20year: i think he was asking about the ancient monocle display, rather than pentium 4
nubbins`: "you mean we can do what we want and the plebs will bear the brunt of our poor choices? great! let's vote ourselves a pay increase!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2131 @ 0.001 = 2.131 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17869 @ 0.001 = 17.869 BTC
pigeons: p4 aka zitbrower
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2940125 = 2.3521 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
asciilifeform: pigeons: you will get headache from the monocle long before the foam sticks to your head.
pigeons: that's sad. i liked the virtual boy i got use out of it before the headaches. and i kind of liked the headaches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: pigeons: funnily, the only game console i've ever bought was virtual boy. to tear apart for the optics, when trying to build a binocular version of the p4.
pigeons: oh neat
Kleeck: pigeons! I had a VirtualBoy as well! MarioTennis was awesome.
kanzure: has someone written a usable os for google glass yet? e.g. something to bring up a shell
asciilifeform: not so neat. turned a perfectly good machine into an envelope full of parts that will never work again...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4003 @ 0.001 = 4.003 BTC {4}
pigeons: hackcanada who were later accused of being Tom Williams/mybitcoin had virtualboy hacking project that was fun read
asciilifeform: i thought 'glass' was just a peripheral for the 'android phone' ?
asciilifeform: you could probably write arbitrary pixels to it easily enough
kanzure: well it runs linux so people can just flash whatever they want on it i assume
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 95898 @ 0.001 = 95.898 BTC {2}
kanzure: android-linux i mean
nubbins`: i recall seeing a virtual boy set up on a counter in a department store the day i bought super mario 3
nubbins`: we were on family vacation, driving through the usa
nubbins`: and i had to spend two goddamn weeks reading the instruction manual for that game before i could play it
asciilifeform: glass: 640×360. pitiful.
nubbins`: pure torture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
nubbins`: wait, no, the years are all wrong for that
nubbins`: maybe it was a game boy.
nubbins`: anyway, i do recall trying out a virtual boy in a store
nubbins`: and it made my brain feel weird
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17905 @ 0.001 = 17.905 BTC
asciilifeform: i actually wore a 3d visor for work, some years ago, for a rather long time. you get used to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i recall correctly the actual retina resolution one inchfrom the eye is something like 6k x 5k or so ?
asciilifeform: 2d cursor gets annoying though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1023 @ 0.001 = 1.023 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: about right.
pigeons: here it is, althought i never understood the mybitcoin accusation other than knowing shane smith of niamianogold http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/k_1ine/K-1ine_34.txt
asciilifeform: although you have to account for most of the 'pixels' being around the center.
mircea_popescu: i wonder which happens first : glass at 6k dpi or neural interfacing
asciilifeform: 6k 'glass' already happened, in the '90s. it just isn't priced for humans.
mircea_popescu: neural intefacing also already happened in that sense
mircea_popescu: for that matter, cellphones happened in the 60s
asciilifeform: afaik state of the art neural is 'brain joystick' for wheelchair
asciilifeform: and that 100 pixel 'eye' for the blind
nubbins`: meh, just attach an iphone to a headband.
the20year: They had 2 meter radio to phone interfaces in the 50s
nubbins`: super high res, use the back camera to provide a passthru so you can walk while using it
nubbins`: front camera tracks eye movement
asciilifeform: the real 'magic' in modern cell phone isn't the miniature handset, but the phased array antennae on the stations.
asciilifeform: descended from cold war era 'pyramid' radars in the arctic.
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
the20year: I don't understand how that's magic
nubbins`: go read up on antenna theory, then
asciilifeform: the20year: without phased array, you can't have anything like the subscriber density of today
the20year: I had to to get my radio license
the20year: I still don't see how it's magic
asciilifeform: essentially you 'move' and 'rotate' an antenna without actually moving anything
mircea_popescu: the20year it's one thing to make one connection work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2136 @ 0.00009026 = 0.1928 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.28397253 = 17.0384 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.001 = 0.18 BTC
nubbins`: sorry, i'm just being saucy
mircea_popescu: it's another to support a city during mother's day
asciilifeform: trunked rf 'telephone' existed in the '40s even.
the20year: And my local network still goes down every year during large festivals
asciilifeform: and slightly later, even in the ussr. but for top bosses only.
asciilifeform: a few dozen handsets per city.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1304 @ 0.001 = 1.304 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lolphonograph they had on a ship during ww2 ?
mircea_popescu: so churchill and eisenhower could chat ?
asciilifeform: SIGSALY? department store basement, rather than ship, afaik
asciilifeform: one time pad on vinyl.
asciilifeform: vacuum valve (!) modem and CODECs!
the20year: The earliest one i've seen photos of were the USSR radio/telephone setups
nubbins`: one time pad on vinyl!!
the20year: I know though later in the 50s the US had a consumer model, well , sort of consumer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.04999979 = 0.65 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 11970 @ 0.001 = 11.97 BTC
nubbins`: imagine scratching that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "One was installed in a ship and followed General Douglas MacArthur during his South Pacific campaigns. In total during WW2, the system supported about 3,000 high-level telephone conferences."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 92 @ 0.0077 = 0.7084 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: the folks who built these were laid off, and a decade later, popular cell phones.
thestringpuller: people are actually buying SFI?!?!?!?!?
thestringpuller: that's worse than going bearish on the market
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller all this btc noobs keep buying for fiat has to return to sane hands somehow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i imagine quite a bit of it goes to scrapyards, with old hard disks. and to malware artists.
asciilifeform: encrypted wallet on a winblows machine might as well be plaintext.
asciilifeform: (artist patches exe so the very next transaction is, instead of X btc to addr Y, 'everything in wallet to addr Z.')
nubbins`: the best part about leaving windows behind is being able to say "sorry, i don't know anything about that shit" when asked to troubleshoot computer problems for family members
asciilifeform: can't wait until somebody starts selling 'magic' miners that diddle the system bus to make this happen.
asciilifeform: how many people buying graphics cards for ltc mining have disassembled the firmware...
the20year: That sigsaly article is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: i can't wait until the first malicious fake trezors hit the streets.
asciilifeform: wat's a trezor
ozbot: TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe
nubbins`: hardware wallet
nubbins`: that you're supposed to plug into the POS at the store you're visiting
asciilifeform: "For the love of God, Montrezor!"
nubbins`: and the store is supposed to just plug it in
ozbot: The Cask of Amontillado
asciilifeform: was my first thought
nubbins`: even though it's a goddamn HID device
nubbins`: i mean, a goddamn HID
nubbins`: so essentially it's like plugging a keyboard into the cash register
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.001 = 0.369 BTC
asciilifeform: phun phact: the barcode readers in many cash registers emulate standard HID keyboard.
nubbins`: great 'cos no drivers needed
nubbins`: ungreat 'cos it's a HID.
nubbins`: go to a store and say "hey, can i just plug this keyboard into your POS and type a bunch of commands in? i'll only be like half an hour"
nubbins`: see what the manager says
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol that's what i thought too, when i first heard of it.
asciilifeform: hid isn't even the end of the story. you could probably slurp a bit of key via diff. power analysis if you attach.
mircea_popescu: clearly our reading is inadequate for the needs of contemporaneous english speakers.
