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lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
diana_coman: neata mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: salut!
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: Sent 9 hours and 8 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AoJ53/?raw=true << asciilifeform's attempt, after you went, ftr.
mp_en_viaje: mmmkay.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 << getting some slack in the logging process is probably quite useful at this point.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 05:46 lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
mp_en_viaje: in vaguely related lulz : bimbo's lappy's internets are broken. so i bought her an usb dongle. item pops up as a stick, containing (of course), autorun.exe. and also a list of contents, somewjere in tjere, which tells us there's a "Linux" directory for linux users.
mp_en_viaje: wherein is a text file : "for linux users, please download the driver for your system from our website".
mp_en_viaje: THIS is the fucking legacy of these morons. "fame and influence".
mp_en_viaje: fucking bullshit. i wasn't on the
mp_en_viaje: "board" of bitcoin, and it turned out it doesn't fucking matter -- fame and influence beats any "board" conceivable.
mp_en_viaje: if, of course, IF you're willing to use them and know how to use them. if, in other words, you have fame and influence FOR MERIT, rather than by accident/.
mp_en_viaje: which is the whole fucking problem.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly, the thing seems a case of "well, we've been doing nothing in particular for a decade or so, it should be good enough".
mp_en_viaje: nobody can help the devitalized.
mp_en_viaje: "what do you think about Elbrus?" inane bs. ye olde habit of sitting on ass and talking things, while waiting patiently for world to come to his terms. whatever, epiphenomena of overabundance.
mp_en_viaje: by the way -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567072 << who wants to do this ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:58 mircea_popescu: (likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc)
mp_en_viaje: it's high fucking time we got off ass ; why is republican primary dns system something we're paying money to empire for ? why is the correct alternative in teh minority ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-29 15:39 asciilifeform: i'ma guess diana_coman is using mircea_popescu's method. canhaz the current ip, diana_coman plox ?
mp_en_viaje: this is a ridoinculous state of affairs ; as the wolf found sharpening his teeth told the inquiring mind, "i sharpen them now that i have no one to fight, because when i'll have someone to fight i won't have the time for it".
mp_en_viaje: who wants to do the tmsr dns ? jurov ? mod6 ? Mocky maybe ? mats ?
mp_en_viaje: we're just about at a point where we're ripe for addressin gthe interesting bootstrapping problems that it raises.
mp_en_viaje: moreover, we'll prolly greatly benefit fro mwatching this particular v tree at work.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-24 15:26 mircea_popescu: speaking of federation and stuff : hey spyked phf ben_vulpes : how much trouble would it be to log every channel in every network over 50 users ? item shouldn't be publicly exposed, but as a fullsearch query (say limited from l1). something like !Xircs "naked sluts" nin?s returning all the lines matching, in a paste encrypted to caller.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 15:34 mircea_popescu: who was talking to networks besides mod6 btw ? did undernet say anything ?
mp_en_viaje: a) who's doing the mega-logger ? i suppose i should quietly merge it into http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 ; give him a taste of "0, 1, infinity" especially as it works when everyone's sitting on ass "what's your opinion on this thing i read about on wikipedia", ie "every one turns into an infinity", huh.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 05:46 lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, can you do that ? make your logger 1) log ~every irc channel over 50 users~, 2) produce this data upon request by a lord only, and for pay ?
mp_en_viaje: aaand b) who's working on the ircd federating thing ? specifically as described in http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 and then sporadically discussed throughout march, but in the intolerable "techrights" manner of discussing things.
mp_en_viaje: phf, what are you doing these days ?
mp_en_viaje: specifically, do you want to pick up that b or would you rather save yourself for something really painful and gnarly, probably to do with "recuperate the x / opengl stack and write me a better blender replacement" ?
mp_en_viaje: ave1, you dead baby ? what's going on with you ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile : /me shall be back later today ; and the plan's for settled operations to resume next week. enough en_viaje-ing for a while!
