Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-05-12 | 2013-05-14 → ↓
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0149 = 0.4172 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01495 = 0.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000695 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 149 @ 0.01495 = 2.2276 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01495 = 0.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01497 = 0.1946 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5801 @ 0.00070757 = 4.1046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00070579 = 1.1286 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500007 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.169999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.5 = 7.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.49 = 14.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.01497 = 0.9132 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 101 @ 0.01497 = 1.512 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010098 = 0.101 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.537999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.538 = 7.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.537998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.53995 = 30.799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54 = 4.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014975 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Friedcat just sold 140 more blades
ThickAsThieves: at 49.99btc ea
ThickAsThieves: thats 190 sold this week
inhies: \o.
ThickAsThieves: 9498.1 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539989 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.014975 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194959 BTC [+]
topace_: !ticker h asicm
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01465000 / 0.01477454 / 0.01494499 (3632 shares, 53.66111326 BTC), 7D: 0.01290000 / 0.01473886 / 0.02820000 (42993 shares, 633.66801842 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01473886 / 0.02820000 (42993 shares, 633.66801842 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: WTB AM Shares in Bulk, Looking for more sellers!
inhies: bah!
KRS-1: is bitcoinity down for anyone else
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.014975 = 1.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 135 @ 0.00318 = 0.4293 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002817 = 0.5634 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.002816 = 0.0591 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2500 @ 0.00278 = 6.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 218 @ 0.002778 = 0.6056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 487 @ 0.002775 = 1.3514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 284 @ 0.002765 = 0.7853 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002764 = 0.0111 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0151 = 0.4228 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539974 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19493 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.53998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.53998 = 7.6999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010098 = 0.101 BTC [+]
Namworld: ;;seen DeaDTerra
gribble: DeaDTerra was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <DeaDTerra> chaotic...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.539999 = 3.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0151 = 0.453 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 20 @ 0.0175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.017 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0151 = 0.151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.54 = 3.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2722 @ 0.00070579 = 1.9212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2764 @ 0.00070578 = 1.9508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.544998 = 7.725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.544998 = 27.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.301851 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.30185 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.301842 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070663 = 3.0533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1469 @ 0.00070695 = 1.0385 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070694 = 3.0547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4129 @ 0.00070695 = 2.919 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01509 = 0.6791 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.0151 = 0.2869 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.520009 = 3.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.510001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.51 = 7.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00070695 = 2.8646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7594 @ 0.00070722 = 5.3706 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 56 @ 0.01491 = 0.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070621 = 3.0515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6432 @ 0.00070618 = 4.5421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1697 @ 0.00070578 = 1.1977 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00306958 = 1.6883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 459 @ 0.00306302 = 1.4059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3091 @ 0.00306301 = 9.4678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 459 @ 0.00306301 = 1.4059 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00094 = 0.0019 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.00079 = 0.0095 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2806 @ 0.00070722 = 1.9845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070775 = 3.0582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3773 @ 0.00070776 = 2.6704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.000751 = 0.1878 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 450 @ 0.00075 = 0.3375 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.000651 = 0.651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0006 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0006 = 0.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2999 @ 0.000511 = 1.5325 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.01491 = 0.8946 BTC [+]
davout: hi all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4616 @ 0.00070776 = 3.267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070899 = 3.0635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 743 @ 0.000709 = 0.5268 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54 = 7.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.542 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.544998 = 3.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.544999 = 33.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01471 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.107 = 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00070575 = 2.3996 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549397 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0151 = 0.0302 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.015119 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.01512 = 1.0735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.549398 = 7.747 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically if the russians actually deliver their 400th or w/e
mircea_popescu: a. i will have been right that the asic winner was not known all through
mircea_popescu: b. asicminer is what, 5% of that ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01512 = 0.8618 BTC [+]
KRS-1: oh dear the Russians are coming
mjr_2: hi all
KRS-1: Good Merning
mjr_2: good morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5957 @ 0.000709 = 4.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5843 @ 0.0007105 = 4.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.01512 = 0.6048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 78 @ 0.01521 = 1.1864 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.449999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01521 = 0.1673 BTC [+]
davout: ohai
fiat500: what is this room
kakobrekla: this is the room.
KRS-1: you should try #bitcoin-anal instead
mjr_2: hey davout and kakobrekla
mjr_2: whats new
kakobrekla: 25 alt chains.
mjr_2: lol
kakobrekla: ah sry that was yest
mjr_2: i thought i saw them all going down
mjr_2: also, i think we are at the start of a mini rally
kakobrekla: and btc is next omg bbq
mjr_2: i am going to show off this idea (project buttonwood) at the conference
mjr_2: that has nothing to do with the rally lol
mjr_2: i just think we are gonna see a pop today
davout: KRS-1: i left #bitcoin-anal when there was only jurov and me in the chan, was getting awkward XD
mjr_2: i never understood the purpose of that chan
jurov: (^^)
mjr_2: anyway, today is the second open outcry exchange!
davout: mjr_2: my gf never understood the purpose of anal sex, yet ...
mircea_popescu: Two months before that, attorney Thomas P. Lowe of Eagan was suspended for a minimum of 15 months for having a sexual relationship with a client he was representing in a divorce case, and including the time spent during their trysts in his billable hours.
davout: mjr_2: yay!
mircea_popescu: fiat500 this is the room where we do bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: who are you ?
davout: mircea_popescu: classy
mjr_2: please upvote if you have a few secs
mircea_popescu: davout lawyers, right ?
davout: yup
mircea_popescu: will expect you to pay for the time they take fucking your wife.
davout: :-)
davout: mircea_popescu: i'd totally pay her hourly rate to fuck our lawyer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2163 @ 0.0007105 = 1.5368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11578 @ 0.00071102 = 8.2322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00071114 = 2.4179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00071178 = 2.9895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6759 @ 0.00071222 = 4.8139 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: should i pursue anal convesation or the rally pop conversation
davout: lol
davout: cut the pear in two as we say, let's talk about the anal pop
davout: i'm going to write a song
davout: gonna call it "I FUCKING HATE ACCOUNTING"
davout: anyone up for a jam ?
jurov: *takes
jurov: dun dun dun dunudnudn
davout: lol, let's do it
davout: jamming over skype, probably the easiest and fastest way to lose your mental sanity
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]
jurov: skype jam.. no thanks. imma rather have afternoon nap
KRS-1: lol davout
KRS-1: idk its mircea_popescu's chan I was just holding it open for him
mircea_popescu: it's my chan ?!
mircea_popescu: dude! /msg chanserv FLAGS +m
KRS-1: when I tried taking it didnt you say you got that room a while ago but can't remember why..
KRS-1: guess there really is no need to for a dual purpose bitcoin channel with a focus on rectal health..
mircea_popescu: o you were talking of -anal
mircea_popescu: i thot you were talking of this one
KRS-1: maybe we should party in there just one more time on say Friday night maybe..one final blowout.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
KRS-1: im seeing bearish signals on my graphs..was there selloffs coming today or this week maybe
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01521 = 0.0456 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01521 = 0.1217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.015233 = 0.0305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.547999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00071155 = 0.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070813 = 3.0598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8079 @ 0.00070791 = 5.7192 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.53 = 3.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.010098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.501001 = 3.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.501 = 6.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070791 = 0.9203 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.50001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.50001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3823 @ 0.00070791 = 2.7063 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070722 = 3.0559 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10056 @ 0.00070721 = 7.1117 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01473 = 0.0442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94 @ 0.00070721 = 0.0665 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01495 = 1.2259 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00070669 = 7.2082 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01495 = 0.6279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01473 = 0.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19446 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 63 @ 0.01473 = 0.928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00070575 = 3.1406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070542 = 3.0481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00070541 = 5.0437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12729 @ 0.000705 = 8.9739 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.523994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.000705 = 8.8125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00304 = 0.0061 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 117.89999
inhies: blah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00070669 = 1.8989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.412 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.411002 = 0.822 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.5 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495108 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4951 = 2.9902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.495 = 7.475 BTC [-]
error4733: ;;next
error4733: ;;ticker
ThickAsThieves: gribble is napping
error4733: again
error4733: thick, how do you see this week ?
error4733: 140$ or 90$ friday ?
Uglux: MPOE-PR bitching in AM thread -> popcorn time
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.523999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I stopped watching closely because I believe the fundamental low has risen enough to make us stable above 105 or so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 349 @ 0.01471003 = 5.1338 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.01471002 = 2.2212 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: won't start watching again til this weekend
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524 BTC [+]
error4733: with the convention ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: that's just when I think the bottom might meet current price
ThickAsThieves: interested to see if that gets us back into steady-rise mode
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.524 = 3.048 BTC [+]
Uglux: what happened to our supernode? was he raped?
error4733: i have a bet, 500$ by end of summer !