asciilifeform: 'didn't your mother teach you not to hook strangers to your DC supply rail?'
nubbins`: i should design a trezor-looking HID that, when connected, sends "[windows-r], www.mydomain.com/horsedick.avi, [enter]"
nubbins`: to the host computer
nubbins`: maybe followed by an [F11] for good measure
nubbins`: is there a keyboard shortcut for volume?
mircea_popescu: chocolate dipped figs! yum!
nubbins`: hm, usatoday.com has a btc logo in their header
mircea_popescu: yeah we covered it :D
nubbins`: oh and hey
ozbot: Added some DoS limits, removed safe mode (0.3.19)
nubbins`: satoshi's last post
nubbins`: 3 years ago today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00290454 = 0.1597 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2810 @ 0.001 = 2.81 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.28015829 = 5.6032 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 119 @ 0.001 = 0.119 BTC
thestringpuller: IN SATOSHI WE TRUST
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 867.59095, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.40905, Last trade: 861.25001, 24 hour volume: 12139.28764678, 24 hour low: 839.5, 24 hour high: 941.0, 24 hour vwap: 886.66919
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 33179748.9231 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.1797 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1238 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 32207763.4100 USD and would take the last price down to 43.5700 USD, resulting in an average price of 322.0776 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 5.2789 seconds
nubbins`: any of you guys own any casascius coins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00285862 = 0.2859 BTC [-] {5}
the20year: nope
the20year: i wonder how many fakes there are out there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC
deadweasel: they're fixin' to double in value again.
mircea_popescu: probably lots
mircea_popescu: they weren't hard to fake afaik
dexX7: i heard that there are some cheap already redeemed casascius coins on ebay
the20year: no way to tell it hasn't been redeemed before you buy, is there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
deadweasel: if it's not sweet, it's not real.
nubbins`: the20year: well there's a security hologram
nubbins`: very difficult to reapply once removed
dexX7: haha i was just poking nubbins
TomServo: Pretty sure the hologram was proved to be crackable at Defcon this year
nubbins`: dexX7: there's actually a market for reeeemed once
nubbins`: *ones
nubbins`: they fetch around $150
dexX7: :p
nubbins`: TomServo: they left only minimal signs of tampering
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
benkay: analog bitcoins
benkay: lel
nubbins`: what can i say, i'm a sucker for pretty metal
nubbins`: and also
ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog
nubbins`: there literally are chocolate bitcoins on ebay
dexX7: lol
ozbot: 3 Bitcoin Chocolate Gold Foil Coins NO BTC Value Casascius $1 Liberty Coin Bonus | eBay
nubbins`: actually not a bad gift idea
the20year: nice
deadweasel: holy shit I wasn't kidding
dexX7: the video xD
dexX7: the line was interesting imho: "If he doesn’t verify or have a way of knowing whether the owner of the bitcoins is the same person he’s sending the coins to, that’s a problem ..."
benkay: giving bitcoins this way is just the most goddamn stupid idea
benkay: it's like trading wallets
benkay: or trying to sell an MPEx account
benkay: posesser of the keys is posesser of the goods
Bugpowder: Coinbase got a $25M Series B
benkay: on the topic of greater fool theory, the fundamental principle underlying these physical coins and the entire fartup circuit
TomServo: ozbot: what gives?
nubbins`: dexX7: seems like a roundabout way of laundering. why not just send the raw btc? :P
dexX7: because there is no direct link between the coins
dexX7: btct for example was an awesome way to launder coins
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder yeah it was here earlier.
Bugpowder: nice
Bugpowder: anyone know the valuation?
dexX7: same here.. insert coin A, get unrealted coin B out
dexX7: (besides the paper and shipping docs)
mircea_popescu: benkay honestly, it was a reasonably nice way to get people introduced to btc, back in 2011.
benkay: i suppose, at the cost of perpetuating idiot opsec.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone took it for more than that. caldwell was making a few cents here and there with it, but not worth his time
benkay: had to reprimand someone giving out printed wallets at a local btc event.
Bugpowder: I like the coins
mircea_popescu: take it as a publicity stunt, like getting a chick with a nice rack and a mean streak to stir the forum pot
Bugpowder: I have a bunch
benkay: "are you seriously displaying private keys in public?!"
Bugpowder: used to tip with them
Bugpowder: Mike did pretty well
Bugpowder: he made about 8000BTC I think
benkay: oh it's great i'm sure for mike and btc and everything except the whole idiots problem.
Bugpowder: Nice Cayanne turbo
nubbins`: lel @ mp
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder that's misrepresenting the thing. he'd have made 10 simply selling a pizza.
mircea_popescu: 8k simply reflects the fact that for most of the coin's life, the metal was worth more than the key.
nubbins`: ah, i suspect mike kept most of his profits in btc
nubbins`: minus living expenses, not sure if he held a day job
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the guy was a millionaire before btc.
nubbins`: ah yeah?
Bugpowder: But he was still making about 10% BTC profit on his sales up till he shut down.
nubbins`: well in that case he probably kept every satoshi, less minting costs
Bugpowder: its a lot easier to sell $80M worth of BTC than 80M worth of pizza from your house.
Bugpowder: His garage does not look like the garage of a millionaire
Bugpowder: except for the car.
benkay: a real millionaire would spend it all exhibiting the wealth, right?
ozbot: Most Expensive Thing You Bought With Bitcoin?
Bugpowder: A million goes a long way in utah
thestringpuller: wait casascius
Bugpowder: can't even get you a nice condo in LA
thestringpuller: is gone?
mircea_popescu: well a real us guy, at any rate.
Bugpowder: yes they have been gone since Nov 27th
thestringpuller: what happened to casascius coins?
deadweasel: they pulled the rug out. he's in the US.
deadweasel: MINTING MONEY
deadweasel: they no likey
Bugpowder: nobody paid attention when I posted it to reddit on the 28th. People needed a wired article to make it news.
thestringpuller: that's so fucking sad
thestringpuller: i knew he went to whole sale
thestringpuller: but cascius coins are the only "paper wallet" i really trust
the20year: Our average purchase price has been $45k for houses here in Ohio
thestringpuller: i guess I have a piece of history on my desk
deadweasel: hold it
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: wouldn't it be more logical to trust one you've filled personally?
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> nobody paid attention when I posted it to reddit on the 28th. People needed a wired article to make it news. << ridiculous, isn't it.
Bugpowder: I've got a roll of 50 in a safe deposit box.
Bugpowder: yah...
Bugpowder: Oh well. It's better to know news before others, generally.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder give us the depost box address too and it's all good eh.
the20year: now he needs to move to Canada to do it
asciilifeform: what's the appeal of the cas. coin?
mircea_popescu: the20year if he really wants to do it, south africa is probably a better place.