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform I'm looking for a machine to use as experimentation-ground for all sorts of republican software (e.g. cuntoo, logbot); my rockchip fine as it is at doing its blog-hosting job, turns out to be essentially the wrong architecture for this sort of use so I need something else; what can Pizarro offer (even in medium term, it's not something burning)?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, prolly hanbot's ex-machine keks
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: lol
mp_en_viaje shall bbl yet again!
mp_en_viaje: ~nothing changed whatsoever!
mp_en_viaje: but anyways, i shall bbl yet again!
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:05 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, can you do that ? make your logger 1) log ~every irc channel over 50 users~, 2) produce this data upon request by a lord only, and for pay ?
diana_coman: does #trilema even have 50 users? lolz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910420 << lol i was in there also last yr and was , well, entirely same, like tutankhamon's tomb
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910386 << iirc i mentioned this yr+ ago, ~0 of the commonly sold 802.11-whatever dongles , work under any form of linux ( the kind where you throw in binariola from ??? cn www , i will not include in category 'linux' ... )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:14 mp_en_viaje: wherein is a text file : "for linux users, please download the driver for your system from our website".
asciilifeform: i have 1 that worx -- but bought in 2004.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc even there, had to hand-patch the module sores so it'd reset properly )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910392 << i tried and then failed to unearth some evidence that they at some point had done anyffin
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:33 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly, the thing seems a case of "well, we've been doing nothing in particular for a decade or so, it should be good enough".
asciilifeform: ( i.e. apparently they lose to catv, which long ago produced almost a linux distro of sorts )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910401 << how to handle log links on e.g. blog, such that heathen-loadable tho. ( naked ip, and s/old/new when changes ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:45 mp_en_viaje: we're just about at a point where we're ripe for addressin gthe interesting bootstrapping problems that it raises.
asciilifeform: ( or -- alternatively -- 'gateway' www , where e.g., http://foo.bar/btcbase.org/log , and hook all of our heathen dns records to point to said box, or a constellation of same ? )
asciilifeform: iirc there was actually a mircea_popescu design doc re subj, but for some reason cannot find it nao in O(1)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910410 << i dunthink anyone's begun it , just yet
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:07 mp_en_viaje: aaand b) who's working on the ircd federating thing ? specifically as described in http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 and then sporadically discussed throughout march, but in the intolerable "techrights" manner of discussing things.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform posed the q recently, and nuffin came out )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-16 15:40 asciilifeform wonders re status of the 'escape from fleanode' proj..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910415 << diana_coman would dulap-style box suffice ? there is one. ( mp_en_viaje pointed out downthread, same 1 as hanbot worked on )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:59 diana_coman: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform I'm looking for a machine to use as experimentation-ground for all sorts of republican software (e.g. cuntoo, logbot); my rockchip fine as it is at doing its blog-hosting job, turns out to be essentially the wrong architecture for this sort of use so I need something else; what can Pizarro offer (even in medium term, it's not something burning)?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910416 << correct, afaik it's the 1 vacant amd box atm
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 11:09 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, prolly hanbot's ex-machine keks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910421 << aaactually! nao that i think about it, you may have noticed that the clay fish with boar tusks is missing. cuz i bought it and took home , lol
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 13:18 mp_en_viaje: ~nothing changed whatsoever!
asciilifeform: idjits got tiananmen'd, eh
BingoBoingo: They were in the Tank's blindspot
BingoBoingo: During a time where a bunch of confused Venezolanos thought Guiadó's orders were Maduros. Note the armed services settled out of rebellion after the deception was discovered.
asciilifeform: iguess usg accomplished ~sumthing~, lol, nao they can stink about 'spooled onto tank treads' for 30 yrs like they do over cn
BingoBoingo: I'll have to wait till the video pops up on the news again. Thought this one was a wheeled tank
asciilifeform: 'you get run over by the tank you have, not the tank you wish you had'(tm)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/brits-slam-assange-with-50-weeks-in-prison-over-skipping-bail-on-dropped-charge-while-extradition-formalities-play-out/ << Qntra -- Brits Slam Assange With 50 Weeks In Prison Over Skipping Bail On Dropped Charge While Extradition Formalities Play Out
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Guaidó called for a crowd to protest at Carlota Airbase where they were used as human shields during the assault... At least tank derps knew they were fucking with a tank
BingoBoingo: But the "Maduro is actually really popular" hypothesis continues to gather support
BingoBoingo: Anyways, rural land price data came out today if anyone is looking to homestead https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/cayo-la-venta-de-campos-y-el-valor-promedio-por-hectarea-201951123456
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is a 'bring yer own reactor an' plumbing' martian landscape , i suppose ?