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: error, that's quite a risky bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 519 @ 0.00070669 = 0.3668 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00070809 = 1.2392 BTC [+]
error4733: yes i know ! that why is a 10Ā€ bet :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 381 @ 0.00070842 = 0.2699 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5245 BTC [+]
error4733: I need some avalon chips ! ? any link for a auction or a sell ?
ThickAsThieves: search forum
ThickAsThieves: there are several
error4733: do u vouch for 1 ?
ThickAsThieves: I think it's wste of time to buy chips unless you have big plans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01491 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR has some worthy points about AM, but they are hard to swallow when they are dripping with vindictiveness
inhies: ThickAsThieves: well said
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549788 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: error4733, that kind of thing is indistinguishable from a scam
error4733: so my wet dream to bought some chips and send it to this guy is just a wet dream ?
Uglux: must be scam ;)
ThickAsThieves: if it quacks like a duck...
error4733: Q. Will you do escrow?
error4733: A. No.
error4733: byeeeeeee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.000705 = 5.8163 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
Uglux: escrow? John (John K.) is the real supernode in bitcoinland
ThickAsThieves: he charges too much
Uglux: yea
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0149 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i understang getting paid
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549787 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but on bigger deals, 1-1.5% is a bit much
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549789 BTC [+]
error4733: he charges for escrow ? always tought he asked for tips, not a %
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549786 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: he changed
ThickAsThieves: cuz no one tipped
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.502001 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: cant blame him
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.549786 = 4.6494 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but he needs a better scale
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.510345 BTC [-]
error4733: he take 1-1.5% of all blade money ????
sdfdsf: hello
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [+]
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.000705 = 4.512 BTC [-]
error4733: bc,stats : avalon you're good, AM you're good, BFL you're fucked
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01494 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.0149 = 0.2533 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01473 = 0.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01472 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
sdfdsf: this is dead
sdfdsf: anyone here
sdfdsf: ????
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01471002 = 2.2065 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: whats up with all the disconnects?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]
jurov: ThickAsThieves: freenode's still under ddos
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.01494 = 0.5677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00070646 = 3.5323 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: what's the point of ddosing freenode?
ThickAsThieves: trying to sneak in to grab pw's somehow?
jurov: dunno
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.547999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548897 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01495 = 0.2243 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014905 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 110 @ 0.01495 = 1.6445 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Public confirmation that TAT Investments hold more ASICMINER shares than it has sold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199449.msg2132062#msg2132062
ThickAsThieves: I also have plenty more coming in from incoming deals.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01495 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [+]
deadweasel: how will this be judged? if they get a usb powered jalepeno? an SC that is within 10% power? Did they specify power?
deadweasel: for anything beyond jalepeno?
deadweasel: just wondering if they ship something within' that range, like an SC.. the bet should be yes?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.51 = 10.57 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5842 @ 0.000705 = 4.1186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00070429 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6638 @ 0.00070421 = 4.6745 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: deadweasel 1gh/w
kakobrekla: "oh no, but that is not possible!"
kakobrekla: apparently bitfuy disagrees
BitHub: anyone have any custom charts for the assets :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2237 @ 0.00070421 = 1.5753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00070366 = 1.7592 BTC [-]
BitHub: kind of like cryptocharts.info but for all assets and asset exchanges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2163 @ 0.00070192 = 1.5183 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: theres 3 charting tools for mpex
kakobrekla: the rest of it who cares
BitHub: haha
BitHub: does anyone display mpex charts anywhere? or is it all within mpex?
ThickAsThieves: BitHun, there is someone that does that
kakobrekla: jurov made charts for mpex
BitHub: okey babe, got a link?
kakobrekla: pizzaman1337 made charts for mpex
kakobrekla: kakobrekla made charts for mpex
BitHub: cool, mind if i check it out?
kakobrekla: that should do it
BitHub: babe = TAT
pizzaman1337: I made some basic charts for mpex recently, started logging bids/asks http://mpexcharts.com/
kakobrekla: there ya go
BitHub: oh nice TAT, thank you, thanks kako
BitHub: and pizzaman, thanks
BitHub: TAT that chart is too much like bitfunders :( saddens me cant make a csv out of it
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
BitHub: oh jesus, mpex sierra chart feed
kakobrekla: what?
BitHub: that's what i'm talking about, awesome, anyone have a bridge for havelock, btct, bitfunder?
kakobrekla: ill take your money if you are lazy
BitHub: absoltely
BitHub: absolutely
kakobrekla: mebbe
BitHub: that mpex sierrachart is genius, i was going to donate just based on that
kakobrekla: it costs 1 btc per year
BitHub: where should i sent .1 too?
kakobrekla: so no need to donate
BitHub: send*
BitHub: ahh k
kakobrekla: its for people who really need it ya know
ThickAsThieves: NOTE: TAT Investments is currently the [i]only [/i]passthrough provider that shares this level of transparency. It is our mission to set a new standard in bitcoin investments.
ThickAsThieves: sorry for bbcode and shameless promo
BitHub: i really need all of them
ThickAsThieves: but I'm calling people out
kakobrekla: well pm me bithub when and if you want to set it up.
BitHub: pming now
BitHub: you mean for all of them or just mpex?
kakobrekla: right now i have mpex
kakobrekla: stocks, i also have options but on another channel
kakobrekla: not documented
BitHub: so this sierra mpex feed costs 1btc a year?
kakobrekla: correct
BitHub: exe
kakobrekla: its opensouce, the client and protocol
kakobrekla: you can do whatever implementation on it
BitHub: sierra subscription only .8 for the year :)
kakobrekla: is it?
BitHub: its pretty cheap
kakobrekla: sierra is free
kakobrekla: unless you want to use their servers
BitHub: for 14 days or something
BitHub: i just had to pay for a subscription
kakobrekla: if you use this socket
kakobrekla: you can use demo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5783 @ 0.00070192 = 4.0592 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1917 @ 0.00070174 = 1.3452 BTC [-]
BitHub: ahh yeah, because not official feed
BitHub: gotchu
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
BitHub: very cool, i'll come back to it oneday
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00070646 = 0.7065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00070725 = 0.6217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3940 @ 0.00070842 = 2.7912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1483 @ 0.00070927 = 1.0518 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: sierrachart is something like metatrader ?
davout: kakobrekla: (pardon my ignorance)
kakobrekla: well yes and no
davout: like a client you connect to your broker ? (or directly to an exchange? i'd imagine not)
davout: does it use fix ?
kakobrekla: yes you can trade from it
kakobrekla: but lots of ppl use it to chart only
davout: i see
BitHub: there are heaps of peeps working on software like that tho for cryptos
davout: howso
kakobrekla: this is fun: We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment.
davout: interesting, so it's sierracharts itself that collects the feed from mtgox
kakobrekla: not sure what their implementation will be exactly
kakobrekla: i mean if they will proxy it or no, im guessing they will
davout: relying on the mtgox ws feed sounds like folly
kakobrekla: anyway you will be able to trade from it somehow apparently
kakobrekla: its gonna suck as bad as gox does
kakobrekla: so im not worried.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00070193 = 2.4919 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01495 = 0.0897 BTC [+]
BitHub: what's that thing that everyone uses? goxtool or something
kakobrekla: goxtoolbox extraordinaire
davout: supercalifragilistickexpialidociousgoxtool ?
davout: supercalifragilistickexpialidociousgoxtool reloaded deluxe edition ?
kakobrekla: with extra flavour.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01495 = 0.1944 BTC [+]
davout: dick flavour
davout: hanhanhan
kakobrekla: That's great news. Keep up the good work.
kakobrekla: You can retrieve the engine lag from https://data.mtgox.com/api/1/generic/order/lag . Sometimes this grows to couple of minutes, and every order you send (or quotes) are delayed by this amount. So it's nice to know about this value when doing trades.
kakobrekla: Sierra Chart Engineering : Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible.
kakobrekla: bahahaha
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.538799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5388 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5399 = 3.0798 BTC [+]
davout: i'm developing this redis-based in-memory trading engine, gonna sell it to markie karpie and kill his lag
davout: BUT MY WHEEL GONNA ROLL MUCH MUCH FASTER
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 140 @ 0.01491 = 2.0874 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: davout dont do that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.003 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00296049 = 1.6283 BTC [-]
davout: kakobrekla: tell me more
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [-]
mjr_2: kakobrekla: whats up?
kakobrekla: first of all you want to kill gox not save it and second of all for fucks sake, theres a bunch of wheels you could use
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.43465 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.434658 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: well, there's three things
kakobrekla: mjr_1: reverse value of alt chains
kakobrekla: mjr_2 even
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: inverse
kakobrekla: whatever.
davout: 1. i'd never sell out to mtgox, i'd rather die. (unless their offer is reasonable of course)
davout: 2. i like coding, it is fun
davout: (especially ruby+redis+eventmachine)
davout: 3. it's going to be fast
mjr_2: switch to meteor
mjr_2: its amazingt
kakobrekla: its not just about fast
davout: 4. i'm not going to have to learn sthg else
kakobrekla: and basically 10k tps is good enough for a year or so
kakobrekla: you can get that in day
davout: 5. i don't really know of other wheels i could use
kakobrekla: in a day*
davout: yo
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.412 BTC [+]
davout: if you have pointers to wheels i could use i'm interested
kakobrekla: mjr_2 where you got those skateboard wheels?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2925 = 0.585 BTC [-]
davout: SKATEBOARDS!
kakobrekla: im srs.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.01776 = 0.1421 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.106 = 0.424 BTC [+]
mjr_2: which?
mjr_2: skateboard wheels?
kakobrekla: ABEC 5
mjr_2: i have neither a skateboard nor skateboard wheels...