Bugpowder: you need the key and my ID yo.
asciilifeform: forging a hologram isn't exactly building a thermonuke
deadweasel: you can play with it. rub it on your nipples.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: No because I would be that guy who made a typo. Casascius is more competent than I in that regard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anal insertion is the only thing that comes to mind.
thestringpuller: he had double/triple audits when printing private keys
jcpham: if you use it anally it is no longer uncirculated fwiw
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder or an executive order.
asciilifeform: sd card (or rolled up printout) would be gentler on the rectum, i imagine, than a coin.
nubbins`: is there any actual record of someone purchasing freshly-minted coins from a pool?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing the point
jcpham: i have one of those spycoins
mircea_popescu: not shoving things up there would be even gentler.
jcpham: with micrsd
Bugpowder: hehehe… only with probable cause. The gold confiscation in the 30s is just an internet myth.
pigeons: fistical dogecoin
ozbot: Blank
Bugpowder: happened to one person in the course of a criminal investigation.
nubbins`: <benkay> a real millionaire would spend it all exhibiting the wealth, right?
Bugpowder: plenty of gold in that box too
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder methinks you got the history muddied up on that one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 58183 @ 0.001 = 58.183 BTC
nubbins`: ^ maybe the most lucid display of sarcasm i've seen in weeks
jcpham: check the radiopacity
Bugpowder: nubbins`: See example : Goat posting his lambo to 4chan
ozbot: Nazi brass cyanide container - SS marked
jcpham: i saw goat bragging
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: look it up.
nubbins`: hahah
pigeons: they didnt have to confiscate lots of it cause people brought it in but executive order said they had to
jcpham: in true goat style
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: who said they had a roll of cas coins?
nubbins`: ah, yes
asciilifeform: it's very easy - wanna open a bank safe box? there'll be a polizei watching, removing anything shiny and yellow, 'at fair market price.'
nubbins`: what sort?
Bugpowder: basically used to keep me from trading them.
ozbot: UEBERSEE FINANZ-KORPORATION, ETC. v. ROSEN | Leagle.com
Bugpowder: Got the 2013 brass
jcpham: +1 Bugpowder
nubbins`: gotcha
nubbins`: i've got some 0.5 brass
Bugpowder: thanks for link mircea_popescu
nubbins`: a few assorted silvers
Bugpowder: also have some 2011 brass with error
Bugpowder: a 2011 25
nubbins`: yeah, i've got one 2011 error
Bugpowder: and a 10BTC silver
ozbot: FindLaw | Cases and Codes
nubbins`: almost bought a 25 when they were selling for ~26-27 earlier this year
asciilifeform: 'spy-coins' shop would make a spiffy honeypot
pigeons: i thought he was trolling
asciilifeform: order the coin/fake bolt/etc. and your address is on The List (TM)
jcpham: "the list"
jcpham: they sell fake bolts
pigeons: or talk to someone old
jcpham: i missed that
asciilifeform: data storage is interesting from the 'what'll the polize do' standpoint
asciilifeform: are they gonna search the hundreds of 1980s EEPROMs in my junk boxes when i hang?
jcpham: didn't scroll fr enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
mircea_popescu: they like that, because they can apply for more salaries.
pigeons: but eeproms from the 80s will have bitrotted a bit
mircea_popescu: even more jobs are needed to iterate the alternatives. great news.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 310 @ 0.001 = 0.31 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: 'hiring! one fellow willing to desolder 500 roms from Sybolics Lisp Machine.'
nubbins`: 500 fellows
mircea_popescu: 500 fellows that went to desoldering school.
nubbins`: one rom each
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally they don't do anything to the roms.
mircea_popescu: making it a bigger problem whcih is more worthy of attention so more fellows can be hired.
pigeons: so cynical, eat your cheese
asciilifeform: wait till they catch someone burning goodies on CD-R and re-shrinkwrapping the sausage.
asciilifeform: suddenly no office supply warehouse is above suspicion.
mircea_popescu: excellent news comrade.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: My understanding of the law is based on the wikipedia page, which specifically says safety deposit boxes were not searched and seized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you should go visit some prison sometime.
mircea_popescu: find out the % of people whose residence is based on a wikipedia page.
mircea_popescu: that'll certainly be reddit-news, once you publish the SHOCKING results.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as in, the judge read pediwikia to them during sentencing?
mircea_popescu: anyway, was a case recently, some lawyer died and his fambly opened a box
mircea_popescu: found a few golden eagles
mircea_popescu: usg confiscated them.
pigeons: there was a good espidoe of boondocks the grandpa told the judge, "didnt obama legalize weed?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link?
mircea_popescu: eh where was it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.002969 = 0.7037 BTC [+]
benkay: can't be having those precious metals floating around
benkay: might engender a liquid market
ozbot: radiopacity
asciilifeform: at least they're honest.
pigeons: i picked fox cause you know, fair and balanced
Bugpowder: Your hedge fund client is using a retail checking account. Rather than use a business bank account, Madoff’s hedge fund put billions of dollars from thousands of investors into a retail account, and didn’t bother to segregate it with sub-accounts. His accounts “exhibited, on their face, a ‘glaring absence of securities activity.’”
asciilifeform: re: eagle coins: if i'm found with 'toyota' and no titles, receipts, etc. and a dealership whined about being short of exactly one such...
benkay: Bugpowder: link plox
pigeons: anyway you were allowed to keep gold jewelery and special collector coins, of which currently circulating gold coins were not
ozbot: Five signs your client may be running a Ponzi scheme – Quartz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except this was 80+ yeaers old.
pigeons: if you fear this is an internet rumor go to the physical archives of a library
mircea_popescu: if i were to confiscate all property with broken title that's 80+ eyars old, i would be able to pay for the us deficit maybe even 3-4 years
Bugpowder: "What's more, this absence of a paper trail speaks to criminal intent. If whoever took or exchanged the coins thought he was doing no wrong, we would expect to see some sort of documentation reflecting the transaction, especially considering how carefully and methodically the Mint accounted for the '33 Double Eagles."
asciilifeform: afaik they do this routinely with ww2-plunder art, etc
the20year: most realestate in the US has proper deed records
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you probably need an actual lawyer to tell you what a joke that is.
ThickAsThieves: ha i was just gonna quote that part
pigeons: the20year: um look again
mircea_popescu: the20year most realtors pretend this is the case, sure.
Bugpowder: my real estate has a nice deed record
the20year: And the title companies?
the20year: that issue million dollar policies on title clouds?
Bugpowder: Though only 50 years old
mircea_popescu: title companies understand how undisturbed possesion works.
mircea_popescu: as in, any case over a 80yo alleged "theft" is thrown out of court just like that
mircea_popescu: except of course if prosecuted by the all-corrupt usg.
benkay: all hail!
benkay: praises be!
pigeons: well think of the children
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder admittedly much easier to do in california and for new developments.
mircea_popescu: there are houses in this town that are 500+ years old and still inhabited.
Bugpowder: I'm sure new york is a mess too
Bugpowder: or boston
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
mircea_popescu: or even sf.