BingoBoingo: Depends, sometimes there's plumbing. Frequently a reactor connection. The price trend generally offers a clue as to what the situation is in a giver department.
BingoBoingo: Colonia is where cheese comes from.
BingoBoingo: Durazno is where fruit comes from.
BingoBoingo: Artigas is where rocks come from.
BingoBoingo: And so on. These are as mircea_popescu pointed out a very organized people http://trilema.com/2014/colonia-uruguay/
asciilifeform: i'ma guess then , that '2.5 - 5k usd / hectare' is naked mars, and the 50-150 , is where habitable
asciilifeform: ( 'mars' is not even the worst case. iirc there was an ancient thread where mircea_popescu described some scan where 'land for pennies', and on examination turned out to be in the andes, where even to anchor a solar panel is nontrivial )
asciilifeform: *some scam
BingoBoingo: AHA, the chile "dolar viilante" deal
BingoBoingo: 50-150k a hectare is "urban" or "resort" sorta land. The stuff being sold to get outta farming.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the local ag folks have detailed soil quality maps etc.
asciilifeform: there's famously a pre-1917 ru 'old believers' colony in uy, i think they bought this
BingoBoingo: There's a couple going on.
asciilifeform: lately they've been moving back, putin gave'em some phree lands somewhere
asciilifeform: ( pretty interesting folx btw. 4x/diem 4hr prayer shifts, incl. in night, etc )
asciilifeform: http://ru-ar.ru/starovery << photo-reportage re subj.
asciilifeform: 19th c. organization, + cutting edge chinese tractors.
asciilifeform: i.e. not simply 'living time capsule.' i have nfi how they keep up the e.g. 'pnoje yes, tv nope' etc biz.
BingoBoingo: Well, scratching the dirt with hand tools isn't uncommon down here.
asciilifeform: rright but they aint
asciilifeform: they grow enuff even to export.
asciilifeform: imho 1 of the more interesting examples of 'well-run cult'
asciilifeform: afaik they even get by, somehow, without a 'pope'
asciilifeform: they not only breed but the n+1st gen goes 'yeah i'ma live here, and wake up at 400hrs for matins, and then drive tractor, or horse if out of petrol' and it goes.
BingoBoingo: Well, compare to the alternative. If it is farm cult versus being poor, farm cult wins.
asciilifeform: even moar interestingly, visitors all seem to agree re 'they have moonshine, but no alconauts, no one takes to drink' etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other curio in uy , there was a 'civilian' ru colony. but they did not have the cult. so result was -- assimilated, forgot lang, today ~indistinguishable from other local orcs
asciilifeform: iirc this one, is not far from montevideo
asciilifeform: but not particularly interesting to go to
BingoBoingo: Well, you did encounter old woman at the feria speaking russian
asciilifeform: that 1 i suspect modern tourist.
BingoBoingo: Possible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they have 'visa-free' treaty with ru , so surprisingly touristy.
BingoBoingo: Well, tourism is the non-ag income here. Lots of visa free arrangements that aren't necessarily reciprocal for the Uruguayo passport holders
asciilifeform: ( and iirc paraguay, also has, and ~only~ with ru )
BingoBoingo: Paraguay is hot dry and humid. Desert areas and a big river.
asciilifeform: i'd be the last to know wtf tourists do there.
BingoBoingo: Well, the Uruguayos use it as a sort of Mexico. Cheaper more lawless place to vacation.
BingoBoingo: Mostly i suspect they go to bring a brick of weed back in their rent-a-car, but... rumors and innuendo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why do they go to para- to buy it ? i thought it was entirely available in uru-
BingoBoingo: Cheaper in Paraguay. Paraguay is the continent's top producer. Uruguay legalizing doesn't kill Paraguay's farms.