ThickAsThieves: okay, I have to ask, at the risk of being chastized, wtf is this skateboards shit
mjr_2: LOL
kakobrekla: satahp
mjr_2: ThickAsThieves: check out the comments on my blog
mjr_2: blog.btcshares.com
mjr_2: its explained thre
mjr_2: np
ThickAsThieves: ack the whit on black kills me eyes!
ThickAsThieves: i see no mention of skateboards
mjr_2: comments, followup post
mjr_2: hold on
ThickAsThieves: are skateboards even cool anymore?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2925 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i recall them having a comeback along with 90s punk
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm out of touch
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01485 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01481 = 0.2073 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.01495 = 0.6429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.00070193 = 0.5412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5829 @ 0.00070174 = 4.0904 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194129 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19413 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 14 @ 0.000666 = 0.0093 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3354 @ 0.00070174 = 2.3536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00070102 = 2.1732 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00069934 = 8.1123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2925 = 0.585 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.104 = 0.832 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.51 = 4.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501107 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.5 = 9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01486 = 2.229 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01495 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 101 @ 0.009 = 0.909 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 30 @ 0.01 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01485 = 0.3713 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01485 = 0.1931 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.014801 = 0.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0148 = 0.592 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 119 @ 0.01474 = 1.7541 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01474 = 0.4422 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.01473 = 1.0311 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0147105 = 0.8826 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0147105 = 2.9421 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.01471002 = 0.5884 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.2771 = 3.0481 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.277 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2711 = 1.0844 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2711 = 1.0844 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002801 = 0.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0028 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 495 @ 0.002764 = 1.3682 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002754 = 0.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.002705 = 0.0568 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.490001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.49 = 5.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009999 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 343 @ 0.009998 = 3.4293 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009998 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 260 @ 0.00999 = 2.5974 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 29 @ 0.00999 = 0.2897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3050 @ 0.00296049 = 9.0295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1547 @ 0.00295421 = 4.5702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00069389 = 13.3574 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.532 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01494 = 0.0598 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01494 = 0.0448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 59 @ 0.01471002 = 0.8679 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491051 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2401 = 1.2005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00068926 = 6.2723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00068863 = 3.7186 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0147001 = 0.3675 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0147 = 0.0735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 74 @ 0.01466 = 1.0848 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01466 = 0.0733 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.528999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.003159 = 0.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00068572 = 0.3429 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.003159 = 0.0663 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01494 = 0.3436 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.01495 = 0.613 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.014899 = 0.447 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 64 @ 0.01491 = 0.9542 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 241 @ 0.014915 = 3.5945 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.518999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
FabianB: anyone here interested in buying bigger amounts of btc via sepa?
deadweasel: maybe in 6 weeks
FabianB: that's when i might start rebuying, just need some cash this week :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.518999 = 18.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4297 = 1.2891 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00068436 = 1.0608 BTC [-]
jurov: the bitcointips seem to create completely opposite effect on hotel staff
jurov: plus the fact risto seems to have left computer unprotected, unencrypted and with browser open /o\
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [+]
jurov: beyond bizarre
jborkl: wait, so they lost 9.1 million ?
jborkl: I had a hard time reading it
truffles: welcome back
truffles: only took like 2hrs
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
jurov: "I have suffered the loss of 82% of the fiat value of my bitcoins unscatched."
truffles: link?
truffles: thanks
truffles: oh i was going to get caught up on that
truffles: robbery??
jurov: risto can't write clearly but seems so
jurov: the had some sauna workshop and left computers unprotected, unencrypted and with browser open
truffles: lmao
jurov: but read it it's funny. maybe you'll come with some other conclusion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.014915 = 0.1044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01495 = 0.2093 BTC [+]
jborkl: wait, so he wanted was naked in the sauna with other dudes and his laptop got stolen...
jborkl: so he was
truffles: helsinki is like NY..
jborkl: Anna minulle minun laptop takaisin, olen alasti ja on alasti poika saunassa
jborkl: fucking people on BTC talk
jurov: you understand finnish?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00068706 = 5.84 BTC [+]
jurov: google translator had serious trouble
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [+]
jurov: hi mircea_popescu, bitcoin expected to go up thanks to fresh supply of drama from finland
truffles: haha
truffles: naked boys in sauna's...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7963 @ 0.00068436 = 5.4496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a coolness.
mircea_popescu: wghat nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.014915 = 0.0298 BTC [+]
truffles: with celebrity comes great responsiblity to oneself etc
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.19 = 0.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5189 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 687 @ 0.00068436 = 0.4702 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.014915 = 0.2685 BTC [+]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: btw. where did the black theme of mpex.co go?
mircea_popescu: FabianB nowhere ?
jurov: use ?r=1
FabianB: oh, my fault
deadweasel: wow, this guy is manic. how could anybody trust someone like that?
deadweasel: re: rpietila public diary
truffles: maybe paranoid..
deadweasel: definitely.
truffles: manic is kinda harsh
deadweasel: i didn't judge him for being manic... just pointed it out. facts are not judgements
deadweasel: his posting history will back me up.
deadweasel: btw, how the hell are you truffles?
truffles: drinking away my sorrows, u?
deadweasel: i'm about to get started as well.
deadweasel: o/ high five
deadweasel: only I have no troubles...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51999 BTC [+]
deadweasel: could somebody give me a reason to drink?
truffles: every1 has troubles
deadweasel: but when you worry you make them double
deadweasel: so don't worry
deadweasel: be happy
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.519 = 6.076 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.519 = 4.557 BTC [-]
truffles: drink to ripple taking over bitcoin
jurov: O.o how?
deadweasel: has that occurred?
truffles: just speculation
deadweasel: a lot has changed in 36 minutes I was away
truffles: wild unfounded
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501 BTC [-]
deadweasel: indeed, poking the beehive I see.
deadweasel: this is a good palce for that
truffles: sure is
deadweasel: jurov, you get someone to finish that weak-ass 'guide' I started?
truffles: this place is dead, weasel
deadweasel: no truf, fleas
jurov: deadweasel: did not search further yet, had other things to do
deadweasel: jurov, that was my problem too
truffles: like laugh at rptilla
jurov: yes. and taking afternoon naps
deadweasel: damn straight
deadweasel: I'm guessing all MPEX IPOs have been delayed until interest in bitcoin has resurfaced?
truffles: listening to this largo symphony it sure sets the mood
deadweasel: not that they are many...
jurov: deadweasel: you know of any?
truffles: weasel drink to mpex crashing?
jurov: like, S.BRKH ?
deadweasel: S Burkah? are we invested in Islamic women?
deadweasel: this is not good....
deadweasel: their husbands will be pissed and start a war against.....
deadweasel: oh, too late.
deadweasel: great vid of him and munger.
deadweasel: that's been on my brain lately.
jurov: that ratpoison one?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01491899 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
truffles: thats such a posh name, was it told how he came up with it
truffles: or whomever
truffles: hathaway..
truffles: rly posh sounding
jurov: wouldn't surprise me if few dudes met in a trollbox somwehere and came out with the name
jurov: :)
truffles: brilliance cannot be confined
jurov: lmao
jurov: yes, it tends to spill ver
jurov: *over
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.411003 = 3.699 BTC [-]
jurov: i'm totally using it "yes, this thing spilled over from trollbox"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01491899 = 0.2238 BTC [+]
truffles: whether from a cave or mountain top..