Bugpowder: but why live in those shitholes?
mircea_popescu: because we don't like modern man.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.002969 = 0.288 BTC [+]
benkay: wait how does that work you have to experience so much modern man in those urban areas
mircea_popescu: yeah but at least in the company of 1800s brownstone you can pretend all that grub is just going to go away
ThickAsThieves: This guy understands there's a fee to move shares to Havelock, but not to move shares out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3936404#msg3936404
ThickAsThieves: and he wants to know MY logic
benkay: man i'm trying to make shit-hitting-the-fan hedges but i think that even small towns that are nominally self-sufficient in this country are so tightly coupled to the rest of the country that they'll devolve into chaos too
benkay: wat dooooo
mircea_popescu: benkay go to rhodesia.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00296998 = 0.1455 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Buy as landfill as it is being capped if you must stay in the US. Keep the fencing and signage though.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect i won't have time to get out of the country.
mircea_popescu: depends when you leave.
the20year: Eh , rural areas should do ok
the20year: As long as it's a growable season
mircea_popescu: the20year fun fact : other than berlin, the most rapes per german cunt happened in the countryside.
the20year: My county has enough food during the spring/summer/fall to be well more than self sufficient
the20year: During ww2 or currently?
mircea_popescu: ww2 certes.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to suck as much fiat into btc with overpriced us programmery hours as i can
the20year: I'm sure a good deal of it was in the stutenland and danzid corridor
benkay: mircea_popescu: i don't have the luxury to let my money make more money
mircea_popescu: you can only code from inside the us ?!
mircea_popescu: what's this, porn programming ?
benkay: the biz network that i leverage for work is in the us
mircea_popescu: and you talk to them in person ?
benkay: generally. sales is kinda high-touch it turns out!
asciilifeform: the hard part, as always, isn't the plane/boat ticket, but the destination. most of south america was wide open to ww2 refugees; few went.
mircea_popescu: benkay well that sucks.
benkay: mircea_popescu: how about a robo-crossbow?
benkay: constructs a 3d model of its environment and self trains to put a bolt through any xyz triple
benkay: asciilifeform: but on a turret and with some ml
asciilifeform: no need for fancy and new maths, a consumer digital camera chipset would probably suffice.
asciilifeform: the ones which highlight faces.
benkay: and assume straight line bolt trajectory?
asciilifeform: for short range, sure
asciilifeform: 'don't click until you see the whites of their eyes.'
mircea_popescu: we should throw some coins in a jar
mircea_popescu: to finance a "predict path of bitcoin-assets conversation" computing project
asciilifeform: use a consumer 'security camera' xyz gimball for the turret.
asciilifeform: they come with convenient logic-level inputs for steering.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1399 @ 0.001 = 1.399 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29999052 = 2.0999 BTC [+] {4}
Bugpowder: Holy 30-yr fixed Jumbo!
Bugpowder: up to 4.5%
Bugpowder: locked a few weeks ago at 3.875
Bugpowder: that is going to put a damper on the housing buble.
asciilifeform: know what'll put a real damper on 'housing bubble' ?
asciilifeform: when the mechanisms used to keep the tens of 1000s of empty foreclosed boxes empty collapse.
Bugpowder: heheh, I don't care about that market.
asciilifeform: think from a different angle:
Bugpowder: just burn down palmdale and start over
asciilifeform: at some point it will be cheaper to pay a paramilitary squad to defend you than to pay the paper 'owner.'
Bugpowder: sorry, I think it reality terms.
Bugpowder: not bug out fantasy terms
asciilifeform: Bugpowder: reality is sometimes made of paper, sometimes of other materials
asciilifeform: in the '90s ussr, it transitioned from paper to 'other.'
asciilifeform: history, rather than fantastics.
benkay: daha
benkay: it was either that or find themselves seriously in the hole ten years from now due to not actually buying the underlying.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I was surprised by that fidelity thing that it hadn't driven the market up higher…. guess we know why. One person did it and Second Market oversold it.
ozbot: Bitcoin to Cash Hacked
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder alternatively, second market is persevering in this "we shall ignore the market and expect to matter".
mircea_popescu: but all's good, one day they eventualyl find irc etc.
mircea_popescu: or not, i guess. all the same.
Bugpowder: I hear teppy moved some of his stack
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: god that fake dt ipo
asciilifeform: 'This week a cluster of VPS that i have been using... ...has been compromised.'
asciilifeform: anybody notice how quickly the discussion of 'where the hell do you get entropy on a VPS' began and ended?
Bugpowder: dude has a lot of coins
Bugpowder: 100k+
asciilifeform: the 'mobile phone miner' thing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358242.0) is based on an easy mistake
asciilifeform: many consumer widgets do indeed come with silicon that computes sha hash
asciilifeform: just not particularly quickly.
asciilifeform: (search 'digikey' or your favourite local equivalent for crypto accelerators, you'll find plenty)
asciilifeform: some costing just a dollar or two. but they won't make you rich.
benkay: yes but derp
asciilifeform: derp-powered machinery is mighty indeed.
benkay: bitcoin runs on derp
asciilifeform: (who wants to build an electron spin-valve machine? don't forget to market it as 'derp.')
benkay: so quantum
benkay: much sorcery
asciilifeform: spin valve exists, used in your disk read head.
benkay: much engineer
asciilifeform: but it was hyped as 'cpu of the phootoor!' in the '90s.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6945 @ 0.001 = 6.945 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.001 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1891 @ 0.001 = 1.891 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00284506 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: phun phact: 'trezor' machine uses vendor's on-chip TRNG.
asciilifeform: who suspected!
TomServo: asciilifeform: curious of your thoughts on this: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.1148v2
asciilifeform: "For the love of God, Montrezor!"
TomServo: (or anyone's)
asciilifeform: i kept waiting and waiting for the modern internet crackpot community to pick up 'scalar waves!' and 'torsional waves' crap from the '90s
asciilifeform: or about the same time
asciilifeform: then the 'copehagen' QM people finally succeed in resurrecting Vitalism and making the crock of shit mandatory for physics students!
asciilifeform: *copenhagen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 434 @ 0.001 = 0.434 BTC
asciilifeform: the leper's bell rings. you can only get results like this if you whiten with PRNG.
asciilifeform: (or even straight PRNG.)
asciilifeform: try it yourself.
BingoBoingo: The greatest complaint some people have about their fellow man is that they are worthless waterbags interfering with the television signal
thestringpuller: the trezor only uses PRNG?
thestringpuller: and they call it secure?
thestringpuller: looks like the cardano will be more secure if used as a wallet than the trezor...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we don't know this as an established fact
asciilifeform: but the stats suggest it.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: using a geiger counter for rng?
asciilifeform: for anyone who doesn't know, cardano is not a wallet.
thestringpuller: cardano is for storing any private keys securely
asciilifeform: not any. cardano's.
asciilifeform: very specific purpose.
asciilifeform: though i suppose you could write arbitrary files to the slate.
asciilifeform: with keys, or lolcats, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5233 @ 0.001 = 5.233 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28100001 = 0.843 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: but these will be readable to the attached machine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.281 = 0.843 BTC [-]
jurov: slush's take on the prng
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.28001504 = 11.2006 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2771 = 2.771 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Now the Trezor is fully deterministic device...'
asciilifeform: presumably this includes the signature nonces?
mircea_popescu: their spec is uniquely obscure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2770007 = 0.554 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so nobody really has a clue what includes what and what anything said means.
asciilifeform: why would anyone buy a cat-in-a-sack wallet machine ?
asciilifeform: at least with pc you can get pwned for free.
mircea_popescu: you may not be aware of this, but 90% of the people owning ANY bitcoin actually do not have any idea what it is they own.
