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pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Have you tried to refer to them with different pronouns in an effort to appease them? Maybe instead of "tron" they prefer "tractor" or "dragonbane"
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
mod6: which version of V are you using?
mod6: !!key asciilifeform
mod6: anyway, if you have alf's most updated key, the vpatch verfifies the seal for me.
mod6: If you're using V (99994) the reason that you won't see it in the flow is because it needs to be reground: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hu0ab/?raw=true
mod6: In the new version, if a vpatch doesn't have *ALL* antecedents present in the flow, it is dropped on the floor.
mod6: now why you saw the INVALID seal message im not too sure. could be you have a stale key of his, or perhaps the seal wasn't quite named correctly.
mod6: need more information to go on.
mod6: will follow up again tomorrow.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1165...6197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1332...6409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1490...4753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)
deedbot: deeds online
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << << lemme guess, you use keychains, dontcha , pete_dushenski .
a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
asciilifeform: Just Say No to keychain.
asciilifeform: ('even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig' means that you have up-to-date key ( asciilifeform removed the expir date of his mod this year ) but not an updated v-wot. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << you probably have the old (ie, expired) version of the key.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.
pete_dushenski: just updated asciilifeform key with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647637 and got same error message :(
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: upload the key, the seal, and the patch ??
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and which vtron were you using ?
pete_dushenski: the vtron version question is a good one. how do i check again ?
pete_dushenski: might just be using an old one eh
pete_dushenski: "Please Update Software Terrorist" (tm)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: is it mod6's ?
pete_dushenski: most definitely one of mod6 's
shinohai: pete_dushenski: running V with no arguments gives the version number
pete_dushenski: "Doc Version: 99995 K"
pete_dushenski: ^from user manual
shinohai: Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v`
shinohai: for it too
pete_dushenski: it's the first line in the manual too
shinohai: In this week's shit Roger Ver's handler told him to say: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080
shinohai: Run moar thinblocks
pete_dushenski: also run moar #artdao http://archive.is/Sq9db << basically a way for js engineers to put even more starving artists out of work. man, it's stiff competition at the bottom
pete_dushenski to run errands
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
Framedragger: content's unoriginal and uninteresting, as far as i can see. why plagiarism of #t in particular?
mircea_popescu: why, there's other venues discussing the problems with monero ?
Framedragger: (it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.)
Framedragger: you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff)
mircea_popescu: now i gotta click reddit to see date
Framedragger: i don't know, are you saying that ideas from #t in regards to what, ringCT vulnerabilities? - have been taken?
mircea_popescu: man. 10 days ago ?
Framedragger: that particular link is new. because it discusses this very monerolink webshit.
Framedragger: i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man.
mircea_popescu: what's political to do with anything ? first guy to describe calculus is first guy to describe calculus.
Framedragger: so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!"
Framedragger: i *guess* it's a sane default? hm.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
mircea_popescu: the original question was, that since you seemed to either imply or embrace the thesis that ~he~ so defaults, you are then at liberty to explain the observed datapoint where he does not.
asciilifeform: we discusses the ~fundamental~ problem with monero's signature scheme.
asciilifeform: that remains, quite irrespective of which particular sig algo were to be used.
mircea_popescu: this you opted to discuss in "objective" terms, which whatever, you then later decided you don't want to discuss. fine. but the question was why doesn't ~he~ so claim.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: thanks, i recall, and will try to reread later to see how particular that one was.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose i follow. hrr, ok i'll need to see what in particular was revealed/claimed in #t. besides "it's snake oil!"; i do hope that if/when aes is broken, #t doesn't go out saying "#t said all symmetric crypto is snakeoil! plagiarism!!"
mircea_popescu: lol. hey, mebbe it will, mebbe it won't.
Framedragger: (i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: deliberately playing idiot ? or is the difference between a proof (e.g. euclid's) and a conjecture (rsa) not apparent to Framedragger ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i am deliberately being snarky. please don't spend cpu cycles decoding this remark
Framedragger: (but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference)
Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think he's trying to save on reading.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj
a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 19:28 fluffypony: stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability
Framedragger: ah, ty!
Framedragger will read before barfing more
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647706 << since we're on it, re the dating, i'll attest that while this may have been first publication, it was certainly discussed privately for 6-12 months prior.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 18:55 asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: fair enough, but how are 'private discussions' in this context (plagiarism allegation) any different from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637638
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:53 mircea_popescu: this was discussed in developer meetings cca michelangelo. what of it ?
mircea_popescu: specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-09#823434 came after intel completed internal review of the thing.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm not proposing it does anything. but jus' saying for it being said.