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 34 @ 0.1059 = 3.6006 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+]
truffles: i guess ill see every1 til after the next split, da2ce7 and i will be here..
deadweasel: ha, freenode is gasping for breath, yet here I sit, in 15 channels, just lurking.
jurov: till the blockchain makes us part
deadweasel: nevar!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.411003 = 4.11 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: im curious if this actually blows freenode off the interwebs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00068408 = 4.5669 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51999 = 3.04 BTC [+]
deadweasel: no way
deadweasel: it will come back stronger
mircea_popescu: whoa it's incredible, the bitfury bet still at 10:1
mircea_popescu: peepz out of money ?
deadweasel: who is this guy? you think he has any chance?
mircea_popescu: well here's the score : if he is in fact delivering 200th up to 22peta hash,
mircea_popescu: then asicminer is dead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1194 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you have a bitcoin in asicminer it makes sense to bet as much as .1 btc against him, seeing the odds.
mircea_popescu: therefore, we can calculate the % of idiots in asicminer as follows :
mircea_popescu: total no side bet divided by asicminer market cap
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13 / 600000
gribble: 2.16666666667e-05
mircea_popescu: that's what, 998 people out of 1000 ?
mircea_popescu: just some off the cuff degree-of-magnitude accurate maffs.
ezdiy: deadweasel: it will likely kick out the channel which is causing the ddos drama
dub: its not #bitcoin-trollbox
dub: thats a picture of health
ezdiy: dub: yea, i kinda suspect it'll be #bitcoin* :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.51999 = 12.1599 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ezdiy: which channel is that?
ezdiy: deadweasel: well
ezdiy: bitcoin is second largest community after ubuntu
ezdiy: so guess what
deadweasel: aaw man.
deadweasel: now I feel bad.
ezdiy: (out of my arse speculation)
ThickAsThieves: mp/jurov, could you push withdrawals
ThickAsThieves: got hustlin' to do
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves k, be like half hour.
ThickAsThieves: poop, ok
mircea_popescu: i guess we find out, ezdiy.
ezdiy: (subtly luring me to start bitbet.us bet lol :)
mircea_popescu: tho tbh kicking out bitcoin would be pretty damaging to them.
deadweasel: do it!
deadweasel: i got .5 on FREENODE LIVES
mircea_popescu: lol why do i need to lure you, i can just make one
jborkl: So the full terms of the bitfury bet are - they deliver how much? in basically a month?
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: not enough info for that yet :/
mircea_popescu: jborkl just demonstrate hashing
ezdiy: might be just some kiddo nerdraging at mircop
ezdiy: or a guy with serious firepower systematically trying to target something
mircea_popescu: what's mircop
dub: mircop?
ezdiy: irc operator
ezdiy: using mIRC
dub: lol
dub: LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00068676 = 1.287 BTC [+]
dub: im sure that would pass bash moderation
deadweasel: is bitfury russian?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.51999 = 37.9998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems so.
mircea_popescu: would be funnay if the russians blow out the chinese.
mircea_popescu: historically accurate too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1939 BTC [+]
dub: bitfury exists?
deadweasel: no higher education... gonna make the chips himself?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.531992 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dub well somebody got 100 btc.
mircea_popescu: honestly i was expecting to see that bet like 5:1 not 1:10
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01512 = 0.4536 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ;;google bitfury
gribble: BitFury: Home: <http://www.bitfury.org/>; BitFury 110 Gh/s :: BitFury: <http://www.bitfury.org/bitfury110.html>; XC6SLX150 BitStream :: BitFury: <http://www.bitfury.org/xc6slx150.html>
dub: fwiw higher education just means you learned to suck dick
ezdiy: damn easy europeans
deadweasel: they need to drop those things in vegetable oil for cooling.
ezdiy: and their provess at both scamming and technology design lol
mircea_popescu: cooking ?
deadweasel: well, ya learn a lot of things, mostly conditioning
dub: not much in a practical sense
deadweasel: no, not practical, then again I didn't study all that hard either.
ezdiy: mineral oil makes sense if you have a lot of components with thermal surface
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54876 BTC [+]
ezdiy: inb4 avalon aquarium
deadweasel: you could just pump the oil around a little faster
ezdiy: i mean, its not worth the hassle
ezdiy: to have a leak proof tank, pumps, heat exchangers etc, if you can just use fans
deadweasel: well shit
deadweasel: when my bitfury asic gets here, I'm putting a fan on it 0.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16226 @ 0.00068446 = 11.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1163 @ 0.00068706 = 0.7991 BTC [+]
ezdiy: lol
ezdiy: deadweasel: just order the whole 100gh/s fpga rack
ezdiy: submerge it in oil and heat exchange with water in nearby river
ezdiy: you save 3kw on air cooling \o/
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5204 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520324 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ezdiy, wish I could. do you mine?
ezdiy: nah, i was just kinda lampooning their current fpga offering as it is largely outdated atm :)
mircea_popescu: i think ezdiy mostly trolls
ezdiy: i think mp is mostly pedantic nazi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00068706 = 1.3398 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: sorry about the delay ThickAsThieves. i've recently beefed up the security and i think i might have gone too far ;/
mircea_popescu: will be processing asap tho.
dub: I think ezdiy has a calssic case of 'I'm chatting on the internet therefor I know everything'
dub: and also a classic case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01491899 = 0.4476 BTC [+]
dub: if it was trolling, he'd need to be in #bitcoin-trollbox
jborkl_: mtgox down again
ezdiy: dub: well, you _dont_ know?
ezdiy: it's clearly established wisdom of bitcoin community that not knowing implies ignorance
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5484 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]
dub: hey I'm just here to spam #bitcoin-trollbox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00300015 = 3.3002 BTC [+]
ezdiy: figured as much :)
ezdiy: and maybe learn a thing or two about finance in the process
jurov: mircea_popescu i hope you don't beef up the security so far as reptilia
jurov: "I have pretty many coins and I store them with pretty many precautions. By many, I mean that it takes me an approximately 16 hours of my prime work time to do it, and it also does not happen without a considerable monetary cost."
mircea_popescu: not quite.
mircea_popescu: im not as pretty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.01492 = 0.3133 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [+]
jborkl: hmm, all my nodes paused and are acting strage
jborkl: strange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.014925 = 0.8507 BTC [+]
jurov: jborkl: ec2 nodes?
jborkl: all my class 1.2 supernodes
jborkl: lol
jurov: you must check the sauna
mircea_popescu: jborkl there's something afoot on the blockchain.
jurov: but the fork is planned on tomorrow, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.014925 = 1.0448 BTC [+]
jborkl: they are still relaying, but appear to have stopped
mircea_popescu: jurov there's an issue.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea wtf yet.
jurov: hm.. my bitcoinds seem to work normally
jborkl: yes, for sure - my nodes are not working correct as of the last block - the time stamp in bitcoind has stopped also
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.0009 = 0.0108 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think we're forking
mircea_popescu: new bug ?!
jborkl: restarted and now the time stamp is progressing
jurov: where it does show timestamp?
mircea_popescu: jurov stat :D
jurov: http://blockchain.info/rejected shows lots of new stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2557 @ 0.00068733 = 1.7575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13343 @ 0.00068706 = 9.1674 BTC [-]
jurov: don't shit me, bitcoind getinfo is not outputting any timestamp
jurov: pls can anyone explain me what's happening. in full sentences...
jborkl: I am trying to figure it out, have to go home though
ezdiy: ERROR: CScriptCheck() : bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b VerifySignature failed
ezdiy: ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : ConnectInputs failed bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
ezdiy: hm
ezdiy: this can't be good
jborkl: this has to be a fork
mircea_popescu: it's screwed wtf.
ezdiy: my bitcoind claims the sig is invalid
ezdiy: but blockchain info says its ok
ezdiy: but unconfirmed
ezdiy: (im running latest git)
mircea_popescu: ok everyone do not make any further txns until we figure out what the fuck is going on
mircea_popescu: has anyone notified the power rangers yet ?
dub: -dev is silent
jborkl: fuck if you and I notcied right away wtf are they doing
ezdiy: can someone ./bitcoind gettransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
ezdiy: if you have it
ezdiy: then we're screwed
mircea_popescu: jborkl originally i thought i'm fucking it up tbh
ezdiy: as i'm on the other side of fork
jurov: error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}
ezdiy: hm, ok
mod6: eek
jborkl: well mp , obvious but pause my withdrawal until later
ezdiy: jurov: did it get rejected in your debug.log as well?