mircea_popescu: it may amount to less than 1% btc in circulation, but still.
thestringpuller: that's like people who download firefox
thestringpuller: and don't know they can checkout the sourcecode
mircea_popescu: or chrome.
thestringpuller: people who own mac with OS X can go their whole lives owning the machine and not knowing there is a terminal
asciilifeform: anybody here get hold of a 'trezor' and pick it apart?
thestringpuller: i'd buy one just to see that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7914 @ 0.00089976 = 7.1207 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: just like the exploit with the casascius coin at defcon
asciilifeform: casascius just begs to be pwned
asciilifeform: holograms aren't magic, people
thestringpuller: yet that's what most paperwallets use
thestringpuller: looks like paper wallets are insecure by default?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: holograms? i thought most 'paper wallets' are simply strips of paper crammed into 'arse safes'
thestringpuller: only good as a medium of storage and not exchange
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: some people will put a hologram over the private key space on paper wallets to "secure" them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not delivered yet afauik
asciilifeform: a hologram that you buy, right.
asciilifeform: from a warehouse with 10,000 of them.
thestringpuller: soooo secure
thestringpuller: like a bank :P
asciilifeform: all quite identical.
asciilifeform: why not put some 'scotch' tape over it.
asciilifeform: same effect.
jurov: i have seen only trezor prototype board, to be delivered in 2 weeks
thestringpuller: as I said you can likley debase paperwallets if used for exchange
thestringpuller: but for personal use as a medium of storage you can def bury it in your yard
thestringpuller: and it's secure in that sense
asciilifeform: you can also bury a vacuum-sealed sheet of paper.
asciilifeform: no peculiar hardware needed.
thestringpuller: the whole "secure" paper wallet fad is dumb imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 19999 @ 0.001 = 19.999 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: required reading for 'seal' aficionados:
thestringpuller: im on a terminal, what's the abstract?
asciilifeform: actually, that's the wrong link
asciilifeform: R. Anderson. 'Security Engineering', 2nd ed; ch. 14: 'security printing and seals.'
asciilifeform: (short version: seals that one buys from somewhere are of strictly ceremonial value.)
asciilifeform: recall the rifle shell sawed in half from ww2 partizan movies
asciilifeform: two spies meet, and match up the pieces
asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00281 = 0.281 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
asciilifeform: someone could make good money selling a means of melting a glass rod over a (recessed) screw head and then breaking it.
asciilifeform: perhaps a miniature induction heater.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
ozbot: The NSA is Coming to Town - YouTube
ozbot: Sriracha shipments stopped until mid-January by health department | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: why the squeeze on sriracha dude?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 217 @ 0.00209792 = 0.4552 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 72 @ 0.002 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: essential chili ingredient
ozbot: NYC testing lasers that detect when people fall onto subway tracks | The Verge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27500001 BTC [-]
dub: fricken lazors
ThickAsThieves: next version lazers will be lethal
ThickAsThieves: save everyone the trouble
ThickAsThieves: EXTERMINATE!
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: yeah, why bother with cheap and effective solution costing pennies (big red 'stop' buttons on walls, guaranteed jail for false alarms)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.275002 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: hell, put then on the track bed.
ThickAsThieves: our make the tracks bouncey
ThickAsThieves: problem slved
ThickAsThieves: dont newer terminals now have a wall between tracks and waiting area?
ThickAsThieves: like in airports
asciilifeform: afaik in some countries they have expensive retractable cages between the tracks and the waiting area
dub: proximity alarms are not new, seems like a reasonable effort
asciilifeform: why no one simply puts fire alarm-style switches on the track bed wall, is beyond me.
dub: we know that humans are unlikely to hit the button unless its someone they care about on the tracks
dub: most wont look up from their ipad
asciilifeform: no, the victim pushes.
asciilifeform: twist'n'press knob, same kind found on industrial tools
ThickAsThieves: what if he cant make it to the knob?
ThickAsThieves: or he is a child
asciilifeform: what if he broke his neck falling? tough luck
asciilifeform: 'who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open'
ThickAsThieves: pressure-sensitive floor
dub: presumably the lasers are cheaper
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: ever actually been to a subway station? there's probably a man's weight of dead vermin, garbage, etc. per square meter.
mike_c: and live vermin.
asciilifeform: naturally.
ThickAsThieves: you only put the panels in exposed areas to public,
ThickAsThieves: with like 25lb
ThickAsThieves: sensitivity
ThickAsThieves: sorry, babies and puppies
dub: because lasers will be orders of magnitude cheaper
asciilifeform: it is still interesting that most cities have no ready means of going from 'crowd sees a human in the pit' to 'trains stop'
ThickAsThieves: i still think walls are the answer
asciilifeform: 'if you see a man drowning, and there you are, with a camera, what shutter and aperture settings will you use?'
mike_c: subway death / subway passengers < car death / car passengers
mike_c: why waste money?
ThickAsThieves: well build walls when you byuild the place
asciilifeform: mike_c: esp. if you subtract the folks who were trying to get run over
mike_c: and track workers, which is most of the deaths
dub: they are probably illegals anywy
dub: need to feed the vermin something
asciilifeform: afaik, this is less - but still quite - true for traffic death
mircea_popescu: i should dig up my pics from cairo central
ThickAsThieves: autodriving cars
mircea_popescu: where they had dug the pits about 1.5 meters deep
mircea_popescu: so people couldn't get in
mircea_popescu: and people got in
mircea_popescu: with kids. with packages.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
mircea_popescu: becauyse why not, imrite ?
dub: I'm sure the artist has worked here
asciilifeform: metro in many places rolls in recessed pits on stations
ozbot: Gmail will soon display images in your email by default | The Verge
asciilifeform: what's special about pits
ozbot: Bitcoin Foundation opens London office, announces Australia and Canada chapters | The Verge
asciilifeform: is 'casascius' an organ of 'the foundation'? if not, why does every media turd about bitcoin feature a photo of the coins?
mike_c: wow the gmail images. that's kind of cool, and will break all email tracking beacons.
ThickAsThieves: or comply with allowed ones
mike_c: well, theirs will still work of course. google analytics for email is the only working solution.
nubbins`: subways in seoul had mirrors across the pit, on the incoming side of all the tunnels
nubbins`: idea being that the train is fastest at that point, making it a favored jump spot
nubbins`: mirrors would cause some to second-guess
nubbins`: they were starting to roll out the suicide doors city-wide when i was there tho
asciilifeform: or simply build separate stations where jumping is officially permitted. hose them down daily.
mike_c: plus the rats would congregate there, leaving the rest cleaner
asciilifeform: tv cameras on the wall.
asciilifeform: my favourite fictional scenario of 'official suicide' is in brunner's 'stand on zanzibar'
asciilifeform: where you could pay to be publicly guillotined, burned at the stake, etc.
asciilifeform: 'attention whores' lined up.
mircea_popescu: the executioner should pay.
asciilifeform: pay. story was about a world crammed brimful of humans, mostly unworthy of even a public execution.
mircea_popescu: you get free service.
asciilifeform: and where smart people sabotaged infrastructure from mere boredom.