BingoBoingo: The Paraguayo brick weed sets a price floor, gets distributed to much of the continent. No reason for the places that can grow coca to grow lower margin cash crop.
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp how it is that no one managed to breed a coca that grows on other continents
asciilifeform: seems like ideal open problem for aspiring agronomist
BingoBoingo: Other continents get opium, or in Africa's case Jenkem.
asciilifeform: for that matter, equator is not only in south amer, lol
asciilifeform: wai no coca elsewhere.
asciilifeform: what, medellin shot literally errybody who tried ?
asciilifeform vaguely suspects that cocaine is a 'veblen good' , and that this accounts for above puzzler
asciilifeform: ... rather like the case of sturgeon caviar. turns out, sturgeon grows a++ in captivity. but nobody's in any hurry to drive its price to the physically-available min.
asciilifeform ate considerable qty of sturgeon caviar , as a boy , cuz in su was quite available. they pissed on the cartel, with enthusiasm , and if were alive today, would piss still, and not only on this one
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo judging by hanbot's experience though with that machine, it's not exactly the best for this sort of thing? or what was the trouble? also: will there be more provision after the planned pizarro-run (when will that be)? why does this feel like pulling teeth anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am not aware of hanbot lodging a complaint re ~the iron~ ( plz point to log if missed )
asciilifeform: afaik 100% of hanbot's problem was in the experimental (cuntoo) soft
asciilifeform: hanbot plox to correct me if above is wrong.
diana_coman: I just don't fully recall what it was and I thought Pizarro had it in more clear/one place so I don't have to go digging for it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is exactly 1 idle amd box currently.
asciilifeform: it is actually the snsa spare , BingoBoingo and asciilifeform were leasing it out to hanbot at colo rate , with mp's permission.
diana_coman: so hm, for one thing it'd again require mp's permission at any rate.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Hanbot was also working off of a Cuntoo live image without any persistence. You may have better outcomes starting from an installed system software where changes you make persist.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to answer the 2nd q, the next delivery run is slated to include two additional machines of the same type.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok; can you point me please to spec of the machine as I don't fully have it in-head?
diana_coman: re run: does this mean that currently this is the de-facto "pizarro-iron amd" preferred spec ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1.9GHz x 24core (Opteron 6168) 24G ram.
diana_coman: that should be absolutely enough, I don't see any trouble with it; and disk was a separate issue irc?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed , this is the de-facto piz standard for x86 . on acct of cost , availability, and asciilifeform-approved vintage of subcomponents
asciilifeform: diana_coman: disk, correct, separate. arrange with BingoBoingo re required size of disk .
asciilifeform: there is a qty of 1tb samsungs in stock .
diana_coman: great; maybe Pizarro could be more proud of it though?
diana_coman: re de-facto standard I mean
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i think is obvious, experimental ~os~ install , over remote wire, is a tricky and potentially painful biz .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i would proclaim moar loudly that it is 'standard' , but i have no way to guarantee the continued availability of this (or other) particular iron, given as i do not manufacture it , and there is no plan to ever obtain it 'new from factory' , 'clean' amd is no longer produced.
diana_coman: myeah; I'm not a fan of remote-install anything for that matter but anyway.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> that should be absolutely enough, I don't see any trouble with it; and disk was a separate issue irc? << I have some spinning disks in my surplus pile.
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo has performed a successful beta-cuntoo installation , for own needs. you may choose to delegate the task to him.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I meant to proclaim what Pizarro did and does, not to claim that it'll be available forever or anything; but honestly, I went all-ways on the website and could-not-find-anything on this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have not. The machine I am working on that with needs some parts, hence the call for importables.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i stand corrected then
diana_coman: i.e. looked at this and that, based on it -> this; so far this will be pizarro-iron-type for as long as it can be found/nothing better is found
BingoBoingo will get to writing copy about Pizarro-type machines for asciilifeform's technical review
asciilifeform: diana_coman: one we install additional units, this machine will be listed in the catalogue next to rk. ( presently the only available unit is the one discussed earlier, and only by special arrangement as with hanbot )
diana_coman: ok, but nothing wrong with "coming soon aka after dd/mm/yy"
diana_coman: obv, as long as it actually does come, true.