mircea_popescu: ezdiy i have it on exactly one node
jurov: blockchain.info shows it as unconfirmed
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: yeah, but your node should have rejected it :/
jborkl: transactions are still going through all of my nodes
mircea_popescu: dude i have no idea.
ezdiy: with ConnectInputs failed
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: grep ~/.bitcoin/debug.log for it
mircea_popescu: i don't have ssh for that machine right now
ezdiy: dang
ezdiy: well, lets wait for a bit
jurov: it only says received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80
ezdiy: maybe its just orphaned tx input or something
jurov: nothing else
jborkl: storing orphans like a bitch though
jborkl: all it is doing
mircea_popescu: this is pretty insane
mircea_popescu: it would seem over about a dozen nodes there's something like... 8 diff chains/orphans ?
ezdiy: yep :/
mircea_popescu: wtf we imploded what happened here
TheSeven: ezdiy: bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b non-existant here
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
ezdiy: seems like it
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: we need getrawtransaction of that guy, if possible
TheSeven: CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted bbf6540a80 (poolsz 2531)
TheSeven: received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80
TheSeven: so it seems to be accepted on my node
TheSeven: getrawtransaction returns it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54988 BTC [-]
TheSeven: but of course gettransaction doesn't because it isn't from my wallet
ezdiy: TheSeven: paste
TheSeven: $ bitcoind getrawtransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
TheSeven: 0100000001eb8b5d0d5dd4b4dd61d9737d82f63d24c34aa55587d0e4a7605aa230120e91fb000000008a4730440220c309d71f3b8cbafce79d7ab2afde11c16d8f566f2d1e375b305df621ec0d9f230220c073cfa2018bee371bd4f771730368d66762628093f5d1922123c7938681fd0d014104b7b6fcff33b2233c8ca607390f951e845865088a26264a291ffcea2d67bcccfc0dee3e2f906f6feeedea3d2fcf563f5d5c1a7e76a621b8fb659ad9865f2eefeeffffffff010008af2f000000001976a9147b6746f308567c7d5e7ac79bb79412339952514888ac0
TheSeven: 0000000
TheSeven: this is a 0.8.1 node
TheSeven: ok, moving this over to #bitcoin-dev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00068274 = 5.3936 BTC [-]
ezdiy: the hour-or-so gap points to FUD campaign imo
mircea_popescu: i thought that was fixed months ago
ezdiy: though hourly block gaps happen for innocent reasons too
mircea_popescu: maybe i misunderstood something
ezdiy: all pools unlucky -> lots of rejected txes because of DER sig rules -> FUD
ezdiy: you can s/all pools unlucky/all pools dosed somehow/
mircea_popescu: ezdiy was your tx ber'd ?
ezdiy: yep, all the broken txes seem to have nonstandard sigs under 0.8.2
mircea_popescu: did you send it from armory actually ?
ezdiy: no idea, i'm just looking at debug.log
ezdiy: there was apparently some split brain scenario during the time there were no new blocks mined
mircea_popescu: my dept of technology & paranoia is not happy with the sig explanation.
ezdiy: as you can send tx on of another one in mempool
ezdiy: *on top
ezdiy: not much so when half of network rejects it in mempool though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.269 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;difchange
gribble: Error: "difchange" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;diffchange
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 18.95114 % based on data since last change | 17.0779 % based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 13307370.2306 based on data since last change | 13097805.7081 based on data for last three days
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 53 seconds
dub: ;;nethash
gribble: 93759.1759279
dub: shit oh dear
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: yeah, there was a hour-or-so gap
mircea_popescu: which block is gribble on
dub: That Escalated Quickly
dub: ;;block
gribble: Error: "block" is not a valid command.
dub: ;;blockhieght
gribble: Error: "blockhieght" is not a valid command.
dub: ;;blocks
gribble: 236070
mircea_popescu: ya but which
mircea_popescu: 0000000000000133f6f3a4750a atop 0000000000000045aeb20b5d64 ?
jurov: yes blockhain.info shows these two most recent
mircea_popescu: i guess no fork just some funky reorg then ?
ezdiy: no reorg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.014925 = 0.5522 BTC [+]
ezdiy: look at blockchain info, there was *over a hour* gap between blocks
ezdiy: pools simply were unlucky/dosed
jurov: and people who use 0.8.2 from git see the tx rejected
mircea_popescu: no cauyse there were orphaned block in between
ezdiy: jurov: until its accepted in the block by 0.8.1 miner
ezdiy: then even 0.8.2 accepts it
ezdiy: or at least it should
jurov: ezdiy yes, it got accepted now
jurov: but no orphaned blocks afaik
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01512 = 0.635 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm confused.
ezdiy: you're btc-e kiddo and can ddos pools
ezdiy: 0.8.2 implements weird rule
ezdiy: whatya do to create price wave to ride it? :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: any pool actually say they're ddosed yet ?
ezdiy: (i highly doubt its was just an innocent coincidence, as the chances are <1% of block gap occuring so conveniently)
mircea_popescu: not heard anything.
ezdiy: yeah, that'd confirm my speculation
dub: guild's website was down yesterday
ezdiy: short ddoses go unnoticed often though
mircea_popescu: 1hr is not short.
mircea_popescu: for a pool.
ezdiy: most miners have it setup to switch pools when one is down
ezdiy: of course it's false sense of security, just ddos all the pools commonly used lol
ezdiy: (btw, p2pool is suspected to have high stale rate because you can tie individual miners/hashpower to certain ips)
ezdiy: in that sense, pools are useful they shield individual miners from direct attacks
mircea_popescu: tjhat just shows how dysfunctional the entire p2p model is.
ezdiy: well, better said naive implementation of p2p
mircea_popescu: in other words cheap.
gribble: Time since last block: 11 minutes and 35 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;blocks
gribble: 236072
mircea_popescu: i see two chains.
mircea_popescu: one's on 236071 16 mins ago
mircea_popescu: the other no wait
mircea_popescu: ok there's some connectivity weirdness
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.014925 = 0.5224 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;blockas
gribble: Error: "blockas" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;blocks
gribble: 236074
mircea_popescu: so slush just mined an empty block ?
mircea_popescu: and it came in within 30 seconds of 236073 ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: how do you figure ?
ezdiy: block with no transactions
ezdiy: but slush is signed in coinbase if you click at txid
ezdiy: means his bitcoind must have been somehow convinced there were no txes *at all*
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549978 = 3.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549978 = 6.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549979 = 3.1 BTC [+]
ezdiy: or maybe just broken code, who knows
ezdiy: the downside of central models :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549979 = 6.1999 BTC [+]
optimator: ezdiy: when a new block is found the pool code pushes work out with no txs. it does this while it builds the new merkle root. that way the miners have work immediately
optimator: and on the off chance someone solves it everyone is rewarded
ezdiy: optimator: not most optimal solution then, though :/
ezdiy: i'm surprised theres no bloody murder scream from users about 1-tx blocks
optimator: we'll it's beyond a long shot - within seconds new work is pushed with transactions. Otherwise the miners would be working on work for a block that had already been solved
ezdiy: yeah
optimator: s/we'll/well
ezdiy: but the underlying idea is only greed
ezdiy: it profits only the miners, not users
ezdiy: s/profits/benefits/
optimator: i see it as rewarding them for their work on the network
ezdiy: optimator: no, the merkle root should be updated continuously by slush
ezdiy: not when new block arrives
ezdiy: thats just being lazy, to the detriment of users
ezdiy: this is why hasprevblock is separate after all
optimator: it doesn't work that way. The block height is incorporated into the hash function. So you can know what to push unless you know the block you are working on
ezdiy: you, you have to re-verify txes which use same utxos as the txes in newly arrived block
optimator: imagine a queue that you are pushing new txs on. You keep building it up, but when a new block is found the queueu is emptied
ezdiy: but you *dont* have to to verify sigs again
ezdiy: => its crazy fast
ezdiy: i call lazy
ezdiy: optimator: yes, thats how it works and why slush pushes empty merkle for the mean time
ezdiy: until he re-verifies everything
ezdiy: optimator: this is probably something to be fixed in bitcoind, though :(
ezdiy: so people dont invent crazy hacks to prevent stales
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00068274 = 1.5362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00068122 = 5.8585 BTC [-]
optimator: ezdiy: yes, in bitcoind. It's can be 300 ms to get the new tx list
ezdiy: or much more if youre clever to push lots of utxos which will seek all through 6gb
ezdiy: imagine 1000 utxos, each spaced at 4mb boundary
ezdiy: spinning drives will go crazy :/
ezdiy: not to mention slow ecdsa verify
ezdiy: optimator: the trick is, when new block arrives, you just remove txes which are in it from your mempool (no verify needed, no seeks needed) and recompute merkle
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]
optimator: ezdiy: yeah, maybe. I think you are coming at it from the bitcoind level and I'm coming at it from the json-rpc level
ezdiy: well, i see why its done like its done
ezdiy: because simple flush-and-redo is much simpler to implement
ezdiy: carefully pruning the outdated utxos must be written from scratch :(
optimator: plus you'd have to get the new block because you don't know what txs were included in it
ezdiy: well, its like
ezdiy: you get new block, and look at inputs of all transactions in there
ezdiy: and just 1:1 compare with your mempool, if possible - the general case is lots of those will be same
ezdiy: the rest must be verified of course
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
optimator: sure - 300 ms to getblock, compare, and recalc
ezdiy: but the ones you found in your mempool are already verified, because you do that whenever they arrive in your mempool
ezdiy: optimator: i think some json api for pools would be in order
ezdiy: um, nah
ezdiy: getblock is enough, just make it faster/longpoll
benkay: her mircea do you have a link on hand to your piece commenting on monetary sterilization"
mircea_popescu: benkay which one is that ?
benkay: found it
benkay: ms warren 'stepping on it'
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0151 = 0.1208 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01512 = 0.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm mobile but did mpex withdrawals not go out yet?