ozbot: TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe - news
asciilifeform: 'small and durable with no battery'
asciilifeform: 'never sends private keys to the computer'
asciilifeform: except when it runs...
asciilifeform: nobody ever heard of diff. power analysis?
asciilifeform: 'fully auditable software.' -- where?
asciilifeform: For the love of God, Montrezor!
asciilifeform: anybody else making 'wallet machines' ?
asciilifeform: or just these jokers
asciilifeform: https://github.com/trezor contains no source for the embedded micro, as far as i can see.
jurov: NSA published anything to github yet?
asciilifeform: jurov: will publish, with excruciatingly pedantic detail - when widget is sold.
asciilifeform: why would you even care to read it now
asciilifeform: how do the 'trezor' folks even get away with shipping the damn thing internationally without publishing source?
jurov: trezor isn't sold yet either
asciilifeform: afaik nobody cancelled the ancient law forbidding crypto export
jurov: ask slush
dub: probably fairly easy to ensure they dont
asciilifeform: but there's a bush-era loophole for published source
dub: anon call to whatever us customers gestapo is relevant
dub: customs* (kill me)
asciilifeform: wait, maybe trezor isn't u.s. based
nubbins`: it's not
asciilifeform: Czech. ok
jurov: asciilifeform: as i wrote several times here, it's made by slush & stick, czechoslovak dudes
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if there are no weird crypto laws there
mircea_popescu: well since it uses github... it arguably is eh
asciilifeform: wassenar convention, etc
jurov: and i'll forward this log to them with delight
jurov: i'm actually surprised you found out only now
jurov: about whole project
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm quite 'out of date' re: 'happenings in bitcoin universe'
asciilifeform: given that i don't, for the most part, live there
asciilifeform: jurov: if you know these fellows in person, do ask them why no source.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1924 @ 0.001 = 1.924 BTC {2}
jurov: iirc it will be released when it's done
asciilifeform: a bit old
asciilifeform: when was 'trezor' 1st announced?
jurov: at least in summer if not sooner
asciilifeform: interesting how they toured conventions, etc. for ages with no widget.
jurov: prolly they don't have mircea to show the The Right Way
jurov: *them
asciilifeform: i grew up reading about inventors, hucksters, etc. and i always thought it was obvious that you need a prototype to really wake people up
thestringpuller: unless the prototype blows up and kills everyone
jurov: they needed funding
thestringpuller: doesn't anyone remember dr. octavius?
asciilifeform: how much funding does one need to build a few keychain-sized boards
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what about asic prototypes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.001 = 0.202 BTC
asciilifeform: these aren't mining asics
jurov: idk... as i wrote, ask slush
asciilifeform: where you need $10M just to play
asciilifeform: per tape-out.
thestringpuller: i guess you can always just do FPGA
asciilifeform: 'trezor' appears to use a cheapo consumer ARM
asciilifeform: $5 or so in quantity, afaik
jurov: they sold preorders for 1 and 3 BTC each, end price is supposed to be $100
jurov: it has a display, too
assbot: 123!
asciilifeform: fairly straightforward 2-layer pcb
jurov: so what. do undercut them if you want
asciilifeform: looks like there are exactly three active components in there
asciilifeform: not counting display.
asciilifeform: the arm and two vregs.
asciilifeform: let the chinese undercut.
asciilifeform: imho the concept is brain-damaged.
asciilifeform: at least, as pictured.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.025 = 0.175 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: betcha the thing can be re-flashed via usb, too.
asciilifeform: (i see no pads for ROMs, jumpers, or other protection mechanisms in that photo.)
jurov: it's supposed to check the image signature before flashing
asciilifeform: 'it' being?
jurov: dunno really, just what i remembered from their talk
dub: worth a read, hilariouis
dub: However, despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery in betrayal of such profound trust and warmest paternal love shown by the party and the leader for him.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> they needed funding << right way eh.
nubbins`: However, despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery
mircea_popescu: this sounds like chinese/korean reeducation stuff
mircea_popescu: o nm. it is.
asciilifeform: these folks need to hire a translator.
nubbins`: recall some time ago i was explaining that being the son of a dog was a grave insult, then they just start throwing numbers in front of it?
nubbins`: "ten times son of a dog!" etc
asciilifeform: read the edicts of Ivan IV, etc
nubbins`: thrice-cursed acts!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 110 @ 0.001 = 0.11 BTC
mircea_popescu: son of over nine thousand pig impregnated bitches
asciilifeform: distinctly medieval style
nubbins`: srsly, people will read "thrice-cursed" and gasp 3x as hard
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the byzantines invented inflation, for all practical purposes
mircea_popescu: they didn't stop with the currency.
asciilifeform: as if imperial rome hadn't debased coins
mircea_popescu: there's a slight difference between rape and murder.
dub: mpoe-pr could have penned this, its great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
nubbins`: "we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: that part is so very romanian.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 750 @ 0.001 = 0.75 BTC
asciilifeform: i've always thought of 'FYM' as a slavic thing.
mircea_popescu: romanian influence in slavic culture :D
asciilifeform: just the arm.
mircea_popescu: check out how many times the "your mother" accusatuive is preceded by a fut form, and how many times by anything else.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00281001 = 0.1068 BTC [-]
mike_c: it would be awesome if you published a trezor hack with the cardano release.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is such a shark :D
asciilifeform: difficult, lacking a trezor
mike_c: excuses
asciilifeform: p. 22. sec. 3.13: boot modes.
asciilifeform: 'At startup, boot pins are used to select one out of three boot options: * Boot from user Flash * Boot from system memory * Boot from embedded SRAM'
Namworld: urgh... people are buying SFI on havelock?
asciilifeform: 'The boot loader is located in system memory. It is used to reprogram the Flash memory by
asciilifeform: using USART1 (PA9/PA10), USART3 (PC10/PC11 or PB10/PB11), CAN2 (PB5/PB13), USB
asciilifeform: OTG FS in Device mode (PA11/PA12) through DFU (device firmware upgrade).'
asciilifeform: if they set this up correctly: widget will be hard-wired to boot from 'boot rom' section of FW, which receives upgrade and calculates checksum and rsa sig.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 650 @ 0.001 = 0.65 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00089739 = 8.3457 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1221 @ 0.001 = 1.221 BTC
thestringpuller: I keep hearing footsteps baby, in the dark
thestringpuller: ;;google between the sheets
gribble: Isley Brothers - Between The Sheets - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glhdcJ7K3XM>; Between the Sheets: <http://www.betweenthesheetsinc.com/>; Between the Sheets (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_the_Sheets_(song)>
thestringpuller: ^- for you mr. mircea_popescu
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00088706 / 0.00089102 / 0.00090149 (138332 shares, 123.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00078101 / 0.00085548 / 0.00090149 (3357353 shares, 2,872.17 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082947 / 0.00090149 (8018791 shares, 6,651.36 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0006 / 0.0006 / 0.0006 (666 shares, 0.40 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00066638 / 0.00075 (47246 shares, 31.48 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 971 @ 0.00089739 = 0.8714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00297997 = 0.1043 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005001 = 2.5005 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.001 = 0.198 BTC
ozbot: Pete Rock -- PeteStrumentals (10th Anniversary Edition) CD1 - YouTube
dub: freddy foxx is the shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1362 @ 0.0005002 = 0.6813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 258 @ 0.00280603 = 0.724 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.05 = 2.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.001 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC
jurov: i'm falling in love with electrum, mostly its tinker-friendly python console
javanomad: ;;seen unbalanced
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 46 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <unbalanced> Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 45 @ 0.0023 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.26551429 = 7.4344 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.2614 = 7.842 BTC [-]
javanomad: ;;later tell unbalanced Thanks for letting me know the coffee made it! Many thanks.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: jurov the client ?