diana_coman will go to dig the log + hanbot's blog and re-load re what went wrong exactly
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894496 -> trinque , did I miss this literate version or still not enough sigs or?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:36 trinque: reading the logs since I departed, seems like it'd be helpful to do another post (after a bunch of sig verifications) where I do a literate version of the script
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: diana_coman provoked me to think : until arm64 gnat is fixed ( and we dun know when this will be! cuz ave1 is MIA ! ) it does not make sense to expand the rk pilot plant . do we want instead to fill the next crate entirely with amd ? let's make a decision on this in the near term, so that we can put down a definite date re next buildout
BingoBoingo: Without a timeline for arm64 gnat, AMD64 makes a lot more sense
asciilifeform: it saddens asciilifeform to end up loading up on x86 , but unless there is sudden breakthrough , this is what must be done
BingoBoingo: Right, this is where we were at last time this popped up, leaning towards totally AMD64 run and have only moved more towards that with silence on the arm64 front
asciilifeform: the disappearance of ave1 has made the matter moar pressing
asciilifeform: right nao i cannot justify investing large bag of dough in rk
asciilifeform: granted , rk worx fine for 'traditional' soft, e.g. mp's wp ; but let's say 'tmsr dns' or other adatronic proggy becomes part of typical use, then wat.
asciilifeform: what do i then tell people, 'yes canhaz ada, but dun use thread' lol.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, BingoBoingo , asciilifeform owes 1btc + x to piz . plox to determine x , and i'ma pay it in iron , at the moment when we come to final decision re next iron set.
asciilifeform: ( x is what remains after the most recent dc refuel by asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also plox to confirm, at yer earliest, that refuel was received.
asciilifeform brb:tea.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do the calculation with the statement compilation. Will confirm the refuel's receipt this week. Today is international commie day so the whole country is sorta closed.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently i'm thinking, 2 x dulap-style, 2 x 1u w/ ea. 4 x apu1 'amd g' where cuntoo in write-protected rom . ( i have a rom booter for the latter, built on ancient 'coreboot' )
BingoBoingo: Sounds like a plan, 10 machines in a trip isn't a bad density.
BingoBoingo: Have you baked yourself a cuntoo yet?
asciilifeform: not successfully
asciilifeform: however my last shot was 2 trinque revisions ago.
asciilifeform: i would really like the thing to reach stability (of whatever sort can be achieved in near term) before i burn it to rom tho
asciilifeform: if at all possible
asciilifeform: btw interestingly, the folx who make apu* , price the apu1 higher than far moar recent box , w/faster specs, evidently we aint the only folx who like classical (i.e. pre-fritzchip ) g-series .
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone forgot -- this is series of 12v-powered amd64 boxen with published schematics, afaik the only such that's still in production )
asciilifeform: i have for several yrs nao , 2 of these going in the torture room ( the old 2GB ver. ) , w/various probes soldered in, for various purposes
asciilifeform: among other virtues, it's the only currently produced box that worx with sage device .
asciilifeform: ( above is not ~directly~ piz-pertinent, but ~does~ make it 9000x easier to develop rom payloads for the thing )
asciilifeform: i.e. 100% 'blobless' boot, like rk.
asciilifeform: interestingly, the disappearance of the 2gb rk has made the apu1 just about price-equivalent with rk . ( tho it ~does~ occupy 5x the physical space, and eat 4x the current )
asciilifeform: the 1 place where it wins ( aside from 'can use x64 gnat' ) is that it has (not 1 but 3) slots for msata.
asciilifeform brb:meat
mod6: Evenin'
mod6: Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-May/000329.html
mod6: http://104.131.72.249/log/2019-05-01#1910410 << >> http://104.131.72.249/log/2019-04-17#1908744 << I still need to get familiarized with this. I haven't had a chance yet in April. Will try to dig in over the next week.
mod6: For what it's worth, still probably way out of my element on the whole thing, but can't hurt to read up on it.
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