ThickAsThieves: wallet says no
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves read up the history, we've had some excitement.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm putting it off to string of extremely unlikely coincidences.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014925 = 0.0448 BTC [+]
jborkl: Don_Popescu
jborkl: lol good name for you
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 17 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 93934.6414104
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 236085 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1802 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13424353.8156 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.99683
ThickAsThieves: so i skimmed, but essentially we have a weird empty block, likely malicious intent, and possible fork?
thestringpuller: Mr. Popescu.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.01512 = 0.8921 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.014925 = 0.7463 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah there was a 1hr+ pause just as the new bitcoind changed signature rules making it look like a multifork
mircea_popescu: on top of some internal stuff
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: can i still be mad at devs?
mircea_popescu: im not sure they did anything wrong.
mircea_popescu: the sigrule kinda had to be tightened.
ThickAsThieves: aww even mp tells me to drop the pitchfork
mircea_popescu: i mean it looked fucking weird as all hell for a coupla hours there, but...
mircea_popescu: funk. it occurs.
asciilifeform: if anybody's been wondering what a 51%/doublespend trigger pull will look like: it will look exactly like this.
asciilifeform: a whimper, not a bang.
asciilifeform: doesn't change the fact of the newly-perforated meat, though
ThickAsThieves: so if i look up my wallet on blockchain
ThickAsThieves: it shows 1 tx i was expecting
ThickAsThieves: but not the other
ThickAsThieves: if look from within my wallet
ThickAsThieves: i see the other
ThickAsThieves: but not the 1st one
ThickAsThieves: this is via blockchain.info
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 247 @ 0.014925 = 3.6865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 553 @ 0.00295421 = 1.6337 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: okay i closed and reopened and all is well now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2898 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much everyone is having trouble with the 8.2 duality.
asciilifeform: and don't make the mistake of thinking that all is well just because the universe looks as expected through your particular peephole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the world is made of probabilities not certainties.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Captain (Admiral?) obvious
asciilifeform: the probability of the "doublespend ring of sauron" falling into human hands is close to 1.
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: i think actual 51% past this point is an impossibility
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: look at you stabilizing dat pric
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reasoning is that basically bitcoin is a sort of morphism on the fiat world, and i am pretty convinced by now that the 51% attack is the local equivalent of the market cornering problem.
asciilifeform: 51% is difficult, yes, but quite possible to do. and to do undetectably.
asciilifeform: I described several "easy" recipes as to how, at one point.
asciilifeform: at this point, the objective wouldn't necessarily be a straightforward monetary one, but to drive people to questionable altchains
asciilifeform: all you really need to push (at least some of) the lemmings over the edge is to induce enough protocol weirdness
mircea_popescu: it's not possible to do.
asciilifeform: you might not even need a strict 51% for that
mircea_popescu: it apperars possible to do, but only in static representations of reality
mircea_popescu: much like cornering markets appears possible to do in static representations of reality.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.53004, Best ask: 117.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.41995, Last trade: 117.53002, 24 hour volume: 26422.96173181, 24 hour low: 114.50020, 24 hour high: 118.88000, 24 hour vwap: 117.07249
asciilifeform: this is like saying that a bullet hole is no big problem so long as the wound mostly closes back up after the bullet exits.
mircea_popescu: zero impact, for that matter. the lemmings aren't in this channel. they will never know today happened
mircea_popescu: for that matter, they don't trust themselves enough to believe their eyes. if respected people don't say there's a problem, there's no problem.
mircea_popescu: im not sure i follow that bullet analogy
asciilifeform: the idea is that temporary disruptions can have permanent effect
mircea_popescu: well if it's a stochastic process, prolly.
asciilifeform: see 'goxlag' etc
mircea_popescu: i still need to see someone argue convincingly that goxlag is bad for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: it's horible for gox, and esopecxially so for gox investors. so ?
asciilifeform: not even considering that, if what we just saw was the echo of an actual double spend, it is entirely possible that somebody just sucked out N BTC out of the aether
asciilifeform: there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect
mircea_popescu: lik that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 235 @ 0.014925 = 3.5074 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: the link appears to talk about a traditional wallet heist
mircea_popescu: through 2fa ?
asciilifeform: AFAIK mtgox uses usb widgets for 2fa
asciilifeform: perhaps our friend left his plugged in, and it can be actuated through software in some undocumented way (rather than pressing the switch)
asciilifeform: or, likely, it has a firmware upgrade endpoint (most usb devices do, whether documented or not.)
asciilifeform: a USB thumb drive from virtually any manufacturer, for instance, does
mircea_popescu: right, what io'm sauying is, this is a working prototype
mircea_popescu: n btc sucked into the aether
asciilifeform: not into or from the aether, but into a more clever man's pocket, from a chump's.
asciilifeform: BTC was conserved.
mircea_popescu: well a 51% attack wouldn't generate btc.
asciilifeform: true, it will generate a Bezzle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.522746 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1400 @ 0.000666 = 0.9324 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: AFAIK, how quickly the bezzle dissolves will depend on how long the attack can be maintained.
mircea_popescu: nope. it'll do exactly the same thing as mtgox lieing about "hacks"
asciilifeform: yes, if your fractional reserve hypothesis is correct
mircea_popescu: listen. suppose you actually have the tech to own yubikeys
asciilifeform: (that is, the total of all people storing N btc on gox do not actually have access to N btc)
mircea_popescu: and let's presume for a moment you have no better use for it than btc.
mircea_popescu: which is insane, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: NOW what you do with this ion cannon is steal random 4 btc wallet ?
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be born last night to actually believe this.
asciilifeform: every ion cannon has to be fired at a diseased goat during development
mircea_popescu: if indeed this was an attack able to cut through their (braindead) 2fa implementation
mircea_popescu: 90% of thje top accounts would be hit simultaneously.
asciilifeform: occam's razor suggests that our chump lied about using 2fa
mircea_popescu: no, it does not have to be.
asciilifeform: or that mtgox has a session remanence bug
mircea_popescu: the chump has no history of lieing
mircea_popescu: mtgox does.
asciilifeform: probably the culprit then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.2898 = 4.347 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be the first website
mircea_popescu: fuck me. the idea of a website is ridiculous
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you evil tempter, you just made me want to transfer btc to mtgox just to buy their yubikey.
mircea_popescu: but it wouldn't be the first website with a broken 2fa implementation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43551 = 0.871 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: also remember that chumps have a tendency to lie to themselves
mircea_popescu: anuyay, getting back to it. the branch was off
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect
asciilifeform: and to blame their betters when their world burns
mircea_popescu: now, returning there : how many times ?
asciilifeform: damned if I know how many times. how many people would even admit that this happened to them, if it had
mircea_popescu: see, but it'd seem to me you readily argue both ends of this rope.
asciilifeform: one more observation: yubi works by emulating usb keyboard. which makes for a very simple man in the middle, esp. if you press the button an extra time.
asciilifeform: or if the switch has bounce
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone actually visited the guy's apartment
mircea_popescu: for the simple reason that if anyone ever did most of the us would be so very much less lonely.
asciilifeform: nobody had to, but a trojan
mircea_popescu: that good a trojan ?
asciilifeform: I study trojans for money. Most BTC botnets, for example, are quite pitiful (a handful of GH/sec.)