jurov: yea
Apocalyptic: jurov, sounds interesting, i fell in love with python already heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05 = 10 BTC
jurov: only bad thing is, if you don't have own electrum server (with its own hefty blockchain index)
jurov: then it lets your addresses known to the public el nodes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6300 @ 0.001 = 6.3 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
benkay: ya well one should have ones own copy of the blockchain let's be real here
mircea_popescu: a well i guess it has no other way to do it if you have no blockchain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2405 @ 0.00050998 = 1.2265 BTC [+] {7}
jurov: could be interesting to find out crypto protocol for blind tx filtering.. if that can bbe done at all
mircea_popescu: i dont see how
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.001 = 2.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.14799999 = 0.592 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00297998 = 0.2891 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0028514 = 0.2851 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090308 = 2.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00090593 = 4.3032 BTC [+]
benkay: it's over 9000!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17454 @ 0.001 = 17.454 BTC {2}
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1037354862.97 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00090604 = 4.2584 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Damien Rice & Melanie Laurent - Everything You're Not Supposed To Be - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 28 @ 0.0099 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 15186 @ 0.001 = 15.186 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28499997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 149 @ 0.001 = 0.149 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.265 = 0.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00090739 = 6.2156 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.119375 = 0.955 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00090798 = 11.4405 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10255 = 0.2051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00090698 = 9.877 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 497 @ 0.001 = 0.497 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16172 @ 0.00090866 = 14.6948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3026 @ 0.00090377 = 2.7348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4874 @ 0.00090377 = 4.405 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
KRS|Gotchawallet: stringpuller you around
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 241 @ 0.00297997 = 0.7182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00090289 = 0.8126 BTC [-]
ozbot: GOG.com
Duffer1: ^ free fallout 1, 2, & Tactics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8942 @ 0.00090229 = 8.0683 BTC [-]
jborkl: So seedcoin is going to fund MEXBIt. They are going to funnel bitcoin between the us and mexico as the business plan.
jborkl: Fucking genius :(
nubbins`: i don't get it
nubbins`: they're going to print out private keys and smuggle them over the border?
jborkl: Well, as someone who lives close to mexico. They would end up dead very shortly
jborkl: I guess they think there is a shortage of ways to get $ into mexico
nubbins`: i'm just not sure in what other context it would make sense to have a service that moves btc from one country to another
nubbins`: do they even internet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090229 = 3.2482 BTC [-]
jborkl: Lol, not so much
mike_c: i can't tell if their webpage is broken or just really bad
nubbins`: it can be two things
jborkl: Maybe kidnappings can be paid in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00090229 = 3.8347 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 374 @ 0.00149824 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {10}
nubbins`: anyone here own a 3d printer?
mikaeldice: I have access to one
mikaeldice: My workplace bought one for us to play with
mikaeldice: The makerbot
mikaeldice: I'm trying to think of a way to prove that a wallet is on a specific machine
mikaeldice: There's an ip address encoded into a transaction, right? Maybe I can have the machine sign a message or something
nubbins`: eh...
pigeons: no no ip address
nubbins`: you could have a thousand machines sharing an ip
mikaeldice: hmm..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.001 = 0.12 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 623 @ 0.00051 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
mikaeldice: I want to make a bet on the strength of the security software being used on the computer, that given the root password and an unencrypted wallet, that still nobody could steal the wallet
nubbins`: well, when you say a specific machine
truffles: bitcoin hunter
nubbins`: how are you planning to identify the machine?
nubbins`: by the os install? the hard drive? the mobo? etc
nubbins`: all can fail and be replaced
ozbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.
mikaeldice: hostname/IP.. I'd probably use linux on EC2, then have the machine run a little program that interfaces with bitcoind and gives out the password whenever someone gives it a bitcoin
KRS|Gotchawallet: EC2 is great
KRS|Gotchawallet: you can probably get it for free even
mikaeldice: Then they can login and try breaking past the rest of the security. Or they can skip the fee and break it without root's password
mikaeldice: But I need a provable way to show that the wallet is on that machine that they're given access to, or people will yell scam
mikaeldice: Each time someone buys the root login, the bitcoin would be added to the wallet for a total pot.. I'd keep it after a month if nobody could break the security
mikaeldice: Or maybe I'd just let it ride forever
truffles: which ppl will yell scam
mikaeldice: People who can't get the wallet, people who think that giving away root access is too permissive and that it's impossible to block root
mikaeldice: Maybe I'd throw something up on bitbet too.. that would be fun to watch
mike_c: you know, i tried urbit and asked for destroyers. never got an answer.
truffles: cant tell if ure trying to fix or exploit :D
mikaeldice: lol, truffles. It'd be a test of sorts, to prove the security software out. If it can hold up to an open invitation to the bitcoin community to try to break it, then I'd say it's relatively secure
Apocalyptic: mikaeldice, would the wallet be encrypted ?
Apocalyptic: that's a good starting point, otherwise it doesn't make sense
Apocalyptic: so you provide us with root access to a machine containing a wallet.dat file with the actual (pubkey,privkey) to an address holding coins
mikaeldice: Unencrypted, open SSH port, and optionally pay for a valid root login. The payment gets added to the same wallet hosted on the server
mikaeldice: But I need a way to prove that the wallet is there
Apocalyptic: any hardware firewall ?
mikaeldice: EC2's security groupings on ports other than 80 and 22
Apocalyptic: software firewall ?
mikaeldice: Nah, I could disable iptables
mikaeldice: I'd even make a little webapp that interacts with bitcoind so there's another vector for attack
Apocalyptic: "try breaking past the rest of the security" // i guess figuring this out is a part of the challenge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6958 @ 0.00090229 = 6.2781 BTC [-]
mikaeldice: Yep, but I'll give you a hint, it involves kernel level protection
Apocalyptic: so you built a custom kernel ?
kakobrekla: something unhackable this week does not mean unhackable
Apocalyptic: indeed kako
mikaeldice: Nope, it'll use a standard linux kernel.. probably a major service pack version of either centos or ubuntu
mikaeldice: kakobrekla, I'd leave it up for a month or so, maybe longer. A minimum of a month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00089889 = 9.2136 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: cause if you disable file access by inode to this wallet.dat file on the kernel level, there's no much we can or anyone do
mikaeldice: There will be conditional access allowed, or the webapp won't work
Apocalyptic: obviously
mikaeldice: But yeah, it would be kernel level protection of that sort, Apocalyptic
Apocalyptic: you will have a couple of challengers then :)
Apocalyptic: btc initial pot ?