Framedragger: yeah, good to note, k.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the thing here is that the concept, if not the particular implementation, is actually very interesting.
mircea_popescu: though as alf well points out last we had this, it may well be actually self-contradictory, this concept.
asciilifeform: i don't have a rigorous proof. ( though -- would much like to. )
asciilifeform: however i'm just about as certain that it is self-contradictory, as that, e.g., p!=np.
mircea_popescu: btw, did we do thailand ?
mircea_popescu: usg tried agent orange, thing went poorly, reached some heights of lulz ("the government is completely functional except it is meeting in a secret location" while usg.protestors were overrunning abandoned airport terminals etc cca 2012) and then military org took over in 2014 and that's that for nato-istan in thailand.
mircea_popescu: somehow very gingerly unmentioned in the list of rice-clinton successes.
mircea_popescu: (they are passive-agressively yakking of "Corruption", of course, which is a major heading in the wikitardia entry on thailand but not, say, the us, or uk, or any other actually corrupt shitholes.)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/echos-of-the-great-again-france-pits-moderate-populist-against-hard-left-socialist-in-general-election/ << Qntra - Echos Of The Great Again: France Pits Moderate Populist Against Hard Left Socialist In General Election
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: s/to due/due to/
Framedragger: very nice article btw hehe
Framedragger: i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall
mircea_popescu: portrait of the artist as a young trotsky
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mod6: <+shinohai> Now I remember u can `perl v.pl v` << yeah `./v.pl v`
mod6: !~later tell pete_dushenski Hey, let's take a look at that when you have a minute tonight. Salud!
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: In other news, my eatblock re-test is at 433K+ & into blk0042; not much more to go there...
mod6: Still doing more fg tests.
shinohai: Oh cool mod6 ... hmu when it fully syncs please.
phf: new talk from idlewords, this one's a miss. if you start reading it, and wonder if it gets better: it gets worse. http://idlewords.com/talks/build_a_better_monster.htm
mod6: shinohai: sure will do. it's just the eatblock test. once it's complete, i'll re-run all of the charts & metrics
mod6: (now that this run will also show db read wait as well)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-man-and-a-woman/ << Trilema - A man and a woman...
Framedragger: phf: will read later but i'm getting lots of "regulate, regulate, regulate!" vibe. also possibly too much mindrot from his recent escapades to save tech world from trump ('tech solidarity')
Framedragger: wonder if that's what you meant, but will see. sigh
phf: yeap, i missed the "tech solidarity" thing so i was surprised by the strong "march for science!1" angle, and yes also regulate.
phf: "Upcoming events: Portland"
ben_vulpes: perhaps some day i shall relate the saga of the stillborn "PICOC", or "Portland Independent Chamber of Commerce" or "Californians Attempting to Carve Themselves a Slice of Relevancy by Advertising Their Seriously Cutting-Edge Aid to the Poor Programs"
ben_vulpes: since rebranded as "Business for a Better Portland"
ben_vulpes: why bother to get in bed with the actual power structure when you can just proclaim yourself first biggest best and disrupt them from the outside
ben_vulpes: housing should be free!
phf: asciilifeform: you'll find this amusing, http://www.nncpgo.org. a very odd mixture of good (xdr for serialization, modeled after uucp) and bad ideas (written in go to begin with). but written by a one man cypherpunk, http://www.stargrave.org a stereotypical ru programmer, really into RMS, copyleft, and death metal. guy also wrote http://www.govpn.info and http://www.cypherpunks.ru/gogost/ (a GOST!! implementation in go). former FIDO node. what a c
phf: haracter
phf: one of those by the books 90s хакер но НЕ путайте с крекер, потому что хакер изначально blah blah blah people. i thought they all died out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda typical californy nonsense, really.
mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ?
mircea_popescu: whassthis ?
mod6: oh just me dorking around with Ada.
mod6: just getting my feet wet.
mircea_popescu: o noes, the shithead's ploy failed ?!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/items-from-my-newspaper/ << Trilema - Items from my newspaper
shinohai: It's all good now, no moar ragequit because she haz partner.
mod6: nevermind building numbers or whatever, just go north three screens through the lost woods, west one screen, north one screen, then burn the 3rd bush from the right to find the entrance.
mod6: THIS ISN'T MAIL! IT'S A QUEST!
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