asciilifeform: the author has little control over who will be infected
asciilifeform: all he has is hope, that some of the chumps will own high-end ATI cards, etc
asciilifeform: so it is entirely conceivable that a yubikey-enabled gox diddler exists but has managed to infect only paupers
mircea_popescu: i have yet to see any indication of such wonder in practice.
asciilifeform: not that I believe the linked thread to be evidence of such, mind you
asciilifeform: my only argument, really, is that btc as we know it is a soft target, and that life will become considerably more interesting once the truly competent people take an interest in playing.
optimator: it's hard to assess to validity of any claim, but there is a common factor between her story and this one - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soft but soft in the sense of amoeba
mircea_popescu: or gribble colony
optimator: both had their wallet.dat on truecrypt
mircea_popescu: optimator the reason girl said anything/i'm leading some credence to the claim of 2fa is because this isn't the first case i've heard.
asciilifeform: an amoeba colony, but in a public toilet, waiting for the janitor and his chlorine.
optimator: MITM attack, or just bad random seed for 2fa?
asciilifeform: truecrypt in particular is trivially broken on a compromised machine.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.015 = 0.255 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I used a random 64 character ASCII character password from this site for my truecrypt password.
mircea_popescu: that may have been sniffed maybe >?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01512 = 0.1966 BTC [+]
optimator: maybe, https with EV certificate
optimator: gox has EV cert making MITM seem unlikely
asciilifeform: optimator: have you personally gone through the trusted public cert store in your browser/OS?
optimator: but I agree I like my own entropy over someone else's - I like my own brand :)
optimator: asciilifeform: no - and it kinda freaks me out. I think SSL cert authentication through a PKI is a gapping hole
asciilifeform: SSL is a joke by design.
mircea_popescu: actually this is interesting
mircea_popescu: because of the change issue. wallet.dat was stolen
asciilifeform: btw there is never any real need to steal wallet.dat. all you need to do is patch bitcoind (or whatever) on the disk so that it sends everything to address X when you finally key in the passphrase.
optimator: mircea_popescu: it's very interesting - I like the conclusion of the time the wallet was stolen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoind is such a mess it'd be easier to make a million dollars being a janitor.
asciilifeform: as far as the world could tell (even if you log all the packets coming out of your home) it will look like you voluntarily donated your stash to X.
mircea_popescu: "I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes."
mircea_popescu: always funny when people with 85 ltc speak of the masses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe me (or not, your choice) this is actually very, very easy.
asciilifeform: this <- patching bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: "In fact, scratch the social engineering, you don't need to convince someone to run your .exe if you can just run your .exe for them via a Java drive-by attack, and admit it, you've left Java installed for extended periods of time, even if you try to keep it uninstalled normally."
mircea_popescu: people actually still use java ?!
mircea_popescu: "I know I've found this one thing that I just have to download and install Java for, then totally forget or put off uninstalling it afterwards, many a time."
optimator: mircea_popescu: 85 * 3.12 = wealth for the masses
asciilifeform: some people have jre installed for wurk, etc
asciilifeform: and some people shit in their kitchen, yes
mircea_popescu: on an actual machine ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 76 @ 0.01493999 = 1.1354 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 258 @ 0.01494 = 3.8545 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: you'd be surprised
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: jre is just a well-known egregous case. drive-bys are regularly discovered in just about every consumer browser
mircea_popescu: but what the fuck for, seriously.
asciilifeform: *egregious
asciilifeform: my other point is that btc ups the ante for working on hard targets as well as soft ones. you can do some very nice MITM with a compromised router, for instance.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01512 = 0.4082 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I figured if I was ever the victim of a wallet stealing program, implementing a dummy in the default location would fool it and upload it, rather than my real one, to the attackers choice, but I was wrong."
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give me an example.
asciilifeform: re: btc specifically?
optimator: ah - the empty-wallet-fake-em-out security measure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re your router mitm
mircea_popescu: optimator not sure why people imagine machines locate items by name
asciilifeform: feel free to interpret my silence as proof that I'm full of shit, but personally I'm rather fond of living.
mircea_popescu: Used bitcoin-qt and litecoin-qt. For the wallets, those encryption passwords were from memory. The truecrypt password, I always copied and pasted the password from a text file, on a USB drive, inside a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, totaling 3 different password protected rars to reach the .txt file.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck designed this process ;/
mircea_popescu: anyway, thanks optimator, most entertaining link
dub: I have to run 8 year old java versions
asciilifeform: I'll mention one example from places far away. In certain countries, doctored root certs are routinely placed into default ms-windows installs wherever possible.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it has anything to do with the 2fa mtgox issue but anyway
dub: several different ones
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ideea is, suppose i pass all my traffic through your controlled relay
asciilifeform: then, mass MITM of gmail, etc
mircea_popescu: a linux box, rather than a router, for convenience.
mircea_popescu: so now what ?
dub: almost every ssl cert in this environment is self signed and long epired
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549899 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: now you go to a site with routinely botched ssl, like mtgox (at least in the recent past), and then click "what the hell" when your browser complains
dub: such is corplife
asciilifeform: alternatively, a drive-by is used to make your machine click "yes" for you.
optimator: asciilifeform: don't forget this approach to compromising ssl sercurity - https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/sjs/how-the-nokia-browser-decrypts-ssl-traffic-a-man-in-the-client/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except i never use a site over https anyway
mircea_popescu: dub sux to be you bro.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, the girls calculate RSA signatures for you with paper and pencil
asciilifeform: or ought to
dub: you'll find the same thing at most f500's
mircea_popescu: why do they need to calculate rsa or wut ?
asciilifeform: to sign mpex messages?
mircea_popescu: mpex is http
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: pgp over http (or, someday, over pigeon?)
mircea_popescu: well yes
mircea_popescu: you hadn't noticed ?!
asciilifeform: as it should be. but if a PC is involved, you might run into strange one day
mircea_popescu: "x86 virtualization is about basically placing another nearly full kernel, full of new bugs, on top of a nasty x86 architecture which barely has correct page protection."
mircea_popescu: great quote that.
asciilifeform: did I write that?
mircea_popescu: "Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes."
mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking, is this our d friend ?
asciilifeform: ok, wasn't me this time. but "I approve of this message (tm)"
asciilifeform: vm escapes run the spectrum from the apocalyptic to the "it always worked this way and we don't give a fuck"
asciilifeform: example of the latter: many (most?) xen installs let you set the virtual nic card into promiscuous mode if you root one running os
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54995 = 4.6499 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so what's the point of virtualization then
asciilifeform: so you can rent a "server" to chumps without actually using one up
asciilifeform: it is like fractional reserve banking for the hosting business.
asciilifeform: some machine architectures (ibm mainframes) had virtualization baked in in an intelligent way, vs. the x86 retrofit
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54998 = 7.7499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.55 = 31 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but in the pc world it is used as an attempt to paper over the fact that the os sucks
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.55 = 46.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.59444 = 7.9722 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.5999 = 30.3981 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is not a bug as much as a hosting feature
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.67 = 10.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.6799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it not only lets you sell the same machine many times, but passes the security buck to the chump: "oh, you got rooted? your fault, should have patched yourself"
mircea_popescu: "TC gives you a false sense of security so its worse than no partition encryption."
mircea_popescu: this may actuallty be true
asciilifeform: this is deeply and profoundly true.
mircea_popescu: my impression of the general truecrypt population is that they're not particularly more secure than average
mircea_popescu: just more preocupied with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01494 = 1.494 BTC [+]
optimator: asciilifeform: doesn't it work if you start with the base as the secure OS. Then virtualize your browsing OS, virtualize your bitcoind OS, virtualize your banking OS, but the base is secure
ezdiy: the more the tunnel vision, the more blind spots for obvious stuff
asciilifeform: optimator: if the virtualization scheme has an escape (or even just leaks info) you're just as fucked
asciilifeform: for instance, AFAIK most x86 virtualization setups leak info through the tlb cache (timing)
optimator: assuming the base has been compromised, or our you suggesting the base could become compromised through a virtualized OS
asciilifeform: the latter.
optimator: how?
asciilifeform: and if you find a fresh one, I do hope you have better sense than to tell us.
optimator: well fuck
mircea_popescu: actually... there's an update to the story.
asciilifeform: gotta love the advice to file a police report
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.01494 = 0.4781 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: totallyu.
asciilifeform: "my house was raided by interstellar bandits, and they took my TV set to alpha centauri." - "please file a police report."
asciilifeform: someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform read on, she catches on.
asciilifeform: wait a sec, this was your camgirl ?
asciilifeform: the very same?
mircea_popescu: "Edit2: I was finally able to log into my account and found an API key with full rights to everything. I never made one, wtf does this mean?"