mikaeldice: I'm not sure.. probably 1 BTC to start with, plus whatever challengers throw in
kakobrekla: you need liek 100 btc to get any srs traction
nubbins`: or offer like 1000 free tries
Apocalyptic: what about to say it's kinda low to be worth serious people's time
mikaeldice: I don't have that to throw around. But I could probably start a bitbet for spectators who don't have access.
mikaeldice: Well, there are unlimited free tries if you want to break SSH login as well
mikaeldice: or break the webapp
Apocalyptic: but 100 is maybe a bit much
kakobrekla: i doubt it would get approved cause you can play it
Apocalyptic: I say 10 BTC is decent
mikaeldice: I'd be keeping a keylogger record of everything so I can see how it's broken if it is broken. Maybe I could throw that up on the webapp for spectators
Apocalyptic: only at the end then
Apocalyptic: or others might pick up ideas/current progressions of competitors
mikaeldice: hmm, true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10319999 BTC [+]
mikaeldice: But to go back to the original problem, I need a way to prove that the wallet is there to begin with
mikaeldice: Maybe the webapp can sign a message every hour or something, but I don't know if that'll include the IP address where the message was signed
Apocalyptic: well mikaeldice, the bad news is the first broadcast IP can be easily spoofed
Apocalyptic: I think you don't really have a way to proove it's their
Apocalyptic: *there
mikaeldice: Maybe I could have the initial 1 BTC held in escrow, to be given to someone who can force the webapp to display their own bitcoin address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9348 @ 0.00089785 = 8.3931 BTC [-] {2}
mikaeldice: and if they can do that, they can grab the whole pot. Or the whole pot could be held in escrow
Apocalyptic: but why couple this with a running bitcoind on the server then ?
Apocalyptic: it's not the actual challenge, is it ? you're trying to prove you security system
mikaeldice: I dunno, the excitement of it. I want to show that a hot wallet can be secured
Apocalyptic: just create a file with a randomhash and secure that
Apocalyptic: the one with the knownledge of the hash can claim the btc price
Apocalyptic: it's the hotwallet problem reduced to a more convenient layout
mikaeldice: true, but it lacks a certain panache.. I'd like to see a hot wallet sitting on a server with open root access for a month unmolested
Apocalyptic: it's the same thing
mikaeldice: Effectively, yeah
Apocalyptic: with a different perception perhaps
Apocalyptic: if you really want to do this bitcoind-hotwallet related
Apocalyptic: hum by the
Apocalyptic: *way, is your security system preventing/monitoring the access to wallet.dat only ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3882 @ 0.0008951 = 3.4748 BTC [-]
mikaeldice: No, it would protect other things, like disabling program execution of setuid programs that have been modified, and access to the administrative program to the security software
Apocalyptic: in fact I was incorrect, it's not really an equivalent problem
Apocalyptic: in the sense that with bitcoind you have another attack vector to get the privatekey
Apocalyptic: they are loaded in memory at the start I believe, so if one could dump the memspace of bitcoind you have it
asciilifeform: please bring it on. 10 btc of prize is reasonable.
nubbins`: urbit, i dunno
mikaeldice: I'd go to 10 if my company would sponsor it, but I doubt they would
mikaeldice: I can throw in 1 myself, plus whatever competitors add
asciilifeform: what are the conditions? do we get unprivileged shell access?
mikaeldice: standard root access, but under restrictions from the security software
asciilifeform: ok let's play!
mikaeldice: root for 1 BTC, or if you want to break into SSH then you can get it for free
asciilifeform: it'll be mostly a footrace though
iwilcox: brendio: Scamming on -assets?
iwilcox: Good luck.
mikaeldice: Not a scam.. when I do actually post the competition it'll be on the forums, and with an escrow for the BTC
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> it'll be mostly a footrace though // don't be so sure :)
mikaeldice: I came here to try to find the best way to prove it's not a scam, the best I could come up with is escrow
mikaeldice: I'm open to suggestions
Apocalyptic: mikaeldice, so did you count on that ?
asciilifeform: also does 'root' mean something peculiar on your machine?
Apocalyptic: memdump protection
asciilifeform: so the first-comer reads back your disk blockwise
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, i assume it's the standard uid=0 access
mikaeldice: I hadn't, but it'll be taken into account now :D
mikaeldice: It'll be root with uid=0, but with kernel level protection in place restricting it's access
mikaeldice: The job of the contest is to bypass that protection
asciilifeform: if i can't execute arbitrary ring0 instructions, i'm not root
asciilifeform: and we're then playing with words
asciilifeform: but if i can, i win.
asciilifeform: or, probably not me, but the first fellow who plays
mikaeldice: I'll leave your hint to this.. somewhere on the system will be an administrative user who can access the security software to disable these protections; the system won't allow you to remove the last security administrator
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10500001 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: can i execute arbitrary ring0 cpu instructions or not?
asciilifeform: that's what 'root' means on planet earth.
mikaeldice: arbitrary? No, or it wouldn't be protected
asciilifeform: then it's a lie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.04002513 = 0.1601 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: and i'm not root.
asciilifeform: just an unprivileged account labeled 'root'
mikaeldice: In that case, there would be effectively no user who is root
asciilifeform: if you want a privilege escalation 0day out of me (or the next guy) it's gonna cost you more than 10btc.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you have one ?
asciilifeform: no comment
Apocalyptic: thought so
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: why? you'd care to share yours here?
Apocalyptic: not really
Apocalyptic: was just interested if you were into this kind of thing
Apocalyptic: not asking you to disclose anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3118 @ 0.0008951 = 2.7909 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i do it for a living.
asciilifeform: it isn't exciting or glorious.
Apocalyptic: i know some guys working @Vupen
Apocalyptic: yeah, it depends
Apocalyptic: i heard it's kinda badly paid, for what it is
asciilifeform: it's badly paid if you sell exploits as such
asciilifeform: (not to mention the counterparty risk!)
Apocalyptic: depends who you sell to / where i guess
Apocalyptic: russian blackmarket or gov isn't the same rate
asciilifeform: counterparty risk is about the same in either case.
copumpkin: brendio: hey
brendio: whats up you fucking faggot?
brendio: what you want?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, what do you mean in this specific case by CP risk ?
Apocalyptic: copumpkin, it's a squatter
copumpkin: I figured
asciilifeform: as in, they club you over the head and take the goods instead of paying
copumpkin: the real one wouldn't call me that
asciilifeform: or, if you deliver prior to payment, simply abscond.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.0008951 = 3.5876 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: i somehow assumed in this case of business they pay prior to delivery
asciilifeform: then the risk is on the buyer. you could easily sell the 'whore's virginity' many times.
asciilifeform: afaik this is actually the norm in '0day markets'
Apocalyptic: if you're a well known corp like Vupen there's no much risk for the buyer
asciilifeform: but i'm not vupen. and, afaik, you are also not vupen.
Apocalyptic: indeed
asciilifeform: nor do i particularly wish to be vupen.
Apocalyptic: why so ?
asciilifeform: because i'm me.
asciilifeform: don't need to be someone else.
Apocalyptic: i'm sure you are you, how is that revelant to why you're not wishing to work @vupen eludes me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02301114 = 0.2531 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: how is it irrelevant? :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00297997 = 0.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143001 BTC [-]
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