mircea_popescu: basically this is a stolen session
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of, the one with the daytrading.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01525 = 0.122 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: the proper course of action in a case like this is to 1) publish a (sanitized) image of your hdd and 2) perform manly seppuku if necessary
optimator: "If mircea trusts me with BTC I cant be too much of a fuckup." optimator wipes tear
asciilifeform: the whining is disappointing
mircea_popescu: eh you lot are just mean.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01525 = 1.6013 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: what, just because she's a girl?
mircea_popescu: anyway, as you say. mtgox does not talk to yubikey, it talks to teh computor.
asciilifeform: perhaps consumers should be encouraged rather than discouraged in their belief that their pc is alive and is inhabited by devils.
mircea_popescu: i don't think she actually understood before what sessions are and how they work
inhies: boobs
asciilifeform: it is rather like, most people are only vaguely aware that they have livers, until the shot rings out and there is an extra bodily orifice suddenly present.
optimator: asciilifeform: my vote for best laugh tonight
mircea_popescu: imo sessions are this idiocy from hell.
asciilifeform: the whole pc orchestra (incl. but not limited to wintel) is idiocy from hell.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is worse.
mircea_popescu: actually tbh the "logged in" concept, rested on supposed sessionization of a stateless protocol is, imo, the most ridiculous idea of mankind to date.
mircea_popescu: female circumcision makes comparatively a lot more sense.
asciilifeform: but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes)
optimator: convenience
mircea_popescu: i mean when it was originally introduced it was like... fuck this shit, nobody cares, it's for some blog.
mircea_popescu: "how bad can it get" etc.
asciilifeform: my point, though, is that even if you dispense with the convenience of sessions and go the full-bore "hair shirt" with a paper one-time-pad or whatnot, a compromised machine is still a compromised machine.
mircea_popescu: well... apparently it can get pretty bad.
optimator: wasn't it all? I mean what could go wrong with a local hosts file?
mircea_popescu: very true
mircea_popescu: i guess in the competition for "worst idea to date" they're all winners.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.675 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the one common idea here is that keeping one's money in a public toilet is a Bad Thing.
mircea_popescu: esp if your money smells
mircea_popescu: worse than the toilet
dub: but.. thats where I spend it?
mircea_popescu: i thought that;'s where you made it.
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to make a new tcp/ip stack
mircea_popescu: one that crypts natively
mircea_popescu: basically a sort of otr for ip
asciilifeform: on a new machine architecture, that crypts ram/disk natively, and a number of other essentials...
dub: call it bittoken ring
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah
mircea_popescu: ideally your machine would come with a one disk onetimepad
mircea_popescu: 1tb or w/e worth of it.
mod6: that'd be pretty cool
mircea_popescu: throw it out when done
asciilifeform: except that phrasing the problem as a failure to encrypt is misleading
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no it's not. identity is cryptity.
asciilifeform: well yes
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01525 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but when you routinely unearth the plaintext onto potentially-compromised hardware, you are shitting in your kitchen
mircea_popescu: the problem quite fundamentally is a pretense to have identity outside of cryptography
mircea_popescu: no such thing is possible.
asciilifeform: recall the story by your PR girl?
mircea_popescu: anything pretending to exist outside of a cryptographic identity is living in a state of sin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which one ?
optimator: mircea_popescu: trust, you have to start somewhere
mircea_popescu: optimator no but look, the very notion of identity, ie, the possibility to distinguish X from Adam
mircea_popescu: rests strictly on some form of encryption.
mircea_popescu: but i mean *strictly*.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a yes
asciilifeform: and, of course, the grandfather of them all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cold_Equations
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.00285 = 2.85 BTC [-]
optimator: mircea_popescu: yes, but all predicated on trust - even WoT has issues scaling
mircea_popescu: what issues specifically ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.01525 = 1.891 BTC [+]
optimator: the further you are away from x+1 the less trust you can have
optimator: how do I know my banking site is *really* my banking site
mircea_popescu: because they sign your slip with their signature.
asciilifeform: what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html
optimator: how do I get their public key?
mircea_popescu: optimator you exchange keys when you start your relationship
mircea_popescu: you give them yours they give you theirs as part of account opening
optimator: right. x+1
asciilifeform: you are trusting the work of ten thousand people (some of whom think your flesh is rather tasty) when you ask it to represent the world to your eyes and act on your behalf.
mircea_popescu: optimator for some reason i don't see the problem you see ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.0153 = 0.9486 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: imagine if someone were to "root" your eyes and your hands.
mircea_popescu: "Participants in the DRM debate implicitly hold the view that the ownership of your operating system, your personal information, and your media is a complex, joint relationship between you, your operating system vendor, the authors of the applications you run, and the owners of any media that pass through that application. Prevailing wisdom is that the way any given software behaves should be jointly determined by all
mircea_popescu: these parties, factoring in all their interests, and that the argument is simply a matter of degree: who should be given how much control, and by what mechanism."
mircea_popescu: lmao good one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 188 @ 0.0153 = 2.8764 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: only an american could actually think this.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01544 = 0.772 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0155 = 0.31 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: "The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it."
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's anything of the sort.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a computer is clearly defined.
mircea_popescu: the chinese may make plaster things which on the surface look like computers
mircea_popescu: and try to inject tyhem into trade as combuders or w/e
mircea_popescu: this has no bearing.
mircea_popescu: a computer is a computer.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0153 BTC [-]
optimator: following the example... if I want to transfer money via wire to another bank, then my bank establishes a relationship with bank b. I trust the key exchange has worked. Bank b is X+2. For X-n the WoT breaks down
mircea_popescu: optimator if you transfer money via wire you send it to your bank with instructions
mircea_popescu: they send it to their correspondent with instructions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, but the false implication is that someone, somewhere on Planet 3 can actually buy a computer. in actual fact, they can only buy a "combuder."
mircea_popescu: nobody promoted you to the job of wire central clearance house.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't seem to have much trouble buying a computer
optimator: no that's where I *trust*
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I sincerely hope you're joking
mircea_popescu: your objections re x86 architecture aside
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0153 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the fact that one can still hack banks to this day is proof enough
optimator: how about firmware signed with their public key. I have to trust they exchanged it with A who exchanged it with B that finally gets to me
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0159 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: optimator so ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact that all of your assets appear to be roughly where they are supposed to be is proof only of your good fortune.
optimator: What is it does A->B->c->D and c is the bad guy?
mircea_popescu: optimator recently we've had some practical testing of this.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.0153 = 1.2852 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you can to this day send orders to mpex via proxies no matter how dirty.
mircea_popescu: the most they can do is relay.
asciilifeform: banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps.
asciilifeform: btc is where the cold equations meet your skin up close and personal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you read that excellent piece re base vs acid ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
optimator: asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer to the customers as chumps
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0159 = 1.113 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in general commerce has always worked on the basis of reconciliation
asciilifeform: no serious surprise here
optimator: mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't think you can tell. You simple have trusted others in the chain
mircea_popescu: optimator so ?
mircea_popescu: just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean the world can work on your paradigm.
ThickAsThieves: TAT.ASICMINER just passed S.MPOE for all time sales volume on BTCT.co
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0159 = 0.4611 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: trust is central to society, and to the continuation of teh species.
asciilifeform: so far, whenever banks get burned, ultimately some nice fellows with printing presses (or automatic weapons, if need be) show up to make them whole again.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01495 = 0.7475 BTC [+]
optimator: ha! idk, i just see it as an issue - maybe just me - sure
mircea_popescu: optimator i don't even mean you personally
asciilifeform: btc is the first step into the fun world of interstellar commerce, where fuckups are between you and your gods to cry over
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, a relationship of trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so good for you.
asciilifeform: anyone who cried over the ending of "shall be delivered" (http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/) hasn't really made peace with the cold equations yet.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01615 = 2.4225 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: "who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01615 = 0.4038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 448 @ 0.01495 = 6.6976 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01615 = 0.3069 BTC [+]
KRS-1: Zzzzzzzzzz somebody do something
KRS-1: I'm about to go back to forex
asciilifeform: recall the fellow in MP's comments who implied that secure systems were used by banks to secure "trillion dollar transactions" ?
asciilifeform: trillion dollar transactions in fiat are secured via "Ultima Ratio Regum."
asciilifeform: in btc, we will need actual mechanical security.
KRS-1: what was gox volume this time last year
optimator: oh geez, I just got sucked into Tildeā€™s story
optimator: broken trust
optimator: but I say that with a :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]
optimator: so on to happier thoughts
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.675 = 3.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.69 = 10.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01615 = 0.0969 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol this irs/teaparty thing is going great.
mircea_popescu: i think putin is loling hard atm